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[DanTex]

1. I'd rather it be my girlfriend. But it's gonna be Hillary. Which is great.

[Pisces]

41. Perfect response!!

[Trust Buster]

2. I respectfully decline.

[JonLeibowitz]

28. I've seen your posts, no way you are Elizabeth Warren. Warren is a progressive.

[pdsimdars]

3. But Warren isn't going to be VP.. Would you mind having Tulsi Gabbard being the first?????

Just saying . . . . . .

[CajunBlazer]

6. I don't know much about her, but from the pictures I just googled...

She's better looking than Joe Biden

[JonLeibowitz]

29. LOL! Nice

[libdem4life]

16. Tulsi Gabbard...she's my choice...She's the upcoming generational

female leader, IMO.

Warren would be a great Cabinet pick...perhaps Treasury.

[Autumn Colors]

61. How do you know this?

She said that she is not running for President. Absolutely nothing was ever said about accepting VP if offered ...

I would also love to see Sanders/Warren 2016 and then Warren running in either 2020 or 2024.

Warren should be the first female President of the USA.

[auntpurl]

4. Hillary is a Progressive and a good Democrat

and I am delighted to cast my vote for her. I think she will be a wonderful president.

[djean111]

7. Unless they have changed the definitions, she is neither. IMO and all that. nt

[auntpurl]

8. Have you taken that "I side with" internet quiz that's floating around DU?

So many Bernie supporters on the thread posted their full results, and so many had Bernie and Hillary within 1-5% points of each other. Hillary was a liberal senator and has been fighting for liberal social issues all her political career. There's no denying she's a progressive. If you just don't like her, well that's a matter of character. But it doesn't mean she's not a progressive.

[djean111]

19. A Progressive in favor of war, fracking, the TPP, private prisons, cluster bombs......just to name

a few things. That is most certainly not Progressive.

If you just don't like her, well that's a matter of character.

If you mean MY character, that's an odd thing to say. Anyway, I don't need to have an opinion of her as a person - I just look at issues and records and deeds, and Bernie must be my choice.

[auntpurl]

26. No, I meant her character, not yours.

Hillary is not in favour of war. She supports a strong foreign policy - as do I. Able to be a diplomat when needed, but not afraid to stand up for what's right. I admire her for that.

Fracking is a complicated issue and Obama has the same problems Hillary did explaining it. Bernie went for the sound bite: "I don't support fracking", but Hillary tried to explain herself in a more thorough way. Fracking produces natural gas, which burns cleaner than coal, and reduces our dependence on foreign fuel sources. I'm not thrilled with it - I know about the environmental issues - but gas is dirt cheap in the US right now and that's part of the reason why. Until Hillary can get her clean energy program up and running, it's a viable alternative. As I say, I wish it wasn't necessary, but it's a stop-gap solution and I absolutely believe she will do everything in her power to make it as environmentally non-impactful as possible.

I am in favour of the TPP, as is President Obama.

Private prisons - this is not an issue that concerns me, and most of it seems unsubstantiated anyway.

Cluster bombs - as far as I know, Hillary is neither the commander in chief (yet) nor a senior member of the military. I highly doubt she's unilaterally decided to drop cluster bombs.

As I said above, she is an ideal candidate for me, she aligns with me on many many issues, and I am delighted to vote for her.

[libdem4life]

18. Progressives don't run around supporting Regime Change and planning more.

Progressive and Hawk are not synonyms.

[auntpurl]

20. I believe in a strong foreign policy

I'm glad Hillary will be diplomatic when needed but not afraid to stand up for what's right. I agree with her completely, for example, that we need to take a stronger approach with IS. Of course, I live in Europe so I see the migrant crisis every day. I see first hand what they are doing.

None of that is antonymous with being a progressive, in my opinion.

[RiverLover]

27. She's one of the most dangerous persons in DC on foreign affairs.

Scary bad.

[auntpurl]

32. I disagree, as does President Obama

since he made her his Secretary of State. She is highly intelligent and has a strong grasp of the situation all over the world.

I look forward to watching her as President continue and expand our good relationships with our allies (she is well-respected globally) and form good coalitions when action needs to be taken.

[UglyGreed]

51. For someone that is highly

intelligent why did she boast about someone's death, not recall what happened when she landed in Bosnia, made a big mess by using a private server and believes people can not check her claims on the internet????

[libdem4life]

30. The Arabs need to take care of ISIS. Not my son. Europe's issues

are valid, but different. Europe needs to learn to act together, as well.

And I do understand the "we broke it and we should fix it" but all we know to do is keep breaking it. HRC has already stated her Hawkish plans. It can only get worse.

It is time for the US to step down as Global Policemen and/or Protectors. The migrant crisis did not exist before Iraq and Afghanistan. And now, Syria. We must look to the root causes and deal with them like a cancer, before we, at best, just put a bandaid on the sore.

[auntpurl]

38. How is Syria supposed to deal with IS?

They are fighting a 3-way civil war and random citizens are getting beheaded on a daily basis. People are WALKING ACROSS EUROPE with their infant children because it is fatal to stay in Syria.

IS wants to kill EVERYONE who is not them, including other Muslims, and are happy to die themselves. You cannot have diplomacy with this group. They just blew up half of Brussels!

I am RARELY in favour of military intervention if it can be avoided, but for real, IS needs to be completely destroyed. Their presence anywhere is incompatible with life. The Syrians cannot deal with this on their own. Are we to stand by and let genocide happen?

[bravenak]

45. This makes alot of sense

[auntpurl]

49. I don't think most people understand the IS situation very well

I found this article really helpful; maybe the previous poster I replied to can read it:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

[bravenak]

58. I hope they do

I cannot stand isis. They Want us all to submit to their nasty degredation and crazy laws. Fuck that. Cannot leave people under the rule of genocidal maniacs.

[libdem4life]

54. I'm talking about the Arab World. They build gleaming palaces and cities

of gold in the sand and drive fleets of Mercedes Benzes. In our quest for world domination and likely to try out all of our new and fancy MIC, we're GI Joe on the spot at your service. NOT MY SON OR GRANDSON. I'm from the Anti-war 60s and NOTHING changes.

You moved from immigrant crisis to ISIS...but they are one in the same and breeding each other. More bombing...which is all the US is willing or able to do...doesn't help that. See recent history for examples.

We went into Iraq for the same damn reason...these demons were pulling cords out of incubators...that cinched it. And Afghanistan even after the Russians had given up. It's not our battle.

It is the Arab's turn to prevent genocide of their own people and continent.

Oh, and we have neutered the United Nations, which was created for just these situations. Oh, don't bother, we'll take care of it.

[Fairgo]

57. So you are pro war, in the end.

Every war is righteous on the tongues of demagogues. Every slaughter is packaged as policy. But every war begets the next, and so this is no policy...this is business.

[pangaia]

82. You should write her speeches.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

69. A great many who allege to be liberals say they cannot and wont vote for her.

Sounds more like spoiled brats who didnt get their way.

[FarPoint]

5. Well...Elizabeth is Not Running...

Hillary is running.... Elizabeth can be second.

[Agschmid]

9. She's my senator... and she isn't running.

[sheshe2]

33. Mine too!

Nope, she has stated that she is not. NO means NO!

[KitSileya]

48. Yes. Respect a woman's no.

It says no good thing about you if you don't.

[sheshe2]

50. Love you Kit!

Thank you Thank you Thank You!



Respect~

[KitSileya]

63. Elizabeth Warren was very emphatic in her refusal.

It is not a good signal to send to badger her in order to try to change her mind. This isn't an issue or policy, this is her choice of what she wants to do. I have said before, and will say again, though I was derided for it, that the whole campaign to draft Warren last year was a prime example of rape culture. A woman's no isn't considered definite - men think they can press for a yes by guilting, nagging, blackmail, and threats. They can keep saying that 'we know that no means no, we don't need no rape education' and then refuse to let Elizabeth Warren say no to running for the presidency.

[sheshe2]

73. She is my Senatior.

I voted for her. I met her.

I was never able to enjoy her here. She was used and defiantly abused here.

Do I agree with all she says? Hell no.

Yet you do not harass, badger or DEMAND that she run. She said no. She kept saying No No No. Yet no is no longer acceptable. That hurts me. Women are allowed a voice. She said no. She said NO!

[bravenak]

10. Too damn bad

[runaway hero]

14. ouch

really?

[bravenak]

23. I want in one hand and I shit in the other

My wants mean jack shit in this world. I can want want want, but that makes not one damn bit of difference.
I get what I get and learn to deal.

[runaway hero]

77. Kind of unfair.

Everyone deserves to win I feel. I understand how someone might support Warren while I am concerned about her Republican past.

[bravenak]

81. Life does not care

It does not give participation awards for showing up. I am more concerned that folks keep bringing her up when she said NO.

[seabeyond]

11. Don't know enough about Warren. I thought I wanted Sanders until I researched and listened to him.

I prefer Clinton to be first woman. I think she is hands down, perfect for the job.

[msanthrope]

12. Hillary in the WH, Warren in the Senate, Pelosi in the House.

I'm good with that.

[bettyellen]

13. Why would you trust someone who was a Republican during the Reagan years?

Especially since it is a mortal sin to say anything nice about wither of them- but to support eight years of their shit? No.
She needs to explain.

[RiverLover]

25. Why would you trust someone who's been a republican her whole life

D
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And then, with her powerfully charismatic and equally deceptive husband, has led the party into becoming a mere corporate shell shadowing the GOP.

???

What would FDR think?



Maybe close to Elizabeth Warren as she is genuinely, today,

[bettyellen]

31. Sorry, her voting record is unlike ANY republicans, and closer to Sanders' than anyone. Try that

crap out elsewhere. It is not based on facts.

[libdem4life]

37. I now call myself an FDR Democrat. Warren has been ignored.

Apparently, we will reap the results...and with a likely candidate who will be forced to battle investigations on a number of matters from Day 1. That does not make a powerful leader here or abroad.

Electing HRC is a disastrous mistake, if it happens. It could easily end up being a Lame Duck Presidency. Over half of the country does not trust her and I don't see that reversing trend.

[RiverLover]

47. I don't see any hope of change to bring back true Democracy for YEARS if she is elected.

Reaping what we sow. More entrenched corporate control of DC & the Dems all down ticket more dependent than ever on corporate dollars.

Disastrous, you called it.

I consider myself a proud FDR Dem as well. You & I are represented by Warren & Sanders in DC. And Feingold if he is elected again...

That's pretty much it in the senate. How sad is that?

[libdem4life]

65. Well, it is sad, but I am forever optimistic that many are holding back,

as politicians are want to do, to see which way the wind blows. I think the way back has been sown, but sometimes things have to get a lot worse to get better.

In the meantime, people like Bernie and us will hold our space and as the inevitable comes, be ready. Every issue has a cycle...and I believe (hope?) this one has reached its zenith.

I have high hopes for Tulsi Gabbard as she is very well-spoken, a vet, god help me, a woman, and up and coming. There are many down-ticket, as well, who have been energized. Time will tell, but if Bernie does not win, he'll still be active and a leader to help train other leaders. A number have spoken out for him. That's a real leader.

The Presidency has never been just a prize for him. He kind of backed into it, in a sense. His unflagging consistency and leadership will continue.

[RiverLover]

72. So well said. Thanks for the optimistic breakdown. Its appreciated. /nt

[libdem4life]

76. ....

[bettyellen]

59. Warren is inexperienced and a Dem come lately. Cannot trust a Reagan supporter unless they can

explain that shit, and so far, she has chosen no to.

[libdem4life]

68. I was never terribly fond of her, but then Hillary was a Goldwater

supporter and I have not criticized her for that. Heck, I was a Nixon Girl and graduated from his alma mater. (lord help)

We all change and evolve. It just seems HRC does it more often and is more politically expedient as she has consistently moved strongly into the Corporate Political Representative realm.
.
ETA: My first vote was for McGovern at age 21

[bettyellen]

70. I think teenage decisions are moot, an adult supporting Republicans scares me. I think Hillary

evolved along with her constituency and attitudes have changed over the last 20 years. She is more of a lefty than most of the country is. I like Bernie a lot more than Warren, because I just don't get how a person could support Reagan. Had the sam problem with a few vocal people here. Do not trust any politician really, but Warren more than Sanders or Clinton.

[libdem4life]

78. I pretty much agree. I lived in California when Reagan ascended. Ugh.

Also Arnold Schwartzenegger. Remember him? Another ugh. We do know how to pick 'em, no?

[sheshe2]

36. Boom! nt

[bettyellen]

56. Just last week having any sympathy or kind words for even his wife was horrid- but supporting their

politics for eight long years- no problemo. Such bullshit.

[StevieM]

64. I'm a Hillary supporter but I like Warren a lot too.

I don't know her exact voting history. She has said that she was with the Republicans for awhile. But it also sounds like she was usually an independent. She made it clear that she had supported candidates from both parties.

Reagan himself was a Democrat who campaigned for Harry Truman and senate candidate Hubert Humphrey in 1948. The he took a turn to the dark side. I'm just glad that Elizabeth Warren has morphed into a fabulous liberal Democrat who fights for the things we believe in.

[runaway hero]

15. interesting

why? what makes her more appealing then hillary?

[Autumn Colors]

74. Lack of corruption

and that she has a proven record of fighting for the other 99% of the population instead of protecting the uber-wealthy 1% and corporations.

[runaway hero]

79. she was

a republican in the past.

[jcgoldie]

17. great but

Elizabeth Warren is not running for president.

[Starry Messenger]

21. It's easy to support someone who isn't running.

[Tarc]

22. Yes, it's been ages since we last elected a liberal...

[Lorien]

40. What made Obama a liberal?

cite policy positions and actions taken, please. (Reminder: the ACA was first put forth by the Heritage Foundation and crafted by Insurance corporations).

Go.

[Tarc]

46. Lol, this is the Democratic Underground, not the Free Republic

If you need "proof" of President Obama's liberalness, then I think you pulled a Bugs Bunny somewhere along the line....

[Gwhittey]

62. Drone Strikes?

Or killing US citizen without a trial?
Are they not liberal enough.

[StevieM]

71. How can you give the Heritage Foundation credit for the ACA?

The Republicans have us on a long march further and further to the right. They ultimately want no government programs and a flat tax with virtually no taxes for the wealthy.

Any proposals like the ACA that they make along the way is simply tactical maneuvering on their part.

Barack Obama also gave us two great Supreme Court Justices, including Sonia Sotomayer, who IMO is the best appointment to the Supreme Court in the last 60 years, since William Brennan was placed on the court.

[merrily]

55. New Democrats are not liberals and the best of them don't pretend to be.

[Tarc]

66. Yes, because non-party members get to decide who is and who is not a particular ideology

That's quite a chucklefest, Team Sanders.

[merrily]

67. Um, no. First, I am a party member. Second, Obama spoke for himself.

[leftofcool]

24. Nope!

[merrily]

34. Yeah, too bad there wasn't a huge Draft Warren movement circa 2014-15.

[Lorien]

35. Me too. Our first woman President shouldn't be widely loathed, under investigation

owned by the establishment, beholden to Goldman-Sachs, desperate for a war with Iran, a champion of fracking, and a complete disaster in office because of poor judgement and deep distrust from most who come in contact with her. I want a SUCCESSFUL and HONORABLE first woman President, not any old pair of X chromosomes.

[libdem4life]

44. Wow. Tell us what you really think! Pretty accurate run down, I'd say.

Of course, there will be a spate of snappy one-liners within 3, 2, 1...

Inconvenient facts are still facts, nonetheless...even in denial.

"...not any old pair of X chromosomes." Well put.

[Yavin4]

39. What you want and what's really going to happen

are two different things.

[CalvinballPro]

42. It's nice how your first woman President just has to wait for one more old white man's turn. nt

[bravenak]

60. Not at all surprised

[beachbumbob]

43. American will not elect a CO/proclaimed paficist to the whitehouse

Not now....not ever...especially after RW media tears sanders to pieces. No soccer mom will vote for him...

[colsohlibgal]

52. Me As Well

Or Zephyr Teachout because Elizabeth does not want to run.

The Hillary crowd needs to read the new book by Thomas Frank. "Listen, Liberal!". In his research he found exactly when the democrats decided to cater to the democratic elite, the hyper educated upper crust 10 %, not blue collar people and the poor. Oh they still give lip service to it but not much more than that.

Anyway that led to doing away with Glass- Steagall, trade deals like NAFTA where they can ship your job to someone in the Carribean who will do it for much less....they get richer and the shell with you. FDR is still spinning in his grave.

[revbones]

53. Hear-hear!!!!! nt

[StevieM]

75. I love Elizabeth Warren and I hope that someday she will become our president.

But she decided not to run. Maybe she will feel differently at some point down the line.

In the meantime we have to win this election. We have a chance to flip the Supreme Court and then to secure it for the next 20 years. The results if we don't will be an utter disaster.

I don't just want to nominate Hillary because she is a woman. I want to elect Hillary Clinton. I have always liked her.

And I agree that there is no reason why Warren couldn't run in 2024. She'll be 75, but 75 is the new 65, at most. She'll be good to go!!

[loyalsister]

80. Only if you want to eliminate one of our best voices from the senate

DUMB idea! She can do way more where she is than as VP or even president.

[procon]

83. She has a very narrow agenda and has only held elected office for 4 years.

Add in a lack of foreign policy chops and those are some substantial shortcomings in any prospective presidential candidate's CV. Being a liberal is no more of a qualifier than her gender, and probably just as insulting to her as your declaration that it applies to Clinton voters. As if women are only viewed in regard to their genitalia... still. That's an irredeemably sexist attitude to hold in this day and age.