Show me the large group of working millennials looking to pay much higher taxes for

[hill2016]

universal health care and free college for college students.

Where are they?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

1. why the new thread?

The beat down in your Cato post wasn't enough?

[hobbit709]

4. they got the Camp Bansalot memo, so it must be repeated ad infinitum.

[neverforget]

5. The beatings will continue until morale improves

[whatchamacallit]

2. Amazing the conservative crap one can post on DU if one is sporting a Clinton avatar

[RedCappedBandit]

3. Show me the large group of conservative democrats

who want millennials to pay for bombs dropped on poor people for the rest of their lives.

There's one!

[angstlessk]

14. In fact...more money for wars and prisons

than all the social safety nets put together...even adding Bernies to the mele!

[beam me up scottie]

27. Nice!

[arcane1]

6. Allen West, is that you?

[guillaumeb]

7. Show me a thread not filled with this type of simplistic logic.

[HooptieWagon]

8. Unless they make over 250,000 they'll see a net savings.

Pay a few hundred more a year in taxes, and save several thousand in premiums, copays, and deductibles. Millenials can do the math, it's the Manhatten dwelling yuppies whining about how to pay the maid, nanny, and expensive lifestyle who refuse to pay their fair share.
And the college comes out of Stock transaxctions. Very few millenials own stock.

[calguy]

18. Why can Millenials "do the math"

but they can't "do the vote"?
Sorry, but posting on Facebook 24/7 is not the same as getting your young ass to the polls and VOTE for what you think you believe in.

[LisaM]

58. By the projecctions I've seen, I'll end up paying a few thousand more a year

The only way I'll see a net benefit is if my employer takes money they were previously paying for my health benefits and dumps it directly into my pocket. My employer is pretty good, but can we trust all companies to do this?

[cheapdate]

9. Comments on Reddit

seem to indicates that a lot of people have both an understanding of the economics of health care as well as an appreciation of the moral imperative to care for their fellow citizens.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1lhcc6/would_you_pay_more_in_taxes_if_we_got_things_like/

Then there's this:

"Poll: Majority Would Pay Higher Taxes For Universal Health Care"
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-majority-would-pay-higher-taxes-for-universal-health-care/

Also, an impromptu survey of my 17 year-old and 21 year-old kids indicates, yes, they would, they understand the situation and would rather live in a society where sick people are cared for regardless of how much money they have.

[Karma13612]

22. Bet you are proud of your kids. They sound like well

Informed and engaged citizens!!

[cheapdate]

28. Thank you! I am very proud!

My daughter was 15 and went on a junior ambassador tour to Europe. At one point, one of the adult chaperones was instructing the kids on dealing with the "Gypsies" in Paris. She informed him that "Gypsy" was a slur and the correct term was Roma.

[cosmicone]

10. Free stuff is not free if one has to pay for it!! n/t

[angstlessk]

12. And college is not free (guess who pays for it) and healthcare is not free (guess who pays for it)

Another of taxes of $50 pays for 4 years of college and health care...hell here's another $50...take it!

[ladjf]

32. If our unbridled Capitalism doesn't get under control soon, we are going to find out

the serious meaning of "free stuff is not free" but on a massive global scale.
I'm referring the abusive practices by corporations that disregard dire warnings by scientists about
natural resources, environmental degradation of air, water and other minerals and the real killer
global warming which is going to flood most coastal cities within 100 years, cause desertification
around the World, desperately low water supple, and the beat goes on. Within 159 yrs. the planet will almost be uninhabitable. Why, because in the process of given in to unchecked Capitalism, damage was done to Nature in the process of obtaining there products for market.

For example, when a Japanese whaling ship reports that they have already killed (or as the reported, "captured" as though they might be put in a zoo or something) over 300 whales. All the Japenense paid
for was the ship, the crew and some processing. But, nature paid the lives of 300+ whales that might have averaged 30 yrs of life each, meaning that they been fed hundreds of lbs of food daily for 30 years times 300. That cost would be millions of dollars worth of food that Nature paid for. The Japanese
actually stole the animals for the ocean,claiming it was research which everyone knows that's lie.

When an oil company decides to drill an oil well, the company pays all of the regular expense of exploration, drilling, refining and marketing put some royalties for rights to drill But the real expense
is the millions of years it took Nature to produce petroleum in the first place. The prices paid by
Nature are so huge that they are impossible to calculate. But, when those pools of oil are gone,
it's all over for oil. Plus the horrible amount of lethal pollution that cost billions to clean up
not to mention animal and plant disease and poor health just so oil companies can be among the richest money makers in history. They don't make oil. The steal it from Earth.

This list goes on and on. Yes, nothing is free, not even for the rich corporations who are plundering
the Earth of it's riches and keeping the proceed for their owners and executives. Everyone else gets
screwed.

[cosmicone]

37. Most of the corporations

have no abusive practices.

Some do and most of them get punished.

Also, in today's economy, most of the 99% are vested in corporations via their 401K, 403B or IRAs. You kill the corporations or corporate profits and everyone goes down -- except people who have no investments and are simply in it for free stuff.

[ljm2002]

42. As far as people being "vested in corporations"...

...I remember when 401Ks were the New New Thing. From where I sit now, it seems like that was the first wave of trying to privatize everything including our futures. And they knew they would be able to make exactly this argument later -- "Well you yourself are invested in the market, so you better listen up and support anything that supports 'the market' (as defined by us)".

It's a calculated effort to convince the Little People that they, too, have the proverbial "skin in the game". It's a way to stop people from thinking critically and just get in line.

Only it isn't working as well anymore, since so many people are being so screwn by the system that they are starting to speak up even if it appears to be against their own interests. They are starting to see that the gains they realize in their 401Ks aren't enough to make up for the massive inequality that continues apace, for the lack of basic services that all other modern developed countries to their citizens, for the militarized police and for the overall coarse, divisive and mean culture we are currently living in.

[angstlessk]

11. Hell, 50 dollars in higher taxes saves them thousands of dollars!

heck yeah....tax me more!

[Thinkingabout]

24. $50, where did this number pop up?

[angstlessk]

46. Well, how much more can the lower classes pay?

Admittedly out of my own head, or you can say I pulled it out of my...

[Thinkingabout]

48. As much as these agenda items are going to cost it will be more than $50,

If it was only going to be a trillion dollars we could have this amount by never starting the F-35 program.

[angstlessk]

49. Heck, cut the Pentagon, Homeland Security and Black OPS budget

10% and bet we could pay for it ALL!

[Thinkingabout]

54. There is other sources of funds which are available. The F-35 program is costing

Well over the first plans, now it is over a trillion and it is unable to perform as thought. How many more trillion before it I abandoned.

[angstlessk]

57. Those defense companies are smart

they spread their factories into many states, so that the congresspeople don't want to cut a single dime from their funding regardless of their performance!

[floriduck]

59. Why not eliminate all defense aircraft?

Then we won't be as willing to cause regime changes like Iraq and Libya. Your candidate wanted both. Vermont can survive without building them so let's drop all of them. You game?

[Lochloosa]

13. I'll jump in. They are voting for Bernie.

[sadoldgirl]

15. Is this silliness now the meme for the

rest of the week?

Ask the French, Canadians, or people who live in
a social democracy whether they would like to
change to our system.
Answer would be:Hell no!

[amborin]

16. totally false allegations in your OP

[bkkyosemite]

17. This OP is definitely not been listening to what Bernie has said about taxes or

they would not have made the mistake of posting this OP! Must have only been listening to the lies Hillary spouts at debates and rallies.

[TCJ70]

19. I'm not a large group, but...

...I am a millennial. I would gladly pay for both of those things over what I pay for my family now and for education for my kid down the line.

[slipslidingaway]

20. LIS nt

[Karma13612]

21. Hill2016, can we stick to the facts? Please?

[Avalux]

23. What are you - a Republican? No new taxes!!!

You either don't pay attention or you're willfully misrepresenting Bernie's platform.

[Luciferous]

25. Well I'm only one person, but I'm willing to pay higher taxes because the benefits are worth it.

[upaloopa]

26. The question is this, if we can get the desired result without rasing taxes wouldn't that be more

popular?

Building on the ACA will not raise taxes. Having tuition assistance be means tested will not raise taxes.


It just makes no sense to throw out everything we have to institute a democratic socialist society where everyone pays more taxes for not much more benefit. Let's improve on what we have not start over with everything.

[SheenaR]

30. See below

You are not counting on the fact that we already pay far more than we would in that system. You focus on the taxes. Take everything listed and not listed below and just pretend it is a tax. Because we are paying it already.

[upaloopa]

31. You look at it as if this were a homogeneous society.

We don't all have those expenses. We don't all have the ability to pay more taxes. We don't all have problems getting services.

What you are talking about is a society were we all pay into a pot and everyone's costs are met from the pot. That will not fly with the vast majority of the population.

The thing that is really weird is that you rail against the very people you expect to pay for most of it.

[SheenaR]

39. We don't all have those particular expenses

No matter what expenses one does have, it still is greater than what is being proposed or what the European model offers.

I don't have the ability to pay more taxes at face value. I certainly do if I subtract all of the other costs I have that most countries offer as a right.

I'm railing against anyone who thinks that moving our country to join the rest of the developed world is a bad idea.

[SheenaR]

29. Let's see

Pay more taxes for health care and college

Or

Current system of taxes plus

-daycare/childcare
-copays and deductibles
-prescriptions
-tuition
-loan repayments
-housing for the elderly
- the list is endless

We already pay FAR more than we ever would in a socialist system. But people like the Author who has made a living trolling here would rather play dumb to this fact.

Or perhaps it's not playing.

[JonLeibowitz]

33. Right here.

Or did you forget my post on your previous thread?

17. Bullshit. I am a millenial 17-29 yr old with a job and $0 college debt (nor ever had debt)

I support his platform because it is the right platform for our time. It will very likely impact me negatively via increased income taxes, increased investment expenses etc. But taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.

Any other questions?

By the way are you aware that the Cato institute and the author are RWers?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1569042

[Silver_Witch]

34. Your Greed Skirt is Showing

As I thought the greedy and hateful don't want to pay taxes. Don't want our children to have an education that will help them tomorrow. Keep it all for yourself and when you don't have fresh air or water for free because corporations own the country I will not grieve for you.

[basselope]

35. Voting for Bernie Sanders.

[Juicy_Bellows]

36. And I'll show a young man with so many reasons why there but for fortune, go you or I.

[sadoldgirl]

38. Now, are you content with all the

attention you craved for?

Or will you start up tomorrow with the same
idiotic meme?

Sleep well, and forget about it.
Plant some lilies or something instead of
worrying about democratic socialism, which
is outside of your scope.

[Armstead]

40. I never put people on ignore...but I might make an exception

[Kittycat]

41. Millenials can practically google in their sleep

Why all the insulting digs at Millenials lately? Attacking and diminishing new voters, instead of welcoming and encouraging them in to the party? What is wrong with democrats these days? No wonder so many are refusing to identify with the party label these days.

Here is Bernie's plan, but I'm sure you've already seen this. We already know Millenials have.

[Blue_In_AK]

43. I just came from a town hall with Jane Sanders

and there was a whole roomful of Millennials happy to do just that. Why do you think so little of that age group?

[ljm2002]

44. Very cute framing...

...implying that if only those millennials had jobs, they'd be voting for Hillary rather than supporting Bernie.

Of course it does not account for the fact that most millennials do have jobs -- although in many cases, they don't pay enough to cover their huge college tuition debt, that is if they were lucky enough to be able to go to college in the first place.

It's just another form of hippie-punching.

And of course, your post also implies that universal health care and free college tuition are things that "we" should not have to pay taxes for. Which is a very illiberal position. As others have noted, universal single payer health care would indeed raise taxes on individuals but it would eliminate their private health insurance premiums by more than their taxes would be raised, so I fail to see why any thinking person -- working or not, millennial or not -- would be against that? And in the case of tuition free public colleges and universities, the costs are paid by a tax on Wall Street transactions. Neither you nor I will notice any effects from that tax. The big Wall Street firms will, though, and that is why they are fighting the idea tooth and nail.

[ThePhilosopher04]

45. What are you worried about then? Let it be if you don't think there's anything to worry about.

[TheSarcastinator]

47. this tactic is guaranteed to work!

You sure know how to build the youth vote!

[cherokeeprogressive]

50. Looks like someone dropped a turd and ran.

[coyote]

51. This argument again

[Jackie Wilson Said]

52. Much higher? Nah, wouldn't be much higher at all and at the end of it you save, not lose.

[Cobalt Violet]

53. Unless they're making +500,000 they won't be paying more.

Probably why you can't find any.

[Loki]

55. I don't see many hands, do you?

LOL, just another insignificant factoid they just don't have to think about......now.

[Betty Karlson]

56. More millennial-bashing. disgusting.

[Chan790]

60. They have nothing else.

When everything looks like a nail...and you ain't got a hammer, you got to use whatever rock you can find.