The bridge between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders (Groups)....

[pantsonfire]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by one_voice (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

There's obviously a lot of contention between the two groups. Is there anyway to get DU members of these two groups to interact more constructively? From my understanding the Hillary Clinton group has banned close to twice as many members as it has, while the Bernie Sanders group has banned about a third of its membership (HC - 300+ members, BS - 900+ members).

Do members of the Hillary Clinton/Bernie Sanders groups feel like the DU members who joined and were banned, overwhelmingly attacked their candidate to the point of superficiality or credibility?

Will the bridge between the two stay unhinged? Will the ad hominem blame game continue until the end of the primaries?


Disclosure:
To be fully honest, I was apart of both groups, and banned from the Hillary Clinton group for insulting its members. I was responding to an OP calling the AZ primary a "voter fraud cry...whenever BS loses a primary". In my instance, my "insults" may have warranted a ban, I respect the integrity of their moderators to make that decision.

[angstlessk]

1. Hopefully the bridge will be at the convention

but not before. I do not hate hillary, I am a 60 something white female, BUT I have grandchildren...

Therefore I vote for Bernie!

[guillaumeb]

2. Recommended and Welcome to DU.

I think that the bridge will be the election, and the justifiable fear of a Trump or Cruz Presidency.

I understand the bans because the groups are safe havens, but my hope is that the rhetoric will ease up and cease after the convention. We have more in common than many will admit at this time.

[RobertEarl]

3. Hillary camp will be assimilated

They best start being nice.

[upaloopa]

4. Why should we not have a place where we can post about our candidate

without allowing attacks from the other side?

We are not discussing issues here we are playing internet gotcha games.

We are not going to come together until the TOS are enforced.

[revbones]

18. Which part of the TOS are not being enforced?

I've seen a LOT of alerts on posts that don't violate the TOS but the alerter claimed they did.

[Tarc]

5. I don't even recall exactly why I was tossed from the Sanders group

It was back at the time when group threads were allowed to be upvoted to the main DU page, and I clicked from there not realizing it wasn't n the "normal" section.

The ban # imbalance is simply due to to there being more Sander supporters o the DU overall.

[peace13]

16. Your comment is interesting considering that Hillary has been endorsed by the owner here!

I feel your pain on getting booted from Bernie's. You are probably better off where you are!

[Land of Enchantment]

6. I was banned on my third post because I was new and did not

know the unwritten 'rules' about 'groups'. All I said was she would swing so fast back to the right if she wins the nomination that it would make heads spin. I know because I have seen it with ALL our nominees since 1972 and I am too familiar with her record and varying positions on basically every topic... Apparently, she has started doing this earlier than advisable for her in terms of AIPAC, abortion rights and foreign policy. BUT, I have had to put over 100 on igonre because it seems there are many who just want to beat me up like my Big Sister did during childhood and in our 60's now still tries.

[Maedhros]

7. It is a mistake to assume the divide between Clinton and Sanders supporters

to be simply a difference in preference for one personality over another.

The divide is serious, and real, and will not go away. Nor should it. It's based upon very divergent, fundamental beliefs about how the Party should move forward.

[revbones]

9. I agree

Until I started posting on DU, I never met someone that was so supportive of the establishment. Or someone that was so enthralled to party loyalty that they ignored facts and reason. Or someone that thought a "D" behind a name implied enough honor to overlook the person's dishonorable acts.

[revbones]

8. There won't be a bridge - there are too many alerts/bans to forgive and

no way to see any apologies because of the ignores and trashed groups.

There won't be any bridge not just because it was burned, but because any chance of a bridge was made invisible.

[Jenny_92808]

12. Well said!

#383 banned from the hillary group for nothing.

[DanTex]

10. LOL. This OP is surely going to help bridge the gap.

[bkkyosemite]

11. I don't think it a bridge but more of a Grand Canyon

[mehneh]

13. Here is a new posters take on this.

It's all about the language. How we talk down to each other and or assume. We place value on issues and place ideals on these candidate. At this point it's as big a separation as the fragmented republican party back during 2008 and 2012.

No way can we bridge the gap.

Trollish Moderates for Hillary will continue the attack the Bernie people.

And the (SJW) Bernie people will ignore and sabotage the Hill campaign. It may ruin the DNC....then trump will win (or w.e republican nominee).

So this is just how it will go unless there is severe compromise-

[peace13]

14. I was never a member of either group until one day I was in the Hill group and didn't know it...

My response was fair and true yet in the blink of an eye I had the fist block of my ten years at DU. A week later two blocks in one day. The only place that feels safe to discuss anything is in Bernie's group. It is people that cause the trouble and until they leave nothing will change.

[Hydra]

15. The gap can't be bridged

Because it's a fundamental Left vs Right gap.

One candidate and their supporters are pro-money. The other is pro-people.

I've been pro-people my whole life, no matter where I was on the political spectrum. I'm not going to change that because someone says I need to.

[HereSince1628]

17. One of the few and narrow bridges I see between the two campaigns is that both candidates

associate mental illness with the problem of gun violence in the US and consider treatment the only needs of the people with mental disorders.

In that sense, both campaigns are similar because they share near identical misunderstanding.

Coming together to overcome that misunderstanding might be a way to work together with neither side claiming moral authority.

[one_voice]

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