Arizona: Hillary Clinton’s Election Fraud Masterpiece

[mercuryblues]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by azurnoir (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

This was posted in the Bernie Sanders Group. A jury let it stand, because you know, it could be discussed and proven untrue. But, If anyone tried to discuss this, they were blocked. So this is the only way to be able to refute it.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/arizona-hillary-clintons-election-fraud-masterpiece/ri13524

She stole Iowa, Nevada and Massachusetts – but Arizona is Hillary Clinton’s election fraud masterpiece.

Desperate to prevent another “Michigan upset”, Hillary found an ingenious way to guarantee victory in Arizona.

The key to Clinton’s strategy in Arizona was early voting. In Arizona, around 70% of voters cast their ballot by mail. Why is this important? Because


of the 297,714 voters who have already cast their ballots—174,706 were female, 59 percent of the total early Democratic vote. The breakdown of early Democratic voters by gender and age is shown below. The early vote by women is dominated by older age groups. Voters under 30 account for only 7 percent of Democratic early voters compared to 41 percent for the over 65 crowd. The large number of women, particularly older women, who have already cast Democratic ballots, is a good sign for Hillary Clinton.

Hillary was the predicted winner in Arizona. In most polls she has a 20 to 40% lead. She ended up winning 57.6% to 39.9%, yet she "stole" it? How moronic is that? What kind of mental gymnastics have to be done to reach that conclusion?

Clinton also apparently convinced the republican controlled elections committee to rig the elections for her, with a suitcase full of money, according to conjecture.

OR we could go with a semblance of logic. The Clinton campaign saw what the republicans were trying to pull off with the decrease in polling places and urged their voters to vote absentee and mail it in.

Sanders campaign thought it would all work out or did not pay attention to details. Only complaining after it blew up in their faces.

[hellofromreddit]

1. There is no proof that Hillary caused the problem

There is also no proof that she predicted it and planned around the problem. Hillary simply does much better among absentee ballot casters.

Everyone is distorting the event to their own ends.

[mercuryblues]

9. the reduction

in the polling places had to be known before hand. The list is published before election day. A well run campaign would look at it and realize that there are far fewer places than the year before.Countering it by encouraging absentee voting. Her campaign does this anyhow, which is why she does better with AV.

[hellofromreddit]

19. You are guessing

It is certainly a reasonable guess, but the guess is unproven.

You are shaping the facts to fit your preferred narrative.

[mercuryblues]

25. syou are saying

campaigns don't know how many and where polling places are prior to the election?

To me that seems like campaigning 101

[LeFleur1]

13. Of Course There Is Distortion

It's hard to admit the person you support for President probably won't win because they have a weak message full of statements and few, if any plans that seem workable. So making up stuff to salve sad feelings is what some people do to save face. Hillary won many states and she will most likely win more.
This is the kind of sick innuendo and accusation that has faced this woman for a long time. Republicans are really good at it. There is not a shred of evidence that Hillary,or anyone who works for her, did anything wrong in any states that she won, including Arizona.

[bettyellen]

15. people predict and plan around these kind of contingencies for city council races!!!

Seriously, sometimes experience helps. Who knew?

[hellofromreddit]

18. But there is no proof

It is certainly a reasonable guess, but the guess is unproven.

You are shaping the facts to fit your preferred narrative.

[mercuryblues]

28. again

are you suggesting that campaigns do not know how many and where the polling places are?

They get the voting rolls, the names of who voted in the last election, how many are registered in district who votes primary and/or general elections. Swings in voting from year to year. Every minute detail, yet polling places are left to chance?

[bettyellen]

32. basing it of much experience w. local campaigns- this is campaigning 101!

where I am we don't do early voting but certain groups always get heavy into collecting absentee ballots to send out.
When local races were a big deal, they went beyond getting them from the older folks and family members who were unreliable- and would collect them from residents in the hospital! Campaigns keep lists of supporters, and two hours before the polls closed- we would hand off lists of which of our supporters haven't yet voted and they would be called.
This is GOTV in America. However you can vote, the campaign I am working with is going to encourage and make it easier for you! That is why we volunteer!

I can't prove it- but sources from her campaign have said, yes, they encouraged mail in votes. No reason to lie about, and no reason to be ashamed!

[upaloopa]

2. It really gets old reading this stuff. Here is a campaign who has a saint for a leader and all the

followers are martyrs. I gave that up in Catholic school.

[oberliner]

3. Russia Insider?

Are you serious?

[Beacool]

5. Apparently any source will do.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

8. Exactly

Throw shit at the wall and see what sticks

[Beacool]

4. Please remove the tin foil hat.

These conspiracy theories border on the ridiculous.

[TDale313]

6. I'm a Sanders supporter, and I don't think she or her camp were behind the debacle in AZ

I do want to see her and her supporters speak out- cause there was abso-friggin-lutely voter suppression in Arizona. Suppression of Democratic and minority voters. And they'll do it again in November if we don't make a huge issue of this. And if it's mostly Bernie and his supporters complaining it's way too easy to just write off as "meh. sore losers" People waited in line for hours- some to then be turned away because of "problems" with their registration. This is wrong- and it's still wrong even if your candidate won and still woulda won.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

10. Apparently it was the US Supreme Court on the Voting Rights act that allow AZ

to cut down the number of polling places. All the more reason why no matter who the Dem nominee is a Republican not win the Whitehouse.

[mercuryblues]

14. Well

if anything the mess at the polls hurt Hillary, as she does very well with minorities. But this dreck was posted in BSSG as a real and true story. So how do you expect Hillary's supporters to speak out against that, when Bernie supporters are saying she stole the election? Have to fight other democrats along with the republican party pulling this shit. Do you see the problem?

That article is 100% garbage and getting passed around. How can we join together and fight the big fight if our supposed allies are throwing nails in the path?

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Russia insider? REALLY? Speaking of propaganda

[panader0]

11. As a Bernie supporter, I make no claims of anyone stealing anything.

I will say, for the sake of real Democracy, that all votes should count, that there should be a level
playing field for all, that voting should be easier and more. Why do we need a different system in each state?
Open primary, closed primary, preferred selection, caucuses (which seem so wild). Why can't we have
a simple system, one person, one vote, easy to do, verifiable, perhaps a holiday. Why are results called
when one percent of the vote is in? Why are there shortages of ballots? This should be easy.
The system we have makes it easy to game. Please......this shit is nutz

[mercuryblues]

16. say that

In the sanders group, where I found this. They are loving it in there

[ladjf]

12. No masterpiece. Rather a thug mugging. No finesse. Just brutal misuse of authority.

[Downwinder]

17. AZ Dem. officials predicted the problems at the polls.

I can't fault Hillary for knowing the territory. I do fault her for not speaking up about it after the election. She has a soap box, wen she call reporters they show up. She can make a point about voter suppression that the average voter can not. That is called leadership.

[joshcryer]

20. Hosts locked the last incarnation of this.

Let's see if they're consistent.

[mercuryblues]

21. it passed a jury

I had no idea the hosts locked it. I do know people got banned for calling this trash, trash. Hmmm. who does that? the hosts.

edited in. No, is not locked. I just checked.

[joshcryer]

22. Juries are highly unreliable.

But the hosts locked the last thread by consensus for conspiracy theory. We'll see if they are consistent.

[mercuryblues]

30. it is not locked

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280156616

[joshcryer]

33. No, the GDP hosts locked it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511562203

The Sanders Group hosts won't lock anything that is remotely divisive.

[mercuryblues]

24. O

I don't know, why don't you try reading my comment at the top?

[Corey_Baker08]

26. My Sincerest Apologies

[mercuryblues]

29. no problem

[RandySF]

27. Russia Insider?

Is that really the best you can come up with? How anyone take this seriously?

[JonLeibowitz]

31. My god. This was taken seriously????

[azurnoir]

34. Locking as CT as this subject has been prior

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511562203