Like Obama in 2008, Bernie Sanders Is Experiencing ‘Dirty Politics’ From Clinton’s Campaign

[insta8er]

With allegations of voter suppression in Arizona, as well as questions about the Clinton campaign’s tactics in Iowa, Nevada, and other states, some historical context is needed. In 2008, The Atlantic published an article explaining “dirty politics” and voting “irregularities” titled Obama Manager Accuses Clintons of Widespread Dirty Politics:

David Plouffe, in a succinct statement appended to a released quotation from his boss, Barack Obama, said the Obama campaign was investigating more than 200 reporters of irregularities in Nevada.

“We currently have reports of over 200 separate incidents of trouble at caucus sites, including doors being closed up to thirty minutes early, registration forms running out so people were turned away, and ID being requested and checked in a non-uniform fashion. This is in addition to the Clinton campaign’s efforts to confuse voters and call into question the at-large caucus sites which clearly had an affect on turnout at these locations. These kinds of Clinton campaign tactics were part of an entire week’s worth of false, divisive, attacks designed to mislead caucus-goers and discredit the caucus itself.”

Plouffe asks Nevadans to call a toll-free number... and report any other problems.

Sound familiar? Every single one of the voting irregularities Plouffe complained about in 2008 have been experienced by the Bernie Sanders campaign.

History is repeating itself in 2016.


[link:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/like-obama-in-2008-bernie_b_9545560.html|

[Onlooker]

1. Caucuses themselves are dirty politics

Caucuses are anti-democratic, and by their nature exclude people are not politically highly engaged, people with kids, and many working people. That Bernie is winning caucuses and not primaries merely reflects that he has a strong activist base.

Further, there is zero evidence that the Clinton campaign was involved in dirty politics in Arizona, but the Sanders campaign with these accusations is engaged in dirty politics.

[Zira]

20. Excuse me? There has been a LOT of evidence.

Plenty of videos at the caucuses showing funny math from Clinton supporters too.

And the DNC closing most of the Caucuses in AZ and relying on early voting, after their leader pledged her support for Hillary, is very suspect.

[Onlooker]

26. You're mistaken. Arizona had a primary, not caucuses

Caucuses are corrupt by their nature because they are geared towards the political class, not the public at large. I think the caucus system is terrible. It's not democratic.

But, Arizona was a regular election. There doesn't appear to be a pattern that favored Hillary. If people didn't get to vote, there is no particularly logical reason to believe that it was Bernie supporters.

Is there corruption? I'm sure there are some individuals at the local level who engaged in corrupt activities. At the higher level, the corruption is more likely to manifest itself in more complex ways, such as by placing fewer voting places in minority areas or requiring voter ID cards.

[rbrnmw]

2. HAHA Goodman

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Here, from 2008

http://www.alternet.org/story/73782/hillary_clinton's_dirty_campaign_tactics

No goodman

[rbrnmw]

8. thanks

[pnwmom]

13. And here, from Jan 2016, about Bernie's campaign's dirty tricks in Nevada.

And it doesn't even mention all their other dirty tricks -- e.g., sending out literature with the AARP logo on it.

http://wonkette.com/598280/uh-oh-bernie-sanders-campaign-being-very-naughty-in-nevada

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. I just showed the actual story wrtiing from 2008

have a good day.

By the way, the machine deployment by reid was ten times as worst ,ok

Here from same source

https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/gop-voters-could-participate-democratic-caucus

And here from Ralston in Politico

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/harry-reid-ralston-machiavelli-with-malaprops-101168

I would not go that far if I were you

[pnwmom]

16. Oh, yeah, 10 times worse. On the Richter scale, probably.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. You keep laughing ok

[840high]

46. Thank you Nadin - I feel

I need a bullhorn to get through to the Clinton supporters.

[fun n serious]

3. Utah had voter supression too

but *crickets*

[pnwmom]

17. Isn't it funny how that goes? n/t

[fun n serious]

19. Yep. Silence... nt

[Happenstance24]

4. A small part of me

wants Bernie to make it to the General election just so I can watch Team Bernie's heads explode when the Pugs really start dishing out "dirty politics". The bitching and whining from his stans would be epic. We'd have to rename "Vermont" to "Wails".

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Me to. I do not expect HRC to be able to weather that

I do not expect her fans to know what hit them.

[Zira]

22. You sound very uninformed about Bernie. And, Hillary for that matter.

But, welcome to my ignore for your offensive troll post.

[Thinkingabout]

5. Go right to the best source to get the wrong information,

I thought HA Goodman links were dead before arrival.

[SidDithers]

9. Goodman. LOL...

Sid

[pnwmom]

10. The writer endorsed RAND PAUL for President in 2016. In case you didn't know,

Republican libertarians and Socialists are on the opposite sides of the political spectrum.

This guy has been on a personal campaign to help out the Rethugs by attacking Hillary through Bernie on almost a daily basis.

[w4rma]

32. I'd rather invite libertarians for Bernie into the party, than neoconservatives for Hillary. (nt)

[pnwmom]

33. There is no such thing as either. No libertarian would be a true supporter

of a socialist, and no neoconservative would support Hillary's progressive policies.

[w4rma]

36. With…only remotely libertarian GOP candidate out…, should … liberty movement start feeling the Bern?

With the only remotely libertarian GOP candidate out of the 2016 race, should the liberty movement start feeling the Bern?
…
“You could do worse than having Bernie Sanders in the White House,” he admitted. “The things that he would be able to direct in the White House would accord with libertarian values. Being a commander-in-chief, he would minister our foreign policy much differently than Obama or Bush; he would be much more likely to change the scheduling for marijuana, which the president can do; and he’d be in a much better position to push criminal justice reform.”

Rand Paul billionaire donor Jeff Yass, owner of Susquehanna International Group, agreed. “All hawks left now, except Bernie,” he told Politico. “Not impossible I’d support Bernie. The president really decides whether we go to war or not, and Bernie is our best hope to stay out of war. On the other hand, he would shut my business down.”

Indeed, a number of libertarians seem willing to take Sanders’s more agreeable positions piecemeal, rather than suffer through another Republican who upholds and expands state power for favored institutions like the military and law enforcement.

“I like [Sanders’s] view on police accountability and corruption,” New Hampshire-based libertarian activist J.P. Freeman told the Burlington Free Press. “The government control, their front line is the cops. It starts with local police.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/09/is-there-a-libertarian-case-for-bernie-sanders.html

[pnwmom]

37. Bernie's whole campaign is based on fighting for the 99%. Libertarians

believe in the opposite -- they are for letting the strongest man take all, without governmental interference. Bernie would hate the idea of people saying he is linked with libertarian philosophy.

Read Ayn Rand, because Rand Paul, Paul Ryan and other tea party conservatives consider her writings their bible. (Ron Paul even named his son Rand after Ayn Rand.)

[w4rma]

41. But Libertarians generally *believe* that they are fighting for the 99%.

They are generally going about it the wrong way, but they do agree with progressives on many issues. If those issues are prioritized then Bernie can win their votes. Progressives can win their votes.

I have a number of Libertarian Facebook friends. Many of them switched to the Democratic Party to the sole purpose of voting for Bernie over Clinton and they plan to vote for Bernie in the general election, if he wins the Democratic nomination.

[w4rma]

38. Hillary Clinton’s AIPAC Speech Was a Symphony of Craven, Delusional Pandering

In doing so, she offered a bridge to #NeverTrump neoconservatives like Max Boot and Robert Kagan, who has already written that, should Trump be the nominee, “the only choice will be to vote for Hillary Clinton. The party cannot be saved, but the country still can be.”

Anti-Trump neoconservatives, however, are a minuscule group of people. And in seeking their approval, Clinton has further alienated left-wing voters, particularly young ones. Polls show that Americans under 30 are far more critical of Israel than are older voters. Liberal Democrats sympathize more with the Palestinians than they do with Israel. There is already deep suspicion of Clinton’s foreign-policy instincts among Bernie Sanders’ supporters; Clinton doesn’t need to give them new reasons to distrust her.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/03/hillary_clinton_s_aipac_speech_was_a_symphony_of_craven_delusional_pandering.html

[pnwmom]

39. Another overwrought Bernie preacher. n/t

[w4rma]

42. Another Clinton supporter whom I can't tell from a typical Republican. (nt)

[pnwmom]

43. I know. Reading comprehension is a developed skill that not everyone has. n/t

[w4rma]

44. You read the Slate article? I doubt it. (nt)

[840high]

47. So is understanding an article.

[Tarc]

11. "With allegations of voter suppression in Arizona..." is where I stopped reading

as the Clinton campaign had nothing to do with AZ closing down so many polling places, nor did it have anything to do with the crush of independents clogging up the works as they tried to vote in a primary that they were not allowed into.

[Lucinda]

58. +1

[DanTex]

12. H. A. Gooooooooooooooodman!

[PufPuf23]

15. How much are Democrats willing to let Hillary Clinton harm our Democratic Party?

Even if we should "win" the POTUS with Hillary Clinton as our candidate, we lose.

Yes still better than GOP or Trump but worse than Obama and a continued erosion of the status quo.

[pnwmom]

21. How much are Democrats willing to keep promoting the view of a Rand Paul endorser?

H.A. Goodman, the subject of the OP, endorsed Rand Paul for President, 2016. Since then he's found the best way to help the libertarians is to attack Hillary through Bernie.

[Lizzie Poppet]

24. "Poisoning the well"

Look it up...

[pnwmom]

29. Yeah, Goodman's doing a good job of that. So is everyone posting him here.

They're dumping lots of his poison in the DU well.

[Lizzie Poppet]

35. Didn't look it up, did you?

[pnwmom]

40. I don't need to look it up. It's a well known cliche. n/t

[Lizzie Poppet]

45. Actually, your response indicates quite clearly that you don't.

Color me shocked...

[PufPuf23]

28. There is no way that Bernie Sanders (and no Sanders supporters at DU) would ever endorse Rand Paul.

What a phony argument.

As a neo-liberal, Hillary Clinton is closer to Rand Paul in policy and track record than Bernie Sanders.

Such obtuse partisan posts at DU are of negative value.

I want the Democratic Party back from the greed and power mad.

Search and find the video clip of Hillary Clinton laughing and gloating about Libya.

Psychopathic not wise restrained leadership.

[Zira]

23. I agree. Even if she wins, we lose.

I find it hard to believe so many Dems are supporting the TPP, Fracking, The keystone XL, Wall Street corruption and so much more that she stands for. And, some of these people call themselves liberal and act like liberals have moved to the left. No we haven't. We've been against these things since they've been around.

[Lizzie Poppet]

25. Party branding over policy. I genuinely pity anyone who thinks that way.

[pnwmom]

30. She has a stronger plan to rein in Wall Street and the shadow banking system than Bernie does,

since all he proposes to do is break up the big banks. That won't touch the core of the problem.

And she doesn't support the TPP or Keystone. But Bernie supporters will keep posting those lies.

[riversedge]

27. oh good lord--a Sanders fan is posting delusionsl H. A. Goodman AGAIN. You only look

foolish bringing that crap over here.

[Dem2]

31. Trash this conspiracy garbage instantly

FFS, this is NOT helping Bernie - CUT THE F****** CRAP!!!

[840high]

49. Nah - I'll k/r this OP. Good to shine

the light on Hillary.

[Dem2]

50. Nobody believes that

Nobody. You're just having fun taunting people.

[840high]

56. Everybody believes that

Everybody. See how that works.

[Dem2]

57. .

Yes, that worked, thanks.

[H2O Man]

34. Recommended.

[bigtree]

48. from the campaign who stole campaign data

...caught red-handed.

From the campaign improperly using the League of Conservation Voters logo on fundraising mailers; the campaign whose staffers dressed as if they were union members so they could campaign in restricted areas of the Nevada Culinary Union.

On top of incidents like these, there's Sanders' dishonest lawsuit against the DNC trying to turn his own scandal into a phony conspiracy so he could fundraise on it.

The worst is the open plan to lure superdelegates to support his campaign in lieu of actual votes to propel Sanders into a lead he didn't earn.

As far as the op article, it list incidents over which Hillary had zero control. Promoting dishonesty like this is a familiar characteristic of the Sanders campaign here.


Jeff Gauvin ?@JeffersonObama
Sanders camp now realizing they lost the race to Clinton. Full court press blaming it on Clinton fraud, nefarious unicorns & the Chupacabra

[RandySF]

51. How much tin foil did he need to write this?

[bravenak]

54. A MINES worth

Millions of yards.

[Metric System]

52. Hack Attack!

[bravenak]

53. HA HA HA HA Goodman, LOL

[haikugal]

55. Recommend....

Kick!