2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders Campaign Manager Jeff Weaver's LETTER To Clinton Campaign Manager, Robby Mook

March 27, 2016
Mr. Robby Mook
Hillary for America
Post Office Box 5256
New York, NY 101855256
Dear Robby,
I am writing to you about the remaining, agreedupon Democratic primary season debates in April and May of this year. As you know, Secretary Clinton agreed to three additional debates one in March, one in April, one in May in return for our campaign agreeing to the latescheduled debate in New Hampshire prior to that states primary.
At Senator Sanders request, the March debate was held in Michigan. As I understand it, there was previously an agreement reached by our representatives for the May debate to be held in California. I trust that commitment remains on your part.
However, there has not been agreement on the April debate in terms of date or location. Our campaign continues to believe that the people of New York, the largest April primary, deserve to have the debate held in their state, and that it should be held prior to the New York primary.
Given the outcome of electoral contests since March 15 it is clearer than ever that New York will play a critical
role in determining the Democratic nominee. However, your campaign has consistently chosen to deny the people of New York the opportunity to see Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton debate in the Empire State.
It is difficult to understand your motivation. I have received calls from numerous news organizations seeking to sponsor a New York debate so I know the media interest would be high. Can you please explain why New York should not host the April debate? Is the Secretary concerned about debating before the people who twice elected her to the U.S. Senate?
Perhaps there is some tactical advantage you are seeking by avoiding a debate in New York but I would remind you that Senator Sanders agreed to debate the Secretary in New Hampshire when he was well ahead in the polls.
I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience so we can schedule the New York debate in April.
Regards, Jeff Weaver
P.O. Box 905 Burlington, Vermont
05402 8028621505 w ww.berniesanders.com
https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/nydebate.pdf
Segami
(14,923 posts)Jackilope
(819 posts).. for HRC to channel Giuliani in a "911!" moment.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)wouldn't she. Do you deny that she worked her buns off for the city following 9/11 and woke hard to get the benefits for the first responders? How low will you folks go to smear her?
Wilms
(26,795 posts)...look into it.
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livetohike
(24,283 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)democrank
(12,598 posts).
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I suspect, though, that now that WaPo and LAT have feature stories on the FBI investigation today, she may go into hiding to avoid questions.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)We've had enough debates.
Robby Mook should send a return letter with a drawing of a middle finger.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Hillary describes herself as being TOUGH! EXPERIENCED! Really??????
If she can't take on the ole fart Bernie Sanders in Prime Time in The Empire State then how tough or experienced can she possibly be?
I mean she could do a debate in Buffalo... I mean nobody would care if it was there right?
daleanime
(17,796 posts)people might expect us to live up to our words.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)And it wouldn't surprise me. And it won't surprise me when people support her for breaking an agreement. Because integrity is for little people.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I think stealing voter data is worse.
You were saying something about integrity?
Live Bait
(93 posts)WHO RECOMMENDED THAT MORON URETSKY TO THE CAMPAIGN?
The lawsuit is very active. Answers still needs to be produced.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Let the NY debate begin.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)And did Bernie personally and allegedly commit malfeasance?
Because this decision is hers and hers alone to make.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)She should not pull a trump.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)dchill
(42,660 posts)That's massive!
floriduck
(2,262 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...should renege on her agreement to have two more debates?
Well that doesn't say a lot for you, does it.
FarPoint
(14,765 posts)They are desperately craving attention...I think the next debate needs to be after the Convention.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)She must want them.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I suggest that she get to the podium posthaste.
She can shine with all of the brilliance her supporters profess that she has, and put to rest the Sander's campaign.
Or, which is highly likely, she will fail, which is why she won't participate.
How does it feel to back a candidate that is so frightened of open policy debate?
FarPoint
(14,765 posts)How do you feel knowing that you are supporting a newbie freshman Democrat of 10 months having 40 years to make a switch but never did? One who has never contributed to the Democratic Party, is in an active law suit against the Party, and appears to be using the Democratic Party like a hitchhiker for personal gain. As a Democrat, how does it feel to back such a candidate? I'm glad you asked.
To answer your question, I gladly support Hillary Clinton and look forward to her leadership.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...that she already made?
Interesting.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...birds of a feather...flock together.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,568 posts)was to be held in PA. There was no agreement for New York. Weaver and Devine are as bad as Hannity.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)That was a classic. It reminded me of Otter telling the tribunal in the movie Animal House that the Delta brothers weren't gong to stand there and listen to others tear down the American way of life.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)campaign complied with their request for another debate in NH.
Why not hold another debate in NY before their primary?
Corporate666
(587 posts)Nothing in the letter suggests they are trying to renege or stall.
You're suffering confirmation bias. The letter clearly shows that no location was agreed to. It's favorable for Bernie to have the debate in NY and it's favorable for Clinton to have it elsewhere.
The Sanders campaign is just trying to shame Clinton into agreeing to their will. It's not that Bernie thinks Clinton doesn't care for the people of NY (if that is true, does it mean Sanders doesn't care about the people of all the other states he doesn't want to hold the debate in?) - it's just that he wants to get his way.
If Clinton is smart, she will release a letter agreeing to a debate in various places (not NY) and letting Bernie choose which one. Why should she give him what he wants? She doesn't have to - she can choose states she is behind in and let him choose which one, and challenge him to choose or risk demonstrating he does not care about the people of those states.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)two months.
Clinton resides in NY and has was elected from that state, not sure why you would think it would unfavorable to her?
desmiller
(747 posts)is nervous about his candidate. He should be cheering her on to kick Sanders' ass instead of that response. Quite telling don't you think?
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)desmiller
(747 posts)Corporate666
(587 posts)who "my" candidate is? I don't support Clinton or Sanders. I would say what is telling is when someone assumes that if you do A, you must be B.
Like... if you say something against Sanders, you must be a Clinton fan.
Not too far off from lots of other blanket statements we ought to be moving away from... "if you're black, you must be a criminal" or "if you're from the south, you must be stupid". Or are such assumptions totally OK as long as it's not a "forbidden" topic?
desmiller
(747 posts)naughty list you go.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Corporate666
(587 posts)Why would she agree to a debate in NY?
Do people think that she should make sure Bernie has every opportunity to win and do everything she can to help him in that goal? Why would she? She's not out to help Bernie win, and with nothing to gain, there's no reason she should do a debate in NY. It will be broadcast on TV - nobody will be denied seeing it. But she is in the power position and can dictate terms to Bernie, and she should use that advantage to secure her lead.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)but his campaign proposed four more debates, instead of just added them when the Clinton campaign saw fit.
One has to wonder why her level of confidence is lacking to hold another debate in NY before their primary?
When Sanders was leading in NH he agreed to another unscheduled debate, honestly this just makes her appear, not very confident.
Zira
(1,054 posts)thesquanderer
(13,006 posts)Well yes, it's all going to be about tactical advantage.
This is a losing argument, though: "Perhaps there is some tactical advantage you are seeking by avoiding a debate in New York but I would remind you that Senator Sanders agreed to debate the Secretary in New Hampshire when he was well ahead in the polls."
Her answer to that could simply be "Suckahh!" The fact that he was willing to debate where he had an advantage would not be a factor for Hillary. I mean, really, is anyone expecting "fair play" from someone who has intentionally misrepresented his positions numerous times? It's about winning, not about playing fair.
But obviously Jeff Weaver knows that too. So that line is just there for the PR.
And even though he did debate in NH where he was ahead, he did get something in return: a commitment for more debates.
But I don't think Hillary is going to want to give him anything that might weaken her in NY. I don't see a NY debate happening.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Sounds like she knows she isn't winning the debates and that she knows the more she talks the less likable she becomes.
Segami
(14,923 posts)people will arrive at their own conclusions, continuing to question WHY Hillary won't release her transcripts as well as WHY is Hillary running away from debating Bernie?
Bernie will add her avoidance into his stump speech and continue wacking her with it at all his stops.......
If I had a say.....I would rent out the largest, Brooklyn NY building mural wall space and erect a massive, very simple and bold ad design with the caption reading...
I want us to debate.
Brooklyn NY wants us to debate.
The people want us to debate.
Even the Bird wants us to debate.
Then why won't you debate Hillary?
JudyM
(29,785 posts)Maybe she doesn't do well when people listen to her... Or maybe Bernie does well when people get a chance to listen to him.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)"Oh fine, Bernard. We'll agree to debates in March, April and May (as if you will even be a candidate then! To laugh!)."
Zira
(1,054 posts)and paid that 15k to get a seat...
JudyM
(29,785 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)Waiting for the response. Watching closely
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)in NY, what is she afraid of (in case of her refusal)?
After all here would be her chance to reciprocate
showing, that she has no trouble winning after
that debate in her "home state".
I would like to see her reasons for refusing his
request.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)beedle
(1,235 posts)"we've had enough debates"? Yeah, maybe for political animals who follow the election closely 1 1/2 years out, and possibly even the people who have already had their say and paid attention to the debates that occurred immediately before their state primaries ... but lots of ordinary people don't pay much attention until they "have to" ... "Oh, are my state primaries in two weeks? I really should start to pay attention to the positions of the candidates, especially about the issues most concerning me and my state ... what's that you say? Hillary and her clique are bored with all this'debating' nonsense, and just want me to shut up and vote for Hillary and don't concern myself with boring old issues?"
Arrogance they name is [some] "Clinton supporters"
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)beedle
(1,235 posts)time away she could be using to attend 'the people's' $15,000 a plate dinners.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)In the interview with Chuck Todd Sanders sounded demanding and publicly calling her out like a bully in my honest opinion. I would not comply with DEMANDS of a bully. That is just my opinion.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)repug bullies, no sweat.
Yet she can not stand up to Bernie?
What are you or she afraid of then?
beedle
(1,235 posts)in a strong way. Or is that strong in a weak way ... I guess it depends on what suits the narrative best.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)It's about how he DEMANDS. That calls for a NO.
global1
(26,507 posts)How do you think she'll do if she maybe wins the nomination and has to face a real bully? Trump.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I would not comply with that kind of bully
Demanging?
I realize this was likely a typo, but I cannot decipher what you were trying to state.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)It's a turn off to DEMAND like it's rightfully yours. See what happened here?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-superdelegates-idUSMTZSAPEC2TAP0RGD
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Why not, Robbie?
jillan
(39,451 posts)Uncle Joe
(65,134 posts)Thanks for the thread, Segami.
Red Oak
(699 posts)People in New York despise weakness, they are a very tough lot, and not debating in New York makes her look weak.
Tarc
(10,601 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)but it'll never be the establishment paper, nytimes
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)No.
Still haven't seen anything as filthy as the Kenyan birth rumours, which a certain campaign started in 2008.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Seems that the Clinton campaign sees parity of exposure as a threat, and that they particularly seek to hide Sanders from NY.
Call 'em out.