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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:41 PM Mar 2016

Sanders Campaign Manager Jeff Weaver's LETTER To Clinton Campaign Manager, Robby Mook








March 27, 2016


Mr. Robby Mook
Hillary for America
Post Office Box 5256
New York, NY 10185­5256


Dear Robby,

I am writing to you about the remaining, agreed­upon Democratic primary season debates in April and May of this year. As you know, Secretary Clinton agreed to three additional debates – one in March, one in April, one in May – in return for our campaign agreeing to the late­scheduled debate in New Hampshire prior to that state’s primary.

At Senator Sanders’ request, the March debate was held in Michigan. As I understand it, there was previously an agreement reached by our representatives for the May debate to be held in California. I trust that commitment remains on your part.

However, there has not been agreement on the April debate in terms of date or location. Our campaign continues to believe that the people of New York, the largest April primary, deserve to have the debate held in their state, and that it should be held prior to the New York primary.

Given the outcome of electoral contests since March 15 it is clearer than ever that New York will play a critical
role in determining the Democratic nominee. However, your campaign has consistently chosen to deny the people of New York the opportunity to see Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton debate in the Empire State.

It is difficult to understand your motivation. I have received calls from numerous news organizations seeking to sponsor a New York debate so I know the media interest would be high. Can you please explain why New York should not host the April debate? Is the Secretary concerned about debating before the people who twice elected her to the U.S. Senate?

Perhaps there is some tactical advantage you are seeking by avoiding a debate in New York but I would remind you that Senator Sanders agreed to debate the Secretary in New Hampshire when he was well ahead in the polls.

I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience so we can schedule the New York debate in April.



Regards, Jeff Weaver



P.O. Box 905 • Burlington, Vermont

05402 • 802­862­1505 • w ww.berniesanders.com




https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/nydebate.pdf


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Sanders Campaign Manager Jeff Weaver's LETTER To Clinton Campaign Manager, Robby Mook (Original Post) Segami Mar 2016 OP
Their reply...."Cut It Out"....lol! Segami Mar 2016 #1
If the debate happens in NY, put me down for 15 minutes ... Jackilope Mar 2016 #7
She has more right to do than anyone else who will be on that stage. She was the Senator then, why Jitter65 Mar 2016 #98
The least they could have done was to promise to... Wilms Mar 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Onlooker Mar 2016 #85
Sounds desperate. n/t livetohike Mar 2016 #2
Yes, desperate to have a debate....How awful Armstead Mar 2016 #20
Sounds like Hillary may be breaking a promise. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #83
I think the operative word might be ' WELCHING' on her commitment. Segami Mar 2016 #92
That is all you and your candidate have left, shitty remarks. CBGLuthier Mar 2016 #89
She's still just "listening"...but, to whom? LOL. n/t libdem4life Mar 2016 #3
Henry Kissinger democrank Mar 2016 #75
Go!! grasswire Mar 2016 #4
No more debates. Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #5
Tell us how you really feel about a competitive Democratic primary. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #10
Geez, I thought That Hillary Was "Inevitable?" So WHY The Hiding... The Lack of Courage? CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #73
Especially no debates that were agreed to..... daleanime Mar 2016 #12
Hillary has already agreed to 2 more. They are on the DNC schedule. Of course she might back out. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #17
What's worse? Stealing voter data or backing out of a debate? Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #19
Ahem. I got this one folks... Live Bait Mar 2016 #25
We'll overlook the DNCs enabling the Clintonites. floriduck Mar 2016 #34
Is the investigation done? Has there been a conclusion? And why is it taking so long? Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #36
Hillary should not renege on her agreement. morningfog Mar 2016 #21
Precisely. How insightfully put. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #37
Ha! You played the Trump card! dchill Mar 2016 #52
That sounds so YOU! nm floriduck Mar 2016 #32
So you are suggesting that Sec. Clinton... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #53
It appears the Sanders Campaign need to be seen with Hillary... FarPoint Mar 2016 #6
You might have missed the part about these debates being brought about by Clinton. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #78
If Hillary Clinton is so certain of victory Aerows Mar 2016 #84
Since you asked me, let me share that I was thinking more along the lines... FarPoint Mar 2016 #93
We had enough debates. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #8
Her supporters want her to duck the challenge. timmymoff Mar 2016 #9
How trumpesque. morningfog Mar 2016 #22
Feel better? hrmjustin Mar 2016 #23
Didn't trump throw in the towel on previously agreed to debates, too? morningfog Mar 2016 #24
Yes. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #26
And didn't Hillary agree to debates in April and May? morningfog Mar 2016 #28
Yes she did. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #30
Just another lie by her, no one will notice. Nt Logical Mar 2016 #67
Feel better? pangaia Mar 2016 #58
So you recommend she renege on an agreement... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #56
Yes. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #57
Well you know what they say... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #59
Whatever! hrmjustin Mar 2016 #60
I know you are scared, as is hill! Nt Logical Mar 2016 #66
Lol well talking to you gives me courage. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #68
Reading your posts mostly make me laugh. Desperation. Nt Logical Mar 2016 #69
Any potential debate between now and California Dawson Leery Mar 2016 #76
I can't wait to hear Hillary invoke 9/11/01 as a reason for supporting TARP in 2008 again BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #11
Might be good for Hillary ( or her campaign) to keep her word... for ONCE. AzDar Mar 2016 #13
K&R kristopher Mar 2016 #14
Clinton campaign is trying to stall and possibly renege on previously agreed terms after the Sanders slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #15
No Corporate666 Mar 2016 #27
Well it certainly appears that Clinton is stalling, this has been in the works for almost slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #40
That means Clinton has home field advantage. Seems to me that corporate666 desmiller Mar 2016 #47
Yes, quite telling. Maybe they should debate in a state that has already voted :))) nt slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #55
HA!! indeed. desmiller Mar 2016 #65
How did you determine... Corporate666 Mar 2016 #70
Response #71 determined it for me. desmiller Mar 2016 #72
+1 dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #82
She has nothing to gain... Corporate666 Mar 2016 #71
Clinton wanted another debate before the NH elelction, Bernie was confident enough to agree... slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #96
Why is it not favorable for her to debate in NY? Zira Mar 2016 #86
re: "Perhaps there is some tactical advantage..." thesquanderer Mar 2016 #18
I don't think Hillary is going to want to give him anything that might weaken her in NY. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #33
Well, like the never-ending demand for her transcripts, Segami Mar 2016 #41
It's noteworthy that Hillary's supporters in this thread are arguing vs another debate. Wonder why? JudyM Mar 2016 #29
They didn't expect Bernie to still be standing when the NH debate arrangement was made. morningfog Mar 2016 #35
I wan't to know how many Hillary supporters when to her rally for their state Zira Mar 2016 #87
Ha! Guessing primarily the ones who want favors in return. Nt JudyM Mar 2016 #94
A refreshingly public moment Fairgo Mar 2016 #31
If HRC is so sure that she can and will win sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #38
Sanders doesn't want a debate he wants exposure. I say NO nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #44
Interesting how Hillary supporters don't want debates beedle Mar 2016 #39
Yes, confuses me as her supporters say she's won all the previous debates. Think they'd welcome this EndElectoral Mar 2016 #42
Probably because it takes beedle Mar 2016 #45
I say no. fun n serious Mar 2016 #43
I have been told that she can stand up to the sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #46
she's weak beedle Mar 2016 #48
It's not about standing debating fun n serious Mar 2016 #63
If You Think Bernie Is A Bully.... global1 Mar 2016 #62
It's all about the way he is publicly DEMANGING fun n serious Mar 2016 #64
Uh Aerows Mar 2016 #88
Demanding. fun n serious Mar 2016 #90
Would a "bully" use a bullhorn? aspirant Mar 2016 #49
Good one Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #77
Go For It...Great Move...Hillary should debate Bernie in New York! KoKo Mar 2016 #50
I don't know if Jeff using New Hampshire as an example was a good idea. jillan Mar 2016 #51
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #54
I'll bet that Sec. Clinton agrees to a NY debate Red Oak Mar 2016 #61
If she wants to, fine, but I think it's a waste of time at this point Tarc Mar 2016 #74
You're entitle to think what you like - means nothing. snowy owl Mar 2016 #80
Looking forward to this debate. nt kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #79
Wish a NY paper would carry this . . . snowy owl Mar 2016 #81
More prevarication/ shenanigans from the filthiest campaign in recent Democratic history? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #91
Call 'em out. Orsino Mar 2016 #95
But...That would mean that Hillary would have to back words with Action... Bern2WinUSA Mar 2016 #97

Jackilope

(819 posts)
7. If the debate happens in NY, put me down for 15 minutes ...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:46 PM
Mar 2016

.. for HRC to channel Giuliani in a "911!" moment.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
98. She has more right to do than anyone else who will be on that stage. She was the Senator then, why
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:55 PM
Mar 2016

wouldn't she. Do you deny that she worked her buns off for the city following 9/11 and woke hard to get the benefits for the first responders? How low will you folks go to smear her?

Response to Segami (Reply #1)

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
4. Go!!
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:45 PM
Mar 2016

I suspect, though, that now that WaPo and LAT have feature stories on the FBI investigation today, she may go into hiding to avoid questions.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
5. No more debates.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:45 PM
Mar 2016

We've had enough debates.

Robby Mook should send a return letter with a drawing of a middle finger.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
73. Geez, I thought That Hillary Was "Inevitable?" So WHY The Hiding... The Lack of Courage?
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:09 AM
Mar 2016

Hillary describes herself as being TOUGH! EXPERIENCED! Really??????

If she can't take on the ole fart Bernie Sanders in Prime Time in The Empire State then how tough or experienced can she possibly be?

I mean she could do a debate in Buffalo... I mean nobody would care if it was there right?

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
12. Especially no debates that were agreed to.....
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:55 PM
Mar 2016

people might expect us to live up to our words.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
17. Hillary has already agreed to 2 more. They are on the DNC schedule. Of course she might back out.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

And it wouldn't surprise me. And it won't surprise me when people support her for breaking an agreement. Because integrity is for little people.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
19. What's worse? Stealing voter data or backing out of a debate?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:18 PM
Mar 2016

I think stealing voter data is worse.

You were saying something about integrity?

 

Live Bait

(93 posts)
25. Ahem. I got this one folks...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:22 PM
Mar 2016

WHO RECOMMENDED THAT MORON URETSKY TO THE CAMPAIGN?

The lawsuit is very active. Answers still needs to be produced.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
36. Is the investigation done? Has there been a conclusion? And why is it taking so long?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:36 PM
Mar 2016

And did Bernie personally and allegedly commit malfeasance?

Because this decision is hers and hers alone to make.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
53. So you are suggesting that Sec. Clinton...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:47 PM
Mar 2016

...should renege on her agreement to have two more debates?

Well that doesn't say a lot for you, does it.

FarPoint

(14,765 posts)
6. It appears the Sanders Campaign need to be seen with Hillary...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:46 PM
Mar 2016

They are desperately craving attention...I think the next debate needs to be after the Convention.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
78. You might have missed the part about these debates being brought about by Clinton.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 01:03 AM
Mar 2016

She must want them.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
84. If Hillary Clinton is so certain of victory
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 03:51 AM
Mar 2016

I suggest that she get to the podium posthaste.

She can shine with all of the brilliance her supporters profess that she has, and put to rest the Sander's campaign.

Or, which is highly likely, she will fail, which is why she won't participate.

How does it feel to back a candidate that is so frightened of open policy debate?

FarPoint

(14,765 posts)
93. Since you asked me, let me share that I was thinking more along the lines...
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:45 AM
Mar 2016

How do you feel knowing that you are supporting a newbie freshman Democrat of 10 months having 40 years to make a switch but never did? One who has never contributed to the Democratic Party, is in an active law suit against the Party, and appears to be using the Democratic Party like a hitchhiker for personal gain. As a Democrat, how does it feel to back such a candidate? I'm glad you asked.
To answer your question, I gladly support Hillary Clinton and look forward to her leadership.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
56. So you recommend she renege on an agreement...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:51 PM
Mar 2016

...that she already made?

Interesting.

Dawson Leery

(19,568 posts)
76. Any potential debate between now and California
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:53 AM
Mar 2016

was to be held in PA. There was no agreement for New York. Weaver and Devine are as bad as Hannity.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
11. I can't wait to hear Hillary invoke 9/11/01 as a reason for supporting TARP in 2008 again
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

That was a classic. It reminded me of Otter telling the tribunal in the movie Animal House that the Delta brothers weren't gong to stand there and listen to others tear down the American way of life.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
15. Clinton campaign is trying to stall and possibly renege on previously agreed terms after the Sanders
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:07 PM
Mar 2016

campaign complied with their request for another debate in NH.

Why not hold another debate in NY before their primary?



Corporate666

(587 posts)
27. No
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:25 PM
Mar 2016

Nothing in the letter suggests they are trying to renege or stall.

You're suffering confirmation bias. The letter clearly shows that no location was agreed to. It's favorable for Bernie to have the debate in NY and it's favorable for Clinton to have it elsewhere.

The Sanders campaign is just trying to shame Clinton into agreeing to their will. It's not that Bernie thinks Clinton doesn't care for the people of NY (if that is true, does it mean Sanders doesn't care about the people of all the other states he doesn't want to hold the debate in?) - it's just that he wants to get his way.

If Clinton is smart, she will release a letter agreeing to a debate in various places (not NY) and letting Bernie choose which one. Why should she give him what he wants? She doesn't have to - she can choose states she is behind in and let him choose which one, and challenge him to choose or risk demonstrating he does not care about the people of those states.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
40. Well it certainly appears that Clinton is stalling, this has been in the works for almost
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:57 PM
Mar 2016

two months.


Clinton resides in NY and has was elected from that state, not sure why you would think it would unfavorable to her?

desmiller

(747 posts)
47. That means Clinton has home field advantage. Seems to me that corporate666
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:12 PM
Mar 2016

is nervous about his candidate. He should be cheering her on to kick Sanders' ass instead of that response. Quite telling don't you think?

Corporate666

(587 posts)
70. How did you determine...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:56 PM
Mar 2016

who "my" candidate is? I don't support Clinton or Sanders. I would say what is telling is when someone assumes that if you do A, you must be B.

Like... if you say something against Sanders, you must be a Clinton fan.

Not too far off from lots of other blanket statements we ought to be moving away from... "if you're black, you must be a criminal" or "if you're from the south, you must be stupid". Or are such assumptions totally OK as long as it's not a "forbidden" topic?

Corporate666

(587 posts)
71. She has nothing to gain...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:59 PM
Mar 2016

Why would she agree to a debate in NY?

Do people think that she should make sure Bernie has every opportunity to win and do everything she can to help him in that goal? Why would she? She's not out to help Bernie win, and with nothing to gain, there's no reason she should do a debate in NY. It will be broadcast on TV - nobody will be denied seeing it. But she is in the power position and can dictate terms to Bernie, and she should use that advantage to secure her lead.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
96. Clinton wanted another debate before the NH elelction, Bernie was confident enough to agree...
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:44 PM
Mar 2016

but his campaign proposed four more debates, instead of just added them when the Clinton campaign saw fit.

One has to wonder why her level of confidence is lacking to hold another debate in NY before their primary?

When Sanders was leading in NH he agreed to another unscheduled debate, honestly this just makes her appear, not very confident.



thesquanderer

(13,006 posts)
18. re: "Perhaps there is some tactical advantage..."
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:16 PM
Mar 2016

Well yes, it's all going to be about tactical advantage.

This is a losing argument, though: "Perhaps there is some tactical advantage you are seeking by avoiding a debate in New York but I would remind you that Senator Sanders agreed to debate the Secretary in New Hampshire when he was well ahead in the polls."

Her answer to that could simply be "Suckahh!" The fact that he was willing to debate where he had an advantage would not be a factor for Hillary. I mean, really, is anyone expecting "fair play" from someone who has intentionally misrepresented his positions numerous times? It's about winning, not about playing fair.

But obviously Jeff Weaver knows that too. So that line is just there for the PR.

And even though he did debate in NH where he was ahead, he did get something in return: a commitment for more debates.

But I don't think Hillary is going to want to give him anything that might weaken her in NY. I don't see a NY debate happening.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
33. I don't think Hillary is going to want to give him anything that might weaken her in NY.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:29 PM
Mar 2016

Sounds like she knows she isn't winning the debates and that she knows the more she talks the less likable she becomes.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
41. Well, like the never-ending demand for her transcripts,
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:01 PM
Mar 2016

people will arrive at their own conclusions, continuing to question WHY Hillary won't release her transcripts as well as WHY is Hillary running away from debating Bernie?

Bernie will add her avoidance into his stump speech and continue wacking her with it at all his stops.......

If I had a say.....I would rent out the largest, Brooklyn NY building mural wall space and erect a massive, very simple and bold ad design with the caption reading...


I want us to debate.

Brooklyn NY wants us to debate.

The people want us to debate.

Even the Bird wants us to debate.

Then why won't you debate Hillary?

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
29. It's noteworthy that Hillary's supporters in this thread are arguing vs another debate. Wonder why?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:25 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe she doesn't do well when people listen to her... Or maybe Bernie does well when people get a chance to listen to him.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
35. They didn't expect Bernie to still be standing when the NH debate arrangement was made.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:36 PM
Mar 2016

"Oh fine, Bernard. We'll agree to debates in March, April and May (as if you will even be a candidate then! To laugh!)."

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
87. I wan't to know how many Hillary supporters when to her rally for their state
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 04:13 AM
Mar 2016

and paid that 15k to get a seat...

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
38. If HRC is so sure that she can and will win
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:41 PM
Mar 2016

in NY, what is she afraid of (in case of her refusal)?

After all here would be her chance to reciprocate
showing, that she has no trouble winning after
that debate in her "home state".

I would like to see her reasons for refusing his
request.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
39. Interesting how Hillary supporters don't want debates
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:50 PM
Mar 2016

"we've had enough debates"? Yeah, maybe for political animals who follow the election closely 1 1/2 years out, and possibly even the people who have already had their say and paid attention to the debates that occurred immediately before their state primaries ... but lots of ordinary people don't pay much attention until they "have to" ... "Oh, are my state primaries in two weeks? I really should start to pay attention to the positions of the candidates, especially about the issues most concerning me and my state ... what's that you say? Hillary and her clique are bored with all this'debating' nonsense, and just want me to shut up and vote for Hillary and don't concern myself with boring old issues?"

Arrogance they name is [some] "Clinton supporters"

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
42. Yes, confuses me as her supporters say she's won all the previous debates. Think they'd welcome this
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:03 PM
Mar 2016
 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
45. Probably because it takes
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:11 PM
Mar 2016

time away she could be using to attend 'the people's' $15,000 a plate dinners.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
43. I say no.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:06 PM
Mar 2016

In the interview with Chuck Todd Sanders sounded demanding and publicly calling her out like a bully in my honest opinion. I would not comply with DEMANDS of a bully. That is just my opinion.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
46. I have been told that she can stand up to the
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:11 PM
Mar 2016

repug bullies, no sweat.

Yet she can not stand up to Bernie?

What are you or she afraid of then?

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
48. she's weak
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:13 PM
Mar 2016

in a strong way. Or is that strong in a weak way ... I guess it depends on what suits the narrative best.

global1

(26,507 posts)
62. If You Think Bernie Is A Bully....
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:25 PM
Mar 2016

How do you think she'll do if she maybe wins the nomination and has to face a real bully? Trump.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
64. It's all about the way he is publicly DEMANGING
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:35 PM
Mar 2016

I would not comply with that kind of bully

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
88. Uh
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:16 AM
Mar 2016

Demanging?

I realize this was likely a typo, but I cannot decipher what you were trying to state.

Red Oak

(699 posts)
61. I'll bet that Sec. Clinton agrees to a NY debate
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:18 PM
Mar 2016

People in New York despise weakness, they are a very tough lot, and not debating in New York makes her look weak.


snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
81. Wish a NY paper would carry this . . .
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 01:13 AM
Mar 2016

but it'll never be the establishment paper, nytimes

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
91. More prevarication/ shenanigans from the filthiest campaign in recent Democratic history?
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:27 AM
Mar 2016

No.

Still haven't seen anything as filthy as the Kenyan birth rumours, which a certain campaign started in 2008.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
95. Call 'em out.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 01:13 PM
Mar 2016

Seems that the Clinton campaign sees parity of exposure as a threat, and that they particularly seek to hide Sanders from NY.

Call 'em out.

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