She's a victim once again.

That's a new twist.

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Obviously you don't even read the posts what you respond to.

decided to tie it into the debates.

You wrote that, not me. But her supporters have been making reference to Brock's horseshit story about Bernie making his wife move during one of his speeches. Big fucking deal. How does that adversely impact Hillarys decision to debate him?

If you want to be upset at someone for that, be upset at Bernie, after all, he was the one who did the snapping. Blaming it on Clinton or her supporters is silly.

Jane got out of his way so he could have space to deliver his speech. But Brock and you supporters think there is an issue with that. Bull shit!

Your comments make that perfectly clear. I feel sorry for you.

That some interaction between Bernie and Jane is so concerning to Hillary people. We're done now. Time to make you my 5th ignore. You earned it, Tex!

must be tolerated.

They were all set to smear Trump, who has actual dirt to use, now they have to revert back to Bernie. "A bird is considered a bad omen in some cultures" and "Bernie wasn't in the protests in Chicago" and now "Bernie is rude to Jane!"

Where are the attacks on policy. Where are Hillary's plans for these same issues? She has very specific plans for a few issues she thought would give her more support, but next to nothing on everything else.

overwhelmingly enthusiastic response to the video of his reaction toward the bird on his podium - it just eats you guys up, doesn't it?

Right.

You don't have to want Bernie to win to enjoy when things like that happen. You're projecting your hatred onto me, but I don't share it.

onto you.

I admit it. And as you said, I think it really is a YMMV thing. Little things like "please" and "thank you" matter a lot to me; quite possibly they're not that important to all other people, especially (I may be making assumptions) to people who come from the East Coast. Or to people who are about to make a speech and are trying to keep interpersonal conversations brief.

I'm not excusing it. But it's not as though he had an affair or anything like that, which really would have been rude. (By bringing this up I'm referring only to the poor decision-making skills of whoever decided this was something the Hillary campaign wanted to put out there, not to the obvious difference between cheating and being cheated on.)

And since you watched it, you know, as some people do not, that he didn't say "Don't stand next to me"; he just said "Don't stand there," which isn't that big a deal.

Man, talk about sleight of hand.

They're the ones that said it on CNN today.

big right wing conspiracy regarding his latest infidelity?

have girlfriends on the side.

Her record as a "Democrat" sucks and they know it, so they use surrogates to smear Bernie and then cry Bernie is being "negative." David Brock learned well; it's a total Rovian play.

And other things!

S. 1241: A bill to establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site in the State of New York. Bush signed the bill Dec. 3, 2004.

S. 3613: A bill to name a post office the "Major George Quamo Post Office Building." Bush signed the bill Oct. 6, 2006.

S. 3145: A bill to designate a highway in New York as the Timothy J. Russert highway. Bush signed the bill July 23, 2008.

Right?

I thought she was "tough." That's what they want us to think. I don't think they have a clue how ridiculous they are.

transgressions? don't narcissists do this?

Hillary aka Hedy

Why would she even care about something as trivial as that? Hillary is in GE mode and doesn't care one wit about what Bernie does.

You win the thread!

Also reminds me of a joke about Trump and the Indians. After giving a speech to their tribe in upstate NY, the Chief thanked him and gave him a plaque with his new Indian name they gave him. . . ."Walking Eagle"
After Trump left a reporter asked him why they gave him that name.
The chief said that it is a bird that is so full of shit that it can't fly.

The heavy burden . . .so full of shit.

Trump... because if they are complaining about Sanders... ooohhh bbbboooyyyy

them apart from Republicans and republican voters.

They fear for her safety, one even said he's praying for her.

they remind me of Tammy Faye.

Then they cut off the video?

Ooooo - so abusive!

Lock up your daughters, lock up your wives, the Bern is back in town!

He didn't deny it and said it would continue.

He said it himself.

He said that it was fair to contrast the differences
between them, because that is what campaigns are about.

But you did well with your "artful smear"!

Same to you.

Imagine a Hillary supporter calling anyone else "entitled" JESUS!! That is RICH!!!!

funnier and funnier every day.

Every day.

He was very testy on MTP, but we can't talk about Bernie without getting posts hidden, even though his appearance was broadcast on NBC.

negotiate for it.

If he's just going to use the stage to attack her, she has no rational interest in indulging him.

We, as in the electorate, as in the citizens, have a right to see them debate. This isn't about the candidates - it's about we the people! Clinton isn't doing us damn favor by agreeing to debate...that's her responsibility.

she will take a BIG hit for chickening out.

but there are millions in New York whose minds aren't made up. They deserve to see them debate.

He can use his campaign funds for that. Plus, it makes sense to attack the GOP opponents now. That should be the focus.

just a ruse. Sanders has plenty of money to attack her with your donations. Spend that. Quit pretending this is a "debate". It's just an anti-Hillary infomercial that he wants for free.

There are many states, where primaries/caucuses have
not taken place yet.

When, during the 08 campaigns, was the last debate
in that year?

She's not some shrinking violet. She can give as good as she gets, and if she wants to criticize him for negative campaigning, let her challenge him in a debate.

I suppose when the GE rolls around, if she's the nominee she'll refuse to debate trump too?

Campaign managers like defense attorneys here...Can you guess what the similarity is?

I'm busy and and I can't deal with people who aren't acting honestly, I've had it up to here, I just can't take any more and I have to get out of here and free myself from your harassing questions," etc.: an anonymous official called it a "'Fuck this shit' attitude": you just can't talk to some types
it's always a way to paint herself as the unfairly embattled, besieged, victimized focus of grand plots

more than histrionics, it's a way to manipulate people and often seen in abused and/or abusive types

If she doesn't want to be seen as weak because she's a woman, then it's time she and her supporters quit playing the martyr - oh, oh, they're so mean to me card.

God forbid anyone refer to Hillary's delivery as occasionally shrill - that's misogynistic, we are told. But now they can whine they don't like Bernie's "tone"?

... and it's too bad, but it's politics. That said, I think in fairness to Hillary, her supporters have heard the attacks for so long from the right, they find it more disconcerting when it comes from the left. It feels more bullying, but that's not really Bernie's fault.

As Winston Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government except all others that have been tried."

Her stance of "vote for me because I'm a woman" was as offensive to women's rights as it could get. A man better not be saying vote for me because I'm a man. Why would she think it works for a woman? I'm a feminist and I was offended. It didn't help the equality cause. Did she vote for Sarah Palin because she is a woman? With her logic, she better have or she's a hypocrite. I was taught in feminism not to vote for someone because of their body parts. She is an embarrassment to women on this.

Her stance that people are picking on her to show the transcripts because she's a woman was also offensive. As if she has immunity because she is a woman. She said I'll show them when they guys show them theirs. Bernie said, here they are, and he had none since he didn't do those speeches. She still didn't show them so apparently she lied. She continued to say it was sexist to even asking her. And, as a woman I find this a devaluation of what is sexism. Her behavior is _not_ helping woman who need to point out real sexism.

Her current stance of speak to me in a different tone if you want a debate is clearly again the sexism card where it doesn't belong. What if Bernie had said it? Right, it's doesn't work anymore for Hillary. I suspect she will again yell sexism and act like his tone is too hard for her. GET OUT OF POLITICS IF YOU CAN'T COMPETE EQUALLY HILLARY! Obviously she is NOT qualified to be pres. Every world leader questioning her will have her playing the gender card and crying sexism.

And can you see THAT up against Trump?

Trump is an embarrassment to Americans. Hillary is an embarrassment to women. I'm embarrassed by her chronic mis-use of the gender card. When it does exist it's going to be worthless after that woman showed America she is willing to play it everytime it's convenient for her to not so much as answer a question.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

one husband, one wife...please make a distinction for me to understand where Bernie's end of such bullshit doesn't extend to Hillary's personal behavior?...oh, it was BILL?...well hell, that's all different then...

her camp is beyond grasping at straws...