She's a victim once again.

[floriduck]

Two different Hillary spokesmen on TV today said Bernie is running an increasingly negative campaign. This is their justification for wavering on her accepting a debate in NY.

Bernie voted against the Brady Bill five times. Hillary accepts money from Wall Street. Both are accurate statements as presented. So how is Bernie being increasingly negative when Hillary's supporters are planting crap like racism, misogyny, and today's latest crap about Bernie being rude to his own wife.

This whole victimization shit is just so far out of hand and dishonest, it is sickening.

[DanTex]

1. So Hillary supporters made Bernie snap at his wife?

[Human101948]

2. So Hillary is ducking debates because of her support for Bernie's spouse?

That's a new twist.

[DanTex]

4. LOL. Where did you get that idea?

[Human101948]

13. From you my friend...

Original post--

This is their justification for wavering on her accepting a debate in NY.

Your response--

So Hillary supporters made Bernie snap at his wife?

Obviously you don't even read the posts what you respond to.

[DanTex]

17. Sorry, but the two have nothing to do with each other.

[jillan]

19. And having Jane stand on the other side has nothing to do with the debates, now does it?

[DanTex]

23. No. It's just an indication of Bernie's grumpy demeanor. I don't know why the OP

decided to tie it into the debates.

[Aerows]

37. .

[Human101948]

21. See response number 10

[floriduck]

10. Nice try Tex.

You wrote that, not me. But her supporters have been making reference to Brock's horseshit story about Bernie making his wife move during one of his speeches. Big fucking deal. How does that adversely impact Hillarys decision to debate him?

[DanTex]

14. It's not a "story" it's a video. Bernie snapped at his wife, on a hot mic.

If you want to be upset at someone for that, be upset at Bernie, after all, he was the one who did the snapping. Blaming it on Clinton or her supporters is silly.

[floriduck]

22. I saw the video. Nothing wrong with it?

Jane got out of his way so he could have space to deliver his speech. But Brock and you supporters think there is an issue with that. Bull shit!

[DanTex]

25. Looked pretty rude to me. I don't bark orders at my girlfriend. I guess it's a YMMV thing.

[floriduck]

27. I would expect it to look rude to you.

Your comments make that perfectly clear. I feel sorry for you.

[DanTex]

29. Pretty sure it looked rude to everyone outside the "Bernie can do no wrong" set.

[floriduck]

35. Thanks for proving my point

That some interaction between Bernie and Jane is so concerning to Hillary people. We're done now. Time to make you my 5th ignore. You earned it, Tex!

[DanTex]

38. It's not "concerning", just rude. Not sure why Bernie fans can't simply admit that.

[Dustlawyer]

67. There are no real scandals about Bernie, so they try anything. It's a sign of desperation and

must be tolerated.

They were all set to smear Trump, who has actual dirt to use, now they have to revert back to Bernie. "A bird is considered a bad omen in some cultures" and "Bernie wasn't in the protests in Chicago" and now "Bernie is rude to Jane!"

Where are the attacks on policy. Where are Hillary's plans for these same issues? She has very specific plans for a few issues she thought would give her more support, but next to nothing on everything else.

[choie]

34. You can't stand that Bernie received such an

overwhelmingly enthusiastic response to the video of his reaction toward the bird on his podium - it just eats you guys up, doesn't it?

[DanTex]

36. I thought the bird video was great.

[choie]

44. uh huh.

Right.

[DanTex]

48. It was great! Little birdie lands there on the podium, crowd goes nuts. A great moment.

You don't have to want Bernie to win to enjoy when things like that happen. You're projecting your hatred onto me, but I don't share it.

[choie]

74. I'm projecting nothing

onto you.

[renate]

66. you know what? It looked rude to me, too

I admit it. And as you said, I think it really is a YMMV thing. Little things like "please" and "thank you" matter a lot to me; quite possibly they're not that important to all other people, especially (I may be making assumptions) to people who come from the East Coast. Or to people who are about to make a speech and are trying to keep interpersonal conversations brief.

I'm not excusing it. But it's not as though he had an affair or anything like that, which really would have been rude. (By bringing this up I'm referring only to the poor decision-making skills of whoever decided this was something the Hillary campaign wanted to put out there, not to the obvious difference between cheating and being cheated on.)

And since you watched it, you know, as some people do not, that he didn't say "Don't stand next to me"; he just said "Don't stand there," which isn't that big a deal.

[Human101948]

24. What the hell does that have to do with Hillary's ducking debates?

Man, talk about sleight of hand.

[DanTex]

26. Ask the OP. The OP decided to try and link the debates to Bernie's snubbing of his wife.

[floriduck]

30. Ask Beneson and some other lackey of hers.

They're the ones that said it on CNN today.

[roguevalley]

68. who told hillary it was a good idea to go out and defend her cheating husband it was all a

big right wing conspiracy regarding his latest infidelity?

[840high]

69. At least he does not

have girlfriends on the side.

[Chasstev365]

3. It's All They've Got!

Her record as a "Democrat" sucks and they know it, so they use surrogates to smear Bernie and then cry Bernie is being "negative." David Brock learned well; it's a total Rovian play.

[Human101948]

15. What a minute! Hillary named a Post Office!

And other things!

S. 1241: A bill to establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site in the State of New York. Bush signed the bill Dec. 3, 2004.

S. 3613: A bill to name a post office the "Major George Quamo Post Office Building." Bush signed the bill Oct. 6, 2006.

S. 3145: A bill to designate a highway in New York as the Timothy J. Russert highway. Bush signed the bill July 23, 2008.

[dchill]

65. Tell me more! There must be more...

Right?

[Punkingal]

5. She has a piss poor campaign staff.

I thought she was "tough." That's what they want us to think. I don't think they have a clue how ridiculous they are.

[amborin]

6. yes, always the victim; plus, isnt' this a standard bullying tactic? to accuse someone of your own

transgressions? don't narcissists do this?

[MisterP]

31. ever see "Single White Female"?

[amborin]

76. Hedy, redux;

Hillary aka Hedy

[leftofcool]

7. I haven't heard Hillary say anything about Bernie's wife

Why would she even care about something as trivial as that? Hillary is in GE mode and doesn't care one wit about what Bernie does.

[floriduck]

12. Hillary let's her goons handle the dirt.

[Gwhittey]

16. Is it heavy?

[Bjornsdotter]

28. Lol!

You win the thread!

[pdsimdars]

46. The BEST!!!!!

Also reminds me of a joke about Trump and the Indians. After giving a speech to their tribe in upstate NY, the Chief thanked him and gave him a plaque with his new Indian name they gave him. . . ."Walking Eagle"
After Trump left a reporter asked him why they gave him that name.
The chief said that it is a bird that is so full of shit that it can't fly.

The heavy burden . . .so full of shit.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. If she wins the nom... it will be "fun" to watch

Trump... because if they are complaining about Sanders... ooohhh bbbboooyyyy

[onecaliberal]

9. In her own mind. The more I hear from these people every day the more I can't tell

them apart from Republicans and republican voters.

[SHRED]

11. And here's Tim

[artislife]

47. *Like

[jillan]

18. And now they are employing Trump tactics by going after the wife!!

[beam me up scottie]

41. Her supporters here said he abuses his wife, the video is "disturbing", he's "creepy", etc.

They fear for her safety, one even said he's praying for her.

[artislife]

51. Salty tears and indignation

they remind me of Tammy Faye.

[beam me up scottie]

61. I said they're like church ladies, gossiping about Bernie and Jane like nosy busybodies.

[jillan]

53. Did you see the video? He asked her not to stand there, so she moved to the other side.

Then they cut off the video?

Ooooo - so abusive!

[beam me up scottie]

64. He's a MONSTER!!!

Lock up your daughters, lock up your wives, the Bern is back in town!

[R B Garr]

20. Bernie himself on MTP yesterday was called out for going negative on Hillary.

He didn't deny it and said it would continue.

He said it himself.

[sadoldgirl]

33. That is not what he said.

He said that it was fair to contrast the differences
between them, because that is what campaigns are about.

But you did well with your "artful smear"!

[R B Garr]

39. That is what he said. He sounded hostile and entitled.

Same to you.

[pdsimdars]

52. It's always the same, people with HUGE faults always see that fault in others

Imagine a Hillary supporter calling anyone else "entitled" JESUS!! That is RICH!!!!

[litlbilly]

80. OMG hostile and entitled? are you kidding with this bullshit? wow, you people get

funnier and funnier every day.

[R B Garr]

81. Ohh, you too. So funny.

Every day.

He was very testy on MTP, but we can't talk about Bernie without getting posts hidden, even though his appearance was broadcast on NBC.

[geek tragedy]

32. If Bernie wants a debate in NY instead of Pennsylvania, he's going to have to

negotiate for it.

If he's just going to use the stage to attack her, she has no rational interest in indulging him.

[choie]

43. Guess what?

We, as in the electorate, as in the citizens, have a right to see them debate. This isn't about the candidates - it's about we the people! Clinton isn't doing us damn favor by agreeing to debate...that's her responsibility.

[geek tragedy]

50. will a debate help you make up your mind? nt

[pdsimdars]

57. Let's get real, there is the video calling out Obama for not debating her

she will take a BIG hit for chickening out.

[geek tragedy]

75. When she was desperate and hopelessly behind. nt

[choie]

73. Nope, my mind is already made up

but there are millions in New York whose minds aren't made up. They deserve to see them debate.

[geek tragedy]

77. A lot fewer than that. nt

[R B Garr]

45. Perfectly stated. He just wants to get free advertising while he maligns her.

He can use his campaign funds for that. Plus, it makes sense to attack the GOP opponents now. That should be the focus.

[pdsimdars]

58. He is attacking his GOP opponent. . . . Hillary. She is no democrat.

[R B Garr]

79. Lol, this just confirms that the phony debate is

just a ruse. Sanders has plenty of money to attack her with your donations. Spend that. Quit pretending this is a "debate". It's just an anti-Hillary infomercial that he wants for free.

[sadoldgirl]

60. Why should that be the focus?

There are many states, where primaries/caucuses have
not taken place yet.

When, during the 08 campaigns, was the last debate
in that year?

[Armstead]

40. If she's so pissed, why not take him on in a debate?

She's not some shrinking violet. She can give as good as she gets, and if she wants to criticize him for negative campaigning, let her challenge him in a debate.

I suppose when the GE rolls around, if she's the nominee she'll refuse to debate trump too?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

55. Not a sincere question if you know anything about political campaigns.

Campaign managers like defense attorneys here...Can you guess what the similarity is?

[MisterP]

72. that way she can pretend to be patient yet frustrated--"I've explained my position over and over,

I'm busy and and I can't deal with people who aren't acting honestly, I've had it up to here, I just can't take any more and I have to get out of here and free myself from your harassing questions," etc.: an anonymous official called it a "'Fuck this shit' attitude": you just can't talk to some types
it's always a way to paint herself as the unfairly embattled, besieged, victimized focus of grand plots

more than histrionics, it's a way to manipulate people and often seen in abused and/or abusive types

[Android3.14]

42. What a pathetic hateful candidate

[Divernan]

49. Golgatha called. They want their crucifix back.

If she doesn't want to be seen as weak because she's a woman, then it's time she and her supporters quit playing the martyr - oh, oh, they're so mean to me card.

God forbid anyone refer to Hillary's delivery as occasionally shrill - that's misogynistic, we are told. But now they can whine they don't like Bernie's "tone"?

[Vattel]

54. The dishonesty never stops.

[riversedge]

62. True. Bernie said he would not run a negitive campaign but he is doing that now.

[Onlooker]

56. Both sides are doing it ...

... and it's too bad, but it's politics. That said, I think in fairness to Hillary, her supporters have heard the attacks for so long from the right, they find it more disconcerting when it comes from the left. It feels more bullying, but that's not really Bernie's fault.

As Winston Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government except all others that have been tried."

[riversedge]

59. No victim involved. Hillary camp is telling the truth

[pdsimdars]

63. I won't debate !!!!!

[Zira]

70. She never stops playing the gender card where it doesn't belong.

Her stance of "vote for me because I'm a woman" was as offensive to women's rights as it could get. A man better not be saying vote for me because I'm a man. Why would she think it works for a woman? I'm a feminist and I was offended. It didn't help the equality cause. Did she vote for Sarah Palin because she is a woman? With her logic, she better have or she's a hypocrite. I was taught in feminism not to vote for someone because of their body parts. She is an embarrassment to women on this.

Her stance that people are picking on her to show the transcripts because she's a woman was also offensive. As if she has immunity because she is a woman. She said I'll show them when they guys show them theirs. Bernie said, here they are, and he had none since he didn't do those speeches. She still didn't show them so apparently she lied. She continued to say it was sexist to even asking her. And, as a woman I find this a devaluation of what is sexism. Her behavior is _not_ helping woman who need to point out real sexism.

Her current stance of speak to me in a different tone if you want a debate is clearly again the sexism card where it doesn't belong. What if Bernie had said it? Right, it's doesn't work anymore for Hillary. I suspect she will again yell sexism and act like his tone is too hard for her. GET OUT OF POLITICS IF YOU CAN'T COMPETE EQUALLY HILLARY! Obviously she is NOT qualified to be pres. Every world leader questioning her will have her playing the gender card and crying sexism.

And can you see THAT up against Trump?

Trump is an embarrassment to Americans. Hillary is an embarrassment to women. I'm embarrassed by her chronic mis-use of the gender card. When it does exist it's going to be worthless after that woman showed America she is willing to play it everytime it's convenient for her to not so much as answer a question.

[sadoldgirl]

78. I agree totally!

[Avalux]

82. You nailed it.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[islandmkl]

71. one 'hot mike' and that's abuse?...by that barometer, where does a blow job figure in?

one husband, one wife...please make a distinction for me to understand where Bernie's end of such bullshit doesn't extend to Hillary's personal behavior?...oh, it was BILL?...well hell, that's all different then...

her camp is beyond grasping at straws...