Since an overwhelming majority of DU believes there was voter suppression in AZ....

[blueintelligentsia]

Do you think there should be a revote in AZ? Edit: Link to petition in first comment.

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	Yes
	49 (96%)
	No
	2 (4%)
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[blueintelligentsia]

1. Poll from previous post...

Petition if you think the revote should be held: (50,000 needed to reach 100,000)
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/do-revote-arizona-primary-due-voter-suppression

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. OF COURSE. n/t

[Kalidurga]

3. Apparently there is some problem with just extending the vote to those suppressed

So, I guess a revote is the only remedy. I prefer just allowing those votes to be counted that weren't included because of tampering with voters registrations.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

4. yes they should be made to re-run the whole primary in AZ

[Art_from_Ark]

10. With lots more polling places

and an ample supply of ballots, for starters

[Rosa Luxemburg]

11. yes

that would teach them a lesson especially when people will watch over them

[Cal33]

45. And it would be a warning to potential voter-suppressors in those states that haven't voted yet.

[Hoyt]

5. No. I don't think any irregularities that might have occurred favored any candidate.

I'd also suggest people vote early, by mail or absentee in the future. You avoid lines, weather, illness, etc.

[jillan]

6. It came out today that the vote by mail ballots haven't all been counted. It's just a shit storm.

They will get counted but since they don't feel it will effect the outcome there is no hurry.

This is not democracy. I think (?) you are a Hillary supporter. It's very possible that she may have earned more delegates than she was awarded.

If Hillary won, that's fine, sad to me - but fine.
All any of us should want is that people got to vote, that the votes are counted and the delegates are split up proportionately.

That shouldn't be too much to ask.

[LiberalFighter]

7. Arizona, specifically Helen Purcell needs to be told to do her job.

She is wrong to think it won't make a difference. This is not the same as a general or regular primary. The results determine delegates. The regular elections just determines winners.

[jillan]

8. She needs to resign. Her and Michelle Reagan, SoS. They are a disgrace to democracy.

[LiberalFighter]

16. They need to remind her that she has screwed up other elections.

[Zira]

37. Reducing to 60, out of 200 normal caucus sites didn't bother you?

The impossibility of many people being to vote at all didn't bug you? You'll just throw away anyone who bothers to show up at caucus's instead of vote in advance?

Got it.

[Hoyt]

47. Well most folks nowadays vote early, absentee, by mail, or even on-line in some cases.

[Zira]

48. This is the day of the caucuses. No more caucuses?

The people in my caucus including me never got our ballots mailed to us this time. First time since I bought my house 8 years ago that I didn't get my ballot.

[Hoyt]

49. Was Arizona a caucus? I don't think so.

[geek tragedy]

9. No, that would disenfranchise everyone who did vote.

There is not enough time for a redo.

[JudyM]

12. They could do a mail-in like Oregon.

[geek tragedy]

13. That takes many months if not years to set up let alone execute.

There are only 70 days left in the primary campaign.

[JudyM]

38. Yeah, probably... Can you think of an alternative?

[LiberalFighter]

17. That would first require a legislative change.

[JudyM]

39. Since there seems to be bipartisan support around the issue that could theoretically happen quickly.

Theoretically.
Can you think of an alternative?

[LiberalFighter]

50. Theoretically, I don't think so.

The logistics is not there for it to happen.

number of days til legislation approves it.
number of days to allow voters to change their voter registration.
29 or 30 days until the election.

That would likely put it to the beginning of June.

The District caucuses that decide the delegates that will go to the National Convention is 16 April 2016.

And the State Convention is 14 May 2016 for selection of other delegates.

[lostnfound]

14. Yes, but if not, at least count the provisionals and all absentees

I have no confidence that they've even done that

[LiberalFighter]

20. They should only count ballots that are identified as Democratic Party voters.

If they are independent or Independent registered their ballots will not be counted. Based on 2008 primary there were far fewer provisional ballots in this election. 40,000 in 2008 and 23,000 in 2016.

If anything kept people from getting to vote it would be the long lines due to fewer voting locations. Those long lines also caused parking issues. And maybe some of those voting locations made it more difficult for others to vote too.

The issue of voters having their party affiliation changed possibly occurred at the DMV when a person was updating their address on paper form. Data from the forms were inputted by the DMV. The numbers are currently unknown as well as where and for how long it has been going on. There is still the question of whether voters got a mailing from the election board showing where to vote with their new address and how their party affiliation is shown.

[lostnfound]

34. That DMV stuff is presumably what happened in Florida

This voting system is so haphazard, it's astonishing.
And every "improvement" -- when HAVA, electronic systems, or driver license registrations -- seems to only keep making it worse.

[LiberalFighter]

51. It likely isn't a voter registration problem but a drivers license registration problem.

The person at the BMV need to be trained correctly and the software should alert when that field is not filled to confirm.

Computer applications only work as well as they are written.

[yardwork]

15. It would be better to make AZ add polling places for the GE.

They're not going to redo the primary. It's possible to make them fix this before the fall election. And there are a lot of other Republican controlled states with the same problems.

[LiberalFighter]

21. There is suppose to be 724 voting locations in the general.

[superkona]

43. better for who?

as opposed to addressing the people who just had their votes thrown in the toilet?

[yardwork]

44. Right wing Republican controlled AZ isn't going to redo this primary.

We have a much bigger problem, and that's that many Democrats are going to be disenfranchised in the general election.

It's terrible that there was disenfranchisement in the primary, but impossible to know whose votes didn't get counted and which candidates were unfairly helped or hurt.

Much better to invest time and effort in forcing AZ and the other Republican-controlled states to do this right in the fall. And that's not going to be easy at all, because their whole goal is to suppress the Democratic vote. It's how the Republicans plan to win.

[Vinca]

18. I think having another election is unrealistic.

Maybe the results should be tossed and the number of delegates required to win the nomination adjusted accordingly. At this point the focus should be on making sure everyone can vote in November.

[MisterP]

31. well if Purcell can do it, how hard can it be?!

[Vinca]

35. It's not hard. The only hope is having someone with integrity in charge.

In any case, the biggest worry of all re election fraud is hacking in the general. It would be so easy to give this election to someone via computer.

[Skid Rogue]

19. I passed on it.

It's 100% up to AZ's Democratic Party. Hillary won by more than 15% and it was a closed primary. Hillary had over 72000 more votes than Bernie. If it's legitimate "large-scale" voter suppression, some Hillary voters were disenfranchised, as well. (Do we have any evidence of that?) Those facts aren't going away. So, I don't believe it would change the outcome. However, if AZ's Democratic Party feels it's necessary, who am I to argue.

[LiberalFighter]

23. If this was a regular primary election that only determined the winner

I would say yes it would not change the outcome.

But this determines how many delegates candidates receive so it could change the number of delegates. If election results had numbers for each congressional district it might show whether it might make a difference. Unfortunately, Maricopa County is run by idiots that don't understand those numbers are important.

I'm going to make a wild guess and say that about 50,000 votes is equivalent to 1 delegate but it is probably less than that as I believe Maricopa has more than one congressional district inside it.

[Skid Rogue]

32. I understand your point.

The Party would have to weigh the impact of those proportional delegates, compared to the expense of holding another election.

Anyway you cut it, the party needs to get its act together before the GE.

[LiberalFighter]

53. It is not the Party that is at fault.

It is mostly Maricopa County Recorder, Helen Purcell's fault for using only 60 voting locations.

The BMV issue is also not the Party's fault. That is the fault of the BMV or both BMV and voter.

[Barack_America]

22. The other option is to have the delegates not seated.

Like MI in 2008.

That was done in 2008 because the primary was not in keeping with party rules. One could make a similar argument with AZ this year.

[LiberalFighter]

24. Michigan was not seated because they held it when they weren't suppose to.

There is no rule that I am aware of that involves this. If there was it would likely only affect Maricopa County.

[Barack_America]

26. I'm aware why MI was not seated.

My question regards the existence of other election standards in the DNC playbook.

Personally, I find not seating the delegates more practical than repeating an election.

[LiberalFighter]

54. I would disagree.

It would disenfranchise Arizona completely when it was not the State Party's fault as was the case in Michigan and Florida.

All State Party plans have been approved by the DNC which is pretty much boilerplate requiring equality of gender and encouraging diversity. As long as they go by their plan their delegates should be fine.

[JoePhilly]

25. So disenfranchise everyone?

[Barack_America]

27. I guess so. Delegates have gone unseated for less.

[JoePhilly]

30. Like what lessor event?

You might as well argue that caucus states should not have their delegates seated. Those aren't real elections.

Or states that voted for the GOP candidate in the prior General Election should not be seated.

[Barack_America]

33. Scheduling a fair primary on the wrong day.

I'm not advocating in favor of this, I just see it as a more practical response than a "do over".

[JoePhilly]

40. Dems breaking the rules versus GOP breaking the rules.

No comparison.

[-none]

36. For one state, yes. That would be the fairest thing to do.

The other 49 states can determine the winner this time around.
It is obvious that there was something very wrong with the Arizona Democratic primary. Set the results aside and work on fixing the problem so it does not occur in future elections, primary or general.

[Demsrule86]

28. There are no do-overs...

The GOP has used eliminating polling places to disenfranchise all Dem voters and particularly Peope of color. Just wait until the election if this is not fixed. Nothing to do with Clinton or Bernie

[Zira]

41. There are any do overs anyone wants to do. And there should be on in this case.

And you are right, it has to be corrected because what will happen in Nov if they don't.

[yardwork]

42. Exactly.

[Onlooker]

29. Only if there's evidence that there would have been a substantially different outcome

It's hard to see how the results discriminated vastly against one candidate more than another. The big worry would be if Hillary or Bernie are only leading the other by one or two elected delegates. If that happens, then maybe there would be a good case for a revote, though I doubt it will happen.

[PonyUp]

46. And ban all bullhorns from polling places. n/t

[Else You Are Mad]

52. Yes.

I believe every County needs to revote ASAP. But, such won't happen because will be tied up in courts for years. This is what happens when the old guard establishment tries to pull it's usual fraud in the social media age. Just wait, this will happen in Manny more statescounties. Hopefully this BS ends up with serious criminal charges for those responsible.