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blueintelligentsia

(507 posts)
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:09 AM Mar 2016

If HRC wins WI, 86.2% White American, will she be criticised b/c it's mostly white?

I think she will, to the same standards as Bernie Sanders, the MSM is very objective and accurately reported that Hawaii, Alaska, and Washington are 3/10 states with the lowest non-white populations and diverse (especially Hawaii, 25% non-white).

http://www.snopes.com/alaska-hawaii-washington-voters/

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If HRC wins WI, 86.2% White American, will she be criticised b/c it's mostly white? (Original Post) blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 OP
Yep, it's that accurate, unbiased reporting that... dchill Mar 2016 #1
It's ok, good practice for the GE, when you cast your vote....n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #2
it's political analysis , Clinton's lack of support from many groups was mentioned JI7 Mar 2016 #3
Good point JI7, they mentioned it with complete objectivity, now to move forward...n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #4
Iowa is a very diverse state since Hillary won it jfern Mar 2016 #5
jfern....way off base with that comment....shame on you, n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #6
Hawaii sure ContinentalOp Mar 2016 #7
Non-hispanic....why don't we go with the most diverse states...lookie here... blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #13
That's the percentage of people who identify as being mixed race. ContinentalOp Mar 2016 #16
.... blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #17
You do realize this type of argument marginalizes the struggles of blacks and Latinos ... Onlooker Mar 2016 #8
Adams county Washington is 61% Hispanic, and Bernie got 74% of the vote there jfern Mar 2016 #10
Obviously, Bernie isn't shut out ... Onlooker Mar 2016 #11
Native American and Alaska Native (2013) Behind the Aegis Mar 2016 #14
I absolutely don't mean to minimize the value of any individual's vote BUT ContinentalOp Mar 2016 #12
Well if she wins WI the primary is essentially over, so it won't really matter (nt) Recursion Mar 2016 #9
We should spread this link about acceptable Voter ID in Wisconsin Eric J in MN Mar 2016 #15

dchill

(42,660 posts)
1. Yep, it's that accurate, unbiased reporting that...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:12 AM
Mar 2016

gets her every time.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

JI7

(93,617 posts)
3. it's political analysis , Clinton's lack of support from many groups was mentioned
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:28 AM
Mar 2016

after new hampshire and she was able to make improvements in many places to win.

Clinton didn't campaign in those 3 states and Sanders needs to do much better with hispanics if he wants to win California. and sanders NEEDS california .

ContinentalOp

(5,356 posts)
7. Hawaii sure
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:56 AM
Mar 2016

But I'm not sure where this idea that Alaska and Washington are in the top 10 lowest non-white populations is coming from. Here's a ranking of the states with the lowest non-hispanic white populations (top half + D.C.)

Hawaii - Sanders
D.C. - TBD
California - TBD
New Mexico - TBD
Texas - Clinton
Nevada - Clinton
Maryland - TBD
Georgia - Clinton
Florida - Clinton
Arizona - Clinton
New York - TBD
Mississippi - Clinton
New Jersey - TBD
Louisiana - Clinton
Alaska - Sanders
Illinois - Clinton
Virginia - Clinton
South Carolina - Clinton
Delaware - TBD
North Carolina - Clinton
Alabama - Clinton
Oklahoma - Sanders
Colorado - Sanders
Conneticut - TBD
Washington - Sanders
Arkansas - Clinton

ranking from here
http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/all-states/white-not-hispanic-population-percentage#chart

 

blueintelligentsia

(507 posts)
13. Non-hispanic....why don't we go with the most diverse states...lookie here...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:58 AM
Mar 2016


Oh and here: White alone, not Hispanic or Latino.

ContinentalOp

(5,356 posts)
16. That's the percentage of people who identify as being mixed race.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:02 PM
Mar 2016

Which is a pretty strange way to measure overall diversity. It's nice that 4.4% of Washingtonians identify that way but it doesn't change the fact that Washington is 71% white, 12% Hispanic or Latino, and 4% African American which makes it just about average compared to other states. It's nowhere near the top 10 for diversity on any of those measurements.

Also the second graph you posted there where Alaska is 7th is "white alone", not "white alone, not hispanic or latino." That's a misleading metric to use because it underestimates the diversity of states with large hispanic populations.

 

blueintelligentsia

(507 posts)
17. ....
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:24 PM
Mar 2016

That's the percentage of people who identify as being mixed race, which is a pretty strange way to measure overall diversity.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
8. You do realize this type of argument marginalizes the struggles of blacks and Latinos ...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:15 AM
Mar 2016

... Yes, Bernie does well among Asians and perhaps he does well among Native Americans, which is significant (though Hillary did win Arizona and Texas). But, the real point of the issue is that the blacks and Latinos have faced a level of oppression and suffer from a degree of poverty that few others have experienced. To marginalize them by pointing out that Bernie does well among Asians I think some might find a bit insulting.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
10. Adams county Washington is 61% Hispanic, and Bernie got 74% of the vote there
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:32 AM
Mar 2016

And I'm pretty sure Native Americans have had poverty as bad as anyone else.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
11. Obviously, Bernie isn't shut out ...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:39 AM
Mar 2016

... I'm sure there are many places where Bernie has done well among minorities, just as there are many places where Hillary does well among youth, but in general both Bernie and Hillary face respective obstacles. And, yes, I agree with you about Native Americans, but am not really sure who is leading there. There are no polls, and Hillary has done well in states like Texas, Arizona, and Florida. Even in Washington, Hillary had some pretty good support from tribal leaders.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/politics/article/Tribal-leaders-throw-pre-caucus-support-to-7100031.php

Behind the Aegis

(56,108 posts)
14. Native American and Alaska Native (2013)
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 04:02 AM
Mar 2016

Alaska - 14.7% -- Sanders (81.6)
New Mexico - 10.4
Oklahoma - 9 -- Sanders (51.9)
SD - 8.9
Montana - 6.5
ND - 5.4
Arizona - 5.3 -- Clinton (57.6)
Wyoming - 2.6
Washington - 1.9 -- Sanders (72.7)
Oregon - 1.8
California - 1.7
Idaho - 1.7 -- Sanders (78)
Colorado - 1.6 -- Sanders (59)
Nevada - 1.6 -- Clinton (52.6)
NC - 1.6 -- Clinton (54.6)
Utah - 1.5 -- Sanders (79.3)
Minnesota - 1.3 -- Sanders (61.6)
Nebraska - 1.3 -- Sanders (57.1)
Kansas - 1.1 -- Sanders (67.7)
Wisconsin - 1.1

All other states are 1% or less in regards to NA populations. So, of the top 20 states with greater than 1% population of Native Americans, Sanders won 9 of those states (6 of them with greater than 60% of the vote) and Clinton won 3.

http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/all-states/american-indian-and-alaskan-native-population-percentage#chart

ContinentalOp

(5,356 posts)
12. I absolutely don't mean to minimize the value of any individual's vote BUT
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:57 AM
Mar 2016

I had never heard of Adams county so I had to look it up. You're talking about a county with about 20,000 people. WA has 7 million people and 230k participated in the caucus, so that's less than 3.5% of the population. For Adams county, say 700 people participated. So you're talking maybe 420 hispanic caucus participants, 310 of whom voted for Sanders?

Eric J in MN

(35,639 posts)
15. We should spread this link about acceptable Voter ID in Wisconsin
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 04:10 AM
Mar 2016

...so fewer people are disenfranchised:

http://bringit.wisconsin.gov/do-i-have-right-photo-id

The Republican governor, Scott Walker, signed a Voter ID law to make it harder to vote. Then he refused to spend money allocated by the state legislature to educate people about the ID they'll need.

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