Can you imagine Bernie's poll numbers if Corporate McPravda operated under the Fairness Doctrine?

[Octafish]

Freaking Donald Trump gets almost $2 billion in free air time.

Sanders is described as a socialist for a $ few million and that's about it.

The INTERNET is where people KNOW and talk about Bernie Sanders.

More and more people are getting their info without CIABCNNBCBSFoxnutjobs.

And that's a good thing, especially if you believe in Democracy.

[upaloopa]

1. I thought Bernie has been saying the same things for 40 years

How do you know what he has been saying all those years before the Internet?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

3. After the convention you are going to be very happy Bernie is on your side.

We need to get back to that, this is assuming Hillary gets the nod.

[upaloopa]

4. It's about time you all quit with that line of thinking every time

you lack for something.

Personally I don't care what any of you on this board do in November. You don't represent the majority of voters.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

6. Did yo misunderstand me? I meant that if Hillary is the nominee, Bernie will support her

and you will find Bernie a great partner in the years ahead as he works in the Senate with President Clinton.

[upaloopa]

8. Yes I misunderstood you

By the way Jackie Wilson was one of my favorite singers when I was growing up in the 50's and 60's

[Octafish]

5. He was all over the evening news. Not.

Radio via Thom Hartmann for a while. So, after that more INTERNET.

Regarding Bernie's record, that's a good thing.

Regarding Hillary's...

Pundits tout Clinton’s foreign policy cred. As Secretary of State she no doubt took copious notes but she’s wrong on every issue she and Sanders dispute. She says her Iraq war vote was a long time ago and anyway she apologized but her theory of the case resembles Jeb Bush’s. (She blames W. Jeb blames the staff) As Secretary she applied her Iraq War logic to Libya and Syria. She promoted fracking, bugged the office of the U.N. Secretary General and meddled illegally in a Honduran coup. At what point is her experience cancelled out by her inability to learn from it? And does Bernie ever get credit for being right?

-- Bill Curry

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/29/we_must_smash_the_clinton_machine_democratic_elites_and_the_media_sold_out_to_hillary_this_time_but_change_is_coming/

...not so much.

How about you, upaloopa? What makes you say "Bernie's been saying the same things for 40 years"?

[upaloopa]

7. I have been following Hillary since she was campaigning for Bill Clinton

I sure as hell don't need a Bernie supporter to tell me about Hillary

[Octafish]

10. Then let me tell you about UBS.

UBS is a Swiss bank that is enjoying better days, thanks to the US taxpayer and a number of key US political leaders.

Hillary Helps a Bank—and Then It Funnels Millions to the Clintons

The Wall Street Journal’s eyebrow-raising story of how the presidential candidate and her husband accepted cash from UBS without any regard for the appearance of impropriety that it created.

by CONOR FRIEDERSDORF, The Atlantic, JUL 31, 2015

The Swiss bank UBS is one of the biggest, most powerful financial institutions in the world. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton intervened to help it out with the IRS. And after that, the Swiss bank paid Bill Clinton $1.5 million for speaking gigs. The Wall Street Journal reported all that and more Thursday in an article that highlights huge conflicts of interest that the Clintons have created in the recent past.

The piece begins by detailing how Clinton helped the global bank.

“A few weeks after Hillary Clinton was sworn in as secretary of state in early 2009, she was summoned to Geneva by her Swiss counterpart to discuss an urgent matter. The Internal Revenue Service was suing UBS AG to get the identities of Americans with secret accounts,” the newspaper reports. “If the case proceeded, Switzerland’s largest bank would face an impossible choice: Violate Swiss secrecy laws by handing over the names, or refuse and face criminal charges in U.S. federal court. Within months, Mrs. Clinton announced a tentative legal settlement—an unusual intervention by the top U.S. diplomat. UBS ultimately turned over information on 4,450 accounts, a fraction of the 52,000 sought by the IRS.”

Then reporters James V. Grimaldi and Rebecca Ballhaus lay out how UBS helped the Clintons. “Total donations by UBS to the Clinton Foundation grew from less than $60,000 through 2008 to a cumulative total of about $600,000 by the end of 2014, according to the foundation and the bank,” they report. “The bank also joined the Clinton Foundation to launch entrepreneurship and inner-city loan programs, through which it lent $32 million. And it paid former president Bill Clinton $1.5 million to participate in a series of question-and-answer sessions with UBS Wealth Management Chief Executive Bob McCann, making UBS his biggest single corporate source of speech income disclosed since he left the White House.”

The article adds that “there is no evidence of any link between Mrs. Clinton’s involvement in the case and the bank’s donations to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, or its hiring of Mr. Clinton.” Maybe it’s all a mere coincidence, and when UBS agreed to pay Bill Clinton $1.5 million the relevant decision-maker wasn’t even aware of the vast sum his wife may have saved the bank or the power that she will potentially wield after the 2016 presidential election.

SNIP...

As McClatchy noted last month in a more broadly focused article that also mentions UBS, “Ten of the world’s biggest financial institutions––including UBS, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Goldman Sachs––have hired Bill Clinton numerous times since 2004 to speak for fees totaling more than $6.4 million. Hillary Clinton also has accepted speaking fees from at least one bank. And along with an 11th bank, the French giant BNP Paribas, the financial goliaths also donated as much as $24.9 million to the Clinton Foundation––the family’s global charity set up to tackle causes from the AIDS epidemic in Africa to climate change.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

About UBS Wealth Management

It's Buy Partisan

After his exit from the US Senate, Phil Gramm found a job at Swiss bank UBS as vice chairman. He later brought on former President Bill Clinton. What a coincidence, they are the two key figures in repealing Glass-Steagal. Since the New Deal it was the financial regulation that protected the US taxpayer from the Wall Street casino. Oh well, what's a $16 trillion bailout among friends?



It's a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:

President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush Heh heh heh.
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

One of my attorney chums doesn't like to see his name on any committees, event letterhead or political campaign literature. These folks, it seems to me, are past caring.

Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.



The fact the nation's "news media" isn't really following this story should also be of great concern -- for the 99-percent.

Oh. You're welcome, upaloopa!

[upaloopa]

13. If I wanted to know about USB I would research it on my own

You can believe me when I tell you I will not seek information about Hillary from you

[Octafish]

14. Then start a thread about how much you know. You can add in Jackson Stephens and BCCI.

An important client of attorney Hillary R. Clinton:

Clinton's Wealth Of Support An Arkansas Family Has Been A Backer, And A Source Of Controversy.

By Barbara Demick
PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER STAFF WRITER, January 17, 1993

EXCERPT...

Worthen is partly owned by the Stephens family, one of the richest in America. And the Stephens family, headed by oilman and investment banker Jackson Stephens, and its businesses did more than anyone to bankroll Clinton's political ascendancy.

Early in the game, the Stephenses raised $100,000 in Arkansas to get Clinton's candidacy up and running. Then last spring, when Clinton was trailing both George Bush and Ross Perot, Worthen Bank supplied the cash- starved campaign with a $3.5 million line of credit.

Jim Wells, a vice president in Merrill Lynch & Co.'s Memphis office, evokes a revealing aphorism about money and politics.

"Money is like rain. It is not just getting the rain, but when you get it that counts. And (the Stephens money) was like rain from heaven," he said.

"Nobody knows how influential Mr. Stephens will be in the next administration, but I would be surprised if his counsel isn't called on from time to time."

CONTINUED...

http://articles.philly.com/1993-01-17/news/25959645_1_worthen-bank-stephens-family-bill-clinton

And DU2 provides a nice overview of how BCCI comes in here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=977792&mesg_id=985500

That was 2004. Didn't notice you contributing much on the subject then, upaloopa, like now.

People interested in learning more about how Big Money got to corrupt US politics via can catch up here:

The BCCI Affair

[upaloopa]

15. No

[Octafish]

16. Something else to learn: Harold Pinter - Nobel Lecture on Truth, War and the Big Lie

Reading can be hard. It's like writing, that way. Here's what a great writer has to say about Truth:

[Jackie Wilson Said]

2. Well, first thing would be Cruz, Kasich or Rubio would have received

far more coverage.

I am wondering how many people see network coverage in the first place.

Nobody reads magazines anymore, or newspapers.

They dont watch news per se, in any large numbers.

Scary when you think this is how someone like Trump gets going, using social media and LACK of proper media attention.

[Octafish]

11. Trump was a tee vee ''personality'' in the mold of Marilyn Monroe.

A media creation. A manster. A star as commodity:

https://books.google.com/books?id=jcCADouuE_UC&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=%22star+image%22+analysis+and+criticism&source=bl&ots=A8qMhWf1Zu&sig=CJFJVchmRl6F9huLFZDq2FAUpCc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjB6bC9webLAhXBTSYKHS4LA_EQ6AEIKjAB#v=onepage&q=%22star%20image%22%20analysis%20and%20criticism&f=false

How many interviews? How many tee vee shows of his own? Miss Universe? Dancing with Stars? Firing people? And for what? To run for prez.

[Uncle Joe]

9. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Octafish.

[Octafish]

12. You are most welcome, Uncle Joe. Did you see how Trump gets his ''Edge''?

It's more than "Bad Breath™." From Lone Wattie's lips to Great GOOGLE's Hindmost Tentacle:

One Upmanship. Put down the opponent before "negotiations" get started. Low Energy...Little Guy...Spilled Goods...