Bernie is a NATIVE NEW YORKER! C'mon New York, you can welcome home a Native Son..

[highprincipleswork]

who represents some of the best you have to offer.

https://vimeo.com/14219280

[beam me up scottie]

1. Awesome!

Let's hear it for Brooklyn bad boy Bernie!

[enid602]

73. berb

According to the song: "you're a native New Yorker, you should know the score by now..." apparently he doesn't.

[Jitter65]

191. Hillary is a RESIDENT New Yorker.!! nt

[Tanuki]

193. A New Yorker by her own choice!

[NuclearDem]

2. Maybe the New York constituents who've sent him to Congress for two decades

will vote for him in April.

[highprincipleswork]

10. See answer below to other poster who tries to rain on the parade.

[NuclearDem]

12. Apparently 71% of New York Democrats disagree with you.

[highprincipleswork]

13. We'll see, but this was meant for believers, in New York and Bernie...

I would bet that you're possibly neither.

If all you like is New York, then at least say something nice about the videos.

[synergie]

16. Then post it in the place for believers, and not in the GD-P.

New Yorkers are smart enough to see through Bernie, and that's why they're not enthused about voting for him.

If you're troubled by the lack of believers, then might I suggest the Bernie group, where you shall hear the adulation you seek and nary a word will be allowed that might be blasphemous.

[Ken Burch]

21. There's no good reason for voters in one of the most progressive states in the country

to ever prefer the least-progressive candidate they could choose.

And using phrases like "see through Bernie" implies that the guy is a fraud. Whatever else you can call him, you can't call him that.

[synergie]

28. Which is why they're preferring HRC. Yes, his policy platforms and his previous

posts are ones that are not the "most progressive", and if one is being honest, one can and should address the difference between his rhetoric and his history. You can indeed call him that and with honesty and evidence to back it up.

NY is preferring the actual progressive candidate whose record they know first hand and whom they know is not only a progressive and a Democrat, and has the record to prove it.

Bernie and his campaign's conduct in the past months as the losses pile up and the he loses the popular vote and the pledged delegate vote state that he's a fraud. So much for that much vaunted integrity and consistency.

[Ken Burch]

29. Bernie is the most progressive on what really matters.

If we don't challenge corporate power, we can never defeat institutional bigotry...corporate power is what keeps institutional bigotry in place.

If we don't end the fear of being plunged instantly into poverty that capitalism maintains, we can never defeat grassroots bigotry, because the only reason grassroots bigotry survives is through the manipulation of the fear of want. If that fear were removed, grassroots bigotry would die a natural death.

If we don't massively reduce income inequality, we can't create the social stability needed to end backlash politics.

If we don't pull back on militarism, we can never do anything humane or progressive in the world...no war can ever again liberate anyone, and nothing can ever happen in any war that can ever be feminist or anti-poverty.

[synergie]

36. No, he's not. He's not progressive at all on what really matters to a majority

of voters.

Sorry, but Bernie has no actual plans to address institutional bigotry or racism, he isn't going to somehow destroy capitalism, nor can he even address income inequality.

He quite literally has no actual plans, and his high minded ideals might sound good, anyone looking for anything actionable, or any details find a whole lot of nothing.

Even your attempts to praise Bernie don't really have any substance, or coherence.

This is why real progressives are not fooled by Bernie, and why his policy stances, and his voting record don't actually impress anyone.

You want a progressive, who is feminist, actually understands things beyond a single issue/view of the world, who will actually accomplish solid goals that effect people's everyday lives? You don't vote for Bernie. NY and most of the rest of the country know this, it's why Bernie is losing.

Real progressives need more than rhetoric, they need actual progression.

[Skid Rogue]

37. Great post. Thanks!!!

[synergie]

40. You're very welcome :-) We really do need to inject some positivity

around here, all that negativity that Bernie and his people are flinging around really is oppressive!

[Ken Burch]

41. increments can never be progression...especially tiny increments.

That's why the Civil Rights Act of 1964 mattered and the Civil Rights Act of 1957(the one that did nothing at all to stop or even limit white Southern violence) didn't.

If nothing else, you'd have to concede that we won't be able to do anything progressive at home if HRC keeps us in the unwinnable wars in Syria and Ukraine...wars in which there is no side fighting for anything progressive or even positive.

[synergie]

43. I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense, do you not understand how increments or

progression work? It's actually by increments that progress is made. The Civil Rights Act has nothing to do with the myriad of issues this nation faces.

No, i don't have to concede anything, since what you're saying literally makes zero sense. I thought you were about promoting humanitarian work, feminism etc, in other countries, or do you think that we should just be isolationist and just look the other way when horrible things happen? How did that work for us and millions of people in the run up to WWII?

Really? The people fighting to stay alive and not be killed by Isis, have their daughters kidnapped and used sex slaves and forced brides are not fighting for something "positive"? And it's "progressive" to turn a blind eye to such devastation?

You have some mighty odd ideas about what words mean, and what is progressive and what is not. When you actually bother to learn about what it is going on in the world, the wide world not just about income inequality, you realize all the many things that require us to do something, even if they're small things, because you make progress one step at time. That's just how progress works.

[Ken Burch]

46. There is nothing militarily we can do in Syria. We all know it.

Just defeating ISIS(which is probably impossible) wouldn't change anything. The other armed factions in Syria differ only in degree from ISIS's values. None are feminist, none offer a program of actual change, and none think that gay people deserve to live.

And there is no armed faction in Syria that is fighting for anything but power for itself.

And getting rid of Assad would do nothing at all to stop ISIS.

We should focus just on humanitarian work in the world now. Just doing good rather than doing harm.

As regards to the Thirties...we should have refused to ever recognize Hitler as the leader of the German government, withdrawn the recognition of Mussolini that Harding, Coolidge and Hoover extended, economically blockaded those countries starting in 1933 rather than 1938(when it was already too late to matter), supported the Spanish Republic, and taken in all refugees from fascism and Naziism(including every Jewish person in Europe), while organizing the able-bodied among them into anti-fascist militias.

Those steps would have brought down Hitler, prevented the Holocaust, and made World War II completely unnecessary.

As for the present, we could freeze Saudi, Turkish(Turkey and the House of Saud pretty much underwrite ISIS) and Syrian assets in the U.S, and take in the Syrian refugees until the fighting stops. Those steps are bound to be much more effective than anything military we are doing or might do.

There are a lot of ways to be present in the world, to play an active role in the world, without killing people.

We can't do anything militarily in Syria but make life worse.

[synergie]

78. I find it helps to actually understand how foreign policy and the real world work

when discussing things that are rather complicated and require an actual understanding of what's going on.

The things you typed seem very nice in theory, but they don't seem to into account much of reality. It's what happens when the depth of knowledge is not there, and one has only a superficial understanding of the world.

There are indeed many ways to be present in the world, and simply having a military presence doesn't equate to "killing people" that's a nonsensical thing to say. We can do a great many things in the world, without closing our eyes, shutting down our brains and imagining we can skip into any part of the world doing "humanitarian" things without military backing. Even the organizations whose main work is humanitarian projects rely on the military (ours and those of our allies) to make that work possible.

Taking the option off the table is madness, as is assuming that military always means war and killing.

[choie]

127. Like what?

Bernie is the real progressive. To say Clinton is a progressive is a damn joke. So, now tell me - what is Clinton for that the "majority of progressives" suppport...

[Depaysement]

130. Oh really?

Hillary was my Senator for 8 years. Cui Bono? Not me nor anyone in my neighborhood.

Hillary. Did. Nothing.

[Smarmie Doofus]

154. She did LESS than nothing.

She actively assisted in launching an unprovoked war of aggression in the middle east, the consequences of which have taken on the dimensions of global *catastrophe*.

[Depaysement]

185. Well I agree

But I am talking locally. For decades, NY had a glamour Senator and a workhorse Senator. She wasn't exactly the workhorse.

[Tanuki]

186. She wasn't a senator "for decades."

The New York Times' endorsement certainly gives her a lot more credit than you do, but then they are basing their assessment on accurate information:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/opinion/sunday/hillary-clinton-endorsement.html

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
....Democratic primary voters, on the other hand, after a substantive debate over real issues, have the chance to nominate one of the most broadly and deeply qualified presidential candidates in modern history.
..........
...... Mr. Sanders does not have the breadth of experience or policy ideas that Mrs. Clinton offers. His boldest proposals — to break up the banks and to start all over on health care reform with a Medicare-for-all system — have earned him support among alienated middle-class voters and young people. But his plans for achieving them aren’t realistic, while Mrs. Clinton has very good, and achievable, proposals in both areas.

.......Mrs. Clinton is a strong advocate of sensible and effective measures to combat the plague of firearms; Mr. Sanders’s record on guns is relatively weak. Her economic proposals for financial reform reflect a deep understanding of the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform act, including the ways in which it has fallen short. She supports changes that the country badly needs, like controls on high-frequency trading and stronger curbs on bank speculation in derivatives.
..........

One of the most attractive parts of Mrs. Clinton’s economic platform is her pledge to support the well-being and rights of working Americans. Her lifelong fight for women bolsters her credibility in this area, since so many of the problems with labor law hit women the hardest, including those involving child care, paid sick leave, unstable schedules and low wages for tipped workers.
............
As secretary of state, Mrs. Clinton worked tirelessly, and with important successes, for the nation’s benefit. She was the secretary President Obama needed and wanted: someone who knew leaders around the world, who brought star power as well as expertise to the table. The combination of a new president who talked about inclusiveness and a chief diplomat who had been his rival but shared his vision allowed the United States to repair relations around the world that had been completely trashed by the previous administration.
......
Mrs. Clinton helped make it possible to impose tougher sanctions on Iran, which in turn led to the important nuclear deal now going into effect. She also fostered closer cooperation with Asian countries. She worked to expand and deepen the dialogue with China and to increase Washington’s institutional ties to the region. Mrs. Clinton had rebuked China when she was first lady for its treatment of women, and she criticized the Beijing government’s record on human rights even as she worked to improve relations.

(more at link)

[Depaysement]

187. No one said she was "a Senator for decades"

Don't intentionally misconstrue what I wrote.

Look at what you posted and tell me exactly what she did for her constituents while she was a Senator from NY.

And as for her term as SOS, the tens of thousands of dead Iraqis, Libyans and others might dispute her greatness - if they could speak from the grave.

She has few, if any, concrete accomplishments that warrant the adulation bestowed upon her.

[Tanuki]

188. "For decades, NY had a glamour Senator and a workhorse Senator. She wasn't exactly the workhorse"

How did I "intentionally misconstrue" that? What did you actually mean?

[Depaysement]

189. New York has two Senators, like every other state

For decades, no matter who was in the Senate, one Senator tended to be the workhorse and the other the glamour Senator

Moynihan was the glamour Senator and D'Amato, for all his other faults, was a workhorse in the 80s and 90s. D'Amato's staff did a lot of constituent work. Then Schumer beat him and assumed the same role, a lot of thankless but important constituent work - a little money for roads in poor areas, social security checks getting to people, etc. That's the stuff people often rely on to keep things going.

From 2000-2008, Hillary assumed the role of the glamour Senator.

[Tanuki]

190. Speaking of Sen. Shumer, he is giving her a rousing intro at her Harlem appearance, right now!

Live from Apollo Theatre on C-Span, if you are near a tv.

[Depaysement]

192. That's nice

I might have to skip it. I've seen the Senator introduce her before.

[enid602]

194. employer

I don't know if his anti Wall St message will resonate in NY. It's their major employer for chrissakes.

[highprincipleswork]

50. I don't hide myself in some protected bubble.

I'd wager you're not even a New Yorker.

[synergie]

63. It would seem that you insist on dragging your protected bubble with you wherever you

go. It would seem that you would lose your wager, though I suspect that goalposts would be moved many times in desperate denial of that loss.

[highprincipleswork]

175. I'm not living in denial. The post was to celebrate New York and Bernie together. You...

don't like it and assert you're a New Yorker. Could be. Didn't even get a kick out of the videos or the images at all. You're just all dissing of Bernie and glorifying of Hillary, and then you throw some amateur psychology in for good measure.

[LiberalElite]

156. It belongs right HERE nt

[bettyellen]

79. the videos are awesome- thank you!

[beam me up scottie]

27. Ignore them, her supporters have been sneering at Bernie's Brooklyn accent all along.

They don't recognize an honest politician with an authentic accent since their candidate's accents change depending on where she is.

[riversedge]

57. ha ha

[elleng]

3. YES!

[PonyUp]

4. Brooklyn boy!

[Beacool]

6. Who left NY decades ago.

Hillary was the first woman NY sent to the Senate and she served for 8 years. The Clintons live in Chappaqua, the family foundation's headquarters are in NY, Bill still has an office in Harlem, her daughter and family live in Manhattan.

If Sanders thinks that he'll win NY, he's deluding himself.

[highprincipleswork]

7. You couldn't keep it positive, cud you? You know wha? Hillary does not feel NY, she is not from NY.

They may think of her well (or not), but blood is blood, and she is from out of town.

BERNIE SANDERS HAS EVERY GOOD CHANCE OF TAKING NEW YORK, and he is a Native Son. I would like any and all Bernie supporters out there to GOTV in New York like you never have before. We've got a good story, and good chance. Just be sure to check your voting registration, and to suggest that other do too.

Perhaps he can send Hillary back to Arkansas or to suburban Park Ridge, Illinois, where she really came from.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/clinton-popularity-new-york-takes-plunge-article-1.2368270

[Skid Rogue]

14. She's already beat two Native Sons pretty handily...

and those men had spent their entire lives NYC and Yonkers.

Seriously, he'd be better off sticking with his message.

[Beacool]

15. Sanders is not going to win NY, that's just not going to happen.

Despite the link you attached from September, as per a mid March poll, she outpolls Sanders in NY by 34.5%.

[azurnoir]

19. yes sorta like she did in Michigan oh BTW how's her deep concern for the people of Flint going?

or is she saving that for the GE?

[NuclearDem]

20. Michigan was an open primary where a large number of voters switched last minute.

New York is a closed primary that required people who wanted to switch to do so months ago.

How did Ohio work out for Sanders again?

[azurnoir]

22. ah so limiting voter participation is the winning ticket for Clinton

interesting indeed

[NuclearDem]

24. Caucuses, are on the other hand, are notoriously accessible contests.

[azurnoir]

26. umm ya go with that

clean up on aisle

[Tanuki]

34. I'm glad you asked. Do you know about her Flint Water Works

initiative, launched this month, which is providing 100 jobs replacing pipes, distributing clean water, etc.? She is in it for the long haul, obviously. Thanks for asking, as it gave me an opportunity to point out one of the many programs she is involved in there.



http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/03/06/chelsea-clinton-flint-mayor-announce-new-jobs-program/81403878/

[azurnoir]

87. again article dated before the primary

[synergie]

38. Pretty well, actually.

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2016/03/flint_water_initiative_with_hi.html

Has Bernie bothered to learn the Mayor's name yet? Does he even know what's going on?

[azurnoir]

86. LOl article dated before the primary

[synergie]

89. If you read it, you'll understand how ongoing projects were set up and funded.

LOL, not a clue about what the article said, huh?

That's kind of sad, azurnoir. So, what has Bernie done, since he couldn't even be bothered to meet the Mayor or go to Flint, instead making them drive all the way into Detroit to meet with him.

If you're going to criticize in such a facile manner, you might want to read the article, and have prepared some rebuttal about how Bernie is currently doing or has ever done anything at all for Flint.

We'll wait.

[azurnoir]

93. I asked a question the defensive retorts say all that need be said

she had a part in setting up a rather small group of folks to work on the problem

[riversedge]

58. Shame on you for demeaning her help to the people of Flint. Shame Shame

[azurnoir]

88. asking is not demeaning

[synergie]

91. Nope the demeaning is accomplished by the LOLing and not quite understanding

the answer when it's given to you.

[azurnoir]

94. oh I understood as did the voters of Michigan

[riversedge]

96. You post was mocking her help. SHAME ON YOU

[synergie]

18. How was that not positive? Because it didn't attack Hillary?

I'm sorry, but he's not well regarded in NY, and while you may have a good story, it's not one that many people are buying.

What is all this "send people back to where they really came from" nonsense? That sounds like something that Trump and his supporters have been saying, can we please leave right wing phrases like that to the right wingers?

[LiberalElite]

157. ^^^^THIS^^^^

[Ken Burch]

32. Chappaqua is the most Republican, white bread part of NY state.

People who live in Chappaqua live there because they never want to see anyone who looks like the majority of the human race.

And Chelsea lives in the most 1% area of NYC.

[synergie]

42. And people live in Burlington for the diversity? Why do you make such silly

comments attacking Hillary and her daughter? How does that make the rather wealthy Senator from a state that doesn't boast much diversity look any better?

Do you know where Bernie's and Jane's kids live? And how his campaign funds that lifestyle? If not, you should find out.

[wilt the stilt]

81. Ken are you from NY

just want to know.

[Ken Burch]

122. No, but Chappaqua has the values of Upstate(even if it's in the NYC suburbs)

And the whole country knows that Upstate is anti-activist right-wing and ultra-conformist(other than maybe Woodstock).

Nobody's a social activist or a labor organizer in Chappaqua in that city, to my knowledge. I doubt there was ever an Occupy Chappaqua(I'd be relieved to be proved wrong on that). Might be pro-choice or pro-LGBTQ folks there because those causes would be considered safe and non-threatening to the power structure(not that they aren't important, they are-it's just that they aren't going to transform life).

It's pretty much like Grosse Point, Michigan or any upscale white suburb anywhere.

[wilt the stilt]

167. Chappaqua is not really upstate

it is westchester county which is typically republican. One of my friends lives there now. i grew up in Yonkers totally blue collar and my dad worked in a factory.

not that you are wrong but hardly upstate. Very influenced by NYC. Upstate is Rochester and Albany. i went to college in rochester and there is no similarity to Chappaqua. many liberals live in Chappaqua no liberals live in rochester.

[Beacool]

173. I agree, it's the suburbs of NYC.

The train ride is about 50 minutes to Grand Central.

[Ken Burch]

174. Ok, it's not Upstate. Other than that, my point stands. n/t.

[Beacool]

172. Chappaqua is not upstate.

The town is in Westchester County, less than an hour from NYC. Real estate there is not much more than in my town. Anything near NYC is expensive.

[JackRiddler]

49. Hillary Clinton betrayed this city in a moment of tragedy

and cast one of the most important votes for a war of aggression that murdered a million people.

NOT IN OUR NAME.

[Beacool]

53. On that note you're wrong.

Around 70% of her constituency approved of her vote at the time.

[JackRiddler]

60. Was there a vote on that war?

No, there was not. Did she know more about what she was doing than the maybe 70% she was fooling in their moment of weakness? Yes, she did! Do most of these 70% now know she was the one who was full of the same bullshit as Bush? Yes they do. Even the conservatives know it was a big lie. The only people finding justifications for this decision are in the Clinton camp.

As for your 70% there was a lot of weighted polling like we're seeing with the current travesty of attempting to avoid the issues and end the election prior to letting the people vote. And despite the repressive atmosphere there were 700,000 people on the street in New York City calling for no war on February 15, 2003. And they were right. And Hillary Clinton was wrong - and more than just wrong.

[Skid Rogue]

64. And she won her next Senate election, 2006, by 31%.

[JackRiddler]

75. Contested by the good Jonathan Tasini at zero budget...

And I mean zero.

This time she's got a real fight on her hands.

And as the industry that stands out among her financers likes to say:

PAST PERFORMANCE DOES NOT ASSURE FUTURE RESULTS.

[Skid Rogue]

82. My point was simply,

that her Iraq war vote didn't have a negative impact on her 2006 Senate Campaign.

[JackRiddler]

83. In an uncontested primary, maybe.

There's no parsing it into components, much as you'd apparently like. Or saying what people think of her continuing imperialist ways today.

[Skid Rogue]

98. I voted for her in 2006.

At that time, her war vote just wasn't a huge issue. Some people wished she had voted differently, including myself, but there was almost none of this warmongering imperialist talk, that was saved for Bush. Remember, Schumer also voted for the war. He's on his 3rd term and he's not being kicked out of office anytime soon.

[JackRiddler]

102. Well hurrah for machine politics.

We apparently move in different circles, you and I.

[Skid Rogue]

108. I guess so. :)

[choie]

132. Well Goody

two people with terrible judgment who are panderers to the more blood thirsty of our citizenry remained in the senate for at least two terms. Ain't that grand?

[wilt the stilt]

85. really she abandoned NY

If you know anything about NY then you would know if she had voted against giving Bush the option she would have been tarred and feathered in NY.

[LiberalFighter]

121. You got that right.

Sure Bernie has ties to New York. But they are 275 miles long. After college he did not return to New York.

After being involved in the "Civil Rights Movement" in college he didn't continue that activism.

Just like I wouldn't support O'Malley because he came from the town I live in.

[choie]

131. Clinton came to New York for one reason

to fill an empty senate seat. Period.

[CalvinballPro]

8. White Flight. Google it. Bernie lived it. nt

[JackRiddler]

76. Imperialist war. Clinton did it.

[geek tragedy]

9. he is a New Yorker like Clinton is from Illinois. nt

[JackRiddler]

105. He is Brooklyn to the bone.

He don't make up no fake accents depending on his audience.

[wilt the stilt]

118. he left a long time ago

i have way more roots than him and i hardly consider myself a new yorker anymore. he abandoned NY for Vermont. home of the runaways from the sixties. the people who couldn't make it in competition.

[hrmjustin]

11. Brooklyn will go for Clinton.

[Ken Burch]

25. All HRC ever did for you was to march in the Pride Parade.

In NYC, that's a meaningless gesture. Giuliani marched in the NYC Pride Parade, as far as that goes.

It involved no risk and no courage.

[hrmjustin]

31. Very condescending Ken. You have no clue what you are talking about and

i am not going to engage you anymore.

Bye.

[Ken Burch]

33. You brought up the Pride Parade thing as if it proved something.

By 1998, it was too late to matter if you marched in the parade. It was a completely empty and risk-free gesture, especially since she was kicking your community in the teeth by lobbying for DOMA at the same time.

[hrmjustin]

35. Ken you are desperate and it shows.

[Ken Burch]

52. You are cheering for an establishment centrist for no reason.

I'm not desperate...I'm just fighting hard for the candidate who fights hardest for all people...including LGBTQ people.

Nothing HRC could do as president could ever make up for the betrayals of DADT and DOMA. She won't have any power in that office to do anything related to marriage equality. And Bernie would fight just as hard as HRC to get ENDA through(and get more Dems elected to vote for it, which HRC can't do).

I don't hate your candidate...why do you hate mine? He has never sold LGBTQ people out on anything.

[hrmjustin]

61. How dare you as a straight man dare to tell me what I as a gay man should think!

I don't need your help to determine who us on my side Ken and you look like a fool trying to tell me what I should think.

I don't need your help and you really just lost my respect in this conversation.

[Ken Burch]

67. You're the one who made the "she marched in the parade" argument.

Since marching in the parade in NYC in 1998 meant nothing(support only matters when it involves political risk), why did you even reference it?

There was no moral difference between DOMA/DADT and the Dred Scott decision. Both were official rejections of an entire groups humanity.

For now I'll just say, I stand with Blue Northwest on LGBTQ issues.

[hrmjustin]

68. Where did I reference this?

[Ken Burch]

71. In many many exchanges between us in the past.

I don't have time to look for them now, but they are there. I wouldn't accuse you of saying something you didn't say. They were posted mainly when you still used the Episcopal crest as your icon.

[hrmjustin]

72. I did not reference it here so why are you bothering me with this?

[hrmjustin]

69. And if you knew what you were talking about you would know she did not March in the Pride

Parade in 1998.

[FloridaBlues]

30. Yep NY will be for Hillary. He doesn't have a chance to win there

[kgnu_fan]

17. kick, kick, kick....!!!

[geek tragedy]

23. Fun fact: Bernie Sanders left Brooklyn 13 years before Alicia Keys was born nt

[Yavin4]

39. Why did he leave?

?

[elleng]

44. Went to college,

'Sanders was born and raised in Brooklyn, New York City, and graduated from the University of Chicago in 1964,'

same as my reason for 'leaving' ny; then 'life' follows.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

[beam me up scottie]

48. Same with my dad except he was drafted first.

He went to college after he got out of the Army, like Bernie he fell in love with the country as a young boy.

[elleng]

51. And my Dad STAYED in NY,

after the Navy (in WWII.) Went to college and law school there, only left (for FLORIDA!) @ age 66!

[beam me up scottie]

56. Yeah, my dad's side of the family is still there.

My mom's side is in Europe, we're all spread out.

[wilt the stilt]

92. He is not a New Yorker

He didn't even go to college there. I grew up in NY and I went to a graduated from a SUNY. I left much later than Bernie did and i hardly consider myself a New Yorker. I have deep ties to NYC including my Mom being born in chinatown and I was baptized in Chinatown.
My grandmother was the most famous chinese bootlegger in NYC and we continued to make rice liquor until my parents left NY in 1973.

The famous restaurant ruby Foo's was my mom, dad, aunt and uncle.

He abandoned NYC in the sixties. He really has no real contact with NY and in fact rejected its lifestyle and diversity for Vermont.

Get real people he is not a New Yorker anymore.

[beam me up scottie]

97. Famous real New Yorkers who know and love their homie Bernie:

[beam me up scottie]

101. What a coincidence! So did Bernie, Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo and Raphael!

Do you like pizza too?

[beam me up scottie]

104. You seem upset. Here's a turtle to cheer you up:

VROOOM!!!

[wilt the stilt]

133. you actually knew their names

something i find particularly weird. An adult knowing the ninja turtle names. something o would not be proud of.

[beam me up scottie]

144. Aww, that one didn't work? How about a turtle and kitteh sharing din din?

[bvf]

110. If you want a laugh, look into

how Otto Preminger abused the shit out of Groucho Marx while filming Skidoo. Asshole had it coming, too.

And Oscar Wilde, you're not. Mayer, maybe.

[wilt the stilt]

112. what dragged otto preminger into this discussion?

grouch is every New Yorker's idol for humor.

[bvf]

124. Well, I just thought you'd appreciate

a good Groucho anecdote, is all. Apparently you're not as big a fan as I was led to believe.

No surprise, there.

[wilt the stilt]

134. not really only saw

every movie including going to see some of the rereleases in the big theaters in NYC.

[bvf]

152. So, in other words,

you know nothing. Watched movies. Good for you.

We're all impressed, believe me.

Geezus fucking Bob, but that's sad.

[wilt the stilt]

159. did you read his letters

and for all I know it was in that book.

[bvf]

165. "...for all I know..."

Precisely.

Ain't much, friend. You"re not kidding anyone.

[wilt the stilt]

166. ?

I read his book like 40 years ago.

[bvf]

177. And haven't learned a lick since, obviously.

And don't PM me, y'hear?

Never much liked chewed toast.

[choie]

137. Why are you talking like

you represent all of us New Yorkers? What the hell are you talking about?

[wilt the stilt]

149. as I said

if you look at my posts I hardly consider myself a New yorker anymore. i did grw up in the fifties in NYC. i was born at polyclinic hospital in manhatten. My Mom was born in Chinatown. When my grandfather died we had dinner at the On Luck Restaurant on mott St. his funeral was in the big church in Chinatown.

My Mom worked at Macy's in Herald sq. My Mom was the cigarette girl and my dad was the head waiter at ruby' foo's(ythe original ) My Uncle was the GM and my Aunt was the hostess.

My mom went to PS 17 and we grew up In Yonkers.

My grandmother had a restaurant caddy corner from Bryant park in the fifties and early sixties. my mom had us jay walking at the age of 4. if you know New York jaywalking is an art for.
i went to the fillmore east many times and the world's fair in'64.

i was in NY until '76. At this point like I said I hardly consider myself a new yorker.

As far as groucho. when we grew up the humor we all admired the quick wit of Grouco marx. He was who everyone copied including Jon Stewart. Write jon stewart and he will tell you his humor is right out of the Groucho marx style.

[choie]

151. Thank you for your family history...

but that still doesn't mean you speak for New Yorkers, nor are you the arbiter of who is or isn't a New Yorker.

[wilt the stilt]

161. likIe said

i hardly consider myself a new yorker and I apply the same standard to bernie. he left a long time ago.

[BeanMusical]

163. Speaking of Jon Stewart:

[wilt the stilt]

164. he has his opinion and I have mine

we both can disagree. i apply the same standard to bernie that i apply to myself. We both left a long time ago.

[Tanuki]

182. This photo appears to be a hoax.

If it is anything other than a dishonest fabrication, please post a link to a genuine endorsement by Stewart.

[choie]

135. jeesus christ you don't know what

the hell you're talking about..

[beam me up scottie]

148. He sure seems to think he does.

Maybe he's not really from New York after all

[bvf]

158. Yeah. Things are looking really dubious right about now.

Remember: he's the Best. Salesman. Ever., IIRC.

Ice cubes and Eskimos, etc.

Doof.

[wilt the stilt]

160. I am only an average salesman

i know my weaknesses. i had to learn to cold call so i was in the mix first. Some top sales people could came in last and steal the sale. Not me. i wasn't good enough so i became a great cold caller.

i have my own business now cold calling. People are knocking down my door to ask me cold call for them. Right now I sell for 2 and cold call for 4.
i do enterprise software sales. i'm good one on one but not so good in a corporation sale. i can't seem to read 2 on 7 which is what a corporate sale is about. You have to read the politics really well. That is not my strong suit.

Top software sales people make a million a year. i know quite a few people who have made that. average ones make 250k at plan. if you don't make plan you lose your job. Big risk big reward.

[bvf]

195. More "look at me" bullshit.

You're a laugh.

[Ken Burch]

54. To go to college and get work.

He never stopped fighting for justice for all, though.

[wilt the stilt]

90. and what job would that be

would that be the one he never held. LOL He is not a New Yorker plain and simple. he left in the sixties and he never went back. He couldn't cut it with the competition you face in NY and he rejected the hustle and bustle.

What job was that again?

[JackRiddler]

111. Are you previewing Candidate Trump's strategy against Sanders in the general?

[wilt the stilt]

113. no but when ken said he left NY for work

it begged the question what job since he didn't hold one until he was forty and that was to be a politician.

[Ken Burch]

123. School first, and then work as an activist outside and inside electoral politics.

Unlike working for WalMart or speaking to corporations, nothing Bernie did ever involved mortgaging his principles or ditching his supporters.

[wilt the stilt]

136. He was kind of a loser

for about 20 years and then fell back and became a politician. nothing really special about him. How much did he work for the African Americans after college. Did he give of himself. What did he really do until he was forty.

[Ken Burch]

140. By those standards, Lincoln was "kind of a loser"

After all, he lost something like 20 straight elections before he became president, and many accounts he wasn't that great of a lawyer.

FDR never had a private sector job in his life.

Harry Truman didn't have a steady job until he was thirty-five, then he sold underwear for a living.

Teddy Kennedy flunked out of college and basically never had any job other than being senator.

All HRC ever did in the private sector was represent rich people at a law firm and help WalMart stop union organizing.

Be careful who you call a loser.

[wilt the stilt]

155. Lincoln was self taught

I kind of admire that.

Harry Truman had a job even if it was selling underwear.

Teddy lived off his family name. No great shakes there.

HRC made the most of her intellect. She finished 3rd in her law school class. She worked on Watergate. she worked on the Children's defense fund You might not realize this but the Rose law firm is a joke.

i work in the big legal market so i talk to the top attorneys all the time.

This is what to admire. Both Clintons and Obama could have been making millions of dollars by the 5th year out of school.All the finished at the top of their classes and Obama being black could have named his tune.

All 3 went to do things in government to make things better.

The typical partner makes in excess of 1.5 million today. when Hilary went to the Rose law firm she made dirt. She would have been recruited by the top firms. sidley austin jones day etc.
i was just at the ABA conference and I know the attorney representing Bob McDonnell of VA. he is going in front of the Supreme court. You probably think he is a republican. He is not.

Lawyers defend who is paying them. they are super smart and really funny. The Clinton's didn't really make much money until late in their lives. Same with Obama. He hasn't made any money yet.

I personally think Bernie really never expanded his intellect. It is the same old schtick over and over again with no depth. Hilary used every bit of her intellect all the time. Him not so much. she is way smarter than him. it is pretty obvious.

[Tarc]

45. "I was born here, so vote for me" doesn't feel like a compelling, issues-heavy campaign soundbite

[calguy]

47. I'm sure Bernie is always welcomed in NY

He'll just never win there.

[H2O Man]

55. Recommended.

There s a lot of support for Bernie in New York State.

[democrattotheend]

59. I'm a (non-native) New York resident and I will be voting for him

I won't go so far as to call myself a "New Yorker" though. Having grown up in a state that is constantly belittled by New Yorkers I just can't do it.

[JackRiddler]

77. I'm a New Yorker and we welcome you and the returning son Sanders.

[wilt the stilt]

95. you live in the city?

or the burbs?

[JackRiddler]

100. Have you read any of my posts the last 15 years?

Where do you think someone who fucking writes like I do would live? Fucking Rye, or Fucking Great Neck? Here's my bona fides: I fucking hate New York, and if you can't say that, then you haven't fucking lived here.

(I swear, if this fucking gets alerted we will see how many people have any fucking clue about New York Fucking City on this site. Or a motherfucking sense of humor.)

That being said, I was happy to live 15 years outside the city at one point. It really fucking brightened my disposition!

[beam me up scottie]

107. Word.

You can't take the New York out of natives, like Bernie my dad never lost his accent!

[JackRiddler]

109. You only lose an accent if you want to.

Word, indeed.

[wilt the stilt]

115. Rarely do you lose the accent

funny thing is my younger brother has a much heavier accent than me and we grew up in Yonkers. i have been told I have a westchester accent which is pretty weak compared to Brooklyn.

Bernie has the accent but he really isn't a new Yorker anymore and hasn't been for a long time. He didn't even go to a SUNY.

[JackRiddler]

117. So what.

He went and became a well-loved mayor in Vermont. That's some fucking New York initiative, right there. Now he's one more breakthrough win from becoming president, and we'll see how it goes on April 19.

[wilt the stilt]

119. not really

he really had no initiative. Being a New Yorker like yourself we are tough. people who ran away in the sixties were wusses. Vermont was runaway from reality land.

[choie]

139. Bernie

fought against housing discrimination and other forms of bigotry. what the hell have you done? What the hell has Clinton done?

[choie]

150. You're correct...

that's the one thing she did - then it was all downhill from there. However, Bernie has spent his career working to better our lives. She has worked to better Goldman Sachs' life. You can try all you want, but there's no comparison. She's a damn shill for corporations and, even worse than that, voted for the Iraq resolution, one of the most criminal acts in United States' history. That's your leader....

[wilt the stilt]

162. I'm a democrat

and my favorite Bernie quote. "JFK makes me puke" real class.

[BeanMusical]

181. Link?

[Tanuki]

145. Jane grew up only blocks away from Bernie, but she doesn't have the same accent.

[JackRiddler]

147. Does she change accents to suit audiences?

I don't think so.

People who grew up blocks away from me have all kinds of different accents.

[Tanuki]

171. Calm down, it was just an observation. I have cousins who grew up within a couple of miles

of me and went to the same high school who don't sound a thing like me. But I disagree that accents don't change over time unless someone is "trying."

[wilt the stilt]

114. no i haven't read your posts

so it was an honest question. my parents left in 1973 because they hated NY. That being said it is great to visit. I have been going a couple of times a year on an expense account. the only way to go. i recently was their last summer walked out of Bryant park and it struck me that my grandmother had a restaurant kitty corner to Bryant park in the fifties and sixties.

We played on 42nd street as kids with no adult supervision.in the fifties.

[JackRiddler]

116. Well you read that one.

Bryant Park turned into a dump soon after, but now it's a thoroughly gentrified and secured space. Times change, for the worse and the better. We use to play football sewer to sewer on streets where you'd now get run over in 30 seconds.

[wilt the stilt]

120. yes I know it is totally gentrified

I read fran liebowitz's piece on how New York is no longer NY. I thought it was great. I remember when there was no fast food in NY just local great places. Before Chinatown hadn't crossed canal Street.

[choie]

138. Hey JackRiddler

I grew up in Great Neck, but live in New York City now. Great Neck or NYC, one is still a New Yorker - and I am for Bernie!

[JackRiddler]

143. yes of course,

I was just playing around.

[choie]

153. I know!

I'm just pissed off at this thread..

[Renew Deal]

128. If you are offended then you truly are not a NYer

A NYer wouldn't care.

[KamaAina]

62. He ought to know the score by now...

[bigtree]

65. he fled NY for VT

...I was born in Brooklyn, too.

[R B Garr]

66. Was Nixon or Ford President when Bernie left NY?

So long ago.

[geek tragedy]

74. I think it was LBJ. nt

[dana_b]

70. Another Brooklyn boy:

[beam me up scottie]

106. ^^^THAT^^^ I almost forgot Jon Stewart endorsed Bernie!!!

[Tanuki]

179. When did Stewart endorse him? I had not heard about it and could not find a link

to anything genuine. There is no mention of it on the Wikipedia list of endorsements, either.

[beam me up scottie]

180. Hmm, I remember looking it up and seeing a link.

You could be right, I just checked and couldn't find anything. Might have been a social media thing.

[RedCappedBandit]

80. This native New Yorker with deep Brooklyn roots is with Bernie.

[wilt the stilt]

84. Bernie left New York a long time ago

He didn't even go to college there. I grew up in NY and I went to a graduated from a SUNY. I left much later than Bernie did and i hardly consider myself a New Yorker. I have deep ties to NYC including my Mom being born in chinatown and I was baptized in Chinatown.
My grandmother was the most famous chinese bootlegger in NYC and we continued to make rice liquor until my parents left NY in 1973.

The famous restaurant ruby Foo's was my mom, dad, aunt and uncle.

He abandoned NYC in the sixties. He really has no real contact with NY and in fact rejected its lifestyle and diversity for Vermont.

Get real people he is not a New Yorker anymore.

[ozone_man]

125. He's a two generation New Yorker.

His parents emigrated there from Poland during the war. Yes, he went to U. of Chicago. You can take him out of NYC, but you will never take NYC out of him.

Besides, he will never be a true Vermonter, as one has to be born here to qualify. Well, I will offer him citizenship here, and maybe you can likewise confer that status to him in NY?

[wilt the stilt]

142. he is not a second generation

he is first generation. I am third generation in all actuality. My Grandfather was born in CA and went back to China and came back to NYC.That technically made me 3rd generation even though my grandfather never spoke English.

First generation is the one who is born here which makes him first generation. He abandoned NYC at around 19 and never went back. Bolted to Vermont.

i hardly consider myself a new yorker and I was there way longer than him and my mother was born in Chinatown and I was baptized in chinatown. My mother didn't even think of me as new yorker because we were in Yonkers.

He is a Vermont citizen.he has as far as I can tell no family in NYC.

[ozone_man]

168. Second generation definitions include him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrant_generations

One's parents do not have to be born here to be considered second generation.

But, we like that he is also a Vermonter now.

[Renew Deal]

126. He left NY for cow country a long time ago.

[choie]

129. Go Bernie!!!!

I'm a native New Yorker who still lives in NYC - Bernie is the only choice who will put forward policies FOR the majority of people in this country.

[snowy owl]

141. Spike Lee calls Bernie his Brooklyn brother on CBC One-on-One with Peter Mansbridge

I loved it. Wish more people would watch and listen to intelligent media.

[highprincipleswork]

170. Know what you mean. Most of this is not that intelligent, for instance. Nor loving of New York.

But what can you do? I still think Bernie can take New York, and I look forward to events like this one.

https://go.berniesanders.com/page/event/detail/rally/44pmm

[snowy owl]

176. A debate would help.

I'm all in for Bernie.

[highprincipleswork]

178. Looks like one may be in the works. Check Latest. I'm all in too. GOTV!

[quantass]

169. kick

[MFM008]

183. and when Sanders loses

all but 2 caucus states what then?

[highprincipleswork]

184. Well, IF and when that happens, I'll know we are truly fucked.