Superdelegates in Blowout States Have No Choice But Bernie

[Playinghardball]

The blowout victories in Washington, Alaska, and Hawaii are having serious repercussions for Hillary’s supposed superdelegate lead. It has become a politically untenable position for a superdeleate from these blowout states to vote against the will of their constituents. With margins of victory of up to 60%, they will stand in stark contrast from the rest of the earn delegates from their state’s delegation. They will appear out of touch and a bought commodity on the convention floor.

If the party elites decide to manipulate the nomination process, many fear it will spark an all out civil war within the Democratic Party. While is hard to find a paid pundit who won’t paint a different picture for the Clinton Machine, the reality of manipulating a nomination is a death sentence.

Bernie Sanders’ team is well aware of the suicide nature of the superdelegates, and have begun to express how they really operate:

“I think what’s important to remember here is that superdelegates are kind of like football recruits. You know, they say they are coming but until they have signed on the dotted line and they’re in practice, you don’t know that they’re all the way with you and that they’re on your team. And so we think that we still have time to garner support from these superdelegates, especially when we’re winning.”

http://www.socialisttimes.com/murmurs-among-superdelegates-blowout-states/

[hrmjustin]

1. Do you call on Alan Grayson to support Hillary at convetion?

[vkkv]

10. Grayson has already supported Bernie and will continue to do so.

Yes, yes, we know HRC supporters would like to call the primary election over..

Some reality please.

[hrmjustin]

16. If you are going to call for superdelegates to vote how their state does then you should

be consistent and Ask Grayson to vote for HRC at the convention.

[vkkv]

19. Grayson represents Florida's 9th district... So..

Support for Bernie or Hillary in Grayson's FL 9th district you mean? I dont know... You?

[hrmjustin]

20. Hillary won every congressional district in Florida.

[Trenzalore]

23. Well...

Grayson did have an online poll and we know how reliable those are

[hrmjustin]

25. Lol. Notice the crickets.

[Trenzalore]

28. Not surprising

The double standard and constant whining.

[Renew Deal]

2. No choice!

I think you'll be surprised.

[thereismore]

3. We're calling you out Howard Dean! We know you can do it. nt

[NorthCarolina]

6. Howard Dean has already said that they way his state votes has no bearing on who he chooses.

Do or die, he will vote for Hillary.

[restorefreedom]

7. he has a cushy lobbying job now

so screwing voters is no longer his concern.

i am ashamed i ever supported him...he is clearly not the person i thought he was.

[NorthCarolina]

12. I agree. nt

[R B Garr]

4. How much is truly a blowout and how much are they crossover voters from Trump.

That seems to be a wild card this year. Kowtowing to crossover Trump supporters is not a priority.

[synergie]

5. Is this "lack of choice" due to the program of harassment and doxing that the

Bernie camp has been engaging in? SDs have been reporting harassment and abuse from Bernie supporters who have been told to do so officially now.

Given that the popular vote and the pledged delegate lead goes against this strategy to manipulate, coerce and otherwise harass delegates into doing the will of those who failed to win contests or votes, it seems like this is full on violent threats if the minority who did not win do not get their way.

When a losing candidate's plan to steal delegates is the only way forward, then yes, that manipulation plan is indeed a "death sentence" to that campaign. But all this violent imagery and "death sentences" and "suicides" and "war" seem to be rather terroristic, like the Trump plans to foment discord, chaos and violence to get his way. This does not seem to be a rational argument to make for the candidate that presents himself at the "dove" and the "pacifist", it seems rather dangerous.

[Land of Enchantment]

11. Who is stealing delegates? Who is really 'losing'? Hillary has

only gone down since this thing began---from a lead of 80-90% to what---49%-45%. Who is truly making these threats? Doesn't sound like anything Berners would do----
You ask for a rational argument yet your post is incoherent.

[synergie]

13. Why that would be Bernie and Tad Devine, it's their "strategy" to win when they

failed with the voters and the pledged delegates. They've said so numerous times, and they're asking people to harass SDs into flipping, and they've made it clear that they think that pledged delegates are game as well.

You might want to actually pay attention to what the campaign staff is saying and what their strategy is , they're not exactly being shy about sharing it.

There is nothing incoherent about my post, it's pretty simple, plain and clear. I"m sorry you're having such a hard day, what with not actually making up the delegate difference and losing so badly in the popular vote, that you simply do not have the heart to read closely or for comprehension. I understand that reality is a bit tough for the Bernie camp right now, but shutting out reality and ignoring facts simply won't make it any easier to accept number and math and audio/video of Bernie's staff saying things that you may not like to hear.

It'll be okay. The upcoming contests will make things more clear, and no matter how much Tad and the staff plot and spin, no amount of threatening of SDs or PDs will overcome the PV.

[Land of Enchantment]

17. You are woefully misinformed. Bernie and Devine have done no such thing, they have always taken the

high road and God knows you are grasping at straws. Your post is full of vitriol and and I am light years ahead of you in terms of decorum and realism so --adios--you are going to full ignore.

But before you go away you might want to enlighten yourself with this little gem....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/the-4-things-you-need-to-know-about-bernie-sanders-historic-comeback_b_9557952.html

[synergie]

18. So when Tad Devine said otherwise, on a recorded conference call with reporters

that just didn't happen?

http://www.ibtimes.com/bernie-sanders-fantasy-campaign-hopes-win-hillary-clintons-pledged-delegates-unlikely-2338452

It's really sad that you don't actually see where the vitriol is coming from or how little decorum or realism is reflected in your post. It's okay, when things are this bad for your candidate that the staff and the candidate himself are saying things that you cannot bear to accept, you must ignore things and insist on true things are not true.

It's called denial, and it is the first stage of grief.

You have my compassion and my pity, despite your personal attack on me and your lack of decorum. False beliefs about being "light years ahead" of unpleasant truths are sad, I have great hopes that this rudeness you are engaging in is merely a reflection of your disappointment in the conduct of a campaign you believed in which has so betrayed you.

It will be all right.

[TexasTowelie]

31. It is nice that you found a map to fit your narrative.

Is this taken from somewhere else or did you color it yourself? The way that I would color it is 18 states for Clinton and 15 states for Sanders.

[Gothmog]

8. You are wrong-these super delegates are not bound by these results

These super delegates will vote in the best long term interests of the party and down ballot candidates. Many of Sanders platform positions are pure poison for down ballot candidates. Super delegates will not vote to kill down ballot candidates

[vkkv]

14. "Poison'..? So, you're saying that corporate donors are too powerful of an influence on elections

and that we should just KEEP IT THAT WAY and live in fear of losing to the GOP nominee...

Nah, I don't think so.

Many voters, registered Dems and RePigLickins are tired and aware of corporate rule so it will hurt corporatists in the long run.

[Gothmog]

21. And yet Clinton has over 2.5 million more votes that Sanders

[oldandhappy]

9. Bought and paid for before all this began.

We will be watching.

Speculating on how things can change if DWS gets voted out and Bernie either wins or has such a real delegate count that there is pressure against the old style politicos.

[pat_k]

15. A caution from a Sanders supporter.

If the reverse -- i.e., all Superdelegates in states Clinton won endorsing Clinton -- came to pass, then Sanders could find himself on the short end of the stick.

If Bernie wins more pledged delegates nationally, then superdelegates are almost sure to follow suit.

That's the goal. More pledged delegates.

The notion of superdelegates overriding the pledged delegate outcome is not a notion that should be pushed. It can too easily be applied unfairly in the reverse.

[Blue_In_AK]

22. We have one here doubling down on Hillary support,

and she's deleting people from her FB page who disagree. Also, she's seriously badmouthing Sanders supporters. This after Bernie won 82-18. Super delegates got to go.

[EyeOnLife]

30. Is she an elected official?

If so, tell her to kiss her seat goodbye.

[Blue_In_AK]

32. No, she's a party official.

She's listed as a "party committeewoman" at the Alaska Democratic Party site. Unelected.

[bigtree]

24. I look forward to Sanders calling for Marcy Kaptur to vote Hillary

[Trenzalore]

29. He can't do that

Reasons. Very important reasons.

[StevieM]

26. They were caucuses. Primaries would have been a lot closer, and to believe otherwise is silly.

As for the SDs, eight years ago we were told that they should all vote in masse for the PD winner. A precedent was set. And I can't imagine that SDs, no matter what state they are from, will fail to support the PD winner, whoever he or she is.

[strategery blunder]

27. Fun fact about the WA state Democratic party--it probably doesn't care

Voters pass binding ballot initiative to change from caucuses to primaries? We don't care, we'll sue to get our caucuses back (the party won, and we got caucuses again).

Meanwhile, Rs use the voter-mandated state primary here (the same one that the court ruled the Dem party did not have to respect), and pontificate about how they're having a more democratic primary than the Dems

Supers all endorsed Hillary anyway, my entire Congressional delegation voted pro-TPP

State goes to Bernie by 45 points, they don't care

The only way they would possibly care is if Bernie goes into convention with a majority of pledged, AND having blown out California by a similar margin...then they MIGHT entertain the notion of avoiding 1968 redux, maybe...

Which is why I'm waiting until 8 June to write my elected supers