2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMother Jones: Hillary Clinton Is Fundamentally Honest and Trustworthy
There are few things more clear than death, taxes and the fact that you just can't trust Hillary Clinton. Sure, Trump is a racist and Cruz is crazy, but they are not known as liars even though there is no shortage of bull that they are willing to sling. But Hillary? If there is one last issue where you can have bipartisanship it is that you cannot trust Hillary Clinton. It is irrelevant the fact that many fact checks given Hillary and Bernie similar scores, compared the dismal scores given to Trump and Cruz, we just know in our bones that Hillary is untrustworthy.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/
Thus, the fact that a writer for Mother Jones has apparently lost his mind and suggested that Hillary is fundamentally honest and trustworthy is mind boggling. If the media is pursuing a narrative, then there must be at least some truth, because where there is smoke, there must be a fire. Heck, Susan Sarandon is willing to vote for Donald Trump, rather than Hillary Clinton, because his election and the suffering that ensues would more quickly bring about the revolution that we all crave.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/03/hillary-clinton-fundamentally-honest-and-trustworthy
As we all know, millennials don't care much for Hillary Clinton. That's okay. I'm on the other side of that particular fence, but there's plenty of room for honest differences about her views and whether they're right for the countrydifferences that I don't think are fundamentally rooted in age.
But there's one issue where I suspect that age really does trip up millennials: the widespread belief that Hillary isn't trustworthy. It's easy to understand why they might think this. After all, Hillary has been surrounded by a miasma of scandal for decadesand even if you vaguely know that a lot of the allegations against her weren't fair, well, where there's smoke there's fire. So if you're familiar with the buzzwordsWhitewater, Travelgate, Vince Foster, the Rose law firm, Troopergate, Ken Starr, Benghazi, Emailgatebut not much else, it's only human to figure that maybe there really is something fishy in Hillary's past.
But many of us who lived through this stuff have exactly the opposite view. Not only do we know there's almost literally nothing to any of these "scandals," we also know exactly how they were deliberately and cynically manufactured at every step along the way. We were there, watching it happen in real time. So not only do we believe Hillary is basically honest, but the buzzwords actively piss us off. Every time we hear a young progressive kinda sorta suggest that Hillary can't be trusted, we want to strangle someone. It's the ultimate proof of how the right wing's big lie about the Clintons has successfully poisoned not just the electorate in general, but even the progressive movement itself.
* * *
As Abramson suggests, there are times when Hillary is her own worst enemy. The decades of attacks have made her insular and distrustful, and this often produces a lawyerly demeanor that makes her sound guilty even when she isn't. As a result, the belief in Hillary's slipperiness is now such conventional wisdom that it's almost impossible to dislodge. I just checked Memeorandum to see if anyone was discussing Abramson's piece, and I was unsurprised to find that it's gone almost entirely unnoticed.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)this has already been posted and refuted more than once.
athena
(4,187 posts)I've looked for it and can't find it.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)Hillary's honesty and trustworthiness. The puritist here never cease to amaze me. I'm certain most who have already replied didn't even bother to read the linked post. No, because they wouldn't want to hear anyone or anything that interferes with their narrative. I know what motivates the right wing hate mongers who have made a living at trying to destroy the Clintons for decades now, but I am no longer amazed at the crap I read here from the Clinton haters..
revbones
(3,660 posts)I mean, it's completely normal to write an article about how trustworthy someone is right? We see those articles all the time right?
djean111
(14,255 posts)name a few things I am fundamentally AGAINST. So this article, as it pertains to who I want to support, is fundamentally useless.
And, I might add, fundamentally dishonest and a bit cheesy, trying to explain away her issues, deeds, and utterances.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)madaboutharry
(40,220 posts)she talked about a vast right wing conspiracy. People thought she was deflecting or else being paranoid. But it was and still is true. This crap with the emails is the new version of Whitewater.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)...send it as a fax unsecured are made up?
reformist2
(9,841 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)When you get right down to it, THAT'S the reason people don't trust her.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"a sacred bond between a man and a woman"?
No, the right wing did not.
People have trouble taking her as genuine because of her track record, not because they've been hypnotized and brainwashed.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)and get other people to claim you're honest, you probably aren't honest.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Jarqui
(10,130 posts)Washington politician since Dick Nixon. But not nearly as good at it because she got caught so many times.
No contract article is going to change 25 years or so of that.
There is a reason 60% of Americans feel she is dishonest or untrustworthy. It's not because of Politifact, DU.com posters, any article or anyone else. Hillary Clinton earned that distinction all by herself with her behavior.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)How did the VRWC create "DOMA was to fight off an amendment that no one had proposed"?
How did the VRWC create "Marriage is a sacred bond between a man and a woman.....until it isn't".
How did the VRWC declare the TPP "the gold standard" and then "not good enough"?
How did the VRWC create "Nancy Reagan did tons for HIV/AIDS"?
The VRWC created pseudo-scandals. And Clinton lies a lot. The first does not make the second disappear.
(Guess I'll just keep copy-n-pasting this each time this same article gets posted)