Smugness in Hillary Clinton camp really should be embarrassment

[Seeinghope]

This is the 2nd go round for Hillary Clinton's run for President of the United States. Her husband was President of the United States. They have carefully strategised her rise to be able to be a viable candidate. She has all of the "connections" that she needs and an awesome political advisor and example in Bill Clinton, yet

A candidate who isn't suave, glamorous, doesn't have the funds from all of the super Pacs, and every other financial source allowed, the total backing of the DNC, (hell they scheduled the debates to get the least amount of coverage possible). Bernie Sanders is under a media blackout. People don't really know who he is and what he stands for. He is virtually an unknown.

Yet I see time after time people calling for his withdrawn. As though it is fair to somehow take away the choice of the people in this country. The "powers that be" have already pretty much done all that they can to do this already. Yet the voters of Hillary Clinton see nothing wrong with this....unless it would be happening to their candidate.

With all of this going on, Bernie Sanders is gaining momentum and the word is STILL GETTING OUT!. This is remarkable. Bernie Sanders is not done. What is tragic here is the people that are playing right into the upper 1% hands. It is beyond pathetic..

[DanTex]

1. That's fascinating. Just make sure you vote D in the general election.

[revbones]

3. Very convincing rationale there... nt

[DanTex]

4. Just clarifying what actually matters.

[revbones]

6. Sure. nt

[MadDAsHell]

49. Apparently making "history" with one's vote is all that matters.

But I say the sooner we stop making skin color or genitalia the main criteria for our vote, the better.

[Fumesucker]

76. Bernie will make history too, the first Jewish President

And the first non-Christian President.

[840high]

80. .+1

[Kentonio]

2. But, but, but she never wanted to be president!

Not until a high school girl persuaded her to run..

[PonyUp]

5. I will never vote for Ms. Smug. n/t

[SFnomad]

19. Trump thanks you for your support. n/t

[Maedhros]

35. My ignore list thanks you for joining it.[n/t]

[Impedimentus]

37. I wish you folks would slow down a little, my fingers are getting tired from growing my ignore list.

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

[SFnomad]

48. Ignoring reality isn't a good thing. n/t

[onecaliberal]

55. You're the one ignoring reality and all the polls showing she will LOSE to trump.

[SFnomad]

58. The polls have Clinton beating tRump

But you go ahead and live in whatever delusional world you want to live in.

[onecaliberal]

60. And you definitely know delusion.

[SFnomad]

62. Yep and I see it in Sanders supporters all the time n/t

[Gothmog]

66. The real world is not always fair

Things like 2.5 million more popular votes matter in the real world

[840high]

82. I'll vote for Sanders.

[840high]

81. Tell him "you're welcome".

[marble falls]

69. What will you do if she's the choice?

[itsrobert]

7. Alrighty then

Couldn't find a "smug" smilie.

[hrmjustin]

8. "Bernie Sanders is under a media Blackout"

Funny I see his face on my tv all the time.

[dana_b]

9. It is very sad and pathetic

We deserve to know the truth about our candidates. We also deserve to have objective reports done on the viable candidates yet time and time again we get
lop sided reporting on one or two candidates that the MEDIA thinks are viable - not necessarily who the people in the real world think are viable.

Btw- Hillary supporters - this is NOT to say that she's not viable. Of course she is. But so is Bernie. And on the other side... The media is pushing Trump onto people but there are two other candidates over there. Granted because of Cruz's personal life he has had a little more coverage it it's only due to the tabloid nature the news.

It's disgusting and we need real news again someday.

[brer cat]

10. Yep, total media blackout.

[Godhumor]

13. Shhh. We have a narrative to construct n/t

[FlatBaroque]

18. Throw up the Ezra Klein tax burden comparison

that one is hilarious as well. You're with David Brock. Be proud.

[Seeinghope]

24. On this last Sunday? I won't even bother to verify if this is correct or no because it doesn't

Matter. One day out of ...........how many months so far? Pretty lame comeback.

[brer cat]

39. If you read the title

the chart covers January 2015 - March 20, 2016. I didn't see any separate figures for last Sunday so I have no idea about that.

[Seeinghope]

54. IF this is true, this is one show on Sunday A.M

Sanders has not been shown giving speeches after campaigns, even when he wins. He is not covered on the msm. There is a mention here and there on Bernie when other candidates are getting empty stages shown after an election night skipping Bernie Sanders speeches. You do not see Bernie Sanders on msm period. It is common knowledge and if you are trying to dispute it you are in denial or you just won't admit to anything.

[litlbilly]

59. they are just throwing bullshit out there to try and make it look like Bernie is everywhere on M$M,

they know perfectly well he is almost completely ignored. Its all they have, just make shit up...and hope that Bernie stops being mean to poor Hillary. So freakin pathetic.

[phantom power]

11. Clinton's campaign ought to be wondering how they haven't closed the deal yet.

As you say, Clinton's campaign has every conceivable structural advantage working in her favor. Name recognition, prior connections, campaign funding, support of the Democratic establishment...

And yet... here they are, still trying to put down an insurgent campaign from a guy who most people didn't even know existed 12 months ago, who has the gall to attach the word "socialist" to his public description, and who is funding his campaign on small individual donations.

[CalvinballPro]

15. If only you non-Democrats could have been bothered to learn the history of our party.

Then your questions wouldn't be so uninformed. Democrats eliminated winner-take-all primaries over 30 years ago. FFS, educate yourselves.

[pdsimdars]

20. A democrat is as a democrat does

And that make Hillary a neo conservative Republican by any measure.

[phantom power]

25. I'm unclear on what your point is. That I'm unaware each candidate can win portions of delegates?

I'm aware of that. Also, I have been a registered Democrat since 1987, when I could vote. Does that confuse you?

[CalvinballPro]

29. Your argument is dishonest, and basically pathetic.

You know about proportional allocation, and still say "why hasn't she won already?" Sorry, but how dumb are you, if you don't realize the Dem primary was set up 30 years ago to be highly competitive? You're acting like she should have an incumbent's advantage, but I bet if she did, you'd be shitting on her for that instead.

[phantom power]

33. Are you arguing her structural advantages don't exist? That's preposterous.

And yes, I suppose those advantages are very similar to an incumbent's advantages. She's not an incumbent, but sure, she shares the same kind of advantages.

I'd like to add that it's totally fair for her to use the advantages available to her. My argument is, those advantages ought to be crushing. By all rights Sanders ought to be mathematically out of the race already, and he's not.

It's mathematically difficult for him to close the gap, but it is closable.

[Seeinghope]

72. Seriously though, other "left field" candidates have dared to run

They never really had traction. They never rose to this level of competition to an establishment candidate.

The "underdog" never grew in support like Bernie Sanders has been growing. He isn't fading away. It is just the opposite. There is an unmistakable resistance for the Democrats to unanimously come behind Hillary Clinton.

Why did Bill Clinton have to embarrass himself and the Democratic Party by running around in MA from polling place to polling place on Election Day breaking the law and disrupting voting? That was really really low. Yet the smugness remains. If I was a Hillary Clinton supporter, I would be appalled.

I did not think that Bernie Sanders would be a strong rival to Hillary Clinton (at the time, because of the fact that I didn't think that Bernie Sanders would have a snowball's in Hells chance to face the enormous machine of "The Clintons&quot that I would have considered a worthy competition for Hillary Clinton, would you?...... The competition structure set up to be "highly competitive" is an overstatement....no false, when the establishment has a predetermined candidate pick.

[CalvinballPro]

74. You know what, spare me your victimhood about Bill Clinton. If you weren't there, everything you

claim to know is hearsay, and frankly, your side has a big problem telling and acknowledging the truth.

Save it for tricking the gullible college students your campaign is fueled, and failed, by.

[Seeinghope]

75. Hearsay? I would say Eyesaw!

I watched and heard the videos of the MA romps. If this actually went to a court of law the evidence would be overwhelming.

It is really too too bad that the Hillary Clinton supporters have to put their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and shut down their brains so often.....or they are just as unscrupulous as the Hillary Clinton campaign is. That unscrupulousness smacks of desperateness, why? She is way ahead right? My guess is that they are surprised that Bernie Sanders is doing as well as he is OR OR OR old habits die hard.

[frylock]

43. Many of us are non-Democrats because we know your Party all to well.

Maybe even better than you Democrats. Kinda like how non-believers know more about the bible than the fundies do.

[CalvinballPro]

44. Then go found and run your own instead of crying about ours.

No one's forcing you to vote Democratic. That's your choice.

[frylock]

45. That is my choice.

[Ed Suspicious]

53. You want a smaller big tent. Nice thinking, genius.

[islandmkl]

78. you don't appear to know much about the base principles the Democratic Party represented

until post-1988...I'll chock it up to you were not around before the DLC/Third Way version of the Party...

so you don't know the fucking difference...

as in all things good old physics comes into play...the pendulum is beginning to swing back to the left...

maybe not for the Democratic Party you know and promote...don't worry, though...the (R) Party has plenty of room for 'New Democrats' over on their left-side-of-right-of-center section...

it's almost embarrassing to see TW Dems think they are liberal, let alone progressive...

[LexVegas]

12. At his rate of gaining momentum, he will be a viable candidate in 2060 or so. nt

[CalvinballPro]

14. Is there no end to the projection from the Sanders camp? Beyond ridiculous, at this point. eom

[FlatBaroque]

16. Our true enemies are the enablers /

[MisterP]

17. there was a great Vanity Fair article on this: 08 was devastating for her

so she ran only start of '15 when the pollsters reassured her there was a huge backing for her; her "successes" at State (HOLY SHIT A DoS SIGNED AN AGREEMENT ON PALESTINE STOP THE PRESSES) would be touted as the topper for her "experience" in two branches of government; she could keep it bland, toss the whiners in their veal pen a few bones, and please the donors while slicing up the country and selling it off--to the happy cheers of the victims, in fact

any criticism of The Candidate would be dismissed--it'd just make the usual DKos/HuffPo/CommonDreams chattering-class rounds of some grad students and people logging in after work; since Sanders was left of Kucinich they thought he'd only get half the votes: what's happening is literally unthinkable to them: she feels absolutely certain that she's a true progressive and that the real enemy and problem are the Republicans, not anyone On Her Side and least of all those feeding her the data

Ellison describes a Maginot-like nested ranks of lawyers, lobbyists, aides, advisers, spokespeople, pollsters, spin doctors, proxies, and David Brock, all expert at defending the most-defended candidate in history: she rewards zipperlips, lifers, diehards, and unconditionals, problems met with more and more secrecy--"she has been burned, exposed, misunderstood, and mocked"; gatekeepers control everything that reaches her, even making her not read the papers during the 90s controversies

One of the most potent elements of her personality is her woundedness, what she’s been through, and how she soldiers on despite all that. Her image as a ‘fighter’ has become a central tenet of this current campaign, and as much as she must want to shed her history and its embarrassments, she would be nothing without them

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/10/hillary-clinton-inside-circle-huma-abedin

[Smarmie Doofus]

34. This passage is glorious:

>>>>Ellison describes a Maginot-like nested ranks of lawyers, lobbyists, aides, advisers, spokespeople, pollsters, spin doctors, proxies, and David Brock, all expert at defending the most-defended candidate in history: she rewards zipperlips, lifers, diehards, and unconditionals, problems met with more and more secrecy--"she has been burned, exposed, misunderstood, and mocked"; gatekeepers control everything that reaches her, even making her not read the papers during the 90s controversies >>>>>

This section of which will live in perpetuity:

>>she rewards zipperlips, lifers, diehards, and unconditionals, >>>

Ohhhh. Does she EVER.

Words set to music.

[MisterP]

38. that's why shedding half the party over 20 years is good for them:

they're left with a controllable group, of low-information primary voters (too broke to have Internet even and too overworked to go on it 24/7 like DUers!), of personalists who literally don't care what a candidate supports, of the perfect machine voter who gives up their money and their vote and then goes home without asking for any of the nice promises to be fulfilled

[marions ghost]

42. I tend to think so

--for both D and R -- a smaller party is easier to lead into the corral, and then the rest-- the Indys, just go to vote for what's already been decided, if they vote at all.

[840high]

83. .+1

[pdsimdars]

21. Yes, vote for Hillary

so she can take away from you and your family so that her friends, the rich, can get richer.

They can't really know what they are saying can they? Makes no sense. These corporate Democrats keep wanting to use YOUR social security as a bargaining chip. Obama offered it up a number of times. What is wrong with them?

Is this like one of those old Twilight Zone episodes where some signal comes out of the TV set and makes people do things against their own interests? "All we want is for Hillary to win, it is the primal objective. So she can take everything away from us for her friends."

[Sheepshank]

22. you know so much?

And you've been here a whole 2 weeks? The fact that you chose to ignore the swarming of pro Hillary public persons By Bernie Supporters, including the Super Delegates, should tell you exactly where the embarrassment lies.

[w4rma]

46. Would you characterize Marie Antoinette as having been "swarmed" by regular people?

Why do you think that Marie Antoinette was "swarmed" by the people? Maybe she shouldn't have ignorantly believed that they could "eat cake" with no bread to eat?

[Marr]

23. Yep, she's a pathetically weak candidate.

Every conceivable advantage, and she still hasn't managed to close the deal against Sanders, a virtual unknown.

It speaks of the party establishment's lack of popularity, and Clinton's weakness as a candidate. If she secures the nomination, we will lose.

[SFnomad]

26. Clinton is weak? Then what is Sanders since ...

he is more than 200 pledged delegates behind and has 2+ million fewer votes?

[Marr]

40. As I said, he began a virtual unknown.

She's been a prominent part of the national political scene for more than 20 years, and has the full backing of the business and party establishments. A strong candidate with those advantages would've had this thing wrapped up before it even began.

[SFnomad]

47. Virtual unknown or not ... he's still a weaker candidate. A much weaker candidate. n/t

[Seeinghope]

71. Much weaker in what way? Hillary Clinton walked in with star power

Bernie Sanders walked in Unknown. If weaker means "David against Goliath" "strength vs. Weakness" then, yes, you are right.

Any other way...you are way off. With all of Hillary Clinton "strength" she should have put this one to bed already. Pathetic really on her part. Especially the part with Bill running around in MA from polling place to polling place trying to disrupt the votes. THAT was really RICH. it was so Rich that he pulled the same stunt in Ohio, the home of fixed elections. Out and out lawbreaking and audacity, all for votes that probably led to the win in MA at least. Yet the Hillary Clinton still remain smug.

Honestly Hillary Clinton would have made an admirable GOP candidate. If she were (still) a republican, she would have been President of the United States 8 years ago and you would have voted for her. Why you even bother to call yourself a Democrat is beyond me.

Hillary Clinton has voted for every military intervention in the ME and Latin America. She has the blood of many Americans on her hands.

[MFM008]

27. COME ON

President Trump thanks you for your support.

[upaloopa]

28. Those voting in the primaries have chosen Hillary 2.5 million more times than Bernie.

I wish you all would stop that "the people are for Bernie" meme as if we are chopped liver or something.

Personally I can't wait for Hillary to win the nomination.

[RandySF]

30. Sanders is doing about average for a primary challenger.

[SheenaR]

36. Average?

In just August and September 38% of people still didn't know or know enough about Bernie Sanders to make a judgment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-polls-name-recognition_us_55f70e69e4b063ecbfa52276


38% nationally.

And he is still alive in this race against one of the most famous people in the world.

I would say that is better than "average"

[Starry Messenger]

31. Well, Sanders is still losing to her, so...? What does that make him?

And anyone who thought a woman was just going to waltz the the White House are deluded. Of course this is a tough race.

[workinclasszero]

32. Your very recent concern for democratic politics is noted

[RandySF]

52. Yeah, ever since March 16, 2016

[panader0]

63. WTF? Everyone here has a day they joined.

[RandySF]

64. I see a ton of new users as of this month

[Seeinghope]

70. O.K. Yes, the day I joined the DU. Not the day I was born! Some people really have problems

With realities.

[Attorney in Texas]

41. THEIR smugness is part of what gets OUR vote out. Suffer it with the knowledge it only helps us

[senz]

50. Agree with everything you say there, Seeinghope.

[RandySF]

51. I'm not calling for him to quit.

But that doesn't mean he still isn't going to get his ass kicked.

[litlbilly]

61. they are just part of the pathetic Hill Shill lineup to pump the meme of the day.

[VulgarPoet]

68. I learned real damn quick that if all someone can contribute is snark

then I don't need to bother trying to tolerate 'em. At least MineralMan doesn't feel the need to resort to snark and jeering, and actually is rather pleasant to talk to-- ditto 1SBM, even though he isn't a Hillary supporter.

[blueintelligentsia]

57. They continued today with the #tonedownforwhat rhetoric n/t

[Gothmog]

65. Clinton has 2.5 million more popular votes than Sanders

Sanders has almost no chance of making up the difference in pledged delegates and it is unlikely that sanders will be able to flip any super delegates.

[tomm2thumbs]

67. so much truth there it hurts

[Vote2016]

73. it's fuel for Jill Stein (who is both a woman and progressive) and Bernie or Busters

[dubyadiprecession]

77. Bernie is gaining momentum? Really?....

He needs to win 77% all the remaining state delegates to win. Maybe bernie should climb mount everest too.

[Seeinghope]

79. Who won the last 7 primaries, all in a row? If you don't call that momentum then what would be?

[COLGATE4]

84. As to who is going to be the nominee of the

Democratic Party? Meaningless.

[Seeinghope]

85. There was a question from another poster and I answered it.

It is funny however that Hillary Clinton is sending out e-mails asking for money stating that she doesn't want to have Bernie Sanders beat her again in March campaign money raised.....especially since vs has out raised her just about every other month. It is also funny how her campaign is acknowledging the recent losses that her campaign has suffered......they are noticing and vocalising it to their constituents.