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Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:05 PM

Indictment, flipping delegates, transcripts needed because Bernie can't win on message

40 years of talking points. Thousands attending rallies. Yet he needs indictments, flipping delegates and rummaging through transcripts for something to get an edge.

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Reply Indictment, flipping delegates, transcripts needed because Bernie can't win on message (Original post)
upaloopa Mar 2016 OP
2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #1
CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #20
reformist2 Mar 2016 #25
840high Mar 2016 #42
brush Mar 2016 #57
lunamagica Mar 2016 #2
cosmicone Mar 2016 #3
libtodeath Mar 2016 #13
JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #33
DanTex Mar 2016 #4
hrmbaja Mar 2016 #9
DanTex Mar 2016 #10
uppityperson Mar 2016 #15
rbrnmw Mar 2016 #27
upaloopa Mar 2016 #19
hrmbaja Mar 2016 #21
upaloopa Mar 2016 #26
840high Mar 2016 #44
upaloopa Mar 2016 #45
Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #5
seabeyond Mar 2016 #7
Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #12
upaloopa Mar 2016 #18
roguevalley Mar 2016 #38
brush Mar 2016 #58
seabeyond Mar 2016 #6
pinebox Mar 2016 #60
NWCorona Mar 2016 #8
upaloopa Mar 2016 #17
NWCorona Mar 2016 #23
upaloopa Mar 2016 #29
NWCorona Mar 2016 #31
Ash_F Mar 2016 #11
Newkularblue Mar 2016 #56
Ash_F Mar 2016 #63
lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #14
Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #51
frylock Mar 2016 #16
Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #24
Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #22
upaloopa Mar 2016 #34
pinebox Mar 2016 #62
Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #64
LexVegas Mar 2016 #28
Jarqui Mar 2016 #30
casperthegm Mar 2016 #32
upaloopa Mar 2016 #35
casperthegm Mar 2016 #39
upaloopa Mar 2016 #47
casperthegm Mar 2016 #50
NanceGreggs Mar 2016 #36
alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #37
geek tragedy Mar 2016 #40
840high Mar 2016 #41
upaloopa Mar 2016 #46
840high Mar 2016 #48
KingFlorez Mar 2016 #43
So Far From Heaven Mar 2016 #49
bigtree Mar 2016 #52
snowy owl Mar 2016 #53
Gothmog Mar 2016 #54
TCJ70 Mar 2016 #55
Vinca Mar 2016 #59
Doctor_J Mar 2016 #61

Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:11 PM

1. maybe if it weren't for those convenient, coincidental, shenanigans?

 

only a fool would want to risk Hillary getting the nom. She is going to lose the general. No matter what comes out, the republicans will swamp her with it and they know and are willing to use shenanigans themselves. She is going to fucking lose.

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:36 PM

20. My Gawd... WHAT IS Wrong With People? Character and Integrity... In A Candidate Are Not Important..

BEYOND ALL ELSE??? WTF?

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Response to CorporatistNation (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:41 PM

25. Yup. Also, I would add that going from 0% to 48% nationally with no Wall $treet Cash ain't bad...

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Response to CorporatistNation (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:53 PM

42. Clinton supporters don't care. Very sad.

 

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:13 AM

57. Do ya actually think the woman-hating-punish-them-for-abortions, immigrant-hating . . .

penis-size-bragging-on-national-TV, opponent-wife-bashing, violence-encouraging-at-his-rallies, his-own-party-splitting, no-actual-policy-positions-having, clown-car occupant, not-to-mention-racist will actually beat Clinton or Sanders for that matter?

HAH!

Not a chance just too many videos out there of him spewing all of the above.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:16 PM

2. I know, right? It's pathetic. He can't win on merit, so have him win...I mean get the nomination

anyway he can.

Talk about a coronation!

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:18 PM

3. So pathetic

 

The devotees of Unicorn J. Sparklepony can't #feelthemath and just go away.

The free stuff revolution is irresistible!

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:15 PM

13. Did I log into free republic by mistake?

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Response to libtodeath (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:54 PM

33. Sometimes it appears that way... from cosmicone's transparency page:


7. I feel sorry for the guy

He has an agenda to get free healthcare -- I don't blame him. May he find happiness.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:19 PM

4. Bullseye. Bernie loses on issues, so it's on to conspiracies.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:23 PM

9. Really?

 



I see the difference, all right.

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Response to hrmbaja (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:24 PM

10. Hello again!

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Response to DanTex (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:17 PM

15. Cute, isn't it?

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:43 PM

27. just adorable

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Response to hrmbaja (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:35 PM

19. So why is he losing? Why do we see constant OP's about indictments, flipping delegates and

transcripts?

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:36 PM

21. All of them are Hillary's issues.

 

Not the people of the United States issues.

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Response to hrmbaja (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:42 PM

26. Seems to me they are Bernie Supporter issues nobody else cares.

Last edited Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:57 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #26)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:56 PM

44. hahaa - keep thinking that.

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #44)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:57 PM

45. I will

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:20 PM

5. Except in the 14 States he has won, several by enormous margins including all three of the most

 

recent States to vote. So he can't win, expect when he wins?

Oh, I forgot. Hillary fans say some States don't count.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:20 PM

7. Sanders is the nominee of the caucuses and Hillary is the nominee of the primaries.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:12 PM

12. He's won 14 States, all three of the most recent by huge margins. You claim those voters do not

 

count. I do not agree with you. He's won primaries, she's won caucuses. He'll win the Oregon primary. Trying to dismiss all of those voters is nasty politics. The OP says he can't win, but he's been winning lots of States. The OP is wrong. You want to erase the voters who gave him those wins, you are wrong.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:33 PM

18. I said he cannot win on message and you agree with me that is why the need for indictment

flipping delegates and transcripts.

If he is really going to win stop hoping for indictments, flipping delegates and transcripts.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:06 PM

38. since when is he responsible for her

Criminality and possible indictment and why doesn't her criminality bother you. Good questions.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:29 AM

58. You got your last sentence a little wrong.

We've heard over and over and over from Sanders supporters (including top advisor Tad Devine) that the southern states didn't count because . . . what was it? . . . oh, because there were black people voting who didn't know what was good for them and they didn't really try to win the so-called red states.

Turns out, if the Sanders campaign had taken a huge part of the dem constituency seriously and figured out how to get a good portion of those black votes he'd, be winning right now.

Duh! But they didn't.

And double duh! Cornell West as a surrogate, we tried to tell you guys that was a mistake.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:20 PM

6. As he steals data, logos and endorsements, Attacks the Democratic party endlessly, blame the for his

 

loss....

Campaign of integrity. What we are looking to run the country in this contemptuous time.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:36 AM

60. Bernie steals logos? Like this?

 

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that!
Rather ironic with the name too, don't ya think?
Google is your friend, you should use it.


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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:21 PM

8. Someone's worried!


And it's not Bernie or his supporters

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:30 PM

17. I think I figured out why the need to say someone is worried or scared. It's because you need me

to be worried as some kind of reinforcement because of your insecurity with your candidate's chances. See if I am truly worried than maybe your guy is winning.

Well I am not worried and your guy is not winning.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:39 PM

23. Do I need you? No.

But I do find you entertaining and not in a bad or rude way.

I'm not insecure in Bernie's chances at all. I've been very open about his strengths and weaknesses. I've also always said that this would be a long game.

But deep down I do think that anyone who talks in absolutes in regards to Hillary are worried.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:46 PM

29. If I ever worry it is mostly about money. I have a vision of Hillary in the White House

I am a believer in the power of attraction. If I were worried I wouldn't have my vision.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #29)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:53 PM

31. Yes that can be very powerful

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:29 PM

11. No. The problem is getting the message out in time.

Look at how this internet adoption map compares to how states have voted so far

http://www.citylab.com/work/2015/09/americas-digital-divide-has-decreased-but-not-nearly-enough/406885/


4 minutes to change someone's vote.


With tv media being so dismissive, the Sanders campaign's only hope is internet and people power.

Sanders is chasing the sun. Clinton just has to run out the clock.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:53 AM

56. Interesting.

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Response to Newkularblue (Reply #56)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:48 AM

63. Notice Alaska and Hawaii are very non-white, but have high internet adoption rates

And Sanders crushed there.

This is not about race. It is about the control of information.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:17 PM

14. Easy to say when you're hiding behind the superdelegates. n/t

 

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:05 AM

51. Makes me wonder why Sanders is seeking to "hide" behind the super delegates if they are bad.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:23 PM

16. Backing of the party apparatus, fawning lapdog media, DNC stacking the deck in her favor..

and she still can't close the deal on a 74 year-old self-proclaimed socialist. Worst. Candidate. Ever.

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Response to frylock (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:41 PM

24. Her only chance of winning a general election is if the Republicans also co-incidentally nominate

their worst candidate ever.

Possible, our worst candidate ever could beat their worst candidate ever, but that's really taking an unnecessary risk of horrible Republican administration.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:39 PM

22. Is there anyone on DU who actually prefers Hillary's message? If so, what is it? I get that she has

more experience in foreign affairs (I just doubt that this is a big advantage in an election where the focus is on domestic issues).

I get that she has a virtual lock on establishment endorsements (again, I just doubt that this is a big asset in a change-themed election).

And I get that she has got different genitalia than Sanders (actually, I'll give you this one -- it's long overdue that we elect a woman president).

But what part of Hillary's "message" is persuasive to a progressive voter who is more dovish than hawkish in foreign policy?

I could vote for her in a general election if I must because Cruz and Trump are monsters, but what does she offer beyond "I'm less awful than Trump and Cruz, and I'm a woman and it's about fucking time we elected a woman president"?

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:55 PM

34. Is there ever a perfect candidate that fits our wishes perfectly?

When has the world ever been what you want it to be? Life isn't like that.

Bernie and Hillary are both flawed as are all of us.

I think Hillary is progressive. She has been caring about women's and children's issues her whole life.

She has tremendous amounts of experience and incite into all our problems.

She wants just about the same things Bernie and his supporters want but will go about them in ways that will get us there sooner.

The narrative of Hillary that is painted here is false. The Hillary you all love to hate is a fiction you all created in your minds.

She will be a great President.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:41 AM

62. The Hillary you all love to hate is a fiction you all created in your minds. WHAT?

 

Iraq was created in our minds?
Saudi weapon deals were created in our minds?
On and on, you know the spiel. You honestly think this stuff was created in our minds? Anybody can go to youtube and find stuff like this, in her own words, but that was created in our minds? Really?

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:21 AM

64. Yes, the perfect candidate who fits my wishes perfectly is Bernie Sanders (or Elizabeth Warren - I'm

flexible).

You say "Bernie and Hillary are both flawed as are all of us." I agree, but the flaws I see in Sanders are superficial (if I were to create an ideal candidate, for example, I might choose one who was a little younger than Sanders).

Hillary has experience (by analogy, I were looking for a boat captain, I agree that she is a good and capable pilot), but her experience leads her to pull us in the wrong direction and toward more international conflict toward emphasizing commerce ahead of the environment or domestic jobs (so she's a capable pilot but wants to steer the boat in the wrong direction).

I don't hate Hillary. I have said a thousand times, she is the favorite and Sanders is the long-shot underdog, and I will vote for the nominee no matter who it is (that means I think, more likely than not, I'll be voting for Hillary in the Fall). What I dislike about Hillary's candidacy is (1) her moderate/centrist platform is somewhere in the middle between Sanders' platform and the Republican platform and I strongly prefer Sanders' platform among those options and (2) she is status quo candidate who is distrusted and disliked by the voters we need to support our nominee if we are going to win in the Fall (I distrust Hillary somewhat, but I distrust Cruz far, far more, and I don't dislike Hillary but I am aware that millions of independent and young Democratic voters who do and this enhances my concerns about her electability).

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:45 PM

28. Of course he cant. He is getting fucking wrecked on popular vote. nt

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:52 PM

30. That might be how you see it - not me.

Let's keep it simple:

Maybe since you're in this mode you can explain why Hillary needs to lie about stuff.

The indictment stuff isn't Bernie's doing. That belongs to Hillary.

The transcripts are Hillary's doing too. Bernie and his supporters didn't take hundreds of thousands of dollars from Goldman Sachs.

I'd suggest the discussion of flipping delegates comes about for a candidate and media who likes to count their chickens before they're hatched.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:53 PM

32. Bernie doesn't need anything; Hillary provides a wealth of material all by herself

The real question we should be asking is why, with all of the poor decisions (Iraq, Syria, the emails), questionable political positions (fracking, NAFTA, TPP, opposing Glass Steagall), and numerous other real issues that should matter to voters, why she has as much support as she does, don't you think?

I mean, look at those things- Bernie is the complete opposite of Hillary on all of those things and doesn't take money from Wall Street. Isn't that what voters should be looking at? And if not, why aren't they?

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Response to casperthegm (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:58 PM

35. Because it is mostly all untrue

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #35)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:07 PM

39. Oh, well that explains it, thanks

Here, I thought she supported fracking, supported NAFTA, supported TPP(though, I believe she eventually flip flopped- or "evolved" if you prefer), opposed reinstating Glass Steagall, voted for the Iraq war, gave speeches for hundreds of thousand to Wall Street, and was being investigated by the FBI.

Thank goodness you're here to tell me none of this is true.

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Response to casperthegm (Reply #39)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:38 PM

47. Do you ever pay attention to what she says?

No I guess not, You can't let yourself accept the idea that she isn't really the person you make her out to be.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #47)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 05:54 AM

50. You're funny

Thanks for a good laugh to start the morning

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:58 PM

36. He (and his supporters) simply have nothing else.

It's like running a marathon, and your only shot at winning is praying that the front-runner gets hit by a truck before they get to the finish line.

It's rather sad that the entire BS campaign has come down to this. But it has.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:58 PM

37. If Clinton is forced from the ballot for any reason other than a legitimate election loss to Sanders

 

I'd have a really hard time voting for Sanders in the in the general.

You win the primary, fine. You slime your way to it, I see you in the light that's becoming increasingly clear: as fanatics lead by a demagogue.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:09 PM

40. Berni Sanders isn't clapping for the Indictment Fairy, unlike a lot of the people

 

purporting to be his supporters here.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:52 PM

41. Comey will be interviewing

 

Hillary in a very short time.

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Response to 840high (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:35 PM

46. Which means this thing will be put to bed soon with no indictment

But I doubt some people will be satisfied with that.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #46)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:55 PM

48. I'll wait and see what happens. At least

 

we will be reaching the end of this mess.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:55 PM

43. Every time the math looks harder for Sanders more indictment posts pop up

Coincidence? I don't think so. If Clinton was losing this primary and Sanders was the clear leader with an insurmountable lead, there would be little talk about the emails.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:16 AM

49. It would seem to me

that if your allegation that Bernie needs to 'get an edge' because he's losing has any merit, then there would be no need to post anything.

What are you REALLY afraid of?

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:07 AM

52. big K&R!

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:13 AM

53. That's a crock. Both candidates have talking pts. No indictments. Flipping delegates? Obama.

Why do you post such trash. Really. Bernie can't process an indictment although Hillary could possibly be indicted. I'm not expecting it. Bernie didn't create the problem.

What's wrong with rallies and inspiring people? Are you jealous or resentful of his success doing that?

Obama flipped delegates. Was that a problem for you? It's part of politics

So far I haven't see Bernie rummaging through any transcripts although for you to make such a false allegation, one would assume you are afraid of those transcripts. Am I right?

Getting an edge? That's called competition. It is what campaigns are about.

Are you new to the process?

Now, it would be nice if you would post the evidence you think makes Hillary a better candidate for President. Can you do that?

On another thread, people are bemoaning trolling. I asked what defined a troll and I was told people who post just to get adverse reactions. Is your rant an example of trolling?

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:38 AM

54. The math is against Sanders and so he needs to flip both pledged and super delegates

The concept that the FBI was going to indict Clinton was really stupid and sad

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:44 AM

55. If this were true, he wouldn't have won any states other than Vermont, through name recognition...

...which is entirely how Clinton is winning. Hillary supporters are under the assumption that everyone knows Sanders message now so it can't be said they don't know him (which in reality is still a problem for him). If his message didn't resonate, he wouldn't be getting close to 50% of the vote in primary states or winning caucus states handily. When you start at 2% and end up between 40-50% you're doing, and saying, something right.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:34 AM

59. I think if Bernie hadn't been "disappeared" by the media in the early days of his campaign,

he would probably be in the lead. Time and time again Bernie has shown that if the people get to know him, they support him. I'm a little tired of the demeaning of a man who has done the impossible: come within striking distance of one of the biggest icons in the Democratic Party. Just this morning Hillary said she will wrap up the nomination in April rather than March. Bernie might not end up the winner, but at least he put a few kinks in the coronation plan.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:40 AM

61. If true, that is bad news for the party

 



If a majority actually favor Clinton's agenda over Sanders, the country is in big trouble

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