Indictment, flipping delegates, transcripts needed because Bernie can't win on message

[upaloopa]

40 years of talking points. Thousands attending rallies. Yet he needs indictments, flipping delegates and rummaging through transcripts for something to get an edge.

[2pooped2pop]

1. maybe if it weren't for those convenient, coincidental, shenanigans?

only a fool would want to risk Hillary getting the nom. She is going to lose the general. No matter what comes out, the republicans will swamp her with it and they know and are willing to use shenanigans themselves. She is going to fucking lose.

[CorporatistNation]

20. My Gawd... WHAT IS Wrong With People? Character and Integrity... In A Candidate Are Not Important..

BEYOND ALL ELSE??? WTF?

[reformist2]

25. Yup. Also, I would add that going from 0% to 48% nationally with no Wall $treet Cash ain't bad...

[840high]

42. Clinton supporters don't care. Very sad.

[brush]

57. Do ya actually think the woman-hating-punish-them-for-abortions, immigrant-hating . . .

penis-size-bragging-on-national-TV, opponent-wife-bashing, violence-encouraging-at-his-rallies, his-own-party-splitting, no-actual-policy-positions-having, clown-car occupant, not-to-mention-racist will actually beat Clinton — or Sanders for that matter?

HAH!

Not a chance — just too many videos out there of him spewing all of the above.

[lunamagica]

2. I know, right? It's pathetic. He can't win on merit, so have him win...I mean get the nomination

anyway he can.

Talk about a coronation!

[cosmicone]

3. So pathetic

The devotees of Unicorn J. Sparklepony can't #feelthemath and just go away.

The free stuff revolution is irresistible!

[libtodeath]

13. Did I log into free republic by mistake?

[JonLeibowitz]

33. Sometimes it appears that way... from cosmicone's transparency page:

7. I feel sorry for the guy

He has an agenda to get free healthcare -- I don't blame him. May he find happiness.

[DanTex]

4. Bullseye. Bernie loses on issues, so it's on to conspiracies.

[hrmbaja]

9. Really?

I see the difference, all right.

[DanTex]

10. Hello again!

[uppityperson]

15. Cute, isn't it?

[rbrnmw]

27. just adorable

[upaloopa]

19. So why is he losing? Why do we see constant OP's about indictments, flipping delegates and

transcripts?

[hrmbaja]

21. All of them are Hillary's issues.

Not the people of the United States issues.

[upaloopa]

26. Seems to me they are Bernie Supporter issues nobody else cares.

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[840high]

44. hahaa - keep thinking that.

[upaloopa]

45. I will

[Bluenorthwest]

5. Except in the 14 States he has won, several by enormous margins including all three of the most

recent States to vote. So he can't win, expect when he wins?

Oh, I forgot. Hillary fans say some States don't count.

[seabeyond]

7. Sanders is the nominee of the caucuses and Hillary is the nominee of the primaries.

[Bluenorthwest]

12. He's won 14 States, all three of the most recent by huge margins. You claim those voters do not

count. I do not agree with you. He's won primaries, she's won caucuses. He'll win the Oregon primary. Trying to dismiss all of those voters is nasty politics. The OP says he can't win, but he's been winning lots of States. The OP is wrong. You want to erase the voters who gave him those wins, you are wrong.

[upaloopa]

18. I said he cannot win on message and you agree with me that is why the need for indictment

flipping delegates and transcripts.

If he is really going to win stop hoping for indictments, flipping delegates and transcripts.

[roguevalley]

38. since when is he responsible for her

Criminality and possible indictment and why doesn't her criminality bother you. Good questions.

[brush]

58. You got your last sentence a little wrong.

We've heard over and over and over from Sanders supporters (including top advisor Tad Devine) that the southern states didn't count because . . . what was it? . . . oh, because there were black people voting who didn't know what was good for them and they didn't really try to win the so-called red states.

Turns out, if the Sanders campaign had taken a huge part of the dem constituency seriously and figured out how to get a good portion of those black votes he'd, be winning right now.

Duh! But they didn't.

And double duh! — Cornell West as a surrogate, we tried to tell you guys that was a mistake.

[seabeyond]

6. As he steals data, logos and endorsements, Attacks the Democratic party endlessly, blame the for his

loss....

Campaign of integrity. What we are looking to run the country in this contemptuous time.

[pinebox]

60. Bernie steals logos? Like this?

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that!
Rather ironic with the name too, don't ya think?
Google is your friend, you should use it.

[NWCorona]

8. Someone's worried!

And it's not Bernie or his supporters

[upaloopa]

17. I think I figured out why the need to say someone is worried or scared. It's because you need me

to be worried as some kind of reinforcement because of your insecurity with your candidate's chances. See if I am truly worried than maybe your guy is winning.

Well I am not worried and your guy is not winning.

[NWCorona]

23. Do I need you? No.

But I do find you entertaining and not in a bad or rude way.

I'm not insecure in Bernie's chances at all. I've been very open about his strengths and weaknesses. I've also always said that this would be a long game.

But deep down I do think that anyone who talks in absolutes in regards to Hillary are worried.

[upaloopa]

29. If I ever worry it is mostly about money. I have a vision of Hillary in the White House

I am a believer in the power of attraction. If I were worried I wouldn't have my vision.

[NWCorona]

31. Yes that can be very powerful

[Ash_F]

11. No. The problem is getting the message out in time.

Look at how this internet adoption map compares to how states have voted so far

http://www.citylab.com/work/2015/09/americas-digital-divide-has-decreased-but-not-nearly-enough/406885/


4 minutes to change someone's vote.

With tv media being so dismissive, the Sanders campaign's only hope is internet and people power.

Sanders is chasing the sun. Clinton just has to run out the clock.

[Newkularblue]

56. Interesting.

[Ash_F]

63. Notice Alaska and Hawaii are very non-white, but have high internet adoption rates

And Sanders crushed there.

This is not about race. It is about the control of information.

[lumberjack_jeff]

14. Easy to say when you're hiding behind the superdelegates. n/t

[Thinkingabout]

51. Makes me wonder why Sanders is seeking to "hide" behind the super delegates if they are bad.

[frylock]

16. Backing of the party apparatus, fawning lapdog media, DNC stacking the deck in her favor..

and she still can't close the deal on a 74 year-old self-proclaimed socialist. Worst. Candidate. Ever.

[Attorney in Texas]

24. Her only chance of winning a general election is if the Republicans also co-incidentally nominate

their worst candidate ever.

Possible, our worst candidate ever could beat their worst candidate ever, but that's really taking an unnecessary risk of horrible Republican administration.

[Attorney in Texas]

22. Is there anyone on DU who actually prefers Hillary's message? If so, what is it? I get that she has

more experience in foreign affairs (I just doubt that this is a big advantage in an election where the focus is on domestic issues).

I get that she has a virtual lock on establishment endorsements (again, I just doubt that this is a big asset in a change-themed election).

And I get that she has got different genitalia than Sanders (actually, I'll give you this one -- it's long overdue that we elect a woman president).

But what part of Hillary's "message" is persuasive to a progressive voter who is more dovish than hawkish in foreign policy?

I could vote for her in a general election if I must because Cruz and Trump are monsters, but what does she offer beyond "I'm less awful than Trump and Cruz, and I'm a woman and it's about fucking time we elected a woman president"?

[upaloopa]

34. Is there ever a perfect candidate that fits our wishes perfectly?

When has the world ever been what you want it to be? Life isn't like that.

Bernie and Hillary are both flawed as are all of us.

I think Hillary is progressive. She has been caring about women's and children's issues her whole life.

She has tremendous amounts of experience and incite into all our problems.

She wants just about the same things Bernie and his supporters want but will go about them in ways that will get us there sooner.

The narrative of Hillary that is painted here is false. The Hillary you all love to hate is a fiction you all created in your minds.

She will be a great President.

[pinebox]

62. The Hillary you all love to hate is a fiction you all created in your minds. WHAT?

Iraq was created in our minds?
Saudi weapon deals were created in our minds?
On and on, you know the spiel. You honestly think this stuff was created in our minds? Anybody can go to youtube and find stuff like this, in her own words, but that was created in our minds? Really?

[Attorney in Texas]

64. Yes, the perfect candidate who fits my wishes perfectly is Bernie Sanders (or Elizabeth Warren - I'm

flexible).

You say "Bernie and Hillary are both flawed as are all of us." I agree, but the flaws I see in Sanders are superficial (if I were to create an ideal candidate, for example, I might choose one who was a little younger than Sanders).

Hillary has experience (by analogy, I were looking for a boat captain, I agree that she is a good and capable pilot), but her experience leads her to pull us in the wrong direction and toward more international conflict toward emphasizing commerce ahead of the environment or domestic jobs (so she's a capable pilot but wants to steer the boat in the wrong direction).

I don't hate Hillary. I have said a thousand times, she is the favorite and Sanders is the long-shot underdog, and I will vote for the nominee no matter who it is (that means I think, more likely than not, I'll be voting for Hillary in the Fall). What I dislike about Hillary's candidacy is (1) her moderate/centrist platform is somewhere in the middle between Sanders' platform and the Republican platform and I strongly prefer Sanders' platform among those options and (2) she is status quo candidate who is distrusted and disliked by the voters we need to support our nominee if we are going to win in the Fall (I distrust Hillary somewhat, but I distrust Cruz far, far more, and I don't dislike Hillary but I am aware that millions of independent and young Democratic voters who do and this enhances my concerns about her electability).

[LexVegas]

28. Of course he cant. He is getting fucking wrecked on popular vote. nt

[Jarqui]

30. That might be how you see it - not me.

Let's keep it simple:

Maybe since you're in this mode you can explain why Hillary needs to lie about stuff.

The indictment stuff isn't Bernie's doing. That belongs to Hillary.

The transcripts are Hillary's doing too. Bernie and his supporters didn't take hundreds of thousands of dollars from Goldman Sachs.

I'd suggest the discussion of flipping delegates comes about for a candidate and media who likes to count their chickens before they're hatched.

[casperthegm]

32. Bernie doesn't need anything; Hillary provides a wealth of material all by herself

The real question we should be asking is why, with all of the poor decisions (Iraq, Syria, the emails), questionable political positions (fracking, NAFTA, TPP, opposing Glass Steagall), and numerous other real issues that should matter to voters, why she has as much support as she does, don't you think?

I mean, look at those things- Bernie is the complete opposite of Hillary on all of those things and doesn't take money from Wall Street. Isn't that what voters should be looking at? And if not, why aren't they?

[upaloopa]

35. Because it is mostly all untrue

[casperthegm]

39. Oh, well that explains it, thanks

Here, I thought she supported fracking, supported NAFTA, supported TPP(though, I believe she eventually flip flopped- or "evolved" if you prefer), opposed reinstating Glass Steagall, voted for the Iraq war, gave speeches for hundreds of thousand to Wall Street, and was being investigated by the FBI.

Thank goodness you're here to tell me none of this is true.

[upaloopa]

47. Do you ever pay attention to what she says?

No I guess not, You can't let yourself accept the idea that she isn't really the person you make her out to be.

[casperthegm]

50. You're funny

Thanks for a good laugh to start the morning

[NanceGreggs]

36. He (and his supporters) simply have nothing else.

It's like running a marathon, and your only shot at winning is praying that the front-runner gets hit by a truck before they get to the finish line.

It's rather sad that the entire BS campaign has come down to this. But it has.

[alcibiades_mystery]

37. If Clinton is forced from the ballot for any reason other than a legitimate election loss to Sanders

I'd have a really hard time voting for Sanders in the in the general.

You win the primary, fine. You slime your way to it, I see you in the light that's becoming increasingly clear: as fanatics lead by a demagogue.

[geek tragedy]

40. Berni Sanders isn't clapping for the Indictment Fairy, unlike a lot of the people

purporting to be his supporters here.

[840high]

41. Comey will be interviewing

Hillary in a very short time.

[upaloopa]

46. Which means this thing will be put to bed soon with no indictment

But I doubt some people will be satisfied with that.

[840high]

48. I'll wait and see what happens. At least

we will be reaching the end of this mess.

[KingFlorez]

43. Every time the math looks harder for Sanders more indictment posts pop up

Coincidence? I don't think so. If Clinton was losing this primary and Sanders was the clear leader with an insurmountable lead, there would be little talk about the emails.

[So Far From Heaven]

49. It would seem to me

that if your allegation that Bernie needs to 'get an edge' because he's losing has any merit, then there would be no need to post anything.

What are you REALLY afraid of?

[bigtree]

52. big K&R!

[snowy owl]

53. That's a crock. Both candidates have talking pts. No indictments. Flipping delegates? Obama.

Why do you post such trash. Really. Bernie can't process an indictment although Hillary could possibly be indicted. I'm not expecting it. Bernie didn't create the problem.

What's wrong with rallies and inspiring people? Are you jealous or resentful of his success doing that?

Obama flipped delegates. Was that a problem for you? It's part of politics

So far I haven't see Bernie rummaging through any transcripts although for you to make such a false allegation, one would assume you are afraid of those transcripts. Am I right?

Getting an edge? That's called competition. It is what campaigns are about.

Are you new to the process?

Now, it would be nice if you would post the evidence you think makes Hillary a better candidate for President. Can you do that?

On another thread, people are bemoaning trolling. I asked what defined a troll and I was told people who post just to get adverse reactions. Is your rant an example of trolling?

[Gothmog]

54. The math is against Sanders and so he needs to flip both pledged and super delegates

The concept that the FBI was going to indict Clinton was really stupid and sad

[TCJ70]

55. If this were true, he wouldn't have won any states other than Vermont, through name recognition...

...which is entirely how Clinton is winning. Hillary supporters are under the assumption that everyone knows Sanders message now so it can't be said they don't know him (which in reality is still a problem for him). If his message didn't resonate, he wouldn't be getting close to 50% of the vote in primary states or winning caucus states handily. When you start at 2% and end up between 40-50% you're doing, and saying, something right.

[Vinca]

59. I think if Bernie hadn't been "disappeared" by the media in the early days of his campaign,

he would probably be in the lead. Time and time again Bernie has shown that if the people get to know him, they support him. I'm a little tired of the demeaning of a man who has done the impossible: come within striking distance of one of the biggest icons in the Democratic Party. Just this morning Hillary said she will wrap up the nomination in April rather than March. Bernie might not end up the winner, but at least he put a few kinks in the coronation plan.

[Doctor_J]

61. If true, that is bad news for the party

If a majority actually favor Clinton's agenda over Sanders, the country is in big trouble