Clinton willing to back a constitutional amendment restricting abortion

[eridani]

Why go there at any level?? Why????

Hillary Clinton: I Could Compromise on Abortion If It Included Exceptions For Mother's Health

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/29/hillary_clinton_i_could_compromise_on_abortion_if_it_included_exceptions_for_mothers_health.html

Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action.

[revbones]

1. Hillary followers - any takers?

*crickets*

[jeff47]

2. Apparently "Trust Women" is a fringe left-wing idea. (nt)

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. In what universe is this OK?

I realize that constitutional amendments are almost impossible to accomplish, but the fact that she's even willing to consider the idea is appalling. Who is she pandering to this time?

[geek tragedy]

10. It's regarding 3rd trimester abortions, which aren't constitutionally protected now nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. So what? Why would she want to restrict them?

Who is she sucking up to this time?

[geek tragedy]

13. Third trimester abortions are a dangerous political area for pro-choice policy makers

At the stage where the fetus is viable, an uncompromising pro-choice position is not as politically tenable as it is for first trimester abortions.

The poll numbers are scary.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Well, Hillary is always careful to check which way the wind is blowing.

[geek tragedy]

20. It's easy to be inflexible when you're not actively fighting off

legislation. But when people are fighting legislation that has 60-80% support, the advocates fighting it need to at least pretend to be flexible otherwise they can get overrun.

[longship]

52. So that's why one supports a Constitutional amendment????

Please tell me how that makes any logical sense whatsoever!!!

[John Poet]

55. Well, Hillary is excellent at "pretending".

She does it often enough.

[roguevalley]

77. it intrigues me why anyone would support this person. is there anything

that she hold sacred that she isn't willing to give away for the rest of us?

[Arugula Latte]

19. "The poll numbers" -- and there it is.

That sums up Hillary "No Firm Liberal Ideals" Clinton in a nutshell.

[geek tragedy]

25. Yes, that legislation has a very high level of support.

So, if someone is going to try to fight that legislation, they have to at least pretend to show some flexibility.

Here, she was indicating a possible willingness to support something she knows will never pass.

Because the goal is to prevent legislation from passing.

[Jim Lane]

75. Legislation and constitutional amendment are two different things

Roe v. Wade does allow some regulation of abortion. Therefore, if she's referring to some procedure that's not barred by Roe v. Wade, then it's purely a decision for the legislature. Such a bill could be passed and implemented without a constitutional amendment.

The only reason for any amendment would be to prohibit or enable the legislature to prohibit something that's protected by Roe v. Wade. So in what respect, exactly, does she believe Roe v. Wade is too protective of reproductive rights?

[beam me up scottie]

26. Poll numbers, eh? That's some male privilege you have there.

[loyalsister]

49. Buying into the idea that they need to be reigned in is as anti-choice as it gets

No woman has an abortion in her third trimester unless there is a health issue. To accept the belief that this is something women do because they forgor to take a trip to the clinic during the first trimester demonizes women by perpetuating the lie that women regularly use abortion as birth control.
I don't think she was suggesting a consitutional amendment. Most likely something that falls within the ruling. But, her rhetoric is indefensible and completely counter to what feminism is about. TRUST WOMEN!!!

[beam me up scottie]

51. ^^^THAT RIGHT THERE^^^

[MrMickeysMom]

59. And, as we all know... HRC reacts to polls like a flag reacts to the wind

[Kelvin Mace]

76. So, we should outlaw third trimester abortions?

and enshrine it in the Constitution?

Sorry, no. Civil rights are not subject to polls. A woman either has control of her own body or she doesn't. There is NO middle ground. Fetal viability is a bad peg to hang a law on, as medical tech improves, viability will get earlier and earlier.

[joshcryer]

57. This is incorrect. Viability has always been the impetus.

Read Roe v Wade, it's one of the greatest philosophical pieces of jurisprudence ever written.

There are only about 100 third trimester abortions every year, they are extremely rare. It's fetuses that are basically brain dead or the mother is in extremely dire health.

But it does happen.

Clinton's view (health of mother) wouldn't change this whatsoever, and NARAL gives her a 100% and has endorsed her for a reason, they know this is specific language for actually strengthening abortion rights, because the zygote is literally a parasite on the host. Pregnancy is unhealthy by definition.

Now, I know saying "parasite" here is charged language, and many people would think I am being cruel or unfair to women who willfully get pregnant, and that is not my intention at all, I'm just trying to place an extra emphasis here. The zygote literally starts off as a trophoblast (cell structure which takes away from the host), there are so many health complications that arise from simply being pregnant. It is a wonder, a fantastic, amazing thing, that we as a species are proliferated through this process, and all women who chose to get pregnant and have a child should be applauded.

But there are simply health consequences that cannot be ignored in any private procedures undertaken between a woman and her doctors. That's what Roe v Wade talked about extensively. I had a re-read of it again, because, really, it's an amazing piece of written work.

[riversedge]

74. Right. Why are many saying she wants further restrictions? I do not

follow their logic. They just keep posting the same quote over and over. Can you help?

[AzDar]

4. She'll say/do ANYTHING she thinks will get her elected...

[DebbieCDC]

5. It's in the GOP platform right?

'Nuff said

[longship]

6. Says the C Street "Family" member, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Rachel Maddow explains:

And yup! Hillary Clinton was one of them. Probably still is.

I have a visceral disgust for anybody who mixes religion and politics, or religion and government. Just like Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Franklyn, Adams, Paine, etc, etc, etc.

So is my disgust for Secy Clinton.

I am a lifelong Democrat, so if she manages to gain the 2016 presidential nomination I will support and vote for her. However, it will only be because the alternative will be so incredibly odious that it will make the decision... Well...

That will be the most difficult vote of my life, and I was born in the 40's.

I think that there's a real chance that she won't win in November. I have less confidence in Hillary winning than I did for Michael Dukakis, even after he rode a tank in a Darth Vader helmet.

That is why I was proud that I voted for Bernie Sanders in the MI primary.

My best to you all. And no matter which Dem candidate you support, for Christ sakes, GOTV.

[beam me up scottie]

7. This can't be posted often enough.

Every time her supporters accuse Bernie of not supporting our rights they need to be reminded of this.

[geek tragedy]

8. Third trimester abortions. nt

[eridani]

12. So? ANY opening of the door to constitutional restrictions on abortion rights--

--is opening the door to getting women fucked over.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. Exactly.

[geek tragedy]

16. They were never protected.

That's the danger--state statutes set the limits, not the courts. And if you don't bend, they may break.

[eridani]

17. I really can't believe there is anyone apologizing for this bullshit n/t

[beam me up scottie]

22. I can, it's not his life that's at stake.

[geek tragedy]

30. I just realized your post title is a blatant lie.

She doesn't discuss an amendment in that clip.
Shame on you.

She says if a restriction is constitutional and protects the well-being of the mother she has an open mind.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

24. So then let's restrict them via the Constitution?

It's a descent down the slippery slope toward the elimination of all abortion rights.

[geek tragedy]

27. There will never be such an amendment.

If you know it and I know it, she knows it.

And also, she's saying she would support not an amendment but a restriction that is constitutional.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

35. Then her statement is even more reprehensible and phony.

She's either advocating something that she knows won't happen, or else indicating an approval of an abortion restriction, in a transparent attempt to pander to the right wing of the party. Either way, it shows she's willing to throw women under the bus despite her portrayal of herself as the best protector of women's rights.

[geek tragedy]

38. No, actually we both got suckered by the dishonest op title

Clinton says she only supports action that is constitutional. She is not saying she supports a constitutional amendment.

The context: Bans on abortion are not constitutional until 24 weeks of pregnancy.


The context part 2: Republicans are pushing a ban that starts at 20 weeks, which is still unconstitutional-for now, but that could change if Trump wins.

So Clinton is giving a very nuanced answer. She flat out opposes 20 week bans, because they are unconstitutional.

[longship]

53. But she said she'd support amending the Constitution!!!!!

God I hate her position on this!!!!

And she is the women's candidate?

Do they know that she has this position?

Supporting a Constitutional Amendment on abortion?

God help us all if she gets into the White House.

Worse yet is if any of the GOP candidates get there.

Work for Bernie! He's the answer to this utter madness!

Hillary? BAH!!!

[geek tragedy]

62. No she did not say that. nt

[joshcryer]

58. "health of mother" is not a restriction, it's an expansion.

So many states ban abortion regardless of the health of the mother, or even the zygote / fetus. By constitutionally mandating "health of mother" it ensures that the process is between the pregnant woman and her doctor. It's actually a legalistic trick that Clinton is employing.

[bettyellen]

72. But you'd actually have to be familiar with the history of the fight to preserve reproductive rights

to know that. All these people pretending to give a shit do not. Bernie has done less and apes Clinton's positions and supports legislation that she worked on- and he gets all the credit. Nope.

[Matariki]

81. And as someone who's had one of those for a very good reason

I think this is NONE OF ANYONE'S BUSINESS.

And if this is true about Clinton, well screw her. And if her supporters move to this right wing position because of blind candidate fandom, well screw them too.

[global1]

9. Is This What They Call Tacking To The Right?.....nt

[LostOne4Ever]

18. It the woman's body, its the woman's choice. nt

[desmiller]

23. agreed. Is that Saber Lily?

[LostOne4Ever]

29. Sure is! I love the Fate Series :D

[desmiller]

32. Me too. Out of all the Fate Series, my true favorite is Extra for the PSP, with Red Saber and

Caster - who is trying to waifu material. There's a new game out for Android and iPhone called Fate/ Grand Order.

[Liberty Belle]

21. Awful! What about the mother's right not have a baby with serious birth defects?

Like those poor women being forced to have Zika babies with no brains in Brazil.
Or a woman in poverty who can't afford another child without sacrificing the needs of those she already has?

There are a thousand different reasons why a woman might choose abortion that aren't restricted only to saving her own health or life.
What about the quality of life of the child she would give birth to, and the quality of life for the rest of her family?

[beam me up scottie]

28. The Zika virus is going to challenge existing laws.

This is NOT the time to put abortion on the table.

[CharlotteVale]

31. Oh, isn't that big of her! Willing to show what a compromiser she is and

compromise a woman's right to control her own body.

Constitutional action, huh, Hillary? That's what you call it?

[RandySF]

33. Nothing in her words about a constitutional AMENDMENT.

Please revise.

[beam me up scottie]

36. Oh. My. God. Are you SERIOUS?

Susan Sarandon: Trump Might Be Better for America Than Hillary Clinton

Sanders supporter: Bill Clinton blocked 17,000 people from voting in MA

Those are just two, I'm sure I can find dozens more just like them.

[RandySF]

37. Constutional action meaning action that complies with standing court rulings.

[beam me up scottie]

39. Your history of creatively editing titles makes your demand so ironic ...

that I'm forced to conclude you're joking.

No one, not even you could be so completely lacking in self awareness.

[RandySF]

40. No, I'm just the honest one.

[beam me up scottie]

41. Yep, performance art. I knew it.

Bravo!

[JonLeibowitz]

42. I can read it both ways, actually. In the video she emphasizes "constitutional", which again,

you could read two ways: 1) saying she is okay with a constitutional amendment 2) saying she is okay with any action which happens to be constitutional.

However, Roe v. Wade doesn't allow for Federal restrictions so I don't see how (2) makes any sense whatsoever. Unless she knows that and was allowing herself wiggle room, which is possible. The fact that (2) is impossible makes me lean ever so slightly to (1).

[beam me up scottie]

43. Excellent analysis.

I also lean towards the former.

My first question: why go there at all?

And my second: if Bernie had said the same thing how many Hillary supporters would be saying it's no big deal?

[JonLeibowitz]

44. Question 1 is a good one, and supports both premises equally well.

Question 2 is predictable: it would be like the Bernie Sanders: "Let's talk about other issues" x10000000000

[geek tragedy]

34. Thread title is blatantly false.

Nowhere in that clip does she say she favors amending the constitution.

She says she would only support legislation that is constitutional.

[Warren DeMontague]

45. Can you imagine the complete shit-losing, if Sanders had made an identical statement?

Oh, my fucking god--

"HOW DARE THAT AWFUL, DESPICABLE MAN..... I KNEW HE HATED WOMEN aeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

[riversedge]

46. She says NOTHING about an amendment. You look foolish inserting that word into the

headline.

[senz]

47. Just a little "constitutional restriction" that would require AMENDING the constitution.

Your phobia over the use of a word is ... is ... oh, pick a word out of here: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/pathetic

[riversedge]

61. It means legislature that will stand up under our Constitution. Stop smearing Hillary

[senz]

69. Legislation to RESTRICT A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO ABORTION. Perhaps you're male and don't understand

how disturbing it is to hear this coming from an ostensibly Democratic candidate.

She is so non-Democratic in her outlook, activities, and lifestyle. I find it hard to believe that any genuine Democrat can support her if they know who she is and what she does.

[riversedge]

70. Your post is nothing but sillyness. bye

[senz]

71. Wow. Cannot hear the truth.

[Zira]

48. Which means she has flip flopped on everytghing except fracking now. She's still going to frack

just not downtown your city. She promises. I didn't think it was an option in a major city, but now I realize she probably was going to or she wouldn't have brought it up and used it for when she wouldn't frack.

Meanwhile she's still for ruining ecosystems and destroying clean drinking water(heck people were using it for their tap water), and releasing chemicals that eventually come to the rivers and kill all the fish and the animals who rely on rivers for water - (all wild animals anyplace there is fracking)

[cui bono]

50. Everyone should tweet this to Rachel Maddow!

[longship]

54. Constitutional action???

CONSTITUTIONAL ACTION???????

I thought that was settled in fucking Roe v. Wade.

Apparently Queen Hillary disagrees. Apparently there is always room for compromise when one is willing to go all the way to the opponent's side from the beginning. Isn't that how the New Democratic Party does things?

Here's how it works:
1. Start with the opponent's position.

2. Grovel and beg when one negotiates that they will accept it.

3. Act like you've earned a big victory when they do.

Third Way Crapola.

[beam me up scottie]

63. Oh but she's a leader! A champion! We're just making this all up!

And Bernie's a man which proves he's worse on the issue.

Plus we don't need to worry, they'll never overurn Roe.

Did I miss any of the talking points?

Imagine the furor if Bernie said he was willing to compromise on abortion rights.

Hillary does it and her supporters start the spin cycle.

[Sky Masterson]

56. Integrity! Courage! Vision!

All have not a gawddamn thing to do with Hillary.

[synergie]

60. This has not become any more true since the last few times it was posted.

Reading of the words in the link in context, without skipping over any of them, in order and for comprehension will confirm this.

I am sorry that Bernie is weak on this issue and fell flat on his face when forced to deal with it in the news cycle, but Mr. Single litmus test is not better than his opponent on this issue, it is why she received the endorsements she did. Her record proves that she is, and always has been a staunch defender of reproductive rights, a leader on the issue, while Bernie cannot manage much time on it before pivoting back to his single focus which ignores the real problems facing access. When she and others sponsored legislation, he was on the bandwagon, but he neither knows nor cares about it. Being dishonest about her position, repeatedly, will not diminish her or elevate him.

[Dem2]

64. ^^^

[Zira]

65. Link where Bernie Flip Flopped on this?

And, I see you are completely uninformed. You are talking like a Freeper. They bought the single issue koolaid.

Every speech I've seen Bernie do has covered all kinds of issues. Health care, stopping drug addicts getting locked etc. Do you have any idea how uninformed your post is? I'm off to bed or would stay longer because I doubt you have the integrity to google and watch any of Bernie's speeches to find out. It wouldn't fit your agenda, right? Just saying if you want to push an agenda, don't be so dang uninformed.

[Maedhros]

80. That poster is a paid shill for Camp Weathervane.

Do not expect thoughtful answers, you will only get talking points and propaganda.

[Maedhros]

79. What kind of crack are you smoking that makes you think Bernie is weak on this issue?

I was at his rally in Portland. I saw and heard with my own eyes and ears - Bernie passionately and unequivocally asserted that decisions regarding abortion are for the woman, and the woman alone, to make. Period.

Your are being disingenuous and dishonest.

/ignore list.

[Karma13612]

83. ^^^^ 10 ^^^^ eom

[MisterP]

66. wait, wait, wait, I've heard it on DU that we're the party of choice

therefore this video can't possible exist!

[Scuba]

67. I fail to understand why this woman didn't run on the Republican ticket.

[senz]

68. I've thought that so many times, Scuba. All of her instincts are Republican.

[KingFlorez]

73. So now Clinton is anti-choice?

The desperation is really strong here. Third trimester abortions save for the health of the mother are already illegal per Roe vs. Wade, so it's not like Clinton was saying anything new. To not post the entire quote is a cheap con game move

HILLARY CLINTON: My husband vetoed a very restrictive legislation on late-term abortions and he vetoed it at an event in the White House where we invited a lot of women who had faced this very difficult decision, that ought to be made based on their own conscience, their family, their faith, in consultation with doctors. Those stories left a searing impression on me. Women who think their pregnancy is going well and then wake up and find some really terrible problem. Women whose life is threatened if they carry their child to term, and women who are told by doctors that the child they're carrying will not survive.

It's clear that she was talking about abortion in terms of the third trimester, not abortion overall. I'd love to see Sanders get on stage and call Clinton anti-choice. He'd look so stupid if he actually did this.

[Vinca]

78. It's bad enough we have Republicans playing amateur gynecologists.

[nc4bo]

82. So why didn't Ms. Rachel Maddow ask Ms. Hillary for clarification during her interview?

I know damn good and well Ms. Rachel Maddow stays on top of all things political and that particular Clinton statement set off a firestorm as much as Trump's did.

Doesn't say much about Ms. Rachel's journalistic prowess, does it?

Not kick ass journalism, more like kiss ass journalism.

[Babel_17]

84. Back when winning the primaries was a given, we got to hear some GE talking points

It is revealing.