Hillary Supporting Super Delegates In WA Will Soon Be Sorry

[scottie55]

Washingtonians overwhelmingly chose Bernie.

If you oppose the overwhelming choice of your constituents, wait until a primary challenger comes along with Bernie's platform.

Patty, Maria, and the rest will be toast.

They can unleash the "establishment" all they want, but 4 to 1 support Bernie's ideas and not the corrupt powers that be.

Them.

Hell will be paid.

You heard it here first.

Especially you Rick Larson.

You might as well retire now.

Hell, I may even primary your Hillary loving ass.

And I am just a regular old American tired of being screwed by the 1% and the politicians they control.

[jfern]

1. They don't care

In Vermont, Hillary still has the support of Leahy, Shumlin, and Dean as superdelegates despite failing viability for pledged delegates. In NH, she has the same number of delegates as Bernie despite losing by 22 points thanks to her 6 superdelegates.

[scottie55]

3. They Don't Know What Heat Is

But they're gonna find out.

How about "Occupy Dumbasses"?

Howard Dean, head sellout.

Dumbass in general......

Howard, who is signing your paychecks these days?

Hmmmmmmm?

The people standing on our throats with their jack boots.

We're not that stupid.

[COLGATE4]

58. Like the ant threatening to beat the s---t

out of the Elephant?

[scottie55]

63. You Mean Millions Of Ants

And millions more.

[COLGATE4]

64. Uh huh. nt

[scottie55]

2. Rick Larson's "Problem" Was On The Front Page Of The Seattle Times Today

Telling the Democrats of Washington to get lost.

Bad idea Rick.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/sanders-backers-demand-washington-superdelegates-feel-the-bern/

It is just starting.

"The people" won't stay stupid much longer.

It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know when you are being screwed Ricky.

[Zira]

19. I demand they feel the Bern. We should not have delegates that don't represent the people of the

state.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

54. Where does Larsen say that?

[LisaM]

4. Sonething like 4% of Washingtonians attended the caucuses

And a fair chunk were independents.

[liberal_at_heart]

13. And who's fault is that? The Democratic party chose to get delegates from the caucuses.

We have a wonderful mail in ballot primary system that we Washingtonians love. The Democratic party chose not to use it. And as far as Independents, WA has an open caucus. Democrats seem to loath Independents until they need their vote in November. 40% of Americans consider themselves Independents. Don't be surprised if there is no love lost come November.

[LisaM]

18. I agree that a closed primary is the way to go.

I'm not a fan of mail-only ballots, especially after reading how many spoiled ballots go uncounted.

[liberal_at_heart]

34. Don't get me wrong. You and I do not agree.

I am one of those Independents that you so easily dismiss. You can shut us out of the primaries if you wish, but that just leaves one place for us to go. Well actually two but only one would actually get my vote. And the caucuses are being spoiled as well. We have heard story after story of how people's votes are getting changed or not counted and delegates going to a candidate that it should not have. I have voted using both the caucus method and the mail in vote primary and absolutely love the mail in ballot primary.

[LisaM]

37. I am a lifelong Dem.

And this is Democratic Underground.

[scottie55]

43. And Too Many Democrats Represent Wall Street And Not The Voters

Time some of us are doing something about it.

[LisaM]

52. Fine, seek out their website and join it.

I'm getting a bit cranky about this.

[COLGATE4]

59. +1

[scottie55]

65. "Fine, seek out their website and join it"

Really? Like petitions will really turn the tables on a Wall Street ran government?

Cranky?

Wait till they take your house.

Wait till they take your health care.

Wait till they privatize your Social Security.

Wait till they bomb Iran.

Cranky?

Having Wall Street and the MIC in charge of our government makes me cranky.

[LisaM]

75. Joke's on you.

I don't have a house and have never owned one.

Just find your own damned group. I'm tired of people coming here and slamming the Democrats. I

[liberal_at_heart]

83. There is nothing saying we can't be here. If you don't like what you are hearing from

certain individuals you can always use the trash thread or ignore list function. I use it quite a lot and am about to use it now. Bye.

[LisaM]

85. I've never used it.

I don't want to live in a bubble. It doesn't mean I have to like people coming to Democratic Underground and railing away about the Democratic party nonstop.

[scottie55]

100. Not The Democratic Party Per Se

Certain Democrats bent on destroying the party for their own security.

How has the centrist concept worked out while we lost the last 900 races in state houses and governorships?

Working class people won't come out and vote for the people who are tossing them under the bus for a couple large campaign contribution checks.

They haven't figured this out yet.

So we lose, and lose, and lose some more.

[daleanime]

109. If you don't want to live in a bubble....

why did you just ask someone to go away?

[LisaM]

110. I tried to address that!

Point taken. I don't want to discourage dialogue, but the endless ranting against the Democratic party is wearing. Why come to this forum? OTOH, I have never blocked or ignored anyone and I sent one alert in 15 years for an obvious racist comment in 2008.

[liberal_at_heart]

84. And? I voted straight Democratic ticket for 20 years. After watching my autistic son

suffer under Obama's Race to the Top education policy and Democrats spend trillions on war and yet told me and my children we don't have enough tax revenue to spend on education and Democrats caving to cuts to WIC, food stamps, no COLAs for SS, a million jobs lost due to NAFTA and other trade policies, wage stagnation for average Americans while Democrats give billionaires tax breaks, and many other betrayals to the people of this country I am now an Independent and I can post on this website whether you like it or not.

[LisaM]

88. I'm sorry about your son. I feel for anyone's personal tragedies.

I think you would have been worse off under McCain or Romney, but I always thought Obama was a bit conservative, too. I do think Hillary is more liberal than he - thought so in 2008, too. I have friends with an autistic son and they both love Obama and Hillary, but have had struggles. I do not like Obama's education policies, thankfully, he's pulled back on some of them. I didn't like the fact, when he was running, that Michelle Obama was the only person in their immediate family who'd ever attended public school.

But, Obama has had no help from Congress or the Senate; Bernie Sanders would have it even worse. I think his actual plans are non-existent or uneven. I have barely heard him speak to standardized testing and K-12 education. I am not comfortable with his (admittedly long ago) essay about teachers, and I don't like his wife's stance on professor tenure at her university.

Believe me, I, and a lot of Democrats, care about these issues. But to come here day after day after day and be told this is all the Democrats' fault - policies and narratives all launched under Reagan - is discouraging. I don't like it. I don't think it's the constructive way forward.

The Democratic party has always been known as the Big Tent. I'd like to keep it that way, even when I don't agree with everything everyone in it says.

[redstateblues]

105. I thought Bernie was going to drive turnout up to historic levels

On second thought 5% may be historic low

[Cali_Democrat]

5. Will Bernie supporters be asking Alan Grayson to switch his vote to Hillary? nt

[JonLeibowitz]

7. Not our job to advocate for your candidate.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Any word from Grayson as to whether or not he will switch his vote?

...considering Bernie was blasted in Florida.

[JonLeibowitz]

9. I don't hang out with Grayson. I wouldn't know.

[NorthCarolina]

25. I agree. Hillary supporters should demand it. I

really DO feel that representing the will of the voters in his state is warranted. Start a petition demanding just that and I WILL sign it.

[LisaM]

60. SNAP!

[fun n serious]

6. The support WON'T Hold IMO

With that attitude. It's a big turn off to be threatened. People will react.

[scottie55]

15. Even Bigger Turn Off To Be Primaried

By people that want to represent the 99%, and not the 1% and the powers that be.

But the 1%'ers money is soooooo much the easier road right?

[fun n serious]

10. Less people turn out to vote in Caucases

In an election of officials more people vote.. More people who KNOW the current State officials and like them. Very different. Tjey should not be worried about what happened in a caucus.

[geek tragedy]

11. Lol, that ought to go over well nt

[LuvLoogie]

12. Such drama...

[msongs]

16. yes evidence shows low attendance caucuses lead to massive dumping of elected officials nt

[w4rma]

21. Washington's Caucus Just Shy Of 2008 Turnout Record

http://www.opb.org/news/article/washingtons-caucus-voter-turnout-2008-record/

[metroins]

28. Caucuses have low turnout vs primaries

And elections.

[Bluenorthwest]

77. Washington has a primary and a caucus the Democratic Party wants to use the caucus results.

It was just under 08's record and it is a caucus because the Party wanted it that way.

[dana_b]

17. We need this for California

the least they can do is wait until after we vote

[w4rma]

20. Many supers aren't elected, and - therefore - will never be accountable to the voters. (nt)

[PonyUp]

22. There will be a list of every elected super delegate that voted for her and they will be voted out

if they go against the will of the people.
We will see how many of them choose Hillary over keeping their jobs.

[Gothmog]

23. These attacks on super delegates are amusing

[Vinca]

27. The superdelegate system is so corrupt even the GOP did away with it.

[Gothmog]

33. Super delegates are most concern about the party as a whole

Sanders is poison to down ballot candidates and has refused to raise money for the party. The attempts to flip these super delegates is going to be fun to watch and laugh at

[Vinca]

35. Hmmm . . . seems I've heard people cracking wise about Bernie's "Wall Street" speeches which,

it turned out, were Democratic fundraisers. Considering his favorability ratings, I don't see how he wouldn't be good for down ballot candidates. In any case, if the GOP thinks the superdelegate system isn't fair, that speaks volumes. I'm sure you would agree with me if Hillary and Bernie were reversed in the superdelegate numbers.

[scottie55]

44. When Trump Sleazes Up To The Convention

The Republicans wished to high heaven they had a thousand super delegates.....

Too late Chongo.

[Gothmog]

115. Nancy Pelosi will not force congressional candidate to run on Sanders unrealistic platform

Sanders plan to raise taxes would kill down ballot candidates http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/politics/nancy-pelosi-bernie-sanders-taxes/

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi maintains she isn't taking sides in the Democratic primary for president, but pushed back against Bernie Sanders' pledge that he would raise taxes to pay for his health care plan, saying flatly on Wednesday, "We're not running on any platform of raising taxes."

Speaking at the House Democratic Caucus' annual retreat here, Pelosi sidestepped a question about the growing concerns of fellow Democrats over the impact Sanders could have on 2016 House and Senate races, saying, "I'm very proud of all three of our candidates."
But the top House Democrat didn't mince words when it came to Vermont Senator Sanders' health care proposal, dismissing the notion of a single-payer health care plan, curtly saying, "That's not going to happen."

[Vinca]

118. "Nancy Pelosi will not force . . ."?????????????????

It's nice to know we have such a bunch of independent thinkers on our side. Do they have rings through their noses so they can be easily led around?

[Gothmog]

120. Raising taxes worked great for President Mondale

The Democrats will not adopt a rather dumb platform that will kill down ballot candidate

[Vinca]

121. So how is Hillary funding her 10 billion investment in manufacturing in New York?

Money coming out of the sky on a flaming pie?

[redstateblues]

106. Down ballots would get as far away from Bernie as possible

[Jitter65]

24. Yeah, because what we need are more GOP in Congress. nt

[rjsquirrel]

26. Lol

Now now you'll be ok.

[alcibiades_mystery]

29. If the Sanders voter temper tantrums result in them actually running for local office

That would be a great thing.

You might even actually build a worthwhile movement that way.

[peacebird]

30. Get a list of Super Ds who are voting against their constituents, start an ActBlue account to fund

A primary opponent for them. I say we primary every last one of them, if only to get their effing attention!

Get a list of contact info for them also and publish it widely telling folks to write & call them. Put the pressure on any Super D who votes against their states will.

[JoePhilly]

31. You expect the "movement" to become active in ...

... mid-term and off year elections?

And where you going to get these primary opponents?

This is what the "movement" should have been doing for the last 7 years.

[Human101948]

67. Versus Debbie Wasserman Schultz who supports Republicans in mid terms?

Her leadership led to catastrophic losses for the Democrats during the 2014 midterm elections. She directly assisted in losses by refusing to support three Democrats, Miami-Dade Democratic Party chair Joe Garcia, former Hialeah Mayor Raul Martinez and businesswoman Annette Taddeo, who were challenging Republican Reps. Mario Diaz-Balart, Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, because she is friends with her Republican colleagues.

http://observer.com/2015/09/debbie-wasserman-schultz-must-go/

She should be anathema and because of "Democrats" like you she continues to hold a premier position in the Democratic Party.

[scottie55]

80. Democrats Screwing Democrats

The DWS way.

No wonder most of the country is voting for nut jobs.

[peacebird]

82. Snark duly noted. Yes I do, in fact. And there are a lot of Sanders/Warren type Ds running already.

And considering the movement just started less than a year ago, I think we are doing pretty well so far.

[JoePhilly]

86. Should have gotten busy in 2011, instead of calling for an Obama primary challange.

The "movement" tends to be reactive and fickle.

Skips mid-terms. Wanted Warren. Accepted Bernie. And did little to develop other "acceptably liberal" 2016 candidates.

As you say ... the "movement" only started a year ago ... but it spent 7+ years whining about Obama and doing little else.

And that, is why you fail.

[peacebird]

89. I fully supported and worked for Obama's re election. Stupid assumtion on your part.

So, guess what? Your assumptions are your downfall. You assume that because I support Bernie I am not a democrat. I have spent 41 years working for and voting for Democrats. So Eff YOU if you think I did not support Obama through his second election.

[JoePhilly]

91. I did not say any of the things you claim ...

And Eff me ... owww.

I'm simply pointing out that the angriest of Bernie's supporters on DU now, were also angry at Obama for the last 7+ years.

They needed to get busy a long time ago.

As for you ... I'm going to bet that you are one of Du's Bernie supporters, who is now "very disappointed" with Obama.

Am I wrong?

[peacebird]

92. Actually you DID say those things. Your candidate is proCorporat America, pro War. Anti WeThePeople

I am very disgusted by Hillary, little Debbie, and the DNC

And I will NEVER vote for HRC

[JoePhilly]

113. I did not say those things and ...

... I don't give a shit who you vote for.

[beachbum bob]

32. I wonder if the roles were reverse...would you be advocating the supperdelegate to switch to Hillary

I don't think so.....

[CalvinballPro]

41. Those who fail to learn from 2008 are doomed to repeat it.

Clinton recognized her shortcomings and adjusted, hiring Obama's delegate team to chart her course, and now she's winning.

Sanders has adopted every trailing-campaign plea and tactic that didn't work for Clinton 8 years ago, and now he's losing.

[scottie55]

45. With The Entire Media And Entire Democratic Party Elite Structure Against Him

Bernie is practically tied.

I wouldn't call that losing.

[CalvinballPro]

48. 200+ delegate deficit. That IS losing, no matter what you want to call it. Math > your opinion

#FeelTheMATH

[scottie55]

79. And If The Primaries Started In Washington, Oregon, California, Alaska, and Hawaii

Who would be losing?

It isn't even the 4th quarter yet.

We know the referees are paid off, but there is still time on the clock......

[synergie]

36. There is a troubling amount of rage and violence in these threats that are being made,

especially considering what these Superdelegates are going through from the doxing and the campaign endorsed harassment, abuse and threats from the devoted and very very angry Bernie followers, who are seemingly intent on raining hell upon their victims for not doing their bidding.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-superdelegates-idUSMTZSAPEC2TAP0RGD

Proportional allocation of delegates is already in the pledged delegates, abusing SDs won't help your cause, and if you have issues with that process ask Tad Devine why he helped create this system.

[CalvinballPro]

40. The candidate claiming that he best represents "Democratic values" sure seems to be attracting

a lot of people who represent the exact opposite.

[scottie55]

46. Maybe Some Folks Are Getting Tired Of Being Ripped Off By A Rigged System

Whoda thunkit.

[scottie55]

81. Telling Establishment Loving Democrats The People May Primary Them

Because they don't like being ignored is not violence.

[nadinbrzezinski]

90. Humor me, how is voters saying they are going to primary officials violence?

I will be over here, processing photos and all that.

[ibegurpard]

114. threatening to primary unresponsive politicians

Is violence and abuse?
What a disgustingly entitled sentiment.

[KingFlorez]

38. Sounds like you want to do more than primary them

"You will be sorry" threats are not cool, because they sound incredibly creepy.

[brooklynite]

51. ...and generally, incredibly weak and meaningless.

The Revolution (tm) could be lining up dozens of House and Senate candidates today, to be there when Sanders gets elected. Apparently they're going to wait for two years.

[CalvinballPro]

39. Yeah, threats and harassment will certainly put Sanders over the top. That's the ticket! nt

[scottie55]

49. Ignoring The Base Helped Us Retake The Senate In 2014.... Oh Wait....

Do we even want a party?

Maybe we should just have an auction instead of elections.

[CalvinballPro]

53. You. Are. Not. The. Base. Base voters don't abandon their party. They are the loyal voters who...

...stick with a party through thick and thin. Base voters don't vote for alternate party candidates, ever.

Base voters are the opposite of the Sanders coalition, which is made up of people who can't decide whether or not they can get along with other voters for more than one election cycle.

Stop fooling yourselves, you're no one's base. Bernie's maybe, but not Democrats. All your purity votes and protest votes have robbed you of any influence you have over the Democratic Party. If the party has moved rightwards, it's because they learned that leftist voters are an unreliable constituency, and the Democratic Party wants to win elections, not litmus test contests.

Go found your own party and run it however you want. Then it can be as perfect as you can make it.

[Bobbie Jo]

71. Wish I could rec a post.

You nailed it here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

94. I suggest you seek out the term

BASE REVOLT

By the way, they teach about these things in basic political science courses.

[CalvinballPro]

95. It's not surprising that everything you know comes from Politics 101. You need...

...to take some higher-level courses next. And don't sleep through them like you clearly did 101.

[nadinbrzezinski]

96. You mean like a masters in history?

But they teach about base revolts in poli sci 101

I am not surprised that some folks chose to insult when things like this are pointed out though

[Tarc]

42. Are rage & violence the only two tones that some Sanders supporters can muster these days?

The candidate of peace sure has some contrarian followers...

[scottie55]

47. No One Is Threatening Violence - No One

Our party has thumbed it's nose at it's base for years, and continues to do so.

Here is just another prime example.

Sorry, is a real big word, and works in a lot of ways.

Ask DWS why we lose, and lose, and lose, and lose, and continue to lose to a pack of obviously crazy people.

Getting people to vote for corrupt folks worried more about their Super Pacs than the voters isn't working for the Democrats any more. Anyone notice?

[Tarc]

72. The rhetoric of the OP is quite violent

It reads like a Tea Party manifesto.

[scottie55]

74. The OP Is Not From A Violent Person

Ignoring the base has it's risks.

[redstateblues]

107. Negativity and anger fuel Bernies campaign

[Onlooker]

50. Isn't that a risky argument?

First of all Sanders won about 5% (to HIllary's 2%) of the registered voters in Washington State. That's not exactly a mandate, though he did a good job at getting people out to the caucuses.

At any rate, using your argument, if Hillary continues to lead in pledged delegates and the number of states won at the end of the primary season, then I think you will have to change your point of view or accept that Bernie was defeated.

[redstateblues]

104. 5% Not exactly a mandate?

Understatement of the year

[upaloopa]

55. Way to not win and influence people

[scottie55]

56. And Whistling Past The Graveyard

Works so well....

The super delegates obviously want to keep our gravy train, pay to play government going just the way it is.

Of course they oppose DEMOCRACY>

[upaloopa]

61. The people voting for Bernie do not represent the people not even 4% I see

[scottie55]

68. We Watch Republicans Take Over Everything

And pretend ignoring our progressive base, and throwing them under the bus is a real good strategy for Democrats?

The super delegates have jobs.

It's the rest of us that are expected to work harder for less that has a problem.

They obviously don't understand.

Not like they didn't give Boeing 9 Billion in ransom.

[BeyondGeography]

57. Gloating sadists FTW!

[Betty Karlson]

62. Please primary them all away!

[lumberjack_jeff]

66. Sacrificing pawns (congressmen and senators) to protect the queen is considered good strategy.

Hillary doesn't have coattails but she will walk over the casualties.

Many of the superdelegates are going to get primaried, and we'll find out that Washington isn't as blue as we like to think it is. Clinton is going to lose us seats in both the congress and the senate.

[scottie55]

70. Some Democrats Are Tired Of Losing

And losing, and losing.

Helping Wall Street and the MIC continue to rob our families is not a good strategy to win elections.

You heard it here first.

We are not all stupid.

[asuhornets]

69. If in the end Bernie gets the most pledged delegates and popular vote.

then he will get the super delegates. But to think just because he won Washington-he should automatically get the super delegates.

He knew the rules...I thought he and his supporters hated super delegates, anyway.

[scottie55]

73. Just Another Way To Screw Him

Some of us are complaining about being screwed and actually opposing the 1% preferred candidate from the beginning.

The super delegates are just another way to say Sanders doesn't have a chance and Wall Street always wins.

Maybe not this time.

Too many people are tired of Wall Street's enablers making the laws they use to crush us with.

[asuhornets]

98. All 1%ers

are not horrible people. geeezz you can't get mad with someone because they are wealthy.

[scottie55]

102. I Agree Completely

In fact I want to be wealthy someday too.

By the way, that's the problem.

How you gonna get wealthy when the deck is stacked against you.....

[taught_me_patience]

76. You mad bro?

Pouting and whining not a good way to convince people of your position.

[scottie55]

78. Mad = No

Tired of being ripped off every time I turn around = yes.

Not the same thing.

Some people don't think a completely corrupt government that only listens to campaign contributors is cool.

I might be one of them.

Do you think your government should care about you, or only the 1%?

Answer please.

[JI7]

87. lol nothing is going to happen. just like with dws. people will post on the internet

But there went be any real effort to help another candidate and do the groundwork needed to help win.

[GusBob]

93. A primary threat from BS supporters makes me laugh

not gonna happen

[NuclearDem]

97. One day, the Secret Service is going to be paying certain Sanders supporters a visit.

[scottie55]

99. How Dare You Threaten To Primary An Establishment Candidate

That ignores the will of the people.

Intolerable!

[JI7]

101. already happened at least once

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/270122-clinton-obituary-notice-prompts-secret-service-report

[lumberjack_jeff]

103. "Sir? Did you write this post threatening to vote against your congressman?"

Did you know that dear leader is sooo sick of this?

[scottie55]

111. No, Actually Primary A Congressman

Not really the same thing.

My congressman is a friend of mine, and I would vote for him always.

It's just the fact that the "liberal base" has been ignored since the 80's, and because of this, most states are ran by Republicans if you haven't noticed.

Most people know they come 2nd after the big bucks.

Do you expect their vote or support?

[LonePirate]

108. I do enjoy a good superdelegate rant thread.

They are almost always filled with people who claim to vote their principles and who constantly remind everyone that their vote belongs to them and no one else. Yet somehow, superdelegates are not allowed to vote their principles nor are they allowed to control their own vote - they must vote the way someone else tells them to vote. I usually don't see this much hypocrisy in people who are not Republicans.

It certainly makes for some reading.

[scottie55]

112. There Are 15,000 People In Washington State That Qualify For Psychiatric Care I Read

But there is no money to spend helping them.

Yet there is enough money to give Boeing a 9 Billion Dollar Tax Break.

This is getting old.

Boeing extortion is also getting old.

Build your planes in China, or 3rd World USA, and pay a 1 million dollar fee to fly them into, and over Washington State.

Screw your race to the bottom, tax free status Boeing.

[ismnotwasm]

116. Jim McDermott?

Really. Really? I don't think so. Jesus.

[Adrahil]

117. Cool rant bro! NT

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

119. I've already informed Patty and Maria that their votes at the convention

will influence my votes for them when they run.