Outsourcing Clinton Allies Accused of Abusing L-1, H1-B Work Visa System

[Baobab]

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Outsourcing Clinton Allies Accused of Abusing L-1 Visa System: DOL investigates two foundation donors for replacing Americans with cheap foreign labor

http://freebeacon.com/politics/outsourcing-clinton-allies-accused-of-abusing-visa-system/


See also

http://www.epi.org/publication/congressional-testimony-the-impact-of-high-skilled-immigration-on-u-s-workers-4/ and the groundbreaking investigative stories, “Techsploitation,” by the Center for Investigative Reporting (CIR) that chronicles many of these abuses.

[beam me up scottie]

1. Please delete, the Free Beacon is a right wing source.

Nothing coming from them is credible.

[revbones]

2. So we should ignore it and not discuss?

Is there something specific in it that is not true?

[beam me up scottie]

4. I doubt there's anything to this, it's from last year.

If this was a thing the other outlets would have picked it up.

If it's real the op should find a credible source.

[Baobab]

11. The Economic Policy Institute (www.epi.org) has been following this issue

and its a serious one, also a recently filed WTO dispute case could result in the L-1 visas increasing a great deal, possibly- so its really important.

Imagine if suddenly the flood gates opened to as may of the low wage subcontractors as the market would bear. That's a worst case scenario but I do think it possibly could happen.

[Baobab]

13. as many as 30 or 40 million currently good paying jobs could eventually be globalized if the WTO

rules that quotas deprive countries of the benefits of GATS

[beam me up scottie]

14. I understand that you're passionate about this subject.

But if you can you should try to find a credible source, juries will often vote to hide posts that cite FB, I always do. By using a right wing source you risk a hide and then no one will read your post. And you bring a lot to the table.

A belated welcome to DU.

[Baobab]

16. what right wing source? WTO?

EPI.org is certainly not a right wing source. EPI = Economic Policy institute. i was talking about a trade deal we signed 20 years ago. Its not secret, its public. the request for consultations was made around 3 weeks ago by India.

I doubt if quotas would disappear overnight - but if WTO rules that they are denying other members the benefits due them under the Agreement, then they are not long for this world.

You should read up more on "Mode Four"

[beam me up scottie]

17. I already explained that Free Beacon is a right wing source.

The article from FB doesn't list specifics and is from last year, if the claims are true the info should be available from other sources.

I'm not going to argue about this, I thought I would give you a heads up since you seen interested in dialogue.

Peace.

[Baobab]

18. Some interesting info- This is a big big big thing, global in scope. Going back 22 years

Basically, this huge organization was set up in Geneva, called the WTO in 1994.

They also signed a huge global deal on services. Services are divided up into four, perhaps soon to become five "Modes of Supply". Basically services are 70% of all jobs. "Everything you cannot drop on your foot". Countries get to sell services to one another, just like goods. Countries have to adjust their laws ("disciplines on domestic regulation&quot to make this not just possible, easy, natural. They cannot discriminate in awarding contracts and subcontracts based on country.

Its not such a big thing in many smaller countries because its been this way forever anyway to varying extents, but here its likely to be a dramatic change.

[Baobab]

25. Here are the Indian government's arguments for Mode Four

http://commerce.nic.in/wto_sub/Invest/sub_invest-W39.htm

[peacebird]

28. From first hand experience I can say that my paycheck was decimated because of H1b visa workers

I had almost 30 years experience, working my way up to management. H1b workers are willing to work for a fraction of what senior American workers make. Which means that American workers get offered lower and lower wages. Our paychecks keep dropping, corp profits keep rising. The only candidate who will be FOR us is Bernie.

[beam me up scottie]

29. Oh it's definitely a conversation worth having.

And the op has a lot of information.

[DanTex]

3. Free Beacon. LOL.

[amborin]

5. hRC certainly wants to raise the cap on H 1-B Visas:

Hillary Clinton’s Stance on Increasing the H-1B Cap Clinton increase h1b cap

Hillary Clinton, one of the leading Democratic presidential candidates, supports increasing the cap on H-1B Visas. She argues that foreign skilled workers contribute a great deal to the American economy, and increasing the cap will help push technological development forward in the United States.

https://www.prideimmigration.com/hillary-clintons-position-on-increasing-the-h-1b-visa-cap/

[MineralMan]

6. Your source is a right-wing website.

The story is old, too. Not every anti-Clinton thing you can find on the Internet deserves to be posted here. Please exercise some common sense in selecting what to post here. Thanks.

[Wilms]

7. It's a serious story, and a new poster who has been linking really good stuff.

Don't you have manners? Welcome them, for a start.

And put up a "left-wing" source, if the "source" is the big deal. Is there anything the "source" got wrong, MM? Would THAT not be the metric to concern oneself over? Or are you just playing hall nanny?

Please exercise some common sense in selecting what to post here. Thanks.

[Baobab]

12. I would like to point out there is an important "left wing" side to this and thats

that we should not demonize the IT workers who come here out of desperation to feed their families.

The subcontracting companies sometimes treat them very badly. If they quit their jobs then the contracting companies often sue them for insane amounts of money. So they have to work for low wages, they are in a different country and likely struggling, and they cannot quit.

EPI.org has been covering this issue and EPI is one of the most credible sources of economic data in Washington.

We should not let our country be misled into thinking there is an IT worker shortage, the fact is that we have enough IT workers, they are pushing these things because the workers they get this way are captive workers - basically- and really cheap.


BTW, they are trying to do this in health care and teaching too.

[Wilms]

20. I agree.

I had a BRILLIANT colleague from India. Pleasant fellow, too. Problem was, he wasn't qualified in our area. Still, I blame his employer for that. And indeed, I knew qualified out of work engineers that could have handled it. Very sad.

[Baobab]

22. The problem is, they promised them an El Dorado in the WTO

See sites like tradeinservices.net

[Baobab]

19. here is a "left wing source" basically, this is a much more information rich story

http://www.epi.org/blog/no-evidence-of-labor-shortages-h2b/

people should also realize that the biggest potential mess is caused by L-1 "non-immigration" visas and their ilk- trade related viasas, which coud jump up tremendously and impact the entire country.

When hillary talks about rebuilding infrastructure, and creating jobs IN America, don't think shes talking about creating jobs FOR Americans- US jobs means nothing, Simply creating jobs with government money soon will be just as likely to go to foreign firms as American firms. That is now actually required by WTO.

Whoever is the lowest qualified bidder will get it.

[Baobab]

23. We need to build solidarity between all of the players in this process.

"progressive liberalisation" is designed to divide all these groups by pitting us all against one another. And lock bad policy in place, irreversibly.

But that's really wrong.

[LongTomH]

8. I always thought of Hillary Clinton as "The Senator from India"

Refer back to this 2005 article from Asia Times Online: Hillary Clinton Woos India:

Hillary clears outsourcing air

Hillary Clinton made it apparent where she stood on outsourcing during her India visit, in an attempt perhaps to clear the Indian misgivings received during the Kerry campaign. "There is no way to legislate against reality. Outsourcing will continue," she told an audience of Indian big-wigs.......

Hillary has been at the forefront in defending free trade and outsourcing. During the height of the anti-outsourcing backlash in the US last year, she faced considerable flak for defending Indian software giant Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) for opening a center in Buffalo, New York. "We are not against all outsourcing; we are not in favor of putting up fences,"

More articles:

Hillary Clinton Said Outsourcing Benefited America After She Criticized Bush Officials for Saying the Same Thing

Clinton Praised Outsourcing to Indian Audience in 2012

Hillary Clinton's Remarks on Outsourcing to India Return to Haunt Her

[Baobab]

15. EPI.org has a lot of solid research on guest worker visas, H1 and 2-Bs are being abused when

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their use is simply to save employers lots of money.

Example:

Economic Policy institute: No evidence of labor shortages but Congress considering giving H-2B employers access to more exploitable and underpaid guestworkers


See also: http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/01/28/464453958/guest-workers-legal-yet-not-quite-free-pick-floridas-oranges?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

and http://s4.epi.org/files/2011/BriefingPaper317.pdf

On the other hand, L-1 quotas could be ruled against WTO dogma and just like with Glass-Steagall then the ever so neoliberal Clinton Administration would quickly bless the disastrous and ill advised change.

[cosmicone]

9. Freebeacon???? LMAO

How desperate

[JoePhilly]

10. The RW water won't just carry itself!!

[RiverLover]

21. In her words, giving Indians jobs instead of Americans is a good thing.

You just can't say that when running for president.

[Baobab]

24. Competitive Advantage

Countries have a right to use it, since increasing trade in services and lowering wages is good.

Thats what the WTO's oft stated ideology says.

[RiverLover]

27. Lowering wages is NOT good. Lords paid serfs low wages too. We ended that practice for a reason.

At some point, community & people need to count more that insane profits for already insanely wealthy people.

And Americans should be the priority for American companies.

...And btw, they should pay their fucking taxes too.

[Baobab]

30. To WTO lowering wages in developed countries is good because its MORE "EFFICIENT"

thats what Hillary wants- The WTO will be in charge as soon as a market sector becomes international trade.


See the economic analysis around Page 278-279 here.

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTRANETTRADE/Resources/C13.pdf

Please understand that your wages have to be sacrificed so that already high profits rise.

[RiverLover]

37. Well, that will help the workers in IN, who lost their jobs to Mexicans earning 10%. TEN PERCENT

of what was paid to them, Americans, for the same job.

They want to turn us all into SERFS eventually.

Waiting for trickle down. The Clintons may speak ag trickle down, but its just part of their con. Their actions belie the words.

Last month, the air conditioner manufacturer Carrier told 1,400 workers in Indianapolis that their middle-class jobs were being offshored to Mexico. Carrier would slash its labor costs since its new workers would earn only about 10 percent of what the United Steelworkers earned in Indiana.

This is the real face of free trade deals. Workers that could afford to own their own homes and send their kids to college have had their economic security sacrificed on the altar of free trade.

Since the 1990s, the big business wings of the Democratic and Republican parties have united to push corporate trade deals that cost millions of jobs and contribute to America’s growing economic inequality. There was agreement among the Washington elites that these trade agreements — written by and for the worlds biggest corporations — were good for everyone. But really they were only good for everyone they met at the best cocktail parties.

......

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/03/31/changing-politics-free-trade-politicians-are-finally-listening

The Clinton are Super-Politicians.

No conscience, no empathy, we can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel.

[Baobab]

31. Obligations are still tied to the land.

revolutions, changes, country dissolutions wont discharge it


Eastern Sugar B.V. (Netherlands) v. The Czech Republic, SCC Case No. 088/2004

http://www.italaw.com/cases/368




Also, all the Presidential elections in the world CANNOT CURRENTLY GIVE A COUNTRY SINGLE PAYER IF A TRADE DEAL HAS BEEN SIGNED ENSLAVING THEM TO INSURANCE COMPANIES

We have the "Clintons" of the world to thank for these "investor protection" deals and "ISDS" and "indirect expropriation" and the lock in of our nation's past and current and future health care policy.





http://www.italaw.com/cases/417

http://www.italaw.com/cases/2564


http://www.italaw.com/cases/documents/1627

[Hoyt]

26. More proof that donations to Clinton aren't a free ticket to breaking the law.

[Baobab]

32. THESE TWO EVENTS ARE NOT CONNECTED!

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/06/insurer_achmea_paid_bill_clint/

[Hoyt]

33. So what did they get for the fee?

[Baobab]

34. 45 minutes of speechmaking

they actually "lost" the case...

Read their announcements.

[Hoyt]

35. In other words, Clinton didn't pull any strings for them.

[Baobab]

36. They are above all that.

Above all of us.

Are you Slovak?

Want healthcare?

https://www.tni.org/en/briefing/intra-eu-bilateral-investment-treaties