I'm getting sick and tired

[timmymoff]

of the Clinton campaign refusing to release the Wall St. transcripts. I may be forced to vote for her and without knowing what she said to them it will make me a less informed voter. Bernie already released the transcripts from his wall st. speeches, can she stand up to that level of integrity? So far I am not seeing it.

[FreakinDJ]

1. Why is it even tolerated

[Punkingal]

8. It is tolerated because we don't have a free press anymore.

[DanTex]

2. I'm sure Hillary will take your grief over the issue into consideration.

[timmymoff]

6. it's not just mine

but a large percentage of the liberal voting blocks that have doubts, to large of a group to be ignored. Or she can ignore them, at her peril.

[DanTex]

10. Evidently not that large. Check the delegate totals.

[timmymoff]

11. Well it's obvious

she can win without us then. You corporatist's sure say some of the silliest things.

[DanTex]

12. Don't know who you mean by "us". The Bernie or Busters?

[timmymoff]

14. the progressive wing of the democratic party

along with Bernie supporters. Not the corporatist wing, the group you follow.

[DanTex]

15. That includes me, and I have no interest in the transcripts.

[timmymoff]

19. As a hillary supporter

accept your role in the corporatist fracking, keystone, TPP wing. The group you support has done enough damage to the democratic party.

[DanTex]

21. I'm part of the progressive wing, and I care very little about what BoBs who are working to make

Trump president think about that.

[timmymoff]

24. Hillary's new campaign slogan

Vote for me, at least I'm not Trump. Hard to tell though the way she pointed her finger and threw a tantrum to the Greenpeace supporter who asked a question. Very similar reactions between Trump and Hillary when questioned. How dareth they question my 1% nobility.

[DanTex]

27. I'm sure you can't tell the difference between her and Trump. Privilege will do that.

[timmymoff]

32. I'd say privilidge

is what allows someone to overlook fracking, wall st. coziness, lack of fight regarding minimum wage and healthcare, regime change, keystone, TPP, NAFTA, bankruptcy vote, her debacles as SOS both servers and strategies. Yup it would take a large amount of privilege to overlook those obvious conservative stances.

[DanTex]

33. Privilege is someone who doesn't mind a Trump presidency.

[timmymoff]

34. So you confirm

At least I'm not Trump is the best slogan for her. Thank you.

[DanTex]

35. She'll be a great president.

[timmymoff]

36. Possibly one of the greatest conservatives ever

[DanTex]

37. Nope, that's your guy.

[timmymoff]

38. We can put Hillary in the

Zell miller, Max Baucus, Byron Dorgan, Joe Lieberman, Bob Kerrey wing of the right wing dems .

[DanTex]

39. You can say whatever nonsense you want while we put her in the White House.

[timmymoff]

40. She's one more meltdown away from losing like she did in 2008

[Dragonfli]

46. Part of the PPI "progressive" wing - of course you are, I have never doubted it.

(note to the uninformed the PPI which still exists was the policy arm of the DLC and took Koch money as well as did the DLC.)

Their aim is/was to create a "new" Democratic party that embraces Reagan like fiscal values combined with some social policies they believe will help them keep the woman and minority vote that eludes the other right wing party.

Lots of research has been done on DU regarding this group of hybrid Right wingers, some informative links below:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511592049
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251743613
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2973191
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12774832

Re-branding the right wing infiltration of our party as "progressive" was a stroke of advertising genius, I admit that.

I was tired of having the DLC labeled as conservative. I decided to call our think tank the Progressive Policy Institute because I thought it would be harder for reporters to label it as the “conservative Progressive Policy Institute.”
Al From 1989

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027191121

[alcibiades_mystery]

26. Maybe Hillary voters should take a pledge not to vote for Bernie in the general?

Let's see if you can win without us, homie.

[timmymoff]

42. That would be the first time since 2008 that hillary supporter did that.

PUMA's . Enjoy.

[alcibiades_mystery]

43. I voted for Obama in primary and general

He wasn't a dishonest demagogue like Bernie Sanders.

Besides, nobody believes that the Sandersites won't vote for the nominee, apart from the slim margin of absolute babies throwing a temper tantrum, and they are definitely not needed to win. Just like the idiot PUMAs weren't.

[timmymoff]

50. sanders is dishonest lol

[alcibiades_mystery]

53. Sanders is a demagogue

No doubt he believes some of his own bullshit, but there's also no doubt that some of it is just despicable cynicism. You can fool some of the people all of the time.

[timmymoff]

54. Yes

the Clinton's have been doing it for three decades now.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

51. Ahh yes, another threat. Do what I say or I will make sure the GOP wins.

I dont know whether to get mad or just sigh.

[mooseprime]

3. IOKIYAC n/t

[PonyUp]

4. I'm not forced to vote for her, and I won't. It goes way beyond any transcripts. n/t

[Avalux]

5. She won't release them because:

She suffers less damage by NOT releasing them. She assumes Dems will hold their nose and vote for her anyway if she's the nominee.

I'm not willing to play that game.

[Jefferson23]

7. She went, they paid, she took it. What else do you need to know?

It is a wink wink kind of thing, in some respects.

[timmymoff]

9. What did she say?

What backroom deals and agreements did she lead them to believe she could provide? Did she offer them some shady stuff? I guess she can leave the speculation as is, but most of my life I always thought lobbyists and corporations were not someone you wanted to be beholden. If she is comfortable with losing votes of those who wonder I guess that is on her.

[Jefferson23]

13. She's not likely to have said anything they don't know. Do you really think she would allow

herself to be set up to be blackmailed?

The "speeches" are carefully thought out and the amount of money she received
is obscene..there is a reason for that.

[timmymoff]

16. she's not that bright when it comes to campaigning

[Jefferson23]

23. Hillary is a lot of things I do not like, but she is not stupid. This "donation for speeches"

shit has been going on for a long time and the tell tale signs for one, is how
imperfect the Frank-Dodd legislation is. If there is anything concrete in those
transcripts I would be shocked..I do believe they would amount to nothing
much, her fear being upon their release? NO ONE is going to pay her that kind
of money for nothing..unless they're possibly going to be the next president of the
United States. She might be able to keep some of the top dogs out of jail, so this
is not just about regulations.

They get a return on their investment, one way or another.

[timmymoff]

28. Didn't call her stupid

said she isn't bright when it comes to campaigning. If she were sanders would've been gone by now, like predicted many times before the continual moving of the goalposts. which are about the same amount of times as she evolved with a new portion of the Sander's platform.

[Jefferson23]

30. Ok, fair enough. She has a credibility problem, and there are good reasons for that too. n/t

[upaloopa]

18. So you don't need transcripts

You know everything already

[Jefferson23]

25. I don't need transcripts to identify corruption.

Have you demanded she release them..since you're not certain?

[upaloopa]

44. Nobody cares but Bernie people

[Jefferson23]

49. uh huh. n/t

[PonyUp]

20. They offered it, so she took it.

[Jefferson23]

29. She wasn't forced to take the money, she wasn't forced to go there at all. n/t

[upaloopa]

17. Maybe Hillary will print them in a book so you can buy it and contribute to her campaign

[pinebox]

45. The kind of book where she called the TPP the gold standard 40 times?

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[cosmicone]

22. Meh.... non-issue manufactured by Sanders n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

31. What we DO know is they paid for her to say exactly what it was they wanted to hear.

Otherwise she'd have been a one and done type of speaker. As soon as she said something antithetical to what the audience wanted to hear, once the word would have gotten out she wasn't friendly to whatever group she was speaking to, she would never have been invited to speak to so many others.

What does that say to me?

That Former First Lady and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will say whatever the people waving their dollars in her face want and need her to say.

[BernieforPres2016]

41. How could you be forced to vote for her?

Whatever is in those transcripts would be yet another embarrassment to be dismissed and swept away. We already have a long history that Hillary and Bill are for sale to the highest bidders, whether foreign governments who are human rights violators, Wall Street, big oil, big pharma, the military-industrial complex, or convicted felons like Marc Rich.

I don't need more information on Hillary Clinton to know that I will never vote for her.

[Jester Messiah]

47. You're not forced to vote for anyone.

And if there's no one on the ballot who represents you, then you shouldn't vote for any of them, lest they be reinforced in the idea that they can get away with not representing you.

[ViseGrip]

48. no one is forcing you to vote for her....

[azmom]

52. I thought she believed in transparency.

No transcripts, no vote.