Is Our System of "Democracy" Worth Asking Our Soldiers To Die For?

[votesparks]

As a veteran, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

[Rebkeh]

1. That's a great question

I don't know.

[votesparks]

3. I can't imagine laying down my life

so I could keep the voting system in Arizona afloat.

[NWCorona]

6. This is bigger that Arizona

[daleanime]

28. But it is.....

a good example.

[NWCorona]

29. Absolutely

I remember when this came out and it seems relevant today.

We definitely have our issues to deal with.

[CajunBlazer]

14. First of all I sincerly doubt if ever were or ever will be a member of the military

So no one will be asking you to lay down your life for anything.

Secondly, the Democratic nomination in Arizona is not a federal government election, it is a private election run by the Democratic party and is run as the Party sees fit. If your candidate doesn't like it he can quit the Party. ..... Oh, that's right he never joined.

And last but not least, you're only complaining about primary because your guy lost. Had he won by a good margin you would be praising the process, warts and all.

Please find something else to complain about; I'm sure you will have no problem at all with that task.

[votesparks]

15. Actually

I served in the Ohio Army National Guard, 372nd Combat Engineer Battalion from 1987-95, Honorably Discharged.

But then again, you are a troll.

[CajunBlazer]

16. I never regarded the Guard as part of the military..

But guard positions were quite useful in avoiding military service before the draft was eliminated.

[votesparks]

20. Psst - It's not the 1960s anymore

Guard units do multiple tours of duty. I lucked out that the Persian Gulf War ended quickly. Bags were packed. Your insinuations are disgusting and belittling to you.

You never regarded the Guard as part of the military because you didn't do things like learn stuff, or read things.

[Press Virginia]

23. Uh the Guard IS Military service. National Guard and Air Guard units

were deployed to Vietnam

[NWCorona]

31. Almost half of the fighting force in Iraq and Afghanistan happens to be NG

[DashOneBravo]

35. With the exception of CCT & PJs

One could say the same thing about the Air Force. 😃 It's just a large support unit.


Edited: I don't really feel that way but I dislike your comment about the Guard troops.

[Scuba]

37. You should be ashamed of this post. Recommend you self-delete before someone less tolerant ...

... concludes that you're just being an asshole.

[votesparks]

18. You also forgot that part about

Where the two big parties block access to third parties through restrictive ballot access, so the whole "you can quit the party" bit is talking out of both sides of your mouth. Unless it the process is fair and equal to all others, people have the duty to insert themselves into undemocratic systems in order to do everything they can to stop the wheels of the machine from continuing to oppress.

Your doubt about my past doesn't bother me either. It just shows you are a small human who shoots off their piehole without knowing anything first.

[RANGERMAN89]

24. We don't fight and die for people like Hillary..

We do it so that people who really want to serve the people can rise.

Bernie Sanders 2016

The one who didn't send me to war based on a lie.

[geek tragedy]

2. If necessary, yes, but it hasn't been necessary for decades nt

[votesparks]

5. Which is why we need someone who knows the difference between necessary and unnecessary

Because the neocon neoliberal warpigs surely don't.

[Mnpaul]

36. The failed "regime change" policy has to be abandoned immediately

has it ever worked?

[NWCorona]

4. As a vet I'd say yes

[votesparks]

9. I want to say yes

But another part of me says, hell no I wouldn't ask someone to die for a system that blatantly practices voter suppression, and all kinds of other ridiculous, inconsistent, and questionable practices.

Die for your fellow citizen and your friends, family and neighbors if under attack, yes. But die to protect Diebold machines, etc...I couldn't make the ask.

One person, one vote, open to all with fair and equal ballot access for all parties and independent candidates, then no problem. That's worth defending.

[NWCorona]

11. I can totally understand that

America isn't perfect and probably never will be but it's all we got.

That doesn't mean we should rest on our laurels. This is why I'm fighting for Bernie.

[Melurkyoulongtime]

7. In its current form

I'm going to have to say no. Unfortunately our system is currently broken and I think we should be trying to fix it so it's fair for all... I guess what I'm trying to say is we need you men and women here and alive and working toward the common good instead of dying for more empire.

[msongs]

8. ask bernie, he's a YUGE supporter of the MIC. votes for it every year nt

[NWCorona]

12. Bernie is a big believer in a strong military. He's never said otherwise

It's the judgement that's at issue.

[geek tragedy]

13. And they're contributing more to him than

any Republican.

[RANGERMAN89]

25. How about i ask Hillary why my friend died in iraq

And how G.W Bush tricked her.

[JonLeibowitz]

10. Is the current system of democracy worth asking our soldiers to die for? No.

Is the aspirational goal of a representative government with protected liberties worth dying for? yes.

The difference between those is an individual choice of whether you value what our country could be over one's life.

The gulf is quite wide.

[PowerToThePeople]

17. Will we get better or worse?

The current is not worth the sacrifice and the future does not bode well. We do not have much remaining opportunity to save any chance for improvement in our lifetimes.

[JonLeibowitz]

19. In the meantime, the people who serve in our military and die in our wars are the poor.

[PowerToThePeople]

21. They go to the casino and place their lives on the line

If 7 or 11 they can have a better life, 2 3 or 12 they die.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. No. Nor, is it worth killing for.

Patriots always talk of dying for their country but never of killing for their country. Bertrand Russell

[slipslidingaway]

26. No, my father, WW2 marine would be outraged ...

even during Vietnam he offered to help my cousins avoid the draft.

"War is a racket."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket

"Based on his career military experience, Butler frankly discusses how business interests commercially benefit (including war profiteering) from warfare."


Remember the tech bubble of the late 90's and the subsequent stock market fall? Market was falling until the day of the vote in October 2002, we had 9/11 in between, but the market had topped in early 2000. Until the vote for war.

Who profited, not the people who were placed on the front lines

[ZombieHorde]

27. I wouldn't die for it, and I wouldn't ask others to die for it either. nt

[BainsBane]

30. They don't die for democracy

They die for empire.

[LarryNM]

33. Not for the Wars of Corporatist Conquest in the Name of Demockracy

Which is Most of Them. Let the CEOs and their own go and
die and be mangled, its Their wars and mostly Their World.

[Fumesucker]

34. That hasn't happened since VJ day which was seventy years ago give or take

[Scuba]

38. I'd like to think so, but recent events make me wonder.

[raouldukelives]

39. Certainly. The trouble is the people spending against democracy.

Spending against the democracy soldiers have taken lives and laid down their own for.

With every dollar in the hands of a lobbyist the sacrifice becomes lessened.