Bernie has also received oil money, he is also a millionaire with 2 homes and Wall Street portfolios

[JaneyVee]

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He also moved to a different state to run for office. He voted for more wars than Hillary. Voted to deregulate Wall Street, Hillary did not. Voted against immigration, Hillary did not. Voted to protect the gun industry, Hillary did not. Voted against rescuing the economy, Hillary did not. Voted against the final bill to rescue the auto industry, Hillary did not. And wrote questionable essays that would have disqualified any other candidate on both sides of the aisle. Hillary did not.

The teeth gnashing, excuses, and denial will be yuge in this thread.

[hobbit709]

1. Just because you repeat the lies and innuendos constantly doesn't make them true.

[JaneyVee]

2. Which part?

[leveymg]

128. His 2014 income was about $240K, least of any US Senator. How does that make him a millionare?

He has four mortgages on those homes, and his wife's IRA has a total of about $400,000. All that's on his 1040 disclosure given to the FEC.

[CorporatistNation]

131. BERNIE IS PROBABLY ABOUT THE LEAST AFFLUENT CANDIDATE TO EVER BE A CONTENDER FOR POTUS!

TOTAL BS!

Here We Go...

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[Gwhittey]

4. It is not about it being true or not

It is about they trying to sucker in low information voters to buy into the lie. We shall see if it works.

Edit: And as I was typing the OP worked on at least one person.

[JaneyVee]

8. Which part?

[Baobab]

44. Let me guess, one home in Vermont and one in DC?

So he and Jane can stay connected to their families and lives and don't have to rent.

Nice try, but you haven't succeeded in making me see him any differently.

[SusanCalvin]

52. Yeah, and I bet the "Wall Street portfolio" is in his retirement account.

Well, so is mine. If you could still get decent rates on savings accounts and CDs it wouldn't be, but what are you gonna do in this upside-down world?

[BlueStreak]

62. And there are about 20 million millionaires in the US

A person of Sanders age who has has a middle class salary, saved regularly, and put the money into conservative investments is very likely to be a millionaire. Being disciplined is not a bad thing.

[Baobab]

64. Yup

Its not so uncommon at all.

[Travis_0004]

67. I would be more worried if he wasn't a millionaire.

Hes 74 years old, and makes 174k, a year. One would assume he could save a bit every year towards retirement.

[RedCappedBandit]

86. Indeed people here criticized him for not saving ENOUGH

Camp weathervane indeed

[Babel_17]

110. Yeah, I sort of remember that

As in, what's wrong with a U.S. Senator who can't manage his finances well enough to have a decent nest egg. Maybe the OP forgot about that argument, or never agreed with it?

[synergie]

80. Yes, we know, that's why the constant Anti-Clinton harangues never seem to do

you any good, but these are simple, verifiable facts. Repeatedly denying them doesn't make them any less true.

[beam me up scottie]

118. After he wins Wisconsin they're going to be even more desperate.

I expect the lies, distortions and anti-Semitic stereotypes will be turned up to 11.

[giftedgirl77]

3. St Bernard can do no wrong.

Which is what makes his supporters such huge hypocrites.

[rachacha]

31. Bernie fan here, St Bernard is actually pretty funny

I suppose I'm a hypocrite to some degree, like everyone else, but I don't think anyone is infallible.

[Baobab]

75. When he smiles, he has a really great smile.

I don't think I've ever seen a smile like that on another politician in recent memory.

Hopefully, we get to see his smile a lot more in the future!

I can live with that!

[Baobab]

78. One year Hillary claims that the Clintons "are broke" the next year, they spend $3M

on Chelsea's wedding. $3M on one day.

[giftedgirl77]

107. No, that's just bullshit.

She claimed there was a time when they were broke. Don't fuckin hate bc they can drop $3m on a wedding, shit if I had it I would. I can legitimatly claim I started at the bottom but looking at my financial status now you wouldn't know it & I'm always looking for new investments. It's all about the come up.

[Baobab]

114. No matter how wealthy I was (ha!) I wouldnt waste that much money on a wedding

even my own.

Its mean spirited to do that when so many people are barely getting by.

Think of the millions of young people who can't afford to marry before you oppose public education and push privatization and then spend $3M on your daughters wedding.

[giftedgirl77]

115. Jesus Christ there was nothing mean spirited about it.

My son got a truck for his 16th birthday & will be getting a new car as a graduation present. I do it bc I can & at the same time can work to improve the lives of those less fortunate. I have always strived to ensure my kid's had a better life than me.

[giftedgirl77]

106. I can't take credit for that.

don't get me wrong it's not all supporters & it's not just BS supporters.

[Kalidurga]

5. So

His policy positions are still a thousand times no make that a kabillion times better than Hillary's. And she is a brazillion times more rich so it goes without saying she is a lot more evil than Bernie too. And she is a jabby finger pointer and Hillary's supporters said that is a really bad thing and I don't like her tone. Especially the one she uses when she talks to big banks, big pharma, and the big prisons industry.

[JaneyVee]

7. Go ahead, get it all out.

[Kalidurga]

10. You should get it all out, hate is a terrible thing.

[JaneyVee]

11. I hate no one. My life is filled with love and joy.

I love you too.

[Kalidurga]

15. Can't tell from your posts.

I haven't seen a single positive one. And no you don't love me those are just words when you actively undermine the idea that everyone deserves to be treated with respect and dignity. When you post crap like this it's not respectful it's not loving and it's something else as well. You post this as if Hillary isn't at least 10x as wealthy. You post as if she hasn't taken 4.5 million from the big oil and sure perhaps she can't control a super pac, but she sure as heck can tell them at the very least to cut it out. You post this as if you think that Bernie supporters have some kind of class envy going on and this kind of thing will make them think less of who they support. It's hateful. And I don't believe people that post hateful things are filled with love and joy. But, try to have a joyful day despite your apparent inability to understand what that really means.

[JaneyVee]

18. Hey I was just pointing out hypocrisy, not casting judgements.

And yes, I love you too.

[Kalidurga]

24. Hypocrisy is a judgmental word

I like how you pretend to be all sweetness and light and the way you smile when you lie.

[JaneyVee]

30. Your entire post upthread is filled with judgement.

And I posted no lies.

[Kalidurga]

37. Oh sure

And I get to judge if someone is fit for office. I also get to judge if a person is being honest. I don't find you are being honest with yourself. For many reasons I already listed. I have seen a lot of your posts, there is a pattern of not nice posts. A whole lot of negative posts in fact. But, then you claim to be all sweetness and light. I don't buy it. I don't think you buy it either.

[Baobab]

59. Look up the WTO General Agreement on Trade in Services

Article I:3 (b) and (c) (controversial attack on public services, globally) and also its "Mode Four" "movement of natural persons" provisions.

They are both huge things that the media doesn't cover, intentionally, that make a future under Hillary bleaker than bleak for the planet's non-wealthy, especially Americans.

Because it seems we get stuck with the worst deals of all the way these things work. And they are irreversible.

If she wants my vote, she needs to start explaining things and stop trying to take advantage of the media blackout on dozens of important issues which frankly, won't be pretty when they emerge.

Do we really want a President who any country which could produce a decent documentary could likely blackmail with these deals because of the US news embargo on news of them?

No, we don't we don't want a President with so little a spine she cannot be truthful.

Also, everything we've been told about health care is largely wrong, because the above reasons are also the real reason health care is so screwed up. And it gets worse, they likely want to cynically use health care as a fake "crisis" to give those jobs to others. Those millions of jobs in healthcare, teaching, IT, etc, may be the "bait" in a global job trading "game".

[snowy owl]

148. Yes, you did. Lying by omission is lying. Have a great day. You're still lying.

[HERVEPA]

87. You can take your fake love love and ----- -- ----- --- --- ---'t -----

[Lizzie Poppet]

84. You keep using those words.

I trust you know the rest...

[noretreatnosurrender]

6. LOL

You guys should write for Saturday Night Live.

[JaneyVee]

9. Which part is funny?

[Bluenorthwest]

48. Not much of it is funny. That's what makes it perfect for SNL 2016.

nt

[Baobab]

88. $3 million on daughter Chelseas wedding after claiming to be broke.

Hillary has only held one elected office and it appears it was basically handed to her. She had only just moved to New York the previous year.

In contrast, Bernie has won innumerable election contests - mayor of Burlington, (with an 86% majority, which seems perhaps like some sort of record.)

Congress, and now he's one of the two Senators for his state, and he is quite popular there. He was elected to his current Senate seat with one of the strongest majorities in the country.

What does that tell us about his ability to meet the requirements for the position, and his integrity in serving all of us?

Rich and poor alike.

Why do Hillarians dislike him so much? There is so much to like.

Their arguments are unconvincing.

[mucifer]

12. He has 2 million in his retirement fund. That's not the same thing

He was in congress decades longer than hillary. The bills have to be assessed closely for the reasons he voted against them. I am not just taking your words for your unsourced statements. The essay he wrote would not disqualify anyone. Our President said he used cocaine in his autobiography. Don't tell me republicans have never written weird stuff in their essays literally decades ago.

Nice try!

[JaneyVee]

20. Many Americans...

Have tried drugs. Not many have wrote questionable essays.

[Bluenorthwest]

51. What Obama admitted to is in fact a large felony for which people go to prison, so the fact that

others also did the same comes hand in hand with the fact that some of those others did time for doing so. No laws against writing essays, while buying, possessing and using cocaine is a felony. It was and it is. Not a small thing.

[SusanCalvin]

53. Really. More apples and oranges. nt

[SusanCalvin]

49. Exactly. A retirement fund and the Clinton's type of money is apples and oranges.

I'm glad to hear he has saved. Last I heard, that's what you're supposed to do.

And that essay. I just read the whole thing. It won't win any prizes for literature, but it does have a good point. And the grabby lede of controversy actually does relate to that point.

[Sunlei]

13. All the more reason for them to team-up, what are they waiting for? Americans will need their....

Americans will need their Leadership when the Republican primary has to be canceled.

[Scuba]

14. The desperation coming from Camp Weathervane is palpable.

[revbones]

16. ROFL

[Broward]

17. I can see why you're so enamored with Hillary.

You two have a lot in common.

[JaneyVee]

19. One day.

[Lizzie Poppet]

85. hit.nail.head

Princess Weathervane's acolytes are perfect representations of their leader.

ProTip for Janey: that's not a compliment.

[JaneyVee]

93. She was voted most admired woman in the world 20x

Protip: that IS a compliment.

[LadyHawkAZ]

105. In 2001 it was Laura Bush

1991-92 Barbara Bush
1982-84 and 1988-90 Margaret Thatcher

Posting without comment.

[SusanCalvin]

125. I'll comment. Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew! nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

141. Oh, well...that settles it, then!

[mac56]

122. ^ THIS ^

[lumberjack_jeff]

126. Exactly this. n/t

[bowens43]

21. distortions and lies are pretty much all Hill has going for her.

I really don't understand how anyone who calls themselves a Democrat could support her.

[JaneyVee]

22. Which part?

Can you point out the lie so I can edit?

[Bluenorthwest]

58. It's the whole of your OP that is distortion, but let's take a very simple twisting of basic fact as

example:

Your assertion: "He also moved to a different state to run for office."

Factual reality: Sanders moved to Vermont in the mid-1960's and did become mayor until 1981, a decade and a half later. That does not suggest that he 'moved to run for office'. Nor does it compare strongly with the facts of Hillary's relocation, Moynihan announces retirement in 1998, Clintons move to NY in 1999, Hillary runs for Senate from NY in 2000. This very strongly indicates that she did in fact move to NY to run for office.

Distortion. And that's about very basic dates and uncontested facts. Not intellectually honest.

[TrueDemVA]

46. I smell desperation at Camp Weathervane

This is such a ridiculous post. His 401k and pensions are being used in this calculation. What a slimey way to spread lies and misinformation.

[Marr]

63. +1, I've noticed that, too.

For a long time now, that's all they've been able to offer. Pretzel logic and spin that makes a nice headline.

[redstateblues]

42. He's a hypocrite

[Autumn]

25. We are also. Of course it's in our PERAS and our house so it's not like we

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can charter a private jet jet and travel the world on vacation. The rest of your OP is not worth bothering with.

[intheflow]

26. Links please.

My internet search gives Sanders a net worth of about a half million dollars to HRC's $31 million.

Sanders didn't move to Vermont to run for office, he moved to Vermont in 1968 and didn't run for any office until 1971.

And since when is voting to deregulate Wall Street a bad thing? You support the repeal of Glass-Stegall and think corporations are people?

[uponit7771]

27. Yeap, not only that he lobbied wall street for money and took it through the DCC

[Triana]

29. He received money from INDIVIDUALS who work at oil cos .. and he is NOT a millionaire.

He did NOT receive money from oil co LOBBYISTS - maybe some oil company EMPLOYEES - but they are NOT oil companies or lobbyists. They're workers.

Bernie Sanders net worth: $528K (note: hardly a millionaire) - http://moneynation.com/bernie-sanders-net-worth/

Another article has him listed as worth $300K (one of the poorest candidates out there if not THE poorest) and he has NEVER been a millionaire. http://heavy.com/news/2016/03/bernie-sanders-net-worth-money-raised-salary-income-debt-wife-welfare-president-meme-photos/

A recent photo of the inside of his modest home shows old FORMICA countertops. It's hardly a goddamned Trump palace. http://www.people.com/article/bernie-sanders-family-home-life

And here: http://www.people.com/article/bernie-sanders-fun-grandpa - he's a fun grandpa with kids toys strewn around his modest house for the grandkids to enjoy when they're there. Very normal life.

<--- note the plain kitchen and old style formica counters. Very modest home. Photo dated December 21st, 2015

He does his own laundry and grocery shopping - no maids and servants.

IOW he can represent the 99% and middle class because he IS one of them. And there is virtually NO other candidate (except perhaps O'Mally who sadly didn't make it) that can say that.

Now. Shoo with your factless propaganda about Sanders. Just because you saw it on Twitter or Facebook for from Hillary World doesn't make it true.

[JaneyVee]

33. Because all assets are in Jane's name?

Where are the tax returns?

[Triana]

50. Where is the documentation that all his assets are in Jane's name & he's wealthy?

Please provide links and .pdfs. Where are his tax returns? How do you know what's IN them if YOU haven't seen them? Just saying it is not acceptable proof. It seems you've SEEN the returns judging by the claims you're making. You can't have it both ways ie: "I know what's in them" -- and "Where are they I haven't seen them." WHICH is it?

The burden of proof of your statement is on YOU, not him. HE isn't going around squawking that he's a millionaire with two homes. YOU are.

So PROVE it. I can find a LOT of stuff that says otherwise.

Everything I read: http://heavy.com/news/2016/03/bernie-sanders-net-worth-money-raised-salary-income-debt-wife-welfare-president-meme-photos/ says he AND JANE are not worth more than $500K.

Here's what this one says about his "two homes":

He has two homes, a joint rental property in Burlington and a condo in Washington, D.C. The rental property earned him $5,001 to $15,000 in income in 2012. Meanwhile, he’s had the D.C. condo since 2000 and it has a 30-year mortgage of $50,001 to $100,000. He’s definitely not living lavishly.

IOW he hasn't NEARLY the money Hillary has and he has NOT received MILLIONS in speaking fees as Hillary and Bill have over the years.

I'm sorry but your claim doesn't thus far wash with the facts. You're evidently fueled by anti-Sanders rumors and little else.

[MADem]

112. He refuses to release his tax returns. That's a bit suspicious, IMO.

Even Romney released a few years. He hasn't.

He's going to have to do better than his 2014 return: http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/web/presidentialtaxreturns

But really, if you look at the information he's provided, it's not even a full return--it's a summary. This has been noted recently:

In this bizarre political year, Donald Trump has shown more candor than Sanders when it comes to his tax returns. That is an amazing and disturbing feat, given Trump’s penchant for exaggeration and just making stuff up, as I have been documenting since 1988. Understand that while Trump has fabricated an excuse for not disclosing any of his income tax returns, he was being more forthright than Sanders, who tries to pretend that he has disclosed his taxes.

What may surprise some is that of the five remaining Presidential candidates, only Hillary Clinton has been completely candid and forthright about her and her husband’s income tax returns, a policy of theirs that dates at least to 1992. Despite her singular transparency, news organizations routinely write, without citing any verifiable supporting facts, about Clinton’s perceived mendacity.

So what’s the issue? The Sanders, Cruz and Kasich campaigns have all distributed what they claim are tax returns; Kasich for seven years, Cruz for four, and Sanders for just one year, 2014.

But those proclaimed disclosures were neither accurate nor honest. None of those candidates has released even a single tax return....What appears unusual are his itemized deductions, totaling $56,377, a whopping 27.4 percent of his income. People in his income class of $200,000 to $500,000 on average take 15.6 percent of their income as deductions, while those in the $100,000 to $200,000 range averaged 18.8 percent. Both averages are far below the Sanders itemization rate.....

http://www.nationalmemo.com/why-hasnt-bernie-sanders-released-his-tax-returns/

He is prohibited from collecting speaking fees as a member of the Senate. It's an ethics thing. Clinton couldn't speak when she was in the Senate, OR as SECSTATE. You can be sure if he leaves public office soon he'll "hit the circuit" and make a bundle. Prior to this campaign, he wasn't a Big Money name. Now he is.

[Triana]

120. Ya still got no PROOF.

Just a supposition. And a convenient attack angle it's used for.

Everything we know says (including what he did release as you quoted above in bold) that the man is in the $200K - $500K range as far as net worth/income and yet you STILL continue with "he's a millionaire" bit.

No way I can take it seriously because there's no PROOF. Just an empty attack which is easily debunked with readily available info.

So - F A I L.

[Recursion]

99. Which is the *exact same thing* Clinton is being attacked here for doing

Neither campaign can accept donations from companies or unions or super pacs. Only from individuals.

[Surya Gayatri]

32. Thanks for running the gauntlet, Janey.

The delusion and naïveté, evident even in this thread, are sometimes breathtaking:

His policy positions are still a thousand times, no make that a kabillion times, better than Hillary's. And, she is a brazillion times more rich so it goes without saying she is a lot more evil than Bernie too.

All you can do is shake your head in
bewilderment when faced with such childlike credulity.

[tymorial]

71. Childlike credulity

The fact that you would use that term in defense of the OP is truly mindblowing.

[Surya Gayatri]

73. .../...

[tymorial]

77. Okay now that was funny

We may not agree but you definitely made me laugh out loud. I woke my daughter and angered my wife but I thank you just the same

[Surya Gayatri]

79. Glad we can at least share a joke...

[Pat Riots]

91. oh childish again?

i am nearly 50!

Bernie may have made some people white, but he is making a lot of us young too!

at least in the jaundiced eyes of the Very Serious and Reasonable grown ups in the party.

I have always voted for the Democratic nominee. This goes back to Mondale. And that nominee has been the establishment choice, for the most part. Some elections there was more than one acceptable candidate for the establishment (1984 & 2008), sometimes an insurgency was snuffed out by uniting behind somone (1988 stop Jackson). The Clintons made the Democratic party open to big corporate money, and were part of moving the party to the right in a never ending search for the Vital Center, and always seemingly concerned about not appearing too interested in working people or societys marginalized. The modern Democratic party disagrees with Republicans on social issues such as abortion and gay rights, in a very Reasonable way, but assists in the big trade deals scams and cannot somehow help labor even with a president and both houses of congress.

i am still profoundly young and foolish, but to me it is naive to keep supporting things i am morally opposed to with my vote, out of habit or misguided loyalty.

and peer pressure and put downs will never get me to do anything.

[Surya Gayatri]

103. The exact usage was "CHILDLIKE credulity"...

No, the two words do NOT mean the same thing.

And yes, the decidedly hyperbolic passage being referred to, DOES display "childlike" qualities:

His policy positions are still a thousand times, no make that a kabillion times, better than Hillary's. And, she is a brazillion times more rich so it goes without saying she is a lot more evil than Bernie too.

[onehandle]

34. Yeah, but the actor Rosario Dawson, his supporter, is worth 16+ million dollars!

Heh...

[timmymoff]

74. Did she hold a dinner in which

you could sit at her table for $335,000? Wonder why people do not trust her? Wonder why she is tied to big money? It's because she is.

[riversedge]

81. ha ha. #vettingBernie time. Not good in Sanders fans minds.

[Pat Riots]

95. knock yourself out nt

[timmymoff]

129. We don't mind.

[IdaBriggs]

35. BULLSHIT POST Begins with the FIRST SENTENCE.

He also moved to a different state to run for office.

Go read the Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

For those who won't bother, let me summarize:

Born in New York. Went to college in Chicago. Graduated, returned to New York.

In 1968 MOVED TO VERMONT.

Got involved in local third party politics in 1971. Paid his bills by doing carpentry, writing and (sorry, I would have called my husband doing it a hobby) filmmaking.

RAN FOR MAYOR IN 1980 (won) at age 39. Served two 4-year terms and did good stuff. Took a break, was a college professor.

RAN FOR REPRESENTATIVE IN 1990 (won). Served until 2006 when he RAN FOR SENATOR (won).

He raised his family in Vermont. He does have two homes - one in VERMONT and one in WASHINGTON where he has worked for TWENTY-SIX YEARS - would you have preferred he stayed at a hotel all that time?

That resume is the OPPOSITE of a carpetbagger - a carpetbagger establishes residency to run for office, but had no real investment in the community. Hillary is viewed as one in New York because she is not PERSONALLY invested in the community, and does not have close ties to her neighbors.

5 minutes of reading the wiki of the candidate shows the original post is relying on outright lies and fabrications, BEYOND out of context and just flat out ignorance to push a meme that "really, they are no different."

Hillary has a lot of "did nots" because her involvement with politics where she was actually ACCOUNTABLE TO VOTERS was EIGHT YEARS AS A SENATOR (most of the last two years actually spent campaigning for President). This is not to say she wasn't a powerful influence in politics; the First Lady has traditionally been given prestige and a platform. Her wiki discusses her ongoing political scandals (Bernie has none) in every single public role she has had. She is currently the subject of TWO Civil Lawsuits and a criminal investigation by the FBI. Bernie is not.

The original post is PURE SPIN, intentionally misleading, and really disgusting. There are REAL differences in how the candidates want to solve what they perceive as important issues facing this country, but instead, a post relying on BLATANT FALSEHOODS AND INNUENDO is what this Hillary supporter puts up?

I sincerely hope the issue is ignorance, because otherwise, it is simply shameful lies and your trustworthy quotient is at a ZERO for any future discussion.

[Mudcat]

41. thank you nt

[RazBerryBeret]

54. perfect post

thanks for the summary.

[Raster]

57. Bullshit post from yet another Clinton sycophant....

...you know, just joined DU to spread that Third Way, "It's Her Turn" toxic mess.

The issue is most assuredly NOT IGNORANCE. Willful lies and deceit are modus operandi.

[liberalnarb]

92. He's also not a millionaire. He owns about $500 thousand of wealth

[JaneyVee]

94. Go ahead, get it all out.

That was your issue?

[IdaBriggs]

109. The issue starts with YOUR LIES AND MISREPRESENTATION.

Where is your APOLOGY for posting FACTUALLY INACCURATE MATERIAL?

We aren't talking speculation (like when or if Hillary's actions of endangering National Security will result in criminal prosecution) - your statements are designed to distort, mislead and confuse.

It started with the easy one of "moved as a carpetbagger, Just Like Hilkary" which is laughable on its face, and others have already proven how you conflate "40 years of retirement savings" with "disposable income in the millions".

Please correct and apologize. Be aware if you do not, your credibility (as stated before) BECOMES ZERO because at that point, it is obvious that you and reality are not friends.

Participation in actual discussion requires a deference check to REALITY which needs to be FACT BASED. Opinions can only be considered valid or worthy of respect when everyone understands this. Using the power of language to intentionally mislead or misrepresent is cowardice of the highest level.

Either stand up for your candidates POSITIONS or just go away. Lying does no one any good except Trump.

Then again, he tells lies all the time, and the Republicans eat it up. Are you conflating members of this board with those morons and expecting ANYONE to eat this type of shit sandwich as a result?

Shameful.

[cosmicone]

36. Bernie is disingenuous and hypocritical to the core n/t

[dragonfly301]

38. If you're interested in a fairer rundown on Bernie's lifestyle

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/bernie-sanders-candidate-wealth-2016-213364

and here you can see the two multimillion dollar homes that the Clinton's own
https://www.americarisingpac.org/two-multi-million-dollar-mansions-hillary-says-struggled-pay-mortgage/

[Buns_of_Fire]

139. The one in Chappaqua looks like it might need some brush cleared.

Luckily, Bill has a good buddy who is a real whiz at clearing brush.

[whirlygigspin]

39. churning butter is fun

[awake]

40. You forgot to say he is a old Jewish straight white male.

How about telling us how much better Hillary's plans are or how she would do a better job helping the working class, oh wait I forgot her plans are just keeping the status quo and she would not do a better job of helping out the middle class. You also forgot to remind us that she is more likely to sent our service men and woman overseas to help change another country's Goverment through war and violence.

[AgerolanAmerican]

45. Disingenuous

If any of these things were actual issues to you, you would never even begin to consider supporting HRC.

So it's clear the only reason you post it at all is because you DON'T care about these things and you know Sanders supporters do and are trying to undermine that support.

Just FYI it's 100% completely obvious what you are trying to do here and it speaks directly to the absence of ethics, respect for others, and just plain human decency, that seems to characterize HRC support.

[redstateblues]

47. Bernie has come up with a brilliant scheme

Promising things he knows he can't deliver to a gullible segment of the electorate. He backed away from single payer in Vermont when it was on the table.

[Pat Riots]

102. He is a federal office holder and that was a state bill....

The one who backed away from it was Shumlin, the governor.

A Hillary supporter.

keep vetting Bernie. this is fun!

[dchill]

55. FALSE: "He also moved to a different state to run for office."

Are you still in edit mode?

[SylviaD]

56. This sort of criticism of Bernie Sanders is off the table, isn't it? nt

[Bluenorthwest]

69. Most of Camp Clinton's 'criticism' of the Jewish candidate has to do with implications of sinister

motives and financial trickery but of course that has nothing to do with the openly stated antisemitism of some of the habitual Bernie Bashers on DU. It's a big coincidence that the tropes are so similar and so consistently employed. Full coincidence. Obviously......

[jmg257]

60. #LiesMatter please stop spreading them. nt

[gollygee]

65. Lots of senators have two homes - one in DC and one in their home state

DO you have pictures of his homes available? I bet they look like normal homes.

And it isn't unusual for someone to have built up a next egg of a million dollars by his age. That's called "saving for retirement."

[livetohike]

66. But it's Bernie the pure and infallible hypocrite! Big surprise.

Nice charade going on there, isn't it? Do as I say, not as I do. What's his annual salary? $174,000? Oh but he flies coach - what a guy!

[Marr]

68. It must really suck to be a Hillary fan.

Imagine having to post things like this, that you know are nothing but the most strained misrepresentations and spin, just to make the argument that your opponent is as awful as your own candidate.

[redstateblues]

70. You forgot one: Bernie only added "democratic" to soften

"Socialist" when he was planning his run for POTUS. Disingenuous

[Surya Gayatri]

83. Have no fear...this opportunistic alteration of his "résumé" will most certainly

be used to maximum negative effect, should he by some misfortune make it to the GE.

[Baobab]

90. But he's greatly overstating the level of taxation required for his proposals

In other words, he's planning to pleasantly surprise the whole country when the fiscal aspect of his programs turn out spectacularly better than expected, with much less in the way of tax increases needed than people think.

For example, single payer actually saves so much money we're already spending what it would cost to do it now. Currently the government pays 64% of all health care costs. That's enough to just dump insurance and give everybody high quality health care now. Because the simplification and letting people go to the doctor when they get sick and not having huge bills deter them, saves a lot of money. Study after study shows that is better for everybody - in terms of quality of life, and cheaper too.

Stress causes dozes of illnesses, including premature dementia.

[randome]

72. No, he is pure and gentle and has a healing touch. You just hate leprechauns.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[tymorial]

76. I am grateful for many of you who have

Pointed out the flaws and twisted facts presented in the op. I was prepared to roll up my sleeves but so many of you picked appart this mess.

As for the rest of you, attacking people with accuasations of dishonor, niaivate, and "childlike credulity" is rich given that you are taking the op at face value and agree for no other reason (I assume.. if not then I am in error) than your support for Clinton.

[beam me up scottie]

119. ^^^THIS^^^

[CalvinballPro]

82. He's amended his taxes 7 times in the past 3 years. Hella shady, IMO, but I'm just an accountant...

...so what could I know about taxes, right?

How the hell do you "forget" four mortgages??

[MoonRiver]

124. Answer is you don't.

My parents were both accountants.

[2cannan]

130. How do you know this, if he hasn't released his taxes? nt

[CalvinballPro]

132. It's part of the public record, you know. Or not, clearly.

https://efdsearch.senate.gov/search/

EDIT: He's up to 9 amendments now. Prior counts only included those filed in 2014 and 2015, but there have been 2 more so far in 2016 as well.

[Lucinda]

135. Welllll isnt that interesting!

All that fuss about with the only return he has released....curious!

[CalvinballPro]

137. Sanders has released part of his return, but not Schedules A and C, which would show what deductions

and other itemized credits he used to decrease his income for tax purposes. This would affect what tax rate and ultimately what amount he paid in taxes for any given year.

When printed, a tax return is several pages long. Sanders has basically only released the cover sheet with the summary on it. All of the details, which provide the true picture of a candidate's taxable income, have not been released by Sanders yet.

Clinton has released 8 years of full tax returns, meanwhile. Every page, every year.

[bravenak]

142. Damn

[Bjornsdotter]

89. Not so fast...

[liberalnarb]

96. Two home? Lol

one of them is rented

[Lucinda]

136. He still owns it :) or I guess Jane does now. n/t

[mcar]

97. K&R

[LexVegas]

98. Are there idiots that still dont know Sanders is establishment? nt

[Recursion]

100. Oh God yes. People here think he considers Clinton a "corporatist" or something too

The amount of projection on this board could power an IMAX theater.

[LexVegas]

101. White man in the most powerful legislative body on earth....

Outsider!

[HassleCat]

104. I think the Clinton supporters must be right

When they say Hillary and Bernie are very much alike. You know the 93 percent thing.

[killbotfactory]

108. 2 homes? A million dollars?

That's it everybody. Forget Sanders. Let's vote for people who have waaaaaaaaay more than that and don't even pretend to give a fuck about us.

[SHRED]

111. ^^ this^^

[uponit7771]

144. Nah, just don't vote for folk who live in glass houses and act like they can throw all the stones...

... they want

[oasis]

113. Big K and R

[RoccoR5955]

116. Yeah right

And I have a bridge for sale for cheap, just for you!

A line of bovine fecal matter like I have never before seen.

Can you elaborate, or did you pull this out of your posterior? That's right, you cannot, because your head is stuck up there!

[WiffenPoof]

117. This sort of reminds me....

...of the RW criticizing someone like Al Gore when it comes to the environment. You've heard the argument. If Gore is such an environmentalist, why does he drive around in a car. Shouldn't he be riding a bike???? Stupid arguments.

[Nanjeanne]

121. This is an April Fools Day Post, right? Shouldn't it be removed now that it's April 2?

[SoapBox]

123. Stop lying...

Let's talk about Hill's Hero.



And,



And,

[lumberjack_jeff]

127. They say that trolling is an art form, when done well.

Alas, fingerpainting poop is rarely considered good art.

[Jitter65]

133. But his supporters have their fingers in their ears and blindfolds over their eyes. So no matter

what is said or shown they simply won't hear it or acknowledge it.

[Lucinda]

134. KNR

[Onlooker]

138. C'mon, don't compare Bernie to Hillary

Hillary's an economic opportunist; Bernie is not. Bernie didn't go for the gold, Hillary did. Obviously, in our culture that's not always seen as a bad thing. That's why her opponents are trying so hard to define her as unduly greedy or bribe-taking.

[delrem]

140. Ah yes, the "all politicians are as corrupt as Hillary Clinton" argument.

That works so well.

[uponit7771]

143. But a damn white bird landed on his podium!! What do you people think that means!?!? /sarcasm

[snowy owl]

145. Oversimplified and disingenuous post. Votes and legislation not that simple, folks.

[Nanjeanne]

146. I heard if you play his speeches backwards, he says "Paul is dead"

[snowy owl]

147. YOU REALLY HAVE SHOWN A DISGRACEFUL DISRESPECT FOR TRUTH HERE.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-wall-street_us_5617f634e4b0dbb8000e5a58

there is one significant blemish on that record. In 2000, Sanders voted for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act ...

By 2000, Sanders was already an unpopular figure with big banks. The prior year, he had vigorously opposed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act...

Sanders hammered the repeal bill for creating new “taxpayer exposure to potential losses should a financial conglomerate fail.”

...The legislative text Sanders supported was clearly designed to curtail regulatory oversight.

But in December, Gramm — after coordinating with top Clinton administration officials— added much harder-edged deregulatory language to the bill, then attached the entire package to a must-pass 11,000-page bill funding the entire federal government.

...new language saying the federal government “shall not exercise regulatory authority with respect to, a covered swap agreement offered, entered into, or provided by a bank.” That ended all government oversight...He also created the so-called “Enron Loophole,” which barred federal oversight of energy trading on electronic platforms.

...The bill sailed through both chambers of Congress, with few lawmakers even aware of the major new deregulatory changes.

YOU REALLY HAVE SHOWN A DISGRACEFUL DISRESPECT FOR TRUTH HERE. PHIL GRAMM (REPUBLICAN) DID THIS WITH THE CONSENT OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. see below from same

"Sanders has since hammered the CFMA, its architects and specific provisions in Senate hearings and on the Senate floor. He helped push through legislation to close the Enron loophole in 2008. He voted against the bank bailouts of 2008, and has cried foul on heavy Wall Street speculation in the derivatives market for oil, saying it needlessly drives up gas prices. He has voted to break up the largest banks, and supports reinstating the Depression-era firewall between conventional lending and risky securities trading.

Wall street watchdogs sing his praises. With one exception."

[noiretextatique]

149. And not one source to confirm this

Typical.