2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTop UN Advisor: HRC's Compulsive Misrepresentation Makes Her Unfit to be President:
Hillary Clinton and the Syrian Bloodbath
by Jeffrey D. Sachs
At Milwaukee Debate, Hillary stated:
But I would add this. You know, the Security Council finally got around to adopting a resolution. At the core of that resolution is an agreement I negotiated in June of 2012 in Geneva, which set forth a cease-fire and moving toward a political resolution, trying to bring the parties at stake in Syria together.
Except, Hillary was blatantly lying:
Dr. Jeffrey Sachs notes:
This is the kind of compulsive misrepresentation that makes Clinton unfit to be President. Clinton's role in Syria has been to help instigate and prolong the Syrian bloodbath, not to bring it to a close.
In 2012, Clinton was the obstacle, not the solution, to a ceasefire being negotiated by UN Special Envoy Kofi Annan.
It was US intransigence - Clinton's intransigence - that led to the failure of Annan's peace efforts in the spring of 2012, a point well known among diplomats.
Despite Clinton's insinuation in the Milwaukee debate, there was (of course) no 2012 ceasefire, only escalating carnage. Clinton bears heavy responsibility for that carnage, which has by now displaced more than 10 million Syrians and left more than 250,000 dead......
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/15/1485382/-Top-economist-UN-advisor-and-climate-activist-Clinton-is-a-danger-to-world-peace
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Ethics and judgment.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)She could actually be a semi-decent Republican. She certainly is no progressive or liberal.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)She's rude to "liberals", environmentalists, and others she considers beneath her.
She's polite and even deferential to the Kissingers and Cheneys of the world and others she fears or respects.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The idea that some are worth more than others is undemocratic in the extreme.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I wrote about it here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/127710435
I said almost exactly what you said near the bottom under: "Some observations about bullies. "
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...and that would be a conscience.
The kind of blood she has on her hands don't wash off.
I wouldn't be able to sleep at night,
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)and word has it she takes a LOT of naps.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)We have been talking a bit about her health lately. Yesterday I learned that she has trouble navigating stairs, and she is taking coumadin.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--suffering no ill effects.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Just wondering what exactly happened to her when she had that clot.
Millions of people are doing just fine on coumadin, but only one is running for what is arguably the world's most exhausting and strenuous job.
amborin
(16,631 posts)my uncle has atrial fibrillation and used to take Coumadin
it can lead to intestinal or cerebral vascular bleeds; alternatively, if the blood is not thin enough, it can lead to an embolus
not good, either way
I watch the stories of people who suffer from cardiovascular disease on a FB page. There is many a problem that can come from keeping coumadin titrated.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)about her health issues.
The question concerning Coumadin is WHY she has been prescribed it. People are not just prescribed Coumadin cavalierly as there are significant risks associated with its use, in particular the risk of bleeding. The questions that arise are... Does she have cardiac issues such as Atrial Fibrillation which carries with it STROKE Risk? Clinton apparently had a fall previously where she incurred a head injury with associated concussion requiring two months of treatment for concussion associated double vision. This fall was reportedly attributed to a stomach ailment that resulted in dizziness from dehydration. Dehydration in such circumstances typically occurs secondary to vomiting and/or diarrhea.
The patient also has a history of Deep Venous Thrombosis x two events prior to her concussion incident, for which the standard of care is lifelong anti-coagualtion. While Clinton's health statement states that her Coumadin was continued as a precautionary measure this is a little bit of a "stretch" as the standard of care for two blood clots in lifetime is anti-coagulation for life. Clinton is not exactly the picture of health obviously 60 plus pounds overweight which is at least partially attributable to her acknowledged Hypothyroidism per her health report authored by her personal physician Dr. Bardack clearing Clinton as healthy enough to be President. Dr Bardack describes Clinton as being in "Top Notch" health. Details are according to the article taken from Clinton's letter of health status which was dated July 28,2015 available below.
An important point to consider when a patient is on Coumadin is fall risk.. Hillary according to pictoral evidence has a history of falls including an elbow fracture in 2009. Obviously a head injury while on Coumadin can become a life and death event. Her propensity for falling is documented in various photos that I have seen in my google research here. Notably, Clinton is reported to have had a Negative Hypercoaguable work up which within the bounds of current testing removes a genetic predisposition as a cause of her Deep Venous Thromboses.
Should Clinton fall again, her physician may recommend placement of a IVC or Greenfield Filter to prevent clots in the leg from migrating to her lung which would result in diagnosis of a Pulmonary Embolus. Discontinuation of anti-coagulation would be the standardhere perhaps with a daily baby aspirin added to her medication regimen if she also has Atrial Fibrillation ongoing concerns about a recurrence of the Transverse Sinus Thrombosis.
Certainly, Hillary did have some element of post concussive disorder following her concussion and blood clot in 2012 where she reportedly incurred a Transverse Sinus Thrombosis. Hillary has also been reported to have episodes of confusion as per emails from Huma Abedin her close assistant. http://www.weeklystandard.com/huma-hillary-often-confused/article/1064726 Do not criticize the source. The emails are there in black and white.
I would as a health professional like to see her labs. Overall, I would give the more elder Bernie a SOLID NOD over his opponent from a comparative health standpoint. There is chronological age and physiologic age as a matter of science. Bernie irrespective t of his white hair which has been white for the past 25 years, physiologically is in far better health in every respect as compared to Hillary. Bernie was in his youth a distance runner and excellent athlete and to this day is reportedly still able to perform one handed push ups. His weight is very much in the normal range and he is very fit for his age.
Full Clinton Health Statement By Dr Lisa Bardack HERE http://hillaryspeeches.com/tag/lisa-bardack/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/06/law-enforcement-officials-medical-professionals-theres-something-seriously-wrong-hillary-clintons-health/
amborin
(16,631 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)totally, scarily, ruthless
Faux pas
(16,421 posts)And
polly7
(20,582 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Could be....
Now some more TRUTH...
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Maybe they really mean that she's all for women and children and people of color dying violently.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)The Clinton position on Syria is wrong, seriously wrong, dangerously wrong. But is it merely a singular instance of bad judgment, or does it represent a wider tendency to get all aggressive and hawkish? Is it an indication that Clinton will follow the example of GW Bush and become a "wartime president" by manufacturing excuses about weapons, atrocities and failed states? The traditional cold war foreign policy, from which we did not measurably depart until the Obama presidency, was to take sides based on the notion that my enemy's enemy is my friend. We consistently ignored horrible atrocities committed by our friends, while condemning those of our enemies. This appears to be the Clinton approach to Syria. I know it's tempting to conclude, "See! That's the way she sees the world!" Is it? Does she see all foreign policy that way, or is her attitude different in different parts of the world?
polly7
(20,582 posts)Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Clinton is a huge supporter of Israel, and maintains a very aggressive posture when it comes to arming and funding Israel. Her rhetoric regarding countries that don't like Israel is very heated. And her views regarding these countries apply to a significant portion of the world, all the way from north Africa, around to the east, and back along the Mediterranean. Would her views of enemies and failed states extend to Latin America? Perhaps, since she has supported meddling there, but would her actions be limited to meddling, and stop short of bombing and invasion? For example, there is a significant chance she might bomb Iran, but would she bomb Honduras?
I did mention the size of the region to which her thinking applies, and that's a problem. It represents enough of the world that there's a very good chance we will get into a shooting war during a Clinton presidency. So I'm inclined to sort of agree with the "unfit" conclusion. Her foreign policy has no place in today's world, and represents significant backsliding from where we are right now. I am not looking forward to it.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)Yep, she scares me too.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)cheer leading and supporting the destruction of Iraq.
No, Syria is NOT an isolated incident of poor judgement.
It is representative of Hillary.
It is her autograph.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)other economists, UN advisors or climate activists. He's a Bernie shill, not someone making a rational, informed criticism, just propping up his candidate by blatantly lying about the one he hates.
polly7
(20,582 posts)This should be posted for every single one of them.
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noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Of making charged statements without providing proof.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)into the dangers of war.
None of this was true. Democrats were relying on her to help keep the war monsters in check and she betray us. This war, besides killing a million, displacing 5 million and leave Iraq in ruins, made billions for the Ruling Class that has shown their gratitude to those that were responsible.
Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)nomination fight would have been over long ago and Bernie could be preparing for the general election. One can only imagine what she would do if she were sitting in the Oval Office.
moondust
(21,306 posts)He was getting top-level briefings as late as January 2001 that long before that should have told him Saddam's WMD programs were abandoned by the mid 1990s.
Some in Congress may have trusted Hillary's judgment when deciding how to vote themselves, assuming she had discussed it with her ex-President husband and their buddy Tony Blair, both of whom should have independently known something pretty close to the truth.
I'd like to see somebody publicly confront Bill Clinton on this, ask him why he didn't know better in 2002 and advise his wife accordingly.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)in 2002 and advise his wife accordingly." What makes you think he didn't? Anyone that believes that she was fooled by the crappy "intelligence" is a fool. She knew what was happening. She knew the consequences that only hurt the Middle and working classes.
Many got richer from the Iraq war. One might say that she got richer from the Iraq war. Blood money.
moondust
(21,306 posts)Tony Blair, too.
I'd like to see somebody confront Bill Clinton and Tony Blair about it--accusatorily or otherwise.
2cannan
(344 posts)CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...do not hate her.
They are afraid of her.
Because I talk to a lot of people who have sons and daughters in the military.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)floppyboo
(2,461 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)suspicious and only makes me want to support her more.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)islandmkl
(5,275 posts)then one must truly value a lie...
and as is shown many times, it is apparently easier to lie than to tell the truth...
Hillary has to contend with facts that she would rather represent in different light...but sometimes that light shines too brightly and the truth is exposed...
misrepresenting vote counts, margins, etc., altering positions per crowd makeup, claiming 'attacks' by opponents, etc. are all merely political folderol...
regime change, industrial favors, empirical ambitions...these traits have real life consequences for millions of people and the ramifications of her decision-making and goal-motivation cannot be ignored nor trivialized...and definitely not dismissed...
the status quo needs to be re-tooled, and more of the same is not the answer...unless you are in the 10%...in which case she's your candidate...
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)See George Bush for precedent.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Uncle Joe
(65,268 posts)Thanks for the thread, amborin.