No, Bernie Sanders did NOT win Nevada.

[geek tragedy]

https://mobile.twitter.com/CJBear71/status/716411383282147328/photo/1

"Bernie might get 1 extra delegate from this. Took 8 hours.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CJBear71/status/716411383282147328

Long story short: DNC rules mandate that district level delegates reflect caucus voting, not county convention voting.

Hillary won Nevada.

[Cali_Democrat]

1. Bernie's campaign is trying to take Hillary's victories away from her

Thank god for super delegates.

[geek tragedy]

2. And for New York, Pennsylvania and MD. nt

[merbex]

3. Umm, her delegates don't show up and that's HIS fault? On what planet?

[riderinthestorm]

4. Hillary's committed delegates failed to show up

How is that Bernie "taking Hillary’s victories"?

[geek tragedy]

6. Doesn't affect national delegate allocation that much

County conventions don't determine national delegates

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. Maybe if you vote and re-vote enough you might get the result you desire./nt

[riderinthestorm]

20. Which is what happened to CoffeeCat in her IA county wide caucus

except in that county the votes were flipped to Hillary.

I dont remember any of you upset when it happened to Bernie in IA.

FWIW, I happen to think it sucks on either side.

Everyone's vote matters and should count no matter who you're voting for.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. If Bernie had votes stolen than the thieves should be shamed as well...

Democracy shouldn't be a game.

[kristopher]

30. Perhaps you could send that message to your candidate and her agent, David Brock.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. You go first, Kristopher... And tell your candidate and his minions Nevada already caucused.

LOVE
DSB

[kristopher]

49. We don't have anything or anyone that equates to Brock.

The Hillary campaign has been operating in a sleazy fashion from before day one. As for Nevada, are you cool with the role Harry Reid played in bussing in voters to cast their ballots under the supervision of their bosses?
If you are...

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

5. Thank god for super delegates

Otherwise Hillary would have to win all of the required delegates the regular way -- you know, by the vote of the people.

[bigtree]

8. she won the 'vote' there by at least 10%

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. "she won the 'vote' there by at least 10%"

[SheilaT]

54. No she didn't.

According to what I find on line she took 52.6% of the vote or the delegates, I think it's the delegates, and Bernie took 47.3%.

And if her pledged delegates can't be bothered to show up for the next step of the process, then that speaks volumes about just how committed her supporters are. At least in Nevada.

[geek tragedy]

14. National delegates are apportioned based on the votes

on caucus day.

[StevieM]

34. Sanders is the one who is counting on the SDs to give him the win.

Hillary is up by over two-hundred PDs.

Oh, I forgot. Bernie will win Wisconsin in a landslide. And then NY in a landslide. And then PA in a landslide. And then NJ and CA in a landslide.

Enjoy the Wyoming Caucus a week from today. It is the last caucus and therefore Bernie's last landslide.

[mythology]

42. You mean like she's doing?

That insult doesn't work when Clinton is substantially ahead in pledged delegates. If you take out the super delegates, Clinton has won 61% of the pledged delegates necessary for the nomination (2026 without super delegates) and Sanders has won 48% of the pledged delegates necessary. So it's kind of hard to argue that Clinton wouldn't be able to win if she didn't have super delegates given that she's already substantially ahead.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

81. I'm not saying that Clinton hasn't won the vast majority of the pledged delegates so far

I just don't understand the role of superdelegates in the process. If they automatically go with the leading candidate, why have them at all? BTW, I'd have the same question if Bernie was leading. It just seems as if the whole concept of superdelegates falls in the same category as the electoral college process -- a way to subvert the will of the people.

Otherwise we would have had President Gore rather than Dubya, who won by one vote (on the Supreme Court).

[rjsquirrel]

77. Which she is doing and will do...

so ok.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Glad we live in Cali where people can't steal our votes./nt

[reddread]

25. they stole your governor

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. He's still here...I met him last time he was in L A.

[reddread]

33. says what?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Him, the one with the tie, lol

[reddread]

37. yeah, thats about when I met that pepper sprayer* the first time

I was referring to Gray Davis, as you probably realize.

*pepper spraying when he isnt launching non lethal projectiles at citizens.

[dchill]

28. How, exactly?

[noretreatnosurrender]

29. You are entitled to your opinion

but you are not entitled to your own facts. The Clinton delegates failed to show up. How in the world can you twist that into what you wrote?

[CountAllVotes]

53. +1,000!!

Nail on zee head there!

CountAllVotes and if you don't show up to vote, what does one expect as there are no votes to count !!

#FeelTheBern !!!

[Laser102]

73. I heard they did show up and were prevented by Bernies people from getting in. Cheaters.

[samson212]

78. Where did you hear that? Got a source?

I heard the opposite:

The Clark County Dem party told them they had to change their vote to Clinton if they wanted to go to the convention. They were told if they’re unwilling to change their vote they can just go home. Sanders campaign attorneys showed up as the Bernie delegates refused to leave. The Clark County Dem party called the police an are trying to get the Bernie delegates arrested.

(other useful info at link)

[Perogie]

35. Thank god for the unelected super delagates that don't care how the people voted

You guys want it both ways. If Bernie wins Nevada then he is not aligning with the will of the people that voted.

But if Super Delegates vote against the will of the people from their state it's just the rules.

You obviously don't care except if Hillary wins no matter if any rules are broken by her team.
That's just sad, no wonder the Democratic party is in trouble.

[votesparks]

38. That was perhaps

one of the more misinformed things I've read here in a long time.

[me b zola]

39. "Her victory"

You mean like that long line of workers who marched in lock step in and out of the caucus on the LV strip, without giving any documentation and would not stop when told to because they needed to be verified?

GTFOOH

[KingFlorez]

9. Now that is a big haul

It's so pathetic that people are trying to rehash races that are already done.

[geek tragedy]

11. 40,000 person hours for that nt

[Nevernose]

18. It'd be a bigger deal

If you were in the room with 10000 other Democrats!

[CentralCoaster]

10. Too soon to tell.

Things change.

[Skid Rogue]

13. LOL!

[Lucinda]

17. TY ~ KNR

[Lucinda]

19. ...

[wildeyed]

21. Thanks for clearing this up.

[UtahLib]

23. K&R. nt

[politicaljunkie41910]

24. Bernie Supporters will do anything to keep their lie at the top of the posted threads.

Thanks for posting this.

[mainstreetonce]

26. Hillary won Nevada

Hill yes!

[Number23]

27. Woo hoo!

Thanks, geek!

[Aerows]

40. If you take this much time

to describe how another candidate "lost", instead of exhorting how your candidate won, your candidate is in trouble.

But hey, eek it out. eek it out. eek it out.

[oasis]

41. Thanks for bringing DU back down to planet Earth.

[Gothmog]

43. I trust Jon Ralston on this

[Lucinda]

45. Me too. And I linked to the states pdf file in the other thread and here:

http://nvdems.3cdn.net/efafb4788ed845d0d3_08m6i2zsp.pdf

[Number23]

52. So why are people filling up this forum with stories that Sanders won Nevada?

What is the truth here??

Even articles from Las Vegas aren't really that helpful http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/apr/02/sanders-wins-most-delegates-at-clark-county-conven/

And an April 3 updated story from AP still has Clinton winning the delegate count, 20 to 15.

[Gothmog]

55. Sanders supporters evidently do not know the rules and think that they won

[Number23]

59. It seems to be terribly confusing. But people who understand are saying that it changes nothing

"I think it's unlikely it changes the state. But even if it did it cuts very little into her overall lead."

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports

[pugetres]

60. This wasn't for the National Convention.

This was the County level convention.

So while I'm waiting to learn more about the implications of what happened today, I'm not going to agree with a copy/paste of something that is referring to an event that has not occurred yet.

I've only just started learning about caucusing in my state but it doesn't seem to be a cut and dried process.

[MrWendel]

44. I tried to...

find a story on this on Google, the only things that said anything remotely like this was Reddit.

[Lucinda]

46. Someone from DU was at the caucus today and made the claim

which may be where reddit picked it up...

[MrWendel]

47. Well..

is someone from planet DU said it....

[Lucinda]

48. LOL exactly.

These things are really complicated, so I get the fact that they may think things changed, but it appears they haven't. Not much anyway.

[Nanjeanne]

50. Well Lucy Fllores thinks differently

A tweet from her https://twitter.com/lucyflores/status/716410087477121024

When you organize, you win. NV is feeling the Bern. Shoutout to my sister @ninaturner 4 sharing this amazing day!!

[geek tragedy]

51. Don't care what she thinks nt

[jfern]

56. Green Papers says state convention delegates choose national district delegates

[reformist2]

57. Yes. Also, I have read in several places that the initial caucus on Feb. 20 was "non-binding".

It really looks as though Bernie has flipped Nevada.

[Cha]

58. Yeah, she did.. Thank you, geek

[w4rma]

61. Sanders won Nevada 4,379 delegates to Clinton’s 3,634 delegates. That's a 14% margin.

After the Clark County Democratic Convention, Bernie Sanders has flipped his close Nevada caucus loss to a 14-point win. The Sanders campaign pulled out a victory in Nevada’s most populous county at this weekend’s convention in Las Vegas.
…
When adding that new delegate count to the delegate counts from Nevada’s 16 other counties recorded on February 20, Sanders won the state with 4,379 delegates to Clinton’s 3,634 delegates, for a total of 8,013 delegates who will go to the Nevada Democratic Party’s state convention in May. This gives Sanders 57.8 percent of the vote, making him the new winner of the Nevada caucus.

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-wins-nevada-democratic-caucus/

[geek tragedy]

62. He finishes with fewer delegates.

District delegates assigned per caucus day votes.

[pnwmom]

63. You think long lines constitute voter fraud in AZ but the multi-step caucuses

that result in outcomes like this are just fine?

As long as Bernie wins, everything's okay, right?

[snagglepuss]

68. This is careless not fraud as everyone got the same notice. Bernie's people aware

of real suppression in AZ and elsewhere were on their toes looking for shenanigans and spotted the discrepancy. It speaks volumes that Hillary's team didn't feel the need to be viligant.

[pnwmom]

69. Hillary had nothing to do with the situation in Arizona because the Rethugs were

in charge of the election. But DU was full of posters blaming her. Were you one of them?

[SixString]

64. Posts hidden by Jury: 11 n/t.

[Logical]

65. Wow! Nt

[geek tragedy]

66. Intelligent comment. nt

[Cha]

70. So? that just says the opposition wants to silence and censor geek.. it's nothing for you to brag

about.

[SixString]

71. "Bullshit..hilary is morally depraved and...

your attempts at covering up her depravity are worthless."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5692646#5699469

"hilary is a tenacious LIAR and has never fought for a fooking thing except herself."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5692646&mesg_id=5699056

"Yeah....Bullshit. death to the dino fascist wing of the Dem"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5692646&mesg_id=5699079

mahalo.

[Logical]

75. NO, it sows how rude SOME hillary fans are. nt

[Capt. Obvious]

74. Oh don't worry

He's busy firing off alerts to try and even the score.

[opiate69]

76. 11!

[Chan790]

72. reformist2 has the actual numbers of NV delegates as a result of the convention...and you're wrong.

Clark Co. flips enough delegates that Hillary will now lose Nevada, barring some "miracle" at the state convention.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511635409

[George II]

79. Yes, 8 hours of badgering and cajoling, instead of at the ballot box.

[NastyRiffraff]

80. K&R

Thank you for the sanity, geek.