Why does Hillary stink so bad at being a candidate?

[Joe the Revelator]

http://www.ktnv.com/news/thousands-turn-out-for-clark-county-democratic-convention

I mean, that's just unforgivable on her campaign.

[Kalidurga]

1. I think it's great obviously some had time to rethink their vote.

Perhaps they saw the #Iamsosick video. Or maybe they saw one too many lies. Or they saw coverage of a Bernie rally. Who knows, I don't so I don't think we can lay the blame on Hillary when it's likely to be her supporters who just decided for their own reasons not to show up.

[snowy owl]

2. Maybe it's David Brock.

[madville]

3. Honest answer

I think she is a narcissist. She can't relate to other people. I think it's a common trait among many politicians. It's like they are actors sticking to a script, trying to assume and maintain a certain public persona, but the minute they go off-script and have to improvise it comes out all wrong.

Hotchkiss' seven deadly sins of narcissism

Hotchkiss identified what she called the seven deadly sins of narcissism:
- Shamelessness: Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways.
- Magical thinking: Narcissists see themselves as perfect, using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to dump shame onto others.
- Arrogance: A narcissist who is feeling deflated may reinflate by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.
- Envy: A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person's ability by using contempt to minimize the other person.
- Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.
- Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other person is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.
- Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist, there is no boundary between self and other.

But she's ours and, pending the outcome of the FBI investigation, the likely nominee.

[Baobab]

8. You nailed it madville

+10000


narcississtic people are delusional.

They make the worst politicians - but unfortunately they are overrepresented in politics because they are the people who want the jobs and most people don't.

[Betty Karlson]

40. Scary thought: Clinton's supporters want the GE race to be between

Mr Narcissist and Mrs Narcissist. Now there is a set-up for "the lesser of two evils" if ever I saw one.

[snowy owl]

4. Exposure and momentum apparently help. I think some southerners may regret earlier vote.

[mythology]

5. If she stinks as a candidate

what does that mean the guy losing to her is as a candidate? I mean if she's so awful, and yet is still so far ahead, Sanders must be even more awful logically.

It's really kind of awkward for your point.

And it's kind of funny (not in a good way) that Sanders supporters are so eager to have the results of the caucus overturned. I could have sworn I've heard all sorts of complaints that the super delegates were going to steal the election for Clinton and that would be horrible and end the party. And yet when this second undemocratic event occurs to select some of the delegates going against the previously stated will of the voters, Sanders supporters cheer it. Scratch that about it being funny. It's actually just sad.

[Gwhittey]

11. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."

Are you just now following the primaries? Sanders started the race at like >10%. Think of it like this. You are thinking of running in New York Marathon. And the person you are running against started the race a day ahead of you. So you enter the race and still person is leading you because they are using a skateboard to help them out. But you keep running along as hard as you can. Then about 1/2 into the race you are now just a few steps behind the leader. So do think that you at this point are a worse runner because person in lead is ahead of you, or are you a better runner because you ran your ass off and took away the lead they had.

Probably a little of both.

[Hiraeth]

16. pathetic. welcome to ignore.

[frylock]

47. The guy that has the entire Party apparatus working against him?

The guy that has been largely ignored by a fawning, lapdog media? Mrs. Clinton has been groomed for this moment for 20+ years, and she is so disliked and inept that she can't close the deal on a little-known, 74 year-old self-proclaimed socialist. Hillary is the worst candidate in the history of ever.

[oasis]

6. I'll settle for her being an exceptional POTUS.

[snowy owl]

7. Isn't that magical thinking?

She may be elected and I hope so too. She needs to calm down to look Presidential now.

[oasis]

9. Once in, Hill will get the job done in splendid fashion. Clinton "know how".

[Joe the Revelator]

10. wtf does that even mean?

[Jarqui]

32. They "know how" to deceive they're getting the job done. For example:

Hillary says she's “a progressive who gets things done.”

Fact: she's not a real progressive. She's Republican lite

"who gets things done": What significant legislative accomplishment did Hillary initiate and get done? True answer: nothing. Hillary is someone claiming she can get stuff done in the wake of a lifetime of not doing much legislatively. Unfortunately, she's sucked a lot of people into believing that nonsense she claims. "If you say it enough, people will start believing it ..."

That behavior could reward her with the Oval Office so that behavior is unlikely to change.

Can't wait until David Brock is Press Secretary!! No Press conferences required. The media can just pick up his filtered spin at Bluenationreview.com

[ChairmanAgnostic]

49. That means, if we are unfortunate to have her as pres.,

WTch for Sydney blumenthal to run foreign affairs, Bll to do his bit to have domestic ones, Huma to be chief of staff, and a whole slew of really shady jerks filling her White House. Kissinger will draft her game plan and Bibi will be her voice in the ME.

She would be a disaster as president. And of course, today's GOP will roll Ver and play dead for her, giving her everything she wants.

Hmm. Actually, they may, given how close she is to Wall and the military industrial creeps

[oasis]

55. Those of us who were around during the Clinton Prosperity of the 90's

know what it means. The Clintons will again assemble some of the best administrative minds to assist Hillary in the White House.

[Octafish]

12. Is it her voice?

Reminds me of getting scolded as a kid by someone everybody knew was wrong.

[seabeyond]

14. Of course it reminds you have mean old mommy.

[Octafish]

17. Is that how you treat people, seabeyond?

Sad.

[seabeyond]

18. You are the one that comes on a thread and states Clinton reminds you of mommy disciplining you.

Why blame me. It is clear what you are saying seeing how women have heard this ALL our lives and it is said repeatedly by men.

[Octafish]

21. No, actually, that is what you said.

Which makes me think even less of you than I did previously.

[seabeyond]

13. Clinton is wining. Actually, Clinton already has this won. If she stinks, then Sanders stinks that

much more, being the loser.

[Joe the Revelator]

19. This is a failed respone. Sanders was the challenger, Sanders started with zero advantage and has...

proven time and time again that he has put together a movement and has enthusiasm on his side.

[seabeyond]

28. A movement does not sit at 30% of the nation. Lol. And well, winner/loser. You are funny.

[mak3cats]

23. She's wining, all right. You just misspelled it - needs an "h". (eom)

[KingFlorez]

15. The better question is why does Sanders stink so bad at being a candidate

An over 200 delegate deficit is quite awful.

[Joe the Revelator]

20. Hillary has been running for President since '92. Bernie since last June.

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Check the enthusiasm gap.

[Lil Missy]

25. Okie Dokie! That explains everything!

[KingFlorez]

26. Has he been running since 1992 or since last June? It can't be both

There sure is no enthusiasm gap at the polls for Clinton. Her voters have been showing up.

[Joe the Revelator]

39. You got me on the typo.

[Politicalboi]

51. Except yesterday in NV

Hopefully this is her future. And she's been running since 92. Telling us lies for over 2 decades.

[SwampG8r]

22. It reflects her fitness to govern. Nt

[Lil Missy]

24. She's doing better than Bernie. LOTS better. She's winning. Maybe your premise is false.

[beachbum bob]

27. she has a record of getting stuff done that its easily criticize, unlike the guy running against her

for starters....

[1StrongBlackMan]

31. LOL ...

she has a record of getting stuff done that its easily criticize, unlike the guy running against her

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. Because you don't like her as a candidate? ...

But to this point +2.6 million voters think she is doing just fine as a candidate.

[Bleacher Creature]

33. To me, this is the single biggest fail of the Sanders campaign.

That is, the unwillingness to tamp down on his supporters' annoying inability to promote their candidate without insulting, patronizing, or otherwise demeaning the millions of people who disagree with them.

This is a pretty tame example by comparison, but it's still fitting.

Thanks for calling out the OP on it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

42. The campaign tried; but Bernie fans are true fans ...

add to that their perpetual angry anger ... well ... there's no controlling them!

[Joe the Revelator]

38. Not many like her as a candidate. Good front runners close the deal.

Hillary can't even close Nevada. That's troubling, if you want a dem to win in November.

[1StrongBlackMan]

43. LOL ... +2.6 million and counting disagree.

[Joe the Revelator]

50. You can keep quoting that number, but the voting isn't done...

....and she's still losing state after state after state. That doesn't happen with good candidates.

[1StrongBlackMan]

52. Yes... I keep quoting facts and reality ...

and yes, HRC has lost state after state ... after winning state after more populous state.

[Joe the Revelator]

56. If you want to be the nominee, you have to win outside of early the south and early March...

...so far she has shown an amazing inability to do that.

You also need to close states that you've already 'won'. The results of Nevada seem to prove that she can't even pull off that basic feat.

[1StrongBlackMan]

63. No ... All a candidate has to do is win a majority of pleged delegates ...

which so far she has shown an amazing ability to do.

[Joe the Revelator]

64. You take away super's, which you should, and its not entirely that amazing for such a frontrunner. n

[1StrongBlackMan]

65. Okay... take away the supers and she is still winning the delegate count AND the popular vote.

[Joe the Revelator]

66. Which brings me back to my origina point, the voting isn't done and she has lost all momentum at a..

..time she should have been putting this away.

[1StrongBlackMan]

68. Your concern is noted.

[Joe the Revelator]

69. Oh don't fall back on that weak, done to death, cliche reply.

You're better than that.

[1StrongBlackMan]

70. There is no need for me to argue farther ... You are hoping that HRC loses to Bernie ...

that is not happening. So you are hoping that your "she can't close" argument gains traction.

And that is not happening, either.

[Joe the Revelator]

72. So far, I'm right. She can't close. She couldn't close in 08, and she can't close now....

....and its one of many many MANY reasons I think she would make a bad nominee.

[Tarc]

30. Setting aside your 3rd-grader vocab description of a Democratic presidential candidate...

All this shows is how outdated and clunky the caucus system is, and all this effort is only going to bump Sanders up a single delegate, not the +10 swing initially reported.

[Joe the Revelator]

57. How's this for '3rd grade vocabulary'? Why does Hillary Clinton shit the bed when its time to close

out a primary? Why does she suck at finishing?

[Tarc]

58. When did you stop beating your spouse?

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/loadques.html

[Joe the Revelator]

59. Its not a fallacy when it happens twice. Try again.

[Tarc]

60. Poor little poppet

This is all you have left when your guy has no viable path to a delegate majority, eh?

[Joe the Revelator]

61. Bernie is not 'my guy', he is the only candidate that is even arguably progressive so I have no....

other choice.

With that said, my confidence in Hillary's ability to continue shitting the bed is high. If the bet for the nomination was Hillary vs The Field, even at this late date I would put money on the field.

[Tarc]

62. Poor little poppet

[JSup]

67. Oh, nice...

....thanks for the link; I've been using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question to respond to the folks that love to throw around Complex Question Fallacies.

On topic, with the Nevada shenanigans I think the superdelegates do not need to 'represent the will of the people'. The rules state they don't have to, just like the rules in NV state that folks can ignore the will of the people.

Hillary is a perfectly fine candidate, but she's terrible at making false promises to get people to vote for her; the best liar this year is Trump with his pie-in-the-sky 'Great Wall' promise.

[Arugula Latte]

34. I think the heart of the problem is she wants to be president because

she wants to be president. There doesn't seem to be an underlying passion, theme, or message to her campaign, other than "I've got experience." Yeah, she's got experience, and not always the good kind...

[Autumn Colors]

53. Not just that she wants to be president

She wants a place in history by becoming the FIRST FEMALE president.

[tabasco]

35. Because her rise to prominence was due to marriage.

It was not her work that gained her national prominence. Due to the weak underpinnings in her background, she is a poor candidate on the national stage.

[Attorney in Texas]

36. Hillary is campaigning to BE something (the first female president) so -- for her -- the campaign is

an unpleasant task that she must endure to win the prize she wants so badly. For Hillary, the campaign ends the day she wins or loses.

Sanders is campaigning to DO something (to restore FDR's values to the Democratic party and to obtain a more equitable deal for middle class and less well off Americans) so -- for him -- the campaign is a movement to change our party and change our country and that campaign will not end if he wins or loses (just like FDR continued campaigning throughout his presidency with his fireside chats because for FDR, like Sanders, the job wasn't done the day he won the presidential office).

[reformist2]

41. Such a great point. [phone]

[PufPuf23]

44. Nice.

Hillary Clinton reminds me of Richard Nixon in many ways.

[Autumn Colors]

54. Yes, exactly. (nt)

[Cryptoad]

37. ummm not too bad

got million more votes and leads in Delegates with a cog lock on the nomination.
not too bad at all

[AgingAmerican]

45. She runs a defensive reactionary campaign

She reacts to issues instead of leading on them

[TheDormouse]

46. people forget she's only ever been elected to one office nt

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

48. I thought you were going to post this: "I feel sorry sometimes, for the young people who, you know

believe this — they don’t do their own research.” FAIL

Her next sentence was: “I’m glad that we now can point to reliable, independent analysis that says, no, it’s just not true.” GOOD RESPONSE

Now, she would have been in good shape to omit the first sentence, but as you note, she stinks bad at being a candidate.

[Orsino]

71. She is ambitious...

...in a country that closed (to women) all conventional routes to the presidency. She has had to ride coattails, including stale old donor lists.

She is not the typical glad-handing bro, and can't quite pull off that vibe. That's not necessarily a bad thing. If we nominate her, I'll have to hope that, finally, she can step away from Big Money and begin to do what is right for the rest of us. There have been some hints that this is still a possibility.