2016 Postmortem
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fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I don't know how you would trust him to be your president.
longship
(40,416 posts)I am sick and tired of the pre-crowned crowning of Queen Hillary. Like the presidency is passed down through families and spouses.
FUCK THAT!
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Nothing has ever been handed to her.
longship
(40,416 posts)But other than that, she has had no leg up.
RIGHT!
My advice is to keep up that narrative. She gets to be be POTUS because her husband was one. Of course, that's the same reason why she was a US Senator and a SOS.
Hillary is smart, but she unfortunately (like her husband) has many ethical failings. Apparently that runs in the family as well.
I voted for Bernie in the MI primary -- go MI, Bernie upset! I despise Hillary Clinton. The only thing that might save her is that the GOP candidates are so odious that voters just might ignore her negatives and decide that she is not as odious as what the GOP is offering.
The thing is, I think that Hillary Clinton loses to the GOP in November and Bernie would win.
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Beowulf
(761 posts)from the bad acid you dropped in your youth.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Bernie is the one in the TANK with KOCH
Bernie Sanders was the ONLY liberal person who Voted Against Ex-Im Bank. Very puzzling since this is not a vote any democrat would ever make. Well it is a vote that benefits the KOCH BROTHERS who in turn gave money to Sanders Campaign.
http://www.rollcall.com/politics/sanders-unique-among-senate-democrats-opposing-export-import-bank/
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/2016-election-defense-military-industry-contractors-donations-money-contributions-presidential-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-republican-ted-cruz-213783
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-against-ex-im-bank
oasis
(53,695 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I tried to like him and even convinced myself things would be OK if he were to be elected.. but the sickness in my stomach of a bad person/bad feeling never went away. Now he is EXPOSED. This is not all.. there is enough to post everyday until June.
oasis
(53,695 posts)Response to oasis (Reply #22)
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Kentonio
(4,377 posts)http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/bernie-sanders-gop-ally-opposing-export-import-bank-2125378
longship
(40,416 posts)Huh? What might they be. I am trying to think about that and I somehow cannot come up with many, if any.
Please. Tell us all about Bernie's ethical failures. Then, we will air the Clintons'.
I love Big Dawg. He's never been my top preference for POTUS, but he's done Dems a lot of good, especially when Dean was DNC chair. However, he also done a whole lot of bad. Hillary Clinton's political rising is one of them. Both of them's support for third way is a huge part of it.
There is no third way. Either one support Democratic principles or one does not. Bernie does and Hillary clearly does not. "No we can't!" she says.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Bernie is the one in the TANK with KOCH
Bernie Sanders was the ONLY liberal person who Voted Against Ex-Im Bank. Very puzzling since this is not a vote any democrat would ever make. Well it is a vote that benefits the KOCH BROTHERS who in turn gave money to Sanders Campaign.
http://www.rollcall.com/politics/sanders-unique-among-senate-democrats-opposing-export-import-bank/
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/2016-election-defense-military-industry-contractors-donations-money-contributions-presidential-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-republican-ted-cruz-213783
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-against-ex-im-bank
Not only did the WaPo's fact checker give BS three Pinocchios, FactCheck.org also
provided much of the same analysis and conclusion:
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/12/clinton-and-fossil-fuel-money/
"...The $160,000 (as of 12/15) Clintons campaign has received from the oil and gas industry comes entirely from oil and gas company employees (her campaign also received $398,000 from oil and gas employees during the 2008 campaign fifth highest among the presidential candidates). These employees could be executives or merely rank-and-file employees of an oil or gas company. Although the tally includes PAC donations, no PACs tied to the oil and gas industry have donated to the Clinton 2016 campaign, researchers at the Center for Responsive Politics told us."
Here is the WaPo fact checker's column from today:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/02/fact-checking-the-clinton-sanders-spat-over-big-oil-contributions/
This is separate from Philip Bump's column, which Steve Benen referenced.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/01/why-hillary-clinton-is-justifiably-annoyed-by-critiques-of-her-big-oil-fundraising/
CentralMass
(16,971 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)Surely you're confused and talking about Hillary...
senz
(11,945 posts)How very Hillary.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)yellerpup
(12,263 posts)is because Daniel Patrick Moynihan anointed her to take his place. He died, and she won a special election. This is not because people of NY were demanding her, but DPM was a beloved and very powerful politician. There were cries of carpet bagger at the time. She ran for senate unopposed and was up against a greenhorn Republican (Rick Lazio) when she won. I think she knows where she stands here and she should be nervous.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...on the streets of New York City. I was in my early 20s and had never seen that before.
I actually took a 20 out and was going to play. It looked easy.
After a while, I realized the guy that kept winning was really a 'shill' (a compatriot of the 'dealer.')
As was most of the crowd around me.
As I broke free of the scene, I felt that weird feeling that I almost got 'had.'
I felt the same way as a New York voter when Hillary kept becoming Senator.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)The slacker fry-cook at Burger King that thought himself kind to "upgrade" my veggieburger with some bacon...that guy has worked harder to get where he is in life than Hillary has.
Hillary has consistently gotten it handed to her off Bill's accomplishments. Her entire political career owes itself to Bill having been President, not her own accomplishments.
She's Chance the Gardener.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)(A brief reminder that I'm gender-fluid. There are days when I'm girlier than Hillary has ever been; flouncing about in my nylon-and-coat-hanger homemade fairy-wings, batik-print sarong, on-point-as-fsck makeup, and NOW tee-shirt like some sort of gender-party pixie. Accusing me of sexism is immoderately hilarious.)
She is where she is today because she was boosted into the national spotlight by Bill's presidency. When Bill was elected, she wasn't a viable candidate for any political office outside of the state of Arkansas and possibly even in Arkansas. She got the name recognition to run for the US Senate from being First Lady. She got the recognition and cache to run for President and be appointed Sec. of State from her time in the Senate. If she'd never been First Lady, it's a safe wager she'd never have risen above being a partner of a moderately-prestigious Little Rock law-firm on her own merits. There are a lot of equally or more talented female politicians that have never even come close to having their candidacy for the Presidency taken seriously.
It's not unfair to say she's been handed a political career on account of having been First Lady; it's patently absurd to assume or assert that she has not.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Is to throw ridiculous accusations of sexism at any query put against a woman. It's lazy, offensive and damaging to the feminist cause.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)There's no need to keep feeding this shit. We've got a primary to win, not some turd on a message board to defeat.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Thats what you're supporting.....A SERIAL LIAR!!.... Its a major part of The Clinton's theater of illusions serving up a healthy duping of the American voter......they are grifters down to the core.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Do you deny all that has come out regarding Bernie Sanders the last few days? Source after source has been posted it's too much to deny.
Segami
(14,923 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Bernie is the one in the TANK with KOCH
Bernie Sanders was the ONLY liberal person who Voted Against Ex-Im Bank. Very puzzling since this is not a vote any democrat would ever make. Well it is a vote that benefits the KOCH BROTHERS who in turn gave money to Sanders Campaign.
http://www.rollcall.com/politics/sanders-unique-among-senate-democrats-opposing-export-import-bank/
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/2016-election-defense-military-industry-contractors-donations-money-contributions-presidential-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-republican-ted-cruz-213783
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-against-ex-im-bank
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CentralMass
(16,971 posts)CentralMass
(16,971 posts)"When Hillary Clinton offered her full-throated support for the Export-Import Bank during Sundays Democratic presidential debate, a vast majority of viewers were likely unaware that some of the largest recipients of subsidies from the federal agency are major Clinton Foundation donors.
Boeing, General Electric, ExxonMobil, Dow Chemical, Emirates Airline, and others have received billions of dollars in handouts from Ex-Im. Theyve also contributed massively to the Clinton Foundation and other Clinton-related endeavors. Companies like Bechtel Corp. have ties to the Clintons through Podesta Group, a Washington, D.C. lobbying firm.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/07/clinton-defends-ex-im-bank-which-benefits-clinton-foundation-donors/#ixzz44nOdsoOG"
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)If the vote would have went the way Bernie voted people would have lost jobs on a huge scale.. there homes etc.. He did not vote the right way. He voted PRO KOCH and anti jobs.
CentralMass
(16,971 posts)Hear the President talk about it a minute or so into this clip.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)teeth kicked in for lying, over and over and over? No, no fucking way do I take moral scolding from people who support that...person.
Deadshot
(384 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)It just shows how bad he victimized you with his lies and hopes...FALSE PROPHET stuff
CentralMass
(16,971 posts)oasis
(53,695 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)...oh, wait. Reds. I get it! How embarrassing...for you
Segami
(14,923 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Looks like they emptied out the kitchen sink into your nice clean thread, Segami.
Better duck quick -- the sink can't be far behind!
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)And I only see four.
I don't often ignore but when I do I "fully ignore".
Best tool ever!
senz
(11,945 posts)Sorta like to know what's going on -- although lately GD-P is resembling a dog park without any picking-up.
Segami
(14,923 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)I have put something like 72 on ignore, totally surprised by that number.
I stated using it because of one member in particular and then started ignoring any member posting those daily Poll figures showing Hillary ahead. FFS, make a thread for polls, put them all there, so off they went.
I just figured out that, looking at this thread from a different browser not signed in, that entire sub-threads are gone if the first reply is by someone on ignore, this a lot of missing "discussion"..
Page loads faster, that's cool!
PS, I cherish your posts' subject lines. "2007 Yearly Kos: Hillary Clinton on ACCEPTING Lobbyist Money"
Legend
Segami
(14,923 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)As you say, they already brought it. And it came back in a thousand shards right at their faces. Now they have jack fucking zip, as evidenced by desperate and ridiculous human beings posting their masturbation fantasies about Sanders and subway fares.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)They must have worked up quite a lather.
Based on Bernie's formative experience with the Brooklyn Dodgers moving to Los Angeles, I am surprised his platform doesn't include a constitutional amendment to block cities and states from bidding each other to see who can offer the biggest incentives to bring in professional sports franchises and businesses. It is a way to pit cities and states against each other in a game of prisoner's dilemma to enrich the 0.1% who own these teams and businesses (and the scummy relocation consultant industry) with the 99.9% paying for it. d enough anymore.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Video snip at 1:06