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bigtree

(94,672 posts)
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:56 AM Apr 2016

ANY election process which reverses legitimate votes is anti-democratic and wrong

...that is all.



Alan Kestrel ‏@AlanKestrel750 2h2 hours ago
Even after Clark County Dem Convention, Ralston is reporting a virtual Clinton lead in NV. https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/sanders-likely-flips-two-delegates-after-dominating-clark-convention


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ANY election process which reverses legitimate votes is anti-democratic and wrong (Original Post) bigtree Apr 2016 OP
Two things: a caucus is not an election. berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #1
Then you would agree that superdelegates nullify legitimate votes. Vinca Apr 2016 #2
^ THIS. noamnety Apr 2016 #4
Of course not. Marr Apr 2016 #9
My county voted for Sanders by a ratio of 3:1. My representative is still a Clinton SD. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #3
those SD votes don't come into play until after everyone has voted bigtree Apr 2016 #5
I happen to agree with you on that. NWCorona Apr 2016 #6
Like superdelegates? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #7
I must have missed that time where superdelegates reversed legitmate votes bigtree Apr 2016 #11
Won't it be funny? Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #12
I agree but it works both ways.. HughLefty1 Apr 2016 #8
What happened this weekend will flip 4 delegates, not 2. It will probably be 19-16 for Bernie. reformist2 Apr 2016 #10
» bigtree Apr 2016 #13
Bernie fans never cared about the will of the people. It's win at all costs for them. DanTex Apr 2016 #14
 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
1. Two things: a caucus is not an election.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:58 AM
Apr 2016

And Clinton did her fair share of cheating during it.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
4. ^ THIS.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:02 AM
Apr 2016

The delegates who were elected yesterday have nowhere near the influence of the super delegates.

We're complaining about a legitimate pothole that needs to be fixed; I get that. But meanwhile the overpass has collapsed and people are trapped under it.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
9. Of course not.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

Like most of Hillary's vocal fans, their only principle is 'what benefits Hillary most at this moment?'.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
3. My county voted for Sanders by a ratio of 3:1. My representative is still a Clinton SD.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:00 AM
Apr 2016

His vote essentially cancels out the votes of everyone he represents. Would you agree that he has not only reversed legitimate votes, but in fact reversed all of them?

bigtree

(94,672 posts)
5. those SD votes don't come into play until after everyone has voted
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:05 AM
Apr 2016

...and historically and otherwise, those votes always go to the person with the most delegates.

So, no, I don't agree they cancel out anything, at least they haven't and don't really have a chance in hell of succeeding if they intend to.

Hell, in 2008, even Bill Clinton cast his SD vote for Obama.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
6. I happen to agree with you on that.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:10 AM
Apr 2016

But I can't help but to think you are being somewhat selective. At this point I can comfortably say that the whole system is revealing it's self as largely anti-democratic. The moves being made during this cycle shows how easily the rules can be manipulated to better suit one side.

I want to make sure that everyone gets a chance to make a "legitimate vote" and to also make sure that it's counted once it's cast.

That said, what happened in Nevada can't be blamed on Bernie and his supporters.

bigtree

(94,672 posts)
11. I must have missed that time where superdelegates reversed legitmate votes
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

...I can only remember them voting en masse for the candidate with the most delegates.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
12. Won't it be funny?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:19 AM
Apr 2016

If the same Sanders supporters who are cheering what happened in Nevada....cry at the DNC if the super delegates hand the nomination to Clinton?

Rules are rules, right?

HughLefty1

(231 posts)
8. I agree but it works both ways..
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:16 AM
Apr 2016

Now the HRC supporters got a little taste of what we have been going against this entire election cycle. It's undemocratic. This is not what the founding fathers were thinking when they set up the rules for our nation.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
10. What happened this weekend will flip 4 delegates, not 2. It will probably be 19-16 for Bernie.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

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