Remember when we all at DU demanded Mitt Romney release his taxes?

[JaneyVee]

Good times!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021193031

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021132282

#ReleaseTheReturns

What is he hiding?

[JaneyVee]

1. Take a stroll down memory lane.

[revbones]

35. #ReleaseTheTranscripts nt

[JaneyVee]

44. Dont remember asking Mitt to.

[Raster]

46. Was Mitt giving $250,000 speeches to bankers and brokers on an almost daily basis?

I don't recall that.

[Sunlei]

108. Mitt campaign spent almost a billion on state primaries, money from large 'donations' . Instead of

doing a speech for a donation, Mitt was more the $50,000 a plate-Party Man.

Private parties where 'he was "paid" to chat to diners' (that payment is called a campaign donation)

[Politicalboi]

54. WE the PEOPLE want to see them

NOW!!!!!

Who cares about Mitt. You guys don't care if Hillary is rotten, you figure it's her turn. Some Democrats you guys are.

[redstateblues]

101. The majority of WE THE PEOPLE couldn't care less

Bernie is a scammer- I have been paying Bernie's six figure salary for 24 years-What has he been doing with it?

[NanceGreggs]

104. Actually, "we the People" ...

... aren't the least bit interested. It's only the BSers, hoping to find a gotcha! remark in those transcripts who are interested.

It is now apparent that Bernie can't win the nomination on his own merits - so his fans have to cling to the hope that transcripts, emails, or an indictment will give him a shot.

Isn't that just SO sad?

[DesertFlower]

106. very sad. nt

[HERVEPA]

2. Here you go, innuendo spouting genius.

But you knew this of course too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/06/30/on-tax-returns-sanders-and-wife-report-200000-in-income-mostly-from-his-senate-post/

[JaneyVee]

4. NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!

A few pages? Only half a year? What is he hiding!

[JoFerret]

6. Yes. It's not the complete return n/t

[timmymoff]

25. Is Sanders clutching his tax records as tightly as Hillary is her transcripts?

[Human101948]

76. Hillary speeches now!

We know she actually is hiding her ass kissing of Wall Street's biggest firms.

[HERVEPA]

88. Poor thing. You don't understand what a 1040 is, do you?

No one is buying your crap.

[Logical]

93. Feel stupid yet??? Nt

[shadowandblossom]

12. Here you go.

"The Sanders, Cruz and Kasich campaigns have all distributed what they claim are tax returns; Kasich for seven years, Cruz for four, and Sanders for just one year, 2014. But those proclaimed disclosures were neither accurate nor honest. None of those candidates has released even a single tax return. What they made public instead was merely a summary known as IRS Form 1040. That form is no more a tax return than the Preamble is the Constitution."

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/4/1/1509132/-Why-Hasn-t-Bernie-Sanders-Released-His-Tax-Returns

[beam me up scottie]

32. Hillary only released her 1040's too, WHAT'S HILLARY HIDING???

[shadowandblossom]

39. Clinton released 8 full years tax returns. Sanders not even one...

No need to lie about it, anyone can check easily.

[beam me up scottie]

42. No she didn't. Stop accusing others of lying when you don't know what you're talking about:

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https://www.hillaryclinton.com/tax-returns/

WHAT IS HILLARY HIDING???

[onenote]

102. Did you even look at what you linked to? Clinton has made public her entire returns

Including not only Form 1040, but all the schedules and associated forms that must accompany a Form 1040 to be considered a full tax return.

The two page 1040 is not an entire tax return and someone who filed only those two pages with IRS and not any of the schedules (itemized deductions, interest and dividend breakdown, etc etc etc) would be in a heap of trouble.

[rickford66]

57. For most purposes, that's consodered your return.

I use it for property tax credit locally. I've used it when applying for loans.

[onenote]

103. That's because for most purposes you only are providing the 1040

as evidence of total income and taxes. But for political purposes, it is (and should be) expected that disclosures will include the accompanying schedules that itemize deductions, itemize interest and dividend income, capital gains and losses, etc etc

[DesertRat]

22. No

http://www.nationalmemo.com/why-hasnt-bernie-sanders-released-his-tax-returns/

[DesertRat]

113. This is not their tax return.

The Sanders' have only released the 2014 Form 1040. That's not a tax return it's a summary.

[sadoldgirl]

3. Was that not at the time that he became the nominee?!

[JaneyVee]

5. Everyone else released theirs months ago.

[JoFerret]

7. No. Still waiting for Drumpf, Cruz and Kasich

Clinton released hers.

[beedle]

13. Bernie will release his when everyone else does

... or does that excuse not work anymore?

But yeah, Bernie should release his tax returns, which he said he will do, although he's surprised anyone might be interested in the 200K he and his wife are claiming ... are Vermont plumbers giving him a break on their labor charges in exchange for for a sweet tariff break on imported snakes, or a cabinet post in the White House near the water heater?

[sadoldgirl]

8. Oh, I did not know that Cruz and Trump have done so.

[JaneyVee]

11. I have no idea what those boneheads are doing.

[timmymoff]

26. He will wait until everyone releases their transcripts (er tax returns)

[shadowandblossom]

18. Trump says he can't when he can while Kasich says he has while he hasn't

Clinton released 8 years worth, Jeb Bush decades. Sanders, not even one.



Basically, this is what's bothering us:

"So what’s the issue? The Sanders, Cruz and Kasich campaigns have all distributed what they claim are tax returns; Kasich for seven years, Cruz for four, and Sanders for just one year, 2014. But those proclaimed disclosures were neither accurate nor honest. None of those candidates has released even a single tax return. What they made public instead was merely a summary known as IRS Form 1040. That form is no more a tax return than the Preamble is the Constitution."

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/4/1/1509132/-Why-Hasn-t-Bernie-Sanders-Released-His-Tax-Returns

[morningfog]

9. Full returns for full transcripts.

[JaneyVee]

10. LOL.

Keep moving those goalposts!

[morningfog]

14. What goal posts. I never had a position on this.

[JaneyVee]

16. Well, ya kinda did.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021060770#post2

[morningfog]

17. I think he should and will, but he has some leverage to work with.

It's a fight, you gotta use strategy.

[snooper2]

112. yes, that is it! He is stratergizing!

LOL

[shadowandblossom]

19. How about tax returns for tax returns.

It's normal practice for candidates to show tax returns. It's time for him to hold to normal criteria of transparency.

[morningfog]

20. Yeah and Hillary said transcripts for transcripts and then moved the goal post.

So, transcript for taxes seems good.

[JaneyVee]

21. Taxes are the precedent, not transcripts.

Thats called moving the goalposts.

[timmymoff]

27. The precedent of wanting my vote

relies solely on the ability to read those transcripts.

[JaneyVee]

28. We dont want ur vote.

[timmymoff]

33. You don't want a long time democratic vote?

Could that be your candidates problem? Could that attitude be what happened in Nevada? If you really do not want my vote if she is the nominee, I can more than easily honor your position.

[COLGATE4]

47. Go for it. And then go away. nt

[timmymoff]

49. Not a very good way to build a party.

Or perhaps why the democratic party leans so hard right these days, compared to days gone by. which in fact, is the very reason a person running for president since 2006 can't put away a 74 year old socialist.

[COLGATE4]

50. Tell me that again after June 17.

[timmymoff]

52. I'm telling it to you now

I can also tell you how the Bernie supporters in my area are in a position to remove the old guard quite easily. we are giving them the option of moving left first. We are giving them our help in building a more progressive democratic party, but if they choose to go against it, we can take it over within a days notice. We own the numbers here, she lost by 5000. There is a revolution going on, and it's not only at the ballot box.

[COLGATE4]

60. We will see. I think you're overestimating your own

importance.

[Politicalboi]

65. You guys are too much

You guys overestimate your importance. You support the worst candidate EVER. And you'll see come November. Tears of defeat. AGAIN!!!!

[timmymoff]

67. If you are in my county

you would see what a mess the democrats are. we want to help them, but not if they are going to want to run candidates from the right.

[COLGATE4]

74. With friends like this...

[timmymoff]

75. that's what we have been thinking for 30 years or more

[COLGATE4]

90. Were you also pushing Nader in 2000?

[timmymoff]

92. Nope

I voted for Gore. Gore ran a shitty campaign which caused 200,000 democrats in Florida to vote for Bush. Facts are sometimes bothersome. But hey we have a real inspiring front runner now, same amount of support she had in 2008. Thank goodness Bernie was here to grow the electorate because she wouldn't have. Great negatives she carries though. Only Trump's are worse. Inspiring.

[COLGATE4]

97. Surprising.

[timmymoff]

98. What's surprising

is how a Rockefeller republican is posing as a dem. If she wins we get the option of far right or slightly right. Yay, the party of the working people.

[hobbit709]

64. JV can tell us all that then. We'll see how far her idol gets then.

[COLGATE4]

66. If you have an issue with JV please discuss it

with her. I'm not JV, don't know JV, not interested in your opinion of JV.

[hobbit709]

70. Well, excuse me. I was just agreeing with your comment about June 17.

[COLGATE4]

71. My apologies. Read too many BS posts from

Sanders acolytes, didn't read yours as supporting Hillary. Time to take a break from DU. Once again, sorry.

[Politicalboi]

62. Please do, I know I am

The Clinton's cheat and lie and then expect us to vote for her. Like this one said, they don't want your vote. They think they can do this without us.

I can't wait to see her tears of defeat.

[HERVEPA]

91. You don't want the vote if Hillary is the nominee?

[timmymoff]

99. Post. 28

A Hillary supporter stating the Clinton campaign doesn't want my long time democratic vote anymore. I think that is going to be a problem for her. Not a very smart lot, at least some of them.

[frylock]

109. Bookmarked.

[shadowandblossom]

36. Double standard for Sanders.

but higher criteria for Clinton. I think that's interesting. I see that all over the place.

[timmymoff]

38. What double standard?

please explain? Is there a double standard because he doesn't take big money? or is there a double standard because he has a consistent policy? Is there a double standard due to perception of votes? No it's just more poutrage from the Clinton camp to distract from her various shortfalls.

[MFM008]

53. thats it huh?

your only critera for voting?
You want to read some stupid transcripts?
How about we browse over Sanders medical records. In depth.
I know what sort of medical problems 75 year olds have.

[timmymoff]

56. Oh no

currently she needs to assure there wont be a hard lurch right on tpp, keystone, etc, but a release of her transcripts would alleviate the feeling she is crooked, for some. I can't speak for all. But she has the ability to earn my vote. you should be thankful many others say they won't vote for her at all. It's going to be a problem, and it's one she has earned.

[Politicalboi]

68. Probably the same ones Hillary suffers from

Like she's some spring chicken.

This is her last shot and she's going to FAIL!

[shadowandblossom]

29. If you want to compare Hillary and Sanders, the fact is shes been a lot more transparent

than he has.


(also if you are getting technical, she said for everyone.)

Ps.
I'm going to laugh my head of when this is over and Sanders goes on the speaking circuit. No one wanted to see him before, but now he can probably be a celebrity. I bet it'll be quite profitable for him. But it's going to be pretty hypocritical.

[timmymoff]

40. You hope for things to happen so your candidate looks better in the present.

Hoping for someone's action to make your candidate look better in the future is truly a sign of ignoring the present.

[shadowandblossom]

78. I just think it would be funny after everything.

He'll at least get a book deal. I'm sure sales on his old book and record have gone through the roof by now. I also fully expect people will want to see him speak and be willing to pay for it now. Therefore, I expect he'll go give a lot of speeches. (No one would've wanted to so see him much before, now they will.) I just think it's funny.

[timmymoff]

81. He set the tone.

The democratic party will thank him in the future. He is helping build a stronger party, but right now it doesn't feel that way to some. The one's who are a ok with the status quo and pragmatism as it slowly eats our middle class. I am glad. economic policy alone was to hard to differentiate from the gop , especially from her campaign and coffers.. Obama's as well.

[shadowandblossom]

83. I guess it's easier to misrepresent me and act sanctimonious than to ask Sanders to practice the

same level of transparency as he should.

[timmymoff]

84. Do you feel he is avoiding this on purpose

and what exactly would make you feel that way? There is very little Hillary Clinton can do to make me trust her. her record has caused this, but in all honesty do you think he is hiding something? Do you really feel there is a double standard, or is there a different level of trust that one candidate deals with more than the other, due to earning that distrust, mind you.

[Politicalboi]

72. You must be reading the Clinton definition of transparency

The Clinton's are not transparent on ANYTHING! The facts and Clinton's is like oil and water, they don't mix.

[shadowandblossom]

79. The Sanders are not transparent on ANYTHING! The facts and the Sanders are like oil and water, they

don't mix.



That didn't seem any more persuasive to me than this did to you.

[shadowandblossom]

23. I bet he exploits tax loopholes for rich people like himself.

Not calling him evil, just think he took advantage of an easy situation to pay a little less. That's not abnormal, but, that would be pretty hypocritical in light of his platform.

[JaneyVee]

30. Rumor has it...

He only paid 11% in taxes because he doubled down on loopholes. At least for the half year he showed in 2014.

[shadowandblossom]

34. I expect there's something

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but I would have to see a source.

[DavidDvorkin]

15. IOIYBS

It's okay if you're Bernie Sanders.

That seems to apply to just about everything, in the eyes of his adherents.

[CalvinballPro]

41. I have refered to this phenomenon as The Bernie Sanders Double Standard. Applies to any/everything.

Yours would make a much easier hashtag though.

[DavidDvorkin]

51. I guess it should be IOKIFYBS

To match the one about it being okay if you're a Republican.

[DesertRat]

24. It will be interesting to see what he's hiding

Bernie Sanders holds himself out to huge and adoring crowds as a model of personal, political and financial integrity. But when it comes to revealing his income tax returns, Sanders is as tricky a politician as Republicans Ted Cruz and John Kasich.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/why-hasnt-bernie-sanders-released-his-tax-returns/

[lastone]

31. thats because rmoney

was/is a VULTURE capitalist... you really think there is something to see here? there is not - move along and stop with this bullshit.

[COLGATE4]

48. That's very easily proven. Show the returns.

[lastone]

87. What's more pertinent the returns are the transcripts

If you were being honest you would agree it's the transcripts and he didn't say he wasn't going to release them, he said he just wasn't going to release them right now.

The false outrage Clinton supporters show over this at the same time make excuses for not releasing the transcripts is pathetic.

[COLGATE4]

89. He's avoiding releasing them. Who knows why? And

they are important. From time immemorial, Presidential candidates have been expected to release their tax returns. Not so with transcripts of speeches given to private instititutions.

[beam me up scottie]

43. Full financial disclosures going back to 1990 for people who say he's HIDING something:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/reports.php?year=2013&cid=N00000528


From Money Nation his net worth including a breakdown by year:

We estimate Bernie Sanders’ net worth at $528,014. That’s 7.8 times larger than the net worth of the median American family. However, since all senator net worths are estimates, it’s possible Bernie Sanders’ net worth is much lower. In fact, Bernie Sanders’ net worth could be as low as $222,026. That’s 3.3 times larger than the net worth of the median American family. Finally, the Bernie Sanders net worth average of $528,014 is about twice the net worth of others in his age group.

According to Center for Responsive Politics and Money Nation data:

Bernie Sanders Net Worth August 2015: $528,014
Bernie Sanders Net Worth May 2015: $440,511
Bernie Sanders Net Worth 2014: $330,408
Bernie Sanders Net Worth 2013: $330,506
Bernie Sanders Net Worth 2012: $460,506
Net Worth 2011: $308,005
Net Worth 2010: $429,004
Net Worth 2009: $105,003
Net Worth 2008: $219,504
Net Worth 2007: $345,503
Net Worth 2006: $188,504
Net Worth 2005: $128,001
Net Worth 2004: $115,501

Bernie Sanders’ net worth has fluctuated over time, from $115,501 in 2004 to $345,503 in 2007. The 2008 financial crisis may have caused a drop of 36% of Sander’s net worth in that year. Sanders’ net worth sunk as low as $105,003 in 2009 and has gone as high as $460,506 in 2012.

Our figures above show a rise of $87,503 in Bernie Sanders’ net worth between May and August of 2015. However, only part of that rise comes from an actual change in Bernie Sanders’ net worth. Most of the change comes from amendments to disclosure forms. In other words, Sanders didn’t suddenly make an extra $87,000.

http://moneynation.com/bernie-sanders-net-worth/

ZOMG WHAT IS HE HIDING????

It must be PENNIES!!!

[Cali_Democrat]

55. Those aren't tax returns. Those are financial disclosures.

Educate yourself.

[beam me up scottie]

58. No shit. Way to miss the point. This is a meme fail, find something else.

[Cali_Democrat]

59. Bernie will keep getting hammered on his tax returns until he releases multiple years.

You better get used to it.

[beam me up scottie]

61. Just like Obama was hammered on his birth certificate, yes I'm aware of what's happening.

[Cali_Democrat]

73. The people asking for tax returns are the equivalent of birthers?

[Logical]

94. Transcripts??? Nt

[frylock]

111. Yes.

You will get your long-form tax returns.

[zappaman]

95. swing and a miss!

[beam me up scottie]

96. ...

[frylock]

110. You better get used to it.

That's what I'm saying to everyone who is foaming at the mouth for these returns, because once they're released, you are going to be reminded of that all day every day.

[Lucinda]

45. Funny how that changes, isn't it?

[bigwillq]

63. The two threads linked aren't "all at DU"

But I do support full disclosure of tax returns and speech transcripts from all candidates.

[ZombieHorde]

69. Yes, I do. nt

[silvershadow]

77. Remember when DU demanded Hillary release the transcripts from her Wall St speeches?

Good times!

[Dem2]

80. I don't care about his taxes, I don't care about her transcripts.

It doesn't effect their policy choices and is just 'gotcha' politics, I'm not into it.

[Jarqui]

82. Here's his financial disclosures from 2003-2015

https://www.legistorm.com/memberdisclosure/460/Sen_Bernie_Sanders.html

Hillary's years from 2009 or so on that site are not there.

In her last year as Secretary of State, it looks like she made more money than Bernie has in his lifetime.

[Xyzse]

85. Yes, I remember.

It was also about his past year taxes, not the current year. They were looking for specific items where he could have hidden assets to a foreign country.

Current year taxes can be done up to October if you file an extension.

Which taxes are being asked to be released for Bernie?
I can understand asking the release of 2014 and earlier, but asking for 2015 can be a little early.

[Gothmog]

86. Romney's failure to release all of this tax returns hurt Romney

We can not afford to have a nominee who will give Trump an excuse not to release his tax returns

[Bonobo]

100. Remember when DU had the brains to know the difference between $170,000 and $20 million dollars? nt

[onenote]

105. I don't care who the candidate is or what party: full disclosure of tax returns

including not just the 1040 but any other schedules and forms that the candidate was required to, and did file with his/her return should be disclosed.

There is no excuse for not doing so by any candidate imo.

[grasswire]

107. stop the swift boating.

This is ridiculous and it makes Hillary supporters look really stupid. NOBODY believes that Bernie is hiding anything.