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phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:51 PM Apr 2016

Congress critters and Senators have to release thorough financial disclosures EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR.

The Ethics in Government Act of 1978 is a United States federal law that was passed in the wake of the Nixon Watergate scandal and the Saturday Night Massacre. It created mandatory, public disclosure of financial and employment history of public officials and their immediate family. It also created restrictions on lobbying efforts by public officials for a set period after leaving public office. Last, it created the U.S. Office of Independent Counsel, tasked with investigating government officials.


The most basic criticism of the Ethics in Government Act has been that it repels good people because of its excessive levels of disclosure.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_in_Government_Act


This is why I always thought concern over Kerry and McCain's taxes was idiotic. The same goes for Bernie. Anyone that has spent decades as a public official subject to this law has been releasing relevant financial information since this law was passed. This is just one of the many reasons the "criticism" aimed at Bernie Sander's over his tax returns is disingenuous nonsense.

Romney, of course, wasn't subject to these disclosures and thats why his tax returns were important. Otherwise, I would defend him on it as well.

Of course, when Sanders does ultimately put the information out there and there is nothing interesting to see, I'm sure the people running their mouths about it today will give a full throated apology right?
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Congress critters and Senators have to release thorough financial disclosures EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR. (Original Post) phleshdef Apr 2016 OP
Clinton and Obama both disclosed their taxes while running for President, as sitting Senators. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #1
You really shouldn't bring up "wagging fingers" while attempting to defend... phleshdef Apr 2016 #2
You've seen plenty of Hillary' speeches. Why do you need to see the transcripts of others? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #4
Please go find one single post where I've said anything about her transcripts. phleshdef Apr 2016 #5
Obama and Clinton didn't make that kind of excuse in 2008. Why should Sanders be held to a lower geek tragedy Apr 2016 #6
When has Sanders said he will not release his returns? phleshdef Apr 2016 #7
Don't confuse him with facts, he's rolling. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #11
His actions have spoken way louder than any words said or unsaid, his FULL taxes are not out there.. uponit7771 Apr 2016 #85
Seriously? passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #9
So Sanders is offering excuses instead of transparency, while demanding geek tragedy Apr 2016 #10
What excuses? passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #12
lol, "I've been busy, my wife did them." geek tragedy Apr 2016 #13
To be correct, passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #17
they had time to track down the first page of the return geek tragedy Apr 2016 #20
Still going for that red dot. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #22
And apparently the clintons are refiling taxes for mistakes passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #87
Reddit is not a news source. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #88
The Panama Papers news is all over the place. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #90
that article is a year old nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #91
That's not the point passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #92
You are offering nothing but evasion from legitimate questions that challenges your grievances. phleshdef Apr 2016 #14
he doesn't get credit for disclosure until he discloses, that's how transparency works geek tragedy Apr 2016 #15
That should be a really interesting Schedule A. okasha Apr 2016 #16
My thoughts as well DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #86
Clever little ploy of Hillary's, that passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #19
lol, he said he would do it when he sees fit, isn't that good enough? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #21
Keep chasing passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #23
this is what is called "vetting" in the political process. This is the very early stage geek tragedy Apr 2016 #24
Oh please, its not about vetting. Its about finding a way to make the other candidate look bad. phleshdef Apr 2016 #28
it's the hypocrisy. if he hadn't been wagging his finger about Clinton's speech transcripts geek tragedy Apr 2016 #30
"Wagging his finger" phleshdef Apr 2016 #33
You see nothing hypocritical about: geek tragedy Apr 2016 #35
No because #2 is an utter lie. He will give you the damn tax returns. phleshdef Apr 2016 #37
is that your standard for holding politicians accountable geek tragedy Apr 2016 #40
I have no reason to believe that he won't. And neither do you. phleshdef Apr 2016 #42
No he isn't hiding anything and you know that. phleshdef Apr 2016 #25
until he shows it, he's hiding it. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #29
No he isn't. Thats utter bullshit. phleshdef Apr 2016 #34
why did he disclose only the 1040 instead of the schedules showing his deductions? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #36
Its good enough for me. Good enough for most people really. phleshdef Apr 2016 #38
Please read this article about Rubio and Cruz's tax disclosures. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #39
Means nothing. phleshdef Apr 2016 #41
so those criticisms of Cruz and Rubio were egregiously unfair? nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #43
I think everything should ultimately be disclosed. phleshdef Apr 2016 #53
The birthers demanded that Obama show his "long form" BC, but when he did, they tblue37 Apr 2016 #44
I almost made that same comment myself, but perhaps its a bit over the top in comparison. phleshdef Apr 2016 #51
He's dragging his feet, at best nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #84
You realize that when he releases these things, it's going to seem awfully wormy when Marr Apr 2016 #68
I want to see the transcripts of the speeches that Hillary made to Wall Street and to JDPriestly Apr 2016 #32
Transparency? pugetres Apr 2016 #52
Disclosed. Bernie hasn't disclosed anything. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #83
From the creators of the Birther movement, comes the equally stupid Marr Apr 2016 #72
And if there was anything fishy Brock would have found it in his disclosures. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #3
Glad to see Aerows Apr 2016 #8
Financial disclosures are not tax returns. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #18
And tax returns are not financial disclosures? Financial disclosures show a lot more about income... phleshdef Apr 2016 #26
More facts, stop harshing the meme! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #27
Sure they do-but they are NOT tax returns. riversedge Apr 2016 #45
Yes, no one said they were tax returns. Now that we've burned that strawman... phleshdef Apr 2016 #46
Then no need for a long OP on financial disclosures. riversedge Apr 2016 #56
Three short paragraphs and two short excerpts equate to a long OP? phleshdef Apr 2016 #58
No they are in a panic and will move on to the next shiny object. Autumn Apr 2016 #31
But they are not tax returns 4now Apr 2016 #47
But they still tell us all about their net worth, their assets and their liabilities. phleshdef Apr 2016 #50
I just wonder what he is trying to hide 4now Apr 2016 #57
Nothing and he isn't. phleshdef Apr 2016 #59
If he wasn't trying to hide something then he would release his tax returns. 4now Apr 2016 #60
Um, he said he is going to soon. phleshdef Apr 2016 #61
Please. Don't hold your breath. 4now Apr 2016 #64
I won't. No need to. phleshdef Apr 2016 #65
That's genuinely pathetic. Kentonio Apr 2016 #63
He or she knows that. Thats why I didn't even bother correcting them. phleshdef Apr 2016 #67
I only bother on the grounds that if this stuff is left unchallenged Kentonio Apr 2016 #70
Yea, thats cool. I do that sometimes, but I get tired of the horse shit other times. phleshdef Apr 2016 #71
I think my limit will be reached with the next damn tax thread they vomit over the forum. Kentonio Apr 2016 #74
What is wrong with you? Why would you say he's blaming Jane? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #75
Maybe he will do the right thing and release his tax returns 4now Apr 2016 #76
That answers that question, it's bottomless. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #77
People won't give up on this story until he comes clean and releases his hidden tax returns. 4now Apr 2016 #78
#releasethegroceryreceipts beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #79
Why do you think that he wont release his hidden tax returns 4now Apr 2016 #80
You said he mishandles money but you won't say why you came to that conclusion. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #81
Keep dancing around the question - why wont he release his hidden tax returns 4now Apr 2016 #82
And still droves of DUers Aerows Apr 2016 #48
I just want to say that I am thrilled at the amount of Belushi in this thread! aidbo Apr 2016 #49
#ReleaseTheReturns . Apologize for What? riversedge Apr 2016 #54
#CutThePhonyBullshit phleshdef Apr 2016 #55
If it was not real I would. riversedge Apr 2016 #62
Well the phony bullshit is real. phleshdef Apr 2016 #69
They'll move on to some other bullshit smear without acknowledging it, because Marr Apr 2016 #66
Yup. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #73
My guess is that it's a pre-emptive strike in advance of a release of the Panama winter is coming Apr 2016 #94
There's a different standard at the Presidential level. Summary forms don't cut it, and full returns CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #89
Good. So bore us. After all, you want to tax us - we need to know your deeds on the subject robbedvoter Apr 2016 #93
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. Clinton and Obama both disclosed their taxes while running for President, as sitting Senators.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:02 PM
Apr 2016

It's the hypocrisy--wags his finger at Clinton over transcripts, but doesn't meet the minimum transparency measures expected of candidates himself.

Sanctimony and hypocrisy are two sides of the same coin.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
2. You really shouldn't bring up "wagging fingers" while attempting to defend...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:05 PM
Apr 2016

...a Clinton supporter talking point. Thats about as low hanging fruit as it gets if I wanted to turn your remarks right back in your face... however I don't think theres any reason to go for such an easy cheap shot right this moment.

But as I asked another poster in another thread...

Have you even bothered to look at Bernie's financial disclosures? What question do you want answered that you can't get from those disclosures? Do you even have an actual, valid argument to make regarding what you want to see in Bernie's tax returns that you aren't seeing in his decades of public financial disclosures? I'm trying to understand if you and others are complaining about this because you THINK there is merit to it or because its just something to complain about.

I expect you'll be able to answer those questions with answers that make sense right?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. You've seen plenty of Hillary' speeches. Why do you need to see the transcripts of others?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:12 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie likes to talk the talk, but not walk the walk.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
5. Please go find one single post where I've said anything about her transcripts.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:13 PM
Apr 2016

And you failed to answer any of my questions. Please don't be cowardly. The questions weren't hard ones to answer. Trying to make this about her speech transcripts is just evasion.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. Obama and Clinton didn't make that kind of excuse in 2008. Why should Sanders be held to a lower
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:18 PM
Apr 2016

standard?

Sanders has made a great big sanctimonious show of his asking for Clinton of those transcripts, while not providing anywhere near the same level of personal financial disclosure that Clinton has.

That makes him a giant hypocrite.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
7. When has Sanders said he will not release his returns?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:33 PM
Apr 2016

I'm pretty sure he said that he would release them, he just hasn't done it yet. That in and of itself makes your claims of hypocrisy a total failure of an argument. Now please, will you answer my questions? Were my questions too inconvenient for you to bother with? It's awfully hard to take you seriously when you duck behind other topics in order to hide from very legitimate questions that I have asked.

uponit7771

(90,296 posts)
85. His actions have spoken way louder than any words said or unsaid, his FULL taxes are not out there..
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:26 AM
Apr 2016

... for everyone to see

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
9. Seriously?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:39 PM
Apr 2016

public speeches are not the same as private speeches. Romney proved that one the hard way with his 47% remark.

All Hillary's public speeches are available. It's the private ones to the big banks that are interesting because of conflict of interest.

But then you knew that. You guys are scared she might actually have to expose herself and post them, and there will be things on there that don't look good.

So sad...too bad.

And don't worry, be happy...Bernie will get his tax filings posted when he has time. He probably hasn't even been home in weeks. These events run seven days a week in multiiple states. Do you really expect him to stop campaigning to run home and do this for you?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. So Sanders is offering excuses instead of transparency, while demanding
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:42 PM
Apr 2016

unprecedented levels of transparency from his opponent.

Just another business as usual politician.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
12. What excuses?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:46 PM
Apr 2016

He said he's been busy. That's not an excuse, that's a reality. He's campaigning away from home and is not going to run home to fix this for you right this minute.

Someone is looking for a reason to be angry, or they are very very impatient. Like a child who can't be reasoned with.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
17. To be correct,
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:10 PM
Apr 2016

It's we've been busy...his wife is with him, helping with his campaign. And she always does their taxes. So just how childish can you get? Potty humor?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
20. they had time to track down the first page of the return
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:20 PM
Apr 2016

but not the rest?

The numbers on that return look off, deductions are very, very high.

The person who prepared his taxes doesn't have a very good record in making accurate financial disclosures.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
87. And apparently the clintons are refiling taxes for mistakes
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:08 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe they should not "rush" to get them out, but instead make sure they are accurate.

Are any of the names in the Panama Papers linked with the Clinton Foundation? They are refiling their taxes for not reporting Foreign Donations accurately for at least three years. (self.PanamaPapers)

submitted 13 hours ago * by anthroengineer
Edit: So far we have four names: Bidzina Ivanishvill, Prince Salman, Sultan Al-Nahyan, Petro Poroshenko


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027737406

I can always find my last tax filing fairly quickly. Going back further is a bit harder, but I'm not the greatest filer.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
90. The Panama Papers news is all over the place.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:18 PM
Apr 2016

But if you want something more legit, here is the source on the Clintons refiling for errors.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-taxes-exclusive-idUSKBN0NE0CA20150423

Oh, and that came from the reddit link. Quite often you can get good news from reddit.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
92. That's not the point
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:29 PM
Apr 2016
Hillary Clinton's family's charities are refiling at least five annual tax returns after a Reuters review found errors in how they reported donations from governments, and said they may audit other Clinton Foundation returns in case of other errors.


the point is, it's better to make sure you filed correctly before making your tax filings public.

But I apologize, I interrupted your chasing the red dot. You can go play now. Brock and Hillary are waiting.
 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
14. You are offering nothing but evasion from legitimate questions that challenges your grievances.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:49 PM
Apr 2016

As I said, he confirmed the returns will be released. I guess he should write you a personal apology for not doing it on your time table.

Such illusions of self importance are sad really...

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. he doesn't get credit for disclosure until he discloses, that's how transparency works
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:52 PM
Apr 2016

He should drop the sanctimony over Clinton's speeches while making excuses for his own lack of transparency.

He doesn't have to do it because I demand it, no.

But, I and plenty of others will be pointing out the hypocrisy and speculating about why he didn't disclose this from the get-go and lead by example.

Is he hiding something? He took a massive number of deductions in 2014--around 27% of his income.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
19. Clever little ploy of Hillary's, that
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:19 PM
Apr 2016

Cause she knew you guys would go for this no matter what.

He should drop the sanctimony over Clinton's speeches while making excuses for his own lack of transparency.


There is NO comparison. He said he will post them (when they have time) and he will when he gets home from campaigning long enough to do it. And she said she refuses to release her speeches (unless some impossible conditions are met by all republican candidates who could care less if she reveals them or not). So basically she said NO SHIT SHIRLOCK!

But you guys are chasing the red dot she is flashing around for you...I bet she enjoys the game.

So Sanders will be completely transparent, if the kitties chasing the laser dot can just hold their bladders, but she will never show her speeches. No transparency on her side, but that's what we have learned to expect from her.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
24. this is what is called "vetting" in the political process. This is the very early stage
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016

of the vetting process for a candidate.

a candidate who has not even released a full tax return has not been close to vetted

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
28. Oh please, its not about vetting. Its about finding a way to make the other candidate look bad.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:56 PM
Apr 2016

Thats all you care about and you know it.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
30. it's the hypocrisy. if he hadn't been wagging his finger about Clinton's speech transcripts
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:00 AM
Apr 2016

for months and months and months, using the same script, I probably would still not care.

But when a candidate fancies himself the High Priest of Transparency, he best follow the creed he demands others follow.

Or, at the very least, meet the standard met by the person he's sanctimoniously scolding.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
33. "Wagging his finger"
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

There you go again. I'm surprised Hillary's finger hasn't fell off as much as she whags that thing around.

Seriously, I don't have a lot against Clinton, I even defended her a few nights ago, in this forum, regarding fossil fuel donations. But you really should STFU about finger wagging when you are backing someone that would have the world heavyweight title for it if there was such a thing.

And there is no hypocrisy, he said he'd release them. Your claims of hypocrisy are an utter lie and you are only disgracing yourself.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
35. You see nothing hypocritical about:
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:13 AM
Apr 2016

1) demanding unprecedented levels of disclosure from his opponent and criticizing her for a supposed lack of transparency; and

2) falling woefully short of the level of disclosure that the opponent had provided?

You see nothing wrong with the less transparent candidate attacking the other on the issue of transparency?

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
42. I have no reason to believe that he won't. And neither do you.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:30 AM
Apr 2016

So basically yea... though I'm more likely to say "he will do it, chill the fuck out".

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
25. No he isn't hiding anything and you know that.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:54 PM
Apr 2016

He'll release the returns soon and you'll conveniently forget you ever pretended to care.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
36. why did he disclose only the 1040 instead of the schedules showing his deductions?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:15 AM
Apr 2016

Did the family dog eat the Schedule A?

"he said he will disclose it" is not good enough.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
38. Its good enough for me. Good enough for most people really.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:16 AM
Apr 2016

Its not good enough for you because you are choosing to be petty.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
39. Please read this article about Rubio and Cruz's tax disclosures.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:25 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/marco-rubio-tax-returns-219905

Republican presidential candidates Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz have repeatedly demanded that front-runner Donald Trump release his tax returns, but both stopped well short of fully disclosing their own returns.

Each on Saturday released brief summaries of their recent returns that described their income and tax bills in broad terms, but both provided few details on things like which deductions they claimed and why, or how much they gave to charity.

That may undermine their repeated demands that Trump provide his returns, something he’s refused to do because he says he’s being audited.

Rubio, who’s long been dogged by questions over his personal finances, provided the first two pages of each of his last five tax returns. They show he paid a 23.5 percent tax rate on $335,561 in income in 2014. His income has varied widely over the past five years, from as little as $183,826 in 2010 to $929,439 in 2012.

Cruz followed several hours later, also by releasing only the first two pages of his tax returns from the past four years. They show he paid $442,701 in taxes on $1.2 million in adjusted gross income in 2014.

The twin releases are aimed at upping the pressure on Trump to produce his own returns. Eager to slow his momentum before Super Tuesday, they’ve argued that Republicans have a right to know of any problems with Trump’s taxes before the party settles on a nominee. That could potentially embarrass Trump by showing he paid an unusually low tax rate or used aggressive tax-avoidance strategies or perhaps isn’t as wealthy as he boasts.

But Rubio and Cruz undercut their own promises of transparency by releasing only partial returns, said Joe Thorndike, a tax historian.

“Until they release full returns, this exercise is more about politics than real transparency,” he said. “I wish both Rubio and Cruz would take a page from their hero, Ronald Reagan, who released a full return when running in 1980. It was only a single year, but one complete return is more valuable than a dozen partial ones.”

Asked why Rubio is not releasing his entire returns, campaign spokesman Alex Conant said, “We're not ruling anything out. What we released today is consistent with what he released during his Senate campaign — and way more than any of the other top GOP candidates have released.”


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/marco-rubio-tax-returns-219905
 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
53. I think everything should ultimately be disclosed.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:26 AM
Apr 2016

And I believe wholeheartedly, for Bernie, everything will be.

I don't believe the "clock is running out" right this minute or anything like that. and thats where we are really differing. Cruz should release everything as well. Rubio didn't make it far enough for it to matter, so thats over with.

Honestly, I think I'm pretty damn fair and level headed about this shit.

tblue37

(65,140 posts)
44. The birthers demanded that Obama show his "long form" BC, but when he did, they
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:50 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:41 AM - Edit history (1)

insisted it was fake and also demanded to see his transcripts. No matter what Bernie shows, they will move the goal posts and demand more.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
51. I almost made that same comment myself, but perhaps its a bit over the top in comparison.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:21 AM
Apr 2016

At least right now I think it is, if they keep it up, I might change my mind, lol.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
68. You realize that when he releases these things, it's going to seem awfully wormy when
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:58 AM
Apr 2016

you continue defending Hillary's refusal to release those transcripts.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
32. I want to see the transcripts of the speeches that Hillary made to Wall Street and to
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

business organizations.

 

pugetres

(507 posts)
52. Transparency?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:24 AM
Apr 2016
In 1992, during Bill Clinton's first run for office, the Clintons declined to release all of their tax returns because, it turned out, a few of the returns showed Hillary Clinton's incredible success in commodities trading when Bill Clinton was attorney general and then governor of Arkansas.

She made almost $100,000 from an initial investment of $1,000 in a matter of months — a return of 10,000% — under the guidance of a lawyer who was also outside counsel to Tyson Foods Inc., Arkansas' largest employer. The returns weren't made public until 1994.
- http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/clintons-absymal-record-on-open-government-b99696012z1-374014501.html?platform=hootsuite
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
72. From the creators of the Birther movement, comes the equally stupid
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:02 AM
Apr 2016

'tax return' demands. And just like the birth certificate nonsense, I expect these new demands will prove similarly malleable.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
3. And if there was anything fishy Brock would have found it in his disclosures.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:09 PM
Apr 2016

It's a witch hunt, even after he released them they would continue to say he and Jane have money in overseas accounts.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
8. Glad to see
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:36 PM
Apr 2016

that we are on the same side for once.

I believe that we should have a transcripts for taxes challenge.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
26. And tax returns are not financial disclosures? Financial disclosures show a lot more about income...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:55 PM
Apr 2016

...sources as well.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
58. Three short paragraphs and two short excerpts equate to a long OP?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:37 AM
Apr 2016

Thats a mighty short attention span if you really think that?

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
50. But they still tell us all about their net worth, their assets and their liabilities.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:18 AM
Apr 2016

Aside from that, Bernie is going to release his tax returns anyway and it will be a moot point.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
63. That's genuinely pathetic.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:45 AM
Apr 2016

It's not 'blaming his wife' to tell the press that his wife does his returns, its an explanation of why he couldn't for instance just ring his accountant and have them mailed over.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
70. I only bother on the grounds that if this stuff is left unchallenged
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:59 AM
Apr 2016

There's a chance an infrequent poster could see it and actually think it was true.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
71. Yea, thats cool. I do that sometimes, but I get tired of the horse shit other times.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:01 AM
Apr 2016

Set the facts straight though, as much as you have the patience for. We all need to do our part.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
75. What is wrong with you? Why would you say he's blaming Jane?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:18 AM
Apr 2016

Is this a preview of Monday's meme?

How low will you go?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
81. You said he mishandles money but you won't say why you came to that conclusion.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:45 AM
Apr 2016

What kind of person automatically assumes Bernie can't be trusted with money? That is odd.

Don't bother responding, I've seen enough.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
48. And still droves of DUers
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:55 AM
Apr 2016

attempt to tell us we are stupid, like they did with the "Hillary doesn't take money from the fossil fuel associates."

Want to pee on my leg and tell me that it is raining?

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
69. Well the phony bullshit is real.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:58 AM
Apr 2016

I mean, its bullshit and its totally based on phony, disingenuous concern.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
66. They'll move on to some other bullshit smear without acknowledging it, because
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:55 AM
Apr 2016

they literally *do not care* about anything beyond stirring shit for the Queen.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
94. My guess is that it's a pre-emptive strike in advance of a release of the Panama
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:55 PM
Apr 2016

papers that will make HRC look bad.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
89. There's a different standard at the Presidential level. Summary forms don't cut it, and full returns
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:16 PM
Apr 2016

are the standard. I.E. not what Bernie has produced so far.

Call my cynical, but I have trouble accepting Bernie's "My wife ate our tax returns" defense for why they haven't been released already. I was born, but not yesterday.

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
93. Good. So bore us. After all, you want to tax us - we need to know your deeds on the subject
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:43 PM
Apr 2016

Not just words. Just as much as I want Trump's as well. And BTW, I have a pretty good idea why both are reluctant - basically their base would be in shock at the discrepancy from the words.

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