I support Sanders, but anybody who claims that Clinton is as bad as a republican

[tabasco]

is woefully ignorant.

[FlatBaroque]

1. I am not a fan of passive aggressive ways of insulting people. There is more honor

in directly calling people ignorant. Doesn't make it true, but it shows a little more heft in the nutsack, metaphorically speaking..

[tabasco]

2. I try to be as efficient as possible.

Thanks for your input.

[FlatBaroque]

4. Number 328

[tabasco]

39. Not into code-speak, but right back at ya!

[BernieforPres2016]

91. Flat Baroque is saying you're yet another Hillary supporter pretending to be a Bernie supporter

and posting a loyalty oath thread so you're now on Ignore.

[tabasco]

94. Thank you.

LMAO.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

126. hillary is a dino at best - and then only on social issues

hillary is a republican - always has been - it is shameful that democrats have let her ilk tarnish the good party

[hobbit709]

3. That's like saying smallpox is not as bad as the plague.

If you're the one afflicted it makes little difference to you.

[tabasco]

6. Health care, women's rights, Iran treaty ....

Everyone would be affected if a republican becomes president.

[pinebox]

8. Health care? People would still die under Clinton's plan

Death doesn't pick presidential candidates. Keep in mind the ACA was a REPUBLICAN plan originally. Also,don't forget "Romneycare".

[tabasco]

16. Pullleeeze.

The ACA has been a blessing to millions of Americans, especially poor Americans now covered by expanded Medicare, and persons with existing conditions. Repealing the ACA would be a crime against the American people. Please stop parroting ridiculous talking points.

Single payer is what we need and the ACA is a step in the right direction.

[pinebox]

24. Am I correct? Why yes I am.

ACA saved my life but we need to be honest here, under Hillary people would still die from lack of access to health care. Right or wrong?

The ACA is a mess anyhow. Ask United Health Care and those who are suffering. Yes we need single payer but under a Republican or under Hillary, people are screwed. Sideways or bent over, pick your poison.

[tabasco]

35. Would Clinton repeal the ACA?

Which would result in more people dying from lack of health care? I believe that was my point. Clinton would not repeal the ACA; a republican would. If you want to start a separate thread discussing the pros and cons of the ACA, go right ahead. I support Sanders and single payer but I'm not foolish enough to believe Clinton is the equivalent of republicans who want to dismantle everything.

[pinebox]

40. My point is death = death

In the end, that is the absolute. Death. That is the root. Be it Hillary or Republicans.
That is my point, the common ends.

[tabasco]

44. Well, nobody will argue with you about that.

Everybody is going to die. LOL.

But.... this is DU so somebody is probably going to argue about it.

[pinebox]

48. lol true

and with that I am off to see my ACA doctor lol See ya

[Andy823]

93. And people will die if Bernie becomes president

There is no way he can get medicare for all in his first 4 years. People will die. People will still be paying for their college education, it won't happen in the first 4 years. Higher taxes on the rich won't happen in the first 4 years. None of the things he wants to do will happen in his first 4 years. He will be lucky to get some of these things done if he were elected for a second term. The problem would be many people would be pissed off that nothing happened in the first 4 years, so many would not vote for him to serve a second term. So be it Bernie or republicans things aren't going to happen either.

[pinebox]

100. It's sad that you and your ilk won't even fight. Tuck tail and run

Screw the people and wave the white flag! #NOWECAN'T!
See it isn't Bernie, it's people like YOU and those who represent YOU that refuse to fight and take a stand for what's right for American's. That is the problem. You and your reps but up roadblocks which does nothing but enable the current corrupt system.

It is what it is. Same shit different election cycle. Why do you think people are so disenfranchised and both parties are bleeding people?

[Kip Humphrey]

104. ^^^TRUTH^^^

[brush]

109. Not voting for his policies will happen in the mid-terms in 2018. It won't wait until 2020

Just as the impatient dems who didn't get everything they wanted immediately and therefore abandoned Obama in 2010 by not voting and let the repugs take over the Senate and House, this current crop of clamoring Berniebots/independents will jump ship as soon as Sanders doesn't immediately do everything promised at the huge rallies, in other words, do the impossible.

Ya think Obama had obstructionism?

We ain't seen nothing yet if ya thing the repugs are going to let Sanders get in there and institute free college and single payer health care for all — even though I personally would love it.

It won't happen so we'll see 2010 again and the party will be really screwed because people thought all that free stuff would just happen once Bernie got in.

[pinebox]

124. Sorry but I disagree

Here's the deal;

It's been the same shit for decades. Why do you think it took 70 plus years to pass health care? You know why? Passive obstructionist Dems and Republicans who are in league together and are bought off by special interest.

You can say whatever it is you want but you forget one huge thing; Republicans HATE Hillary and most of America despises her. This is a flat out fact. Ask yourself how come Republicans are voting for him and helped to elect him.

Until Dems get a damn backbone and stop the DINO shenanigans, the crap will continue and we still won't be #1 in a damn thing other than policies that hurt the American people.

This is why I don't support Hillary. I don't want the candidate of "No we can't", I want the guy who takes a damn stand and fights for me and everybody else. Will Bernie get everything passed? OF course not because everything is a negotiation. If Hillary's high point is $12/hr minimum wage, she will likely get $8.95. Bernie? $11.50. Ask any minimum wage worker which they'd rather have. Hillary's numbers sound good but in reality it isn't even a 50% chance she's giving, maybe 20% tops.

It's time we have someone who stands up for us and isn't for "The Corporation".

[brush]

131. You're here from Germany, right?

How are you so sure that so many people flat out hate Clinton?

News Flash — she has millions of more votes than Sanders and a huge delegate lead.

How the hell does that happened if she's so hated?

Now those are the facts.

Extol your favorite candidate instead of spouting repug talking points and doing their dirty work for them to tear down another dem.

You're on a site founded to help get dems elected. Your statements of hatred towards one of our top candidates is venturing very close to TOS violations.

[pinebox]

132. No I'm here in the states

I am hitched to a German and lived there over a decade.

News flash- Hillary is seen as the most dishonest politician https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/24/hillary-clintons-trust-problem-continues-to-dog-her/

She is hated. Period. Why is this so hard to understand and why is it shrugged off among her supporters?



Sorry but that isn't a Republican talking point and I find it hilarious that you and your ilk see anything calling Hillary's integrity into question as such. "RW lies!" Sorry but nope, calling out real issues and Hillary's positions isn't RW lies.

I'm close to a TOS violation? Wut lol? Sure, go ahead and alert on my post if you feel that way and keep your fear mongering to yourself.

Blocked.

[brush]

133. I don't alert on people. But do you actually think you're helping the dem party . . .

by all out trashing one of our candidates.

That's helping repugs, especially if Clinton gets the nomination, which she probably will.

You're making it easier for repugs to win.

Why not stick to positive posts on Bernie that pulls votes to your side instead of pushing them away?

There have been many posters here that have stated they switched to Clinton after the unprecedentedly nasty attacks on her.

Let the voters decide without the nastiness. After all, Bernie himself promised not to go negative, which he knows helps the opposition (repugs).

[brush]

108. Didn't you just say in two posts up that the ACA saved your life?

What are you complaining about? Clinton is not going to get rid of it, the repugs will.

According to your earlier post, if not for the ACA you wouldn't be here now to be complaining about it.

What's up with that? Talk about being non-appreciative.

[pinebox]

125. Indeed I did

What am I complaining about?

Simple. People who DYING because of rules & laws set forth by the ACA.

It isn't about being non-appreciative, it's having lived under a true universal health care system in Germany and knowing that it's incredibly vastly superior. It isn't even close.

The ACA is collapsing and many insurers are pulling out. Nobody wants to admit that but it's the truth.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/11/19/unitedhealth-group-earnings-downgrade-obamacare-affordable-care-act/76040322/

[brush]

130. Of course it's not like national healthcare in other western countries

No one said it was, but it has insured millions of under-advantaged people who never had it before.

Most people, especially here on DU, know it is not perfect and needs improvement, and possibly upgraded towards single-payer, but we also know what obstructions there were to just getting it passed, not to mention what is in the way of improving it.

In other words, we are not looking at it from a western Europe perspective where national healthcare is taken for granted. We're looking at it from what's really on the ground. Nothing was there before. Now something is there to build on.

It has to be protected from destruction by repugs.

It has to be improved to add better coverage for more people.

It has to be moved along towards single payer.

I just don't get the complaints, especially from someone whose life was saved by it.

Advocate for improving it instead running it down.

[Turin_C3PO]

99. The ACA has helped me a lot.

I am a cystic fibrosis patient who was unable to even get covered (pre-conditions clauses) and when I managed to work at a place that had group insurance, my medication and doctors copays were off the charts.With expanded Medicaid, I and millions like me, are much better off.

I agree that it's a terrible shame on our country that there are still so many who either have no insurance or can't afford the co-pays. Also, I recognize we have a long way to go and I think a good solution would be expanding Medicaid to millions more. But at least so many more people are being covered now and dying less than they were a few years back.

[pinebox]

101. We can go for 50% or we can go for 100%

Why settle for mediocrity when perfectionism is attainable?

[Turin_C3PO]

103. I agree with that.

I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter and I truly believe in single-payer healthcare. You're right, we're the richest country in the world, it's damn attainable. I just meant to say that ACA wasn't all bad and I don't think we can afford to risk a Republican nominee that may gut healthcare beyond all recognition (not saying you said that).

[Armstead]

21. Iran treaty? She has not exactly been supportive

healthcare.....she calls real universal coverage a pony

[cantbeserious]

5. HRC Is Owned By The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - Make No Mistake About Her Loyalties

eom

[uponit7771]

7. Sanders is more owned by the gun industry, pic your poison

[pinebox]

9. Please Hillary pandered for the NRA vote and flip flopped in her posistion

[tabasco]

11. That's nice.

You think she's as bad overall as Ted Cruz or Donald Trump?

If so, please explain.

[pinebox]

19. I already did, twice

[tabasco]

37. No, you didn't

but thanks for playing.

[pinebox]

45. yes I did, click the yellow "My Posts" to see it XD

[tabasco]

82. You need to convince Bernie Sanders first.

"Yes, we do agree on a number of issues, and by the way, on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and President than the Republican candidate on his best day."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sanders-clinton-on-her-worst-day-still-infinitely-better-than-any-goper/ar-CC6IFi

[uponit7771]

12. Good, Hillary on right side of gun control Sanders not... again, pick your poison and Sanders can't

... throw stones.

[pinebox]

20. Um did you actually READ what I posted? She's a weathervane.

Sanders can throw stones, he has been rock solid where he stands. He doesn't have "flip a pancake day".

[uponit7771]

22. So is he, again... Sanders can't throw stones no matter what the podium bird says

[pinebox]

26. Sanders is a weathervane? lol?

[uponit7771]

29. Yeap, switched positions or doesn't want people to know about the positions he holds....

... especially on raising middle class taxes.

Sanders supporters believe that ANY human can throw a stone, that's bird on podium kind of thinking

[pinebox]

32. You keep believing that lol Meanwhile

on every single major issue....

v

[uponit7771]

36. Guns and taxes are " major issues.." again, Sanders can NOT.. NOT throw stones

[pinebox]

46. Hillary flip flopped on guns and taxes are spin

Taxes? Why is it the Clinton supporter camp always loves to spin this point and sound like Paul Ryan?
Reality? Yes higher taxes but single payer would more than save that with a giant offset. In fact, most would get money back and have a windfall

[uponit7771]

50. So what, in the end she got it right... Sanders has NOT 'flip flopped' on guns and has it wrong...

... I value people being correct or right than being consistent.

[pinebox]

76. I value integrity not those who change opinions for political convenience

Panderers are going to pander

[Tanuki]

51. Sanders' former political party, Liberty Union, certainly regards him as a weathervane and worse.

http://www.libertyunionparty.org/?page_id=363

"In late April I was among the 25 Vermonters who occupied Congressman
Bernie Sanders’ Burlington office to protest his support of the NATO
bombing of Yugoslavia and the ongoing war against Iraq. Calling ourselves
the “Instant Antiwar Action Group,” we decided to bring our outrage at
Bernie’s escalating hypocrisy directly to his office, an action that resulted
in 15 of us being arrested for trespass.

Many of us worked on Bernie’s campaigns through
1980’s, the years he was–as the local press repeatedly put it–
the “avowed socialist” Mayor of Burlington, Vermont. His descent
into de facto membership the Democratic party has been a major setback
for the task of building a real electoral alternative to the
two factions of the corporate property that monopolize what passes
for political choice in the United States. Bernie’s selling out
says clearly to working people and those unable to find work
that even leftists become mainstream politicians, when and if
they win office.

Sanders presented himself to the left outside of Vermont
as the leader of the third party movement, vanquishing the two major
parties in every Mayoral election from 1981-88.
When he first got elected Mayor of Burlington he was
the only elected U.S. official to attend the anniversary of the Sandinista
Revolution in Managua. The Gannett owned Burlington Free Press
said he had to be removed from office “by any means necessary.”
Now that same Burlington Free Press endorses his Congressional
candidacy.

Bernie became an imperialist to get elected in 1990.
In August, 1990–after the Bush administration enticed Iraq into
invading Kuwait–Sanders said he wasn’t “going to let some damn
war cost him the election,” according to a staff member who was
present at the time. So Sanders backed the buildup in the Persian Gulf
and dumped on the left anti-imperialist peace movement, singling
out his former allies like Dave Dellinger for public criticism.".....(more at link)


_______________________________

For those unfamiliar with Sanders' history with the LibertyUnion Party:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Union_Party


....."Senator Bernie Sanders, a self described democratic socialist and 2016 candidate for US President in the Democratic Primary, joined Liberty Union in 1971. Sanders was a candidate for several offices on their ticket before deciding to run as an independent. He was their US Senate candidate in a special US Senator race in 1971 nominated at the first meeting he attended. At the January 1972 election, Sanders took third with 2% of the vote.[8] Sanders was the party's candidate for Vermont governor in 1976 where he received 6.1% of the vote. At the time of his resignation from the party in October 1977, he was party chairman."......

[pinebox]

77. And Hillary IS a weathervane

TPP
DOMA
KXL
DADT
health care
SSM

On and on and on.....and on.

[PufPuf23]

66. David Brock travels with a body guard that conceals carries firearm. eom

Last edited Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:39 AM - Edit history (1)

[Armstead]

23. Yeah if Sanders is elected the NRA wold be in charge -- Do you ever listen to yourself?

[uponit7771]

27. Strawman, NRA wouldn't be in charge but they'd have undue influence like they have with him

... already.

Voting to give gum corps uneeded immunity is NOT progressive

[Dawgs]

58. WTF? Now you sound like a Republican.

Can't make this shit up.

[RiverLover]

102. BS. NRA rating for Bernie is a D minus

D-

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/20/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-nra-report-card-d-minus-most-recent/

You guys have to make stuff up like your candidate does every day.

Its pretty pathetic. You should all just go be repubs. Just own it.

[uponit7771]

134. They rated Clinton an f .... Clinton wins some more

[tabasco]

10. Do you think Clinton would...

repeal the ACA, repeal the Iran treaty, close off Cuba again, support anti-abortion legislation, cut social security, etc., etc.?

Republicans have promised to do all that.

[PeaceNikki]

14. This. Plus try to end same-sex marriage.

[BeyondGeography]

15. Give giant new tax cuts to the wealthiest, slash food stamps,

pack the SC with Baby Scalias, etc.

K&R.

[pinebox]

18. Some Republicans have promised to do that sure and some Dems aren't much better

You also need to remember what Hillary said about nuking Iran.
Hillary also eluded to putting social security on the table.
Also, Hillary's recent comments about abortion is very worrisome.

As I said, the ACA is a Republican plan. IMHO she has a lot on common with the guy who fought for that, Bob Dole.

The bill called "HEART" also had 2 Democrat co-sponsors, one of which was Chaffee.

Some of the things it featured was;

Among other features, the Chafee bill included:

An individual mandate;

Creation of purchasing pools;

Standardized benefits;

Vouchers for the poor to buy insurance;

A ban on denying coverage based on a pre-existing condition.

See, I liken Hillary to Republicans of the past, the GOP today is a mess, we all know that but when you look at the whole picture, there really isn't a lot of wiggle room for her.

[onecaliberal]

105. Do you think 29 million with NO ACA is cool? You need to listen to her AIPAC speech if you

Don't think she is itching for war. I absolutely believe she will offer up SS to her banker owners, starving children and killing the planet for greed is also very republican but Hillary and them have the SAME prescription, do nothing!

[cantbeserious]

111. Her Speeches Change For Each Audiebce

eom

[onecaliberal]

117. True, but she doesn't really hide her hawkish foreign policy. It's the one

Thing she doesn't turn into a shapeshifter on. All war all the time.

[cantbeserious]

119. Agreed Completely

eom

[redstateblues]

86. baseless smear-typical Sander's campaign tactic

[Dem2]

90. Lol

I automatically laugh when anybody tosses a pat "oligarchs, corporatists, 3rd wayers ..." etc. I consider this a joke and it makes me laugh. Were you intending to be funny?

[cantbeserious]

112. One Can Only Surmise That Reality Is Farce For This Poster

eom

[Dem2]

114. I tend to believe your user ID - "can't be serious"

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking when I responded to the post above.

[cantbeserious]

115. Deadly Serious

eom

[Dem2]

116. Sorry, it doesn't work that way

the opposite sentiment is being received.

[cantbeserious]

118. One Suspects That This Poster Is Unaccustomed To Satire And Irony

eom

[Dem2]

121. Look over here!

Nice try.

[cantbeserious]

129. One Suspects That This Poster Is Unaccustomed To Satire And Irony

eom

[bigwillq]

13. Mrs. Clinton is less bad than a repub but still bad (nt)

[tabasco]

17. Well, I agree.

But MUCH less bad than a psycho-publican

[HillareeeHillaraah]

25. From Sanders supporter Robert Reich

[pinebox]

28. That sounds like Hillary

Expand the military and more wars.
Harm the middle class by tax cuts for corps and no living wage.
Screw the poor like her surrogates who voted to gut SNAP?

[HillareeeHillaraah]

38. So I take it you disagree with Sanders supporter

Robert Reich?

No difference between what dems advocate and vote for and what republicans advocate and (occasionally actually) vote for?

Curious opinion you've formed there but hey, whatever.

[pinebox]

43. What's curious is your camp wants it both ways to fit the narrative

One minute Bernie is a Dem, the next he isn't.
So there you go. I can use that whole narrative for your argument here.

Meanwhile Hillary capitulated to Republicans a whole lot while serving in the senate & voted with them http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/21/413141/-Hillary-Clinton-Empty-Pantsuit-Her-Track-Record-from-the-Senate

[HillareeeHillaraah]

52. Ok, I'll address your derailing of the post's point...

One minute Bernie is a Dem, the next he isn't.

That's Bernie's own narrative. He wasn't a dem, now he's a dem, and when he loses his bid for the democratic party's nomination, he'll still have a job in the senate. He's simultaneously running as an Independent there. His narrative, not mine.

But it still derails the conversation: Sanders supporter Robert Reich flat out rejects the notion that dems and republicans are no different. I agree with Sanders supporter Robert Reich on that point.

Do you?

[Dawgs]

34. Great quote. Thanks. n/t

[JackInGreen]

30. that depends

when I find her record and actions to be to the right of nixon, I've got few options. She put herself there, not me.

[Dawgs]

31. Most people's lives will be the same regardless if Clinton or a Republican is the President.

And that's how most Americans feel about this election.

Which is a terrible sign if you're a Democrat.

[tabasco]

42. Tell that to millions of Americans who would lose health insurance

under ACA expanded Medicaid.

You just sound foolish making unsupportable statements.

[Dawgs]

55. You mean that republican plan created by Heritage foundation that did nothing to make HC affordable?

The foolish ones are those that continue to support and sell republican policies and then claim that they are some great Democratic achievement.

[tabasco]

70. Expanded medicaid made it free for millions, including 200,000 in my state.

WTF are you talking about?

[Dawgs]

96. Understood. You think the republican created health care plan is a good thing.

The insurance companies thank you for your support.

I'm happy for all of those that now have health insurance that didn't, but no Democrat should pretend that we can't do much better.

[tabasco]

122. Who's pretending we can't do better?

You are making stuff up now.

I support single payer. The ACA is a step in that direction. WTF do you think expanded Medicaid is?

[RiverLover]

33. Well, the Clintons do talk nicer to us when running for president.

If actual repubs though want to pass things like deregulation, endless war for corporate profit, anti-union legislation, pro-monopoly, pro-privatization like Bill Clinton did, Democrats in congress would have an easier time opposing those republican policies.

[think]

41. Hillary has taken millions from 7 of 14 too big to fail banks that are currently being sued

for rigging interest rates. Banks that violate US laws with some that are now felons.

She may be better than the GOP alternative but she's still a terrible choice...

GOP Neocon Robert Kagan thinks she's worth endorsing. That speaks volumes as to what we already know about her propensity to use the military and regime change as a foreign policy solution.

She supports the death penalty and the war on drugs.

And her new found disdain for universal healthcare is deeply disturbing.

Seriously. Voting for Hillary is like voting for the best of the worst.

[Darb]

53. Logical fallacies all.

Just because one thing happens doesn't mean it has anything to do with, or caused, another, unless you're a bernie, then everything happens because............................. Hillary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

[think]

56. Bullshit. Sell your pathetic spin to the ignorant. Hillary chose to take money from crooked banks

Hillary as president would be in charge of appointing people to regulate and police these corrupt banks she took all that money from. I'm not buying her claim the money won't influence her.

[Dawgs]

57. Only a fool would think that someone would want more than just a speech for $250K.

Right?

[think]

60. Hear ya :)

[Darb]

59. People believe anything they want to, irrespective of whether or not

it is real. Powerful people rub elbows. I know you bernies want to believe that the picture you posted means something nefarious, but it does not. People pay to hear powerful people talk because what they say matters and, as much as you may think otherwise, their employees probably like the idea of having someone of the stature of Bill and Hill speaking at an event. Why don't you do us a favor and research just exactly who, besides Hillary, have spoken at these gatherings. Then we can compare your notion that Hill is the devil because she spoke to a certain group, with the notion that big companies choose famous people to speak to their employees, or boards, or upper management, or whomever for all sorts of reasons.

I am not selling anything. You are. Go sell your conspiracy bullshit over where the kooks roam at FR or The Blaze, they agree with you 100%.

[Dawgs]

62. So, you think Wall Street, who hate the Clintons and Democrats, care what her and Bill have to say?

Really?

[Darb]

64. You bernies don't even know what "Wall Street" is.

Define "Wall Street" for me, or at least what it means to a bernie, because I don't think it means what you think it does.

[Dawgs]

68. You answer me first?

Do you think Hillary and Bill were paid 153 million by Goldman Sachs, UBS, Bank of America, the Deutsche Bank, and others because they give such great speeches?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/

[think]

63. Goldman Sachs lied to congress and duped it's own investors

You're ignoring reality...

[Darb]

65. I'm sure you could prove that, so go ahead.

But I don't care really. Irrespective of what some of their employees, or even their CEO did, how does that mean that Hillary did it?

[think]

69. Wall Street banks already have Hillary's word she won't support Glass Steagall to break them

Up even if they are already corrupt and once again provide a systemic risk of failing.

They were too big to fail before the bailout. Now they are even bigger.

These banks destroyed the lives of millions of Americans due to their greed, corruption, and reckless behavior. They should be broken up because they are still violating US laws and pose a huge threat to the American people.

[Darb]

135. If the bill comes before her she will sign ity. Civics 101 is what you need.

Hillary as president cannot reinstate Glass Steagall. Buy a clue. And quit whining so fucking much, will ya bernies?

[think]

137. Take it up with your candidate then: "Clinton dismisses reinstating Glass-Steagall"

Clinton dismisses reinstating Glass-Steagall

By Dan Merica, CNN
Updated 5:52 PM ET, Tue October 6, 2015


Davenport, Iowa (CNN)Hillary Clinton on Tuesday dismissed the idea of reinstating a Depression-era banking law that has found champions in two of her Democratic opponents, setting up what will likely be a flashpoint in next week's Democratic primary debate.

Warren pushes for return of Glass-Steagall after Clinton adviser says he won't back measure

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/06/politics/hillary-clinton-glass-steagall-act-martin-omalley/

[Darb]

139. Everything is so simple to a bernie.

I wish that you could see beyond black and white, but, like many on the other side, you cannot. Glass Steagall will never be reinstated. Maybe something similar, or updated, or something that accomplishes things that might be similar, but outlawing what is now the entire banking system will wreak havoc and you do not have the votes. The cat is out of the bag. Glass Steagall is gone, history, kapoot.

Come up with a way to solve what you think the problem is, if you even know, which I am wagering that you don't, then get that through congress and we'll see who signs it.

[think]

141. Elizabeth Warren and other Democrats are working to get a NEW Glass Steagall bill passed.

have fun explaining Hillary's position....

[Darb]

143. "New"? Not the old one exactly?

Whoda thunk it.

[VulgarPoet]

74. So so long as it's your anointed heiress, dirty money doesn't matter. Got it.

Goldman Sachs is complicit in fraudulent activity, who then passed the fruits of their poisoned tree to Clinton.

[Darb]

136. Bullshit.

You bernies don't know what you are talking about. Whine all you want about speeches. Good gawd there is a lot of whining in the bernie camp. I know, I know, a paid speech makes her an accomplice. Geez you guys are some kind of naive, puritan sect.

Now run along Screaming about some boggey man called "Wall Streeeeeeeet"!!!! AAAAAAAHHH!

[beedle]

87. Coporations are people too my friend

Is that what you're trying to say?

[Darb]

138. Geez, you guys are digging deep into the cliche department.

It is apparent that the bernies do not understand what our economic system is and how it works. Go ahead now, scream WAAAALLLLLLLLLLL STREEEEEEEEEEEEET!!! As if that means anything other than that you do not know what you are talking about.

[frustrated_lefty]

47. I believe

that somewhere on the scale of "evil" such precise metrics become irrelevant.

[99Forever]

49. Passive/agressive claptrap.

Trash bin stuffing.

[tabasco]

71. Cogent rebuttal.

Thanks for playing!

[99Forever]

110. It got the response it earned.

Actually more than it earned.

[dana_b]

128. or another one to put on ignore

at least they make it easy.

[yourout]

54. In some ways she might be worse.....If SS gets cut it will have a Dem signature on it.

"Grand compromise" or whatever other bile term they can put on it likely will only get passed with a Dem pushing it.

If the Republicans try it the outrage from the Dems and Senate fillibuster would stop it in its tracks but Hillary or Obama pushing it would pry away enough votes to make it happen.

If a Republican President tried to ram TPP through it would die a quick death but with Obama pushing for it it will unfortunately pass.

In many ways having a Corporate Toady President with a D after it's name is more dangerous than one with an R.

I will say this though......We MUST take back the Senate this year.


On Edit.....In many ways I am more worried about doing the WRONG thing than I am about doing nothing. Many a President would have been better off signing little to nothing then they were by signing things so they could have a "Legacy".

[tabasco]

80. Sanders doesn't think so.

"Yes, we do agree on a number of issues, and by the way, on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and President than the Republican candidate on his best day."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sanders-clinton-on-her-worst-day-still-infinitely-better-than-any-goper/ar-CC6IFi

[JoePhilly]

61. Trolls are going to make that claim ...

... and then they'll disappear from this site when the GE ends.

[djean111]

67. 'bye

[HumanityExperiment]

72. This says it all...

[tabasco]

75. That's why she's not my choice as nominee,

but I'm sure she would not support repealing the ACA, repeal the Iran treaty, support anti-abortion legislation, or do a lot of other insane actions that republicans have promised to do.

[HumanityExperiment]

78. HRC is republican light...

HRC is NOT a progressive, is NOT a liberal...

Follow her history, just like that video proves out... she has to be dragged by society and those liberal / progressive elements within DEM party to the left

Does our party and our nation deserve an actual liberal / progressive in office? YEP and HRC is neither a liberal, nor a progressive

[RiverLover]

84. Wrong. She called a fetus an "unborn human".

This is how it starts. She's anti-abortion & she would triangulate it. If its even possible, its in the states' hands. Interesting how abortion only comes up on a national level during presidential campaigns.

And as for Iran, she's already talking about how bad they are & how she will support the twisted violent occupying policy of Israel.

You are being played. Its serious. We've been damaged enough by one Clinton, we can't let them fool so many people all over again & screw us over even worse now.

[tabasco]

88. So what's your plan?

Not voting for Clinton if she is the nominee? Even Sanders would say that's stupid. I'm voting for Sanders in the primary and I'll vote for Clinton if she is the nominee. How, exactly, is that "being played?" Is Bernie being played too?

"Yes, we do agree on a number of issues, and by the way, on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and President than the Republican candidate on his best day."

---Bernie Sanders

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sanders-clinton-on-her-worst-day-still-infinitely-better-than-any-goper/ar-CC6IFi

[RiverLover]

97. Wait for the real thing. The movement is bigger than one great politician

who has to tow the line. My number one concern is the outrageous purchase of our "representatives" by Moneyed Interests. Its at the heart of almost every problem in the US.

Why would I vote for the one person who has received more money than anyone else from Moneyed Interests?

And all this is meaningless anyways, because I haven't given up on Bernie being our nom.

Much like this guy from Idaho~

Don’t Give Up on Bernie Sanders Yet
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-gipple/dont-give-up-on-bernie-sanders-yet_b_9603984.html

[Nye Bevan]

73. I'm sure Bernie Sanders agrees with you wholeheartedly (nt)

[tabasco]

79. Well, of course, he's said so many times.

"Yes, we do agree on a number of issues, and by the way, on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and President than the Republican candidate on his best day."

--- Bernie Sanders


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sanders-clinton-on-her-worst-day-still-infinitely-better-than-any-goper/ar-CC6IFi

[AgerolanAmerican]

81. sorry it's the other way around

If you don't see her as as bad as a Republican, you don't know enough about her.

If the Republicans are about anything, they're about selling your ass to the highest bidder. And Hillary is the best of the best at that trade.

[tabasco]

85. So you consider Bernie Sanders a liar?

"Yes, we do agree on a number of issues, and by the way, on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and President than the Republican candidate on his best day."

---Bernie Sanders

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sanders-clinton-on-her-worst-day-still-infinitely-better-than-any-goper/ar-CC6IFi

[blm]

83. Same here - can't believe some accuse Clintons of being worse than Bushes.

In fact, I can't believe that those saying Clintons are more corrupt than Nixon, Reagan and Bushes are even Democrats. They post more like GOP operatives attempting to pose as outraged progressives.

[LAS14]

89. Good post! (from a Clinton supporter)

[tularetom]

92. Well, you have to admit that's a pretty low bar

She can be better than Trump or Cruz and still be unacceptable.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

95. Exactly!

n/t

[PowerToThePeople]

98. imo this OP is woefully ignorant

trashcan for this sick depiction of a person with a developmental impairment.

[Orsino]

106. Only Hillary Clinton can prove that a woman can be president...

...thereby contradicting about 40% of the GOP's platform. Whatever one thinks of Clinton's integrity, there is no way that she is as "bad" as any of the Republican candidates.

Two more words for any remaining doubters: Supreme Court.

[ViseGrip]

107. Could it be the OP is ignorant?The Pact Between Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich to Privatize Soc.Sec.

Cross post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027724810

The Pact Between Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich to Privatize Social Security
Thank you, Monica!

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2008/05/29/the-pact-between-bill-clinton-and-newt-gingrich?page=3

Despite being pushed by the two most powerful political figures in America, a massive overhaul of Social Security would be an uphill fight. Clinton always said that he needed at least 100 Democratic votes in the House to support a bill. Could he muster that many votes on an issue as controversial as Social Security? Could Gingrich, who had already suffered one rebellion and seen his hold on power seriously eroded, bring along enough moderate Republicans to seal the deal? All the key players—Clinton, Gingrich, Bowles, White House congressional liaison John Hilley, and Bill Archer—were cautiously optimistic. ''It wasn't crazy for them to think that if they could do the impossible and pass welfare reform and the balanced budget bill, they could do Social Security,'' reflected Bruce Reed, the president's chief domestic policy adviser.

The plan was for Clinton to make his bold initiative for reforming Social Security and Medicare the centerpiece of his State of the Union address in January 1998. Gingrich would follow the president's speech by making positive comments about the initiative. He would then ask Archer's Ways and Means Committee to make specific recommendations. Both sides would try to keep the issue off the table in the 1998 congressional elections, before pushing it through a lame-duck Congress in December. The president asked the American Association of Retired Persons and the Concord Coalition, an influential lobbying group that advocated fiscal discipline, to organize four regional forums to discuss the issue. The national ''dialogue'' would conclude with a White House conference on Social Security in December 1998—the same time that Congress would be voting on a reform proposal.

Just weeks before the State of the Union address, the administration started signaling that it would support some form of privatization. ''Given that we have to work with the Republicans, it's hard to see a plan passing without some individual account piece,'' a Clinton adviser told Business Week. Gingrich revealed his hand in a speech at a local Cobb County event. The goal was to strike a bipartisan note while positioning himself to come out in favor of Clinton's Social Security agenda. "There's no crisis, but there's a long, steady problem unless we invent a better model,'' he said.

[tabasco]

123. I want Sanders to get the nomination, but if he doesn't,

I'll hold my nose and vote for Clinton and so will Sanders.

"Yes, we do agree on a number of issues, and by the way, on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and President than the Republican candidate on his best day."

--- Bernie Sanders

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sanders-clinton-on-her-worst-day-still-infinitely-better-than-any-goper/ar-CC6IFi

You better contact Sanders right away and let him know how ignorant he is. I'm sure you know a lot more than he does.

[basselope]

113. Clinton IS a republican.

The fact that the current GOP is so bat shit cray cray that she looks sane by comparison doesn't alter the fact that she has far more in common with the GOP of yore than democrats.

[Cryptoad]

120. The new hatching of neo-Progressives

seem to have no tolerance of anybody that does not agree with them.

[RiverLover]

127. I'm just against republicans, personally

Whether they call themselves that or not.

[Ken Burch]

140. Bernie doesn't claim that, though. n/t.

[tabasco]

142. Sanders said Clinton is "infinitely better" than any republican.

So, what adjective would Sanders use to describe someone who believes Clinton is as bad as a republican?