2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA historian explains why Bernie Sanders is right about the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/a-historian-explains-why-bernie-sanders-is-right-about-the-1933-glass-steagall-act/Both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are talking tough about Wall Street reform. But only Bernie Sanders is advocating a reprise of the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act, specifically that section of the Depression-era act that had prohibited commercial banks and investment banks from operating under the same roof. Sanders believes that the repeal of Glass-Steagall in 1999 led to the formation of banks that became too big to fail, contributed to the financial crisis in 2008and will lead to another crisis without corrective legislation.
Most observers think Sanders is on a quixotic quest and, with Wall Streets political power, the chances of any revival of Glass-Steagall are, like his election to the presidency, slim. Yet Sanders has a strong argument, one that can be effectively made using Citigroup, the two-century old bank that, along with other Wall Street banks, has a history of wreaking havoc on itself and the economy when it mixes commercial banking with investment banking
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Even Sandy Weillwho once was proud to be referred to on Wall Street as the Shatterer of Glass-Steagallnow seems to agree. In a 2012 interview on CNBC he said, What we should probably do is go and split up investment banking form banking. Have the banks do something thats not going to risk the taxpayer dollars, thats not going to be too big to fail.
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Bernie, correct again. Hillary, Wrong as usual.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)No more crony capitalism at the expense of the American people.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)The WTO GATS "General Agreement on Trade in Services" clearly has a number of sections which limit domestic regulations on financial services.
---the rest is from Public Citizen-----
New memo on WTO conflict with measures to fight too big to fail banks
There are many ways that nations can check the growth of too-big-to-fail (TBTF) banks. One approach utilized in the past is adoption of firewalls between insurance firms, investment banks and commercial banks. This was used most famously in the United States through the Glass-Steagall Act from 1933 to 1999.
But various provisions of the World Trade Organizations (WTO) General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS) pose constraints on the type of size limitations a country may use. This is not surprising, since elimination of U.S. firewalls was a top priority for big banks in the original Uruguay Round GATS talks.
Moreover, Article 13.4 of the Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement (FTA) contains virtually identical anti-size-limiting rules, as have many bilateral FTAs since the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
here is the memo: https://www.citizen.org/documents/memo-gats-conflict-with-bank-size-limits-may-10-2011.pdf
Section I outlines the basic policy options and debates confronting policymakers who wish to solve the TBTF problem.
Section II outlines the relevant GATS (and by implication, FTA) rules, and their possible conflict with these TBTF policy solutions whether in the form of firewalls, licensing procedures or outright size limits. Section III concludes by suggesting a number of policy fixes.
Finally, Appendix I looks at the negotiating history of what relevant financial policies the United States bound to the GATS, including records released in response to Public Citizens requests under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). These documents show the disconnect between key U.S. negotiators and regulators during the Uruguay Round and subsequent financial services talks as to the reach of the core substantive obligations of the GATS. Appendix II details how the U.S. administered Glass-Steagall, which is useful for determining the exact intersection with GATS rules.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)Like North Dakota's banking choice.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Though I'd be nationalizing and entirely reorganizing the four or six top crime banks, period. Bring out the proverbial (I said proverbial!) guillotine for the top few hundred perps. This may happen after the inevitable next crash, but not under Clinton.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)At least it is enough for me.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)If we want real change, we need all that capital redirected to human needs and conversion of the economy. Instead of subsidizing by tax to make alternative energies more profitable under the traditional rules of capital, for example, banks should just invest in them because it's a necessity. A system that can't regulate something as fundamental as ending an ongoing destruction of the biosphere's capacity to sustain human life needs to be redirected radically. That won't happen until fossil fuels are no longer profitable, under the current "free" market financial system.
-none
(1,884 posts)As does the State Mill and Elevator. another socialist business. No politician there is dumb enough to touch either one.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)me b zola
(19,053 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Festivito
(13,452 posts)Bankers get our pooled tax dollars, our socially collected monies.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Americans are hugely uninformed. If it is good enough for N Dakota and is solvent and regulated, why not everywhere? Labels - socialism - I think you're living in the fifties - Joe McCarthy anyone? Start looking at what is working and forget the labels. Let's fix America.
-none
(1,884 posts)North Dakota is a [font color="red"]RED[/font color] state.
Proper labels help to sort things out. This country could use more socialism and less capitalism.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Bill was saying that it wasn't really a cause of the crash, that it was already being breached.
What Bill didn't mention is that the immediate impetus of Bob Rubin and Larry Summers pushing through Glass-Steagall was the pending merger of Sandy Weill's Citigroup with Traveller's Insurance, which had literally been approved pending the dissolution of Glass-Steagall. When Bob Rubin left Treasury, he took a $20 million per year job at Citi where at his insistence, he had no line authority or accountability. At Citi, Rubin pushed for increased risk taking, and Citi ultimately was the biggest financial basket case and the largest recipient of TARP money and loans from the Fed after the banking and economic collapse. Under President Obama, the Treasury Department is dominated by former Citi executives from the Bob Rubin tree.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)couldn't be truthful on the question and subject...
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)The government could have bailed out Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers. The meltdown that started after the effort to bail out Lehman Brothers broke down taught them they couldn't let it happen again. And of course, Bill makes no mention that Citi, Bank of America and other banks would have failed without taxpayer bailouts.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)The Fed audit turned up that little nugget.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Bernie pushed for
senz
(11,945 posts)Or at the very least, roundly and soundly censured to the extent that his name on any corporate roster would be a PR liability for that corporation?
We need to protect ourselves from these people.
When are we going to close the revolving door and get corporate garbage out of government?
I appreciate your sharing these facts with us, BernieforPres2016. You do good work!
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)If you can even separate the two.
I suspect that it would be virtually impossible to ever pin criminal charges on Bob Rubin, and would not say with any confidence that he ever actually did anything illegal. He was careful to get a job at Citi that gave him enormous compensation, allowed him to do very little work, have no accountability, and capitalize on his political connections. There were layers between him and the criminal activity (in the bowels of Citi with investment bankers and the municipalities and investors they bilked, the fraud they perpetrated in cooperation with the credit ratings agency who rated toxic securites AAA in exchange for large fees, etc.). The only way to ever make a case against top executives would be to demonstrate that they participated in or had knowledge of the criminal activity. For that, the government would have to start with mid level people (who often made hundreds of thousands or even millions themselves) and find incriminating emails and other documents, then get them to flip and finger people higher up in their organizations who knew of and/or encouraged this activity, along with proof in the form of emails, notes from meetings, presentation documents, etc. It is like the mob, the people at the top keep themselves insulated from the criminal activity with layers of people in order to maintain plausible deniability.
And these are enormously difficult cases to convict people on. The people involved can all say "how were we supposed to know housing prices would collapse? It had never happened before." And the structure of and pricing models for Wall Street products like mortgage backed securities and interest rate swaps typically involved calculus and other stuff that would be very hard to explain in layman's terms to a jury. So where there were piles of evidence, the government collected fines (I believe over $250 billion to date), but with no admission of wrongdoing or any prosecution.
In my opinion, the best stuff written on the financial crisis was written by Matt Tiabbi of Rolling Stone and can be found online. Here is a link to a piece called "The Great American Bubble Machine" that includes his famous description of Goldman Sachs as "a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money." It has a hilarious description of Rubin, who was a senior partner at Goldman before becoming Treasury Secretary:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405
<Rubin was the prototypical Goldman banker. He was probably born in a $4,000 suit, he had a face that seemed permanently frozen just short of an apology for being so much smarter than you, and he exuded a Spock-like, emotion-neutral exterior; the only human feeling you could imagine him experiencing was a nightmare about being forced to fly coach. It became almost a national clichè that whatever Rubin thought was best for the economy a phenomenon that reached its apex in 1999, when Rubin appeared on the cover of Time with his Treasury deputy, Larry Summers, and Fed chief Alan Greenspan under the headline The Committee To Save The World. And "what Rubin thought," mostly, was that the American economy, and in particular the financial markets, were over-regulated and needed to be set free. During his tenure at Treasury, the Clinton White House made a series of moves that would have drastic consequences for the global economy beginning with Rubin's complete and total failure to regulate his
old firm during its first mad dash for obscene short-term profits.>
In looking for that article, I found a shorter and funny article on Rubin and a clumsy relationship he had with a woman who spilled the beans. Taibbi titled it "Bob Rubin Cuddles" and it features Rubin describing his cush job at Citi that allowed him to call this woman incessantly:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/bob-rubin-cuddles-20100501
<But none of this seemed to require Bob Rubin to actually do very much. On November 1 he called me four times as I was leaving for a conference in Raleigh; first while I was packing, then in the cab to the airport, then again before I went through security, then again when I was supposed to land. When I had to put the phone away he acted like a little kid who'd been told it was bedtime, and said he would call me again when I got to my destination.
"Don't you have work to do, Mr. Chairman?" I joked during our third call.
"I'm the chairman of the executive committee," he specified.
"What the hell does that mean?" By then I was confused.
"It means the word 'chairman' is in the title and I get paid very handsomely, but I don't have any actual managerial responsibilities." He seemed pleased.
"Well excuse moi," I shot back. "Nice work if you can get it!"
A couple of things here. One, this seems to suggest to me that Bob Rubin's main job at Citi was to hang around and be available for his political connections. His job, as I understand it, was a sort of permanent, ongoing bribe.>
senz
(11,945 posts)Yes, Matt Taibbi is knowledgeable and honest, a trustworthy source. I'll check out your links.
Rubin sounds smug, lazy, dorky, and shrewd. Since we can't catch the well-insulated perps, then perhaps the best way to guard against abusers of the system would be to enact a set of well thought-out regulations with penalties and then enforce them. I can imagine the libertarian roar of "authoritarianism" and "force," but our business environment worked best under sensible regulations like the Sherman Antitrust Act, the pre-Reagan/Clinton FCC broadcasting rules, Glass-Steagall, etc. Regulations are how the people protect themselves from pockets of unelected power like corporations.
If I recall correctly, The Big Short showed a smart guy figuring out that there were signs the housing bubble was about to burst. Surely some saw it coming. The movie did a decent job of explaining how mortgages were sliced, diced, layered, packaged and sold, too.
senz
(11,945 posts)Is this just airheadedness -- la la can't be bothered -- or is it self-interest and greed that goes so deep it cancels out every other consideration?
I love the intelligence on threads like this. So refreshing after all the schoolyard bullshit floating around.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Because deep down they know what they would find. Most people stay away from information that doesn't confirm their point of view, particularly if they have held that point of view for a long time and it is important to them.
senz
(11,945 posts)but around here, I can't figure out what their point of view is because they never actually put one forth.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)are not mutually exclusive
senz
(11,945 posts)I'm having trouble getting past the disgust phase to being amused.
But I see you're already there, Fred. Good for you!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2014/04/11th-lesson-need-learn-charles-keatings-frauds-bring-back-glass-steagall.html
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Obviously in her twisted little mind - they haven't.
BlueStateLib
(937 posts)Only Federal Reserve member banks fell under glass steagall regulations, about 30%
of the banks and none of the non-banks. After FDR's election and before glass steagall was writen, only one bank did both underwrite securities and take deposits.
Aldrich and Perkins saw a way for their banks to overtake a chief competitor, the immensely influential Morgan Bank (whose leaders were also friends of FDR), by robbing them of their ability to both underwrite securities and take deposits.
Nomi Prins: All The Presidents Bankers: The Hidden Alliances That Drive American Power
None of these would of fell under glass steagall regulations
Subprime lenders
New Century Financial Corporation
American Home Mortgage Investment Corporation
Accredited Home Lenders
Countrywide Financial
Northern Rock (UK)
Ameriquest
E*TRADE
Option One
American Freedom Mortgage, Inc.
MortgageIT
NovaStar Financial
Other lenders
Washington Mutual
Wachovia
Suntrust
Luminent Mortgage Capital
Aegis Wholesale
1st National Bank of Arizona
GreenPoint Mortgage Funding
Velocity Commercial Lender
Fremont Investment & Loan
ResMAE Mortgage Corp
Americans Brokers Conduit
IndyMac Bank
Insurers
AIG
Ambac
MBIA
Mortgage Guaranty Insurance Corporation
CGU