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[onehandle]

1. Too bad. The leftover money he has goes to the DNC when he loses. nt

[peacebird]

2. Except even w all her bull hockey, Bernie will win. Especially after the panama papers...

[daleanime]

5. Way to tell someone....

that they don't matter.

[RKP5637]

13. The democratic party is a minority in the US and should always remember that. We need all of the

votes we can get no matter who the democratic nominee is. 43% of this country is Unaffiliated/Independent, not R's or D's.

[JackInGreen]

77. based on most of the Rs and Is I've known

they're Berning.

[RKP5637]

79. Yep!!! n/t

[Loudestlib]

17. No it doesn't.

[Loudestlib]

49. They can donate an unlimited amount to a charity or political party.

They can also, within limits, make contributions directly to other candidates.

Federal Election Commission. "Permissible non-campaign use of funds.
http://www.fec.gov/law/cfr/11_cfr.pdf

[Loudestlib]

54. No problem.

That's how I feel. He's been fighting for issues I support for 40 years. I don't expect him to change.

[jfern]

64. Nope

[SleeplessinSoCal]

3. you aren't electing an Emperor - you need a different Congress if you want his agenda

Hopefully not all Sanders supporters aren't as clueless. If he is serious about his campaign, he'd better get down ballot liberal Democrats elected.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

36. He won't get a filibuster proof Congress in his first 4 years

He will only cause backlash to Democratic Socialism. What media, economic system and Republican opposition do you think will support even one of his ideas?

HE HAS TO GET LIBERAL DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS YEAR ONE, OR DOOM HIS AGENDA. AND I DON'T THINK HE IS BEING RATIONAL. I THINK HE IS WAY OVER HIS ESTIMATED RATE IS SUCCESS.

Meanwhile, Hillary wants to build on progress made on clean energy, consumer protection, and affordable education. If Obama hadn't lost his legislative majority in 2010, we wouldn't see a Bernie Sanders candidacy. We might have younger and more well rounded candidates who would have beat the Tea Party 2010-14.

[highprincipleswork]

62. We're not hemmed in by your predictions, dontcha know? Sorry that you're cynical enough

to be so wedded to this line of reasoning, and to supporting someone like Hillary, who really does not stand for Progressive values.

But I get it. Belief in limitation has its advantages. Just not going to go for it. Especially now, in the primaries.

IF she wins, then we can see what we want to do then.

[dchill]

59. She's not "giving back," she's buying loyalty.

It's a commodity in DNC circles.

[brooklynite]

74. If you wait until July, most of the candidates will have been nominated...

...and I'm guessing most of them will be the "establishment" candidates you disdain.

[rhett o rick]

28. Of course it will be an uphill battle but at least he will fight for us, unlike Obama that

turned conservative the min he was sworn in.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

40. what are you talking about?

Obama kept clean energy priority number one, War at bay, and raised the Federal minimum wage and several executive orders which were liberal/progressive issues.

WHERE WAS EVERYBODY IN 2010? THAT DOOMED US. SAME FOR 2014. RED STATES PUT UP BARRIER AFTER BARRIER AND GERRYMANDERING SEALED THE DEAL.

You can't just show up, vote one time, and expect passionate opposition to play dead.

[rhett o rick]

46. Obama is a failure as a progressive. Every one of his appointments was a hard line

conservative. He bowed before the NSA. He said the torture committed under Bush was no big thing. It happens. His ACA should have been single payer but he sold out to the health insurance industry. He fail with Gitmo. He didn't pardon Gov Steigelman. He prosecuted medical marijuana dispensers and turned his back on Wall Street crooks. He normalized killing people, anyone he decided via drones in foreign sovereign lands. Even Bush wouldn't do that. He let the Prisons For Profits industry triple in size while militarizing the local police. And how about the TPP. The death knell for American workers.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

50. You lie or are massively misinformed

Every time voters opt out of voting, he has had a more challenging legislative body and has had to turn to executive orders. They are often challenged in court.

Look at his efforts to fight NRA backed Representatives and the Tea Party.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamas-top-10-accomplishments-according-to-obama/

[TimeToEvolve]

66. no

every one of those things in rhett o ricks comment is provably true.

[bjo59]

56. Again, absolutely agree with you.

[bjo59]

52. You are 100% correct.

(I always thought he was a sleeper.)

[arcane1]

53. That different congress also needs a few different Dems than are currently in office.

Hillary won't be donating to those Dems, and they are more important.

[doc03]

7. So if he would by some miracle win the presidency he will have a Republican

congress because he never supported Democrats and he will get absolutely nothing done. Real intelligent strategy.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

43. They have been running as long as he has. Primaries determine how far to the left the DNC is.

In June we may not even get a Democratic candidate on the ballot because the primary takes top two. It could be Rohrabacher, Idiot of the first order, running in November against another Republican.

[Lucinda]

67. No. There are Dems running RIGHT NOW that need party support.

And if we don't elect them, we wont have a chance of turning the Senate back to Dem control before 2018, if then.

[doc03]

68. Well he wasn't a Democrat until a few months ago. Maybe he

will support the Socialist Labor Party candidates instead.

[rhett o rick]

31. Yes this will be tough. He has always supported Democrats. And once the progressive Democratic

politicians see that we have their backs, we will see more and more progressive in office. I know you hate that. I am sure that Clinton would have a great relationship with a Republicon congress because they see eye to eye on all issues.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

47. Which is why they spend hundreds if millions trying to keep her from running at all?

Gullible doesn't begin to describe today's electorate.

[mythology]

69. I assume you have been living without access to the news

for the last 24 years. Otherwise you'd realize that Republicans have had some pretty serious differences with the Clintons bordering on a pathological obsession. It would be very hard to make any sort of case that the Clintons and the Republican party get along if one has been paying any actually attention.

And no, Sanders hasn't always supported Democrats. He's called the party ideologically bankrupt. In 2015 he raised no money for Democrats. He's called the Democrats and Republicans tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum.

A quote from Sanders: “We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’”

I don't think I'd consider it support if somebody called me tweedle-dee or tweedle-dum.

[rhett o rick]

70. I will go to the trouble of listing those issues where Clinton and the Republicons

agree. They have always hated her, but what does that have to do with her signing bills they pass?

They both are against:

Strengthening Social Security (e.g., raising the cap)
They support job killing "Free Trade" agreements
fracking for oil company profits over people's water
helping college students afford college (telling them to get a job doesn't cut it)
making major corps pay their fair share of taxes
Regulating domestic spying and making the NSA/CIA Security State have oversight.
ending drone killing of terrorist "suspects" in foreign lands (100 innocents killed for each suspect)
reducing the defense budget
taking a hard stand against torture and indefinite detention.
the end of the militarization of our local police forces.
ending Prisons for Profits
legalizing marijuana esp. for medical use.
funding the rebuilding of our neglected infrastructure.
single payer health insurance.
the regulation of Wall Street (e.g. reinstate Glass-Steagall)
breaking up the big bank and media monopolies.
They favor American Exceptionalism as an excuse for neocon imperialism.

[robbedvoter]

8. Am I lost on the wrong "Underground"?

I remember this was founded in 2001, when W& friends robbed DEMOCRATS of their POTUS win. And Nader drove the getaway car. I see him&friends are now in charge here

[LiberalElite]

34. Give it up on Nader already it's 2016

time to MOVE ON. We got Bush because Gore wouldn't fight.

[Art_from_Ark]

38. Gore fought all the way to the US Supreme Court

We got Bush because of all the shenanigans in Florida and the US Supreme Court's ridiculous interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

[rhett o rick]

72. Of all the factors that gave us Bush, Nader was the least of the problems.

But some that live in their denial bubbles need to have a scapegoat because they don't want to know what really happened. The hubris of the Democratic Party Elites ignored the warning signs that the people were tired of the Republicon Light DLC run government, but the DLC ran Clinton/Gore again this time with Gore.

The governor of a state manipulated the presidential election to give the presidency to his brother. This is pretty big.

The SCOTUS acting unilaterally, with no balance of power, no method to overturn their decision, took it upon themselves to decide the winner of the presidential election.

But those among us that want sooo badly to believe that our authoritarian government wouldn't crap on them look for a scapegoat in Ralph Nader. Nader did not break any laws. And it is not even reasonable to believe that had he not run, those votes would have gone to Gore. They were protest votes, hello.

Millions of eligible voters didn't vote. Not Nader's fault.

If you want to live in a democracy don't go looking for an excuse, look in the mirror.

[Scuba]

76. You're still blaming Nader? Get a clue, the problem wasn't Nader, it was this guy ...

[merrily]

9. Any indication that Bernie wants us to tell Hillary or Carville something?

If the Bernie campaign wants me to do something, it has not been shy about emailing me and asking.

As a general matter, as for federal offices, we don't have a choice but to subsidize Blue Dogs, even if we contribute only to the candidates.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778505

After November, I think we should see about having the DNC cut out a lot of things we don't want.

[RandySF]

11. The DNC is about electing Democrats.

They are not going to sit out elections because not everyone likes a specific nominee for office.

[merrily]

18. What connection do you see between your Post 11 and my Post 9?

[Beowulf]

78. +1

[rhett o rick]

71. The DNC is a tool for the wealthy Ruling Class that you idolize. nm

[RandySF]

10. Tell her, yourself.

[baldguy]

14. Then you guarantee that President Bernie will fail.

With a Republican Congress none of his proposals will see the light of day, and they will do their best to remove him from power.

[baldguy]

27. We have people running for Congress, the Senate, Governorships & State House seats RIGHT NOW!

And who do you think are the candidates that are having the most difficult time with their campaigns? THE INSURGENT PROGRESSIVE THAT BERNIE REQUIRES TO HAVE AT HIS BACK!!

Bur Mr Sanders has never in his entire career seen fit to help like-minded candidates in down-ticket races get elected. Not when he was Mayor, not when he was Congressman, and not since he's been Senator.

And that's the biggest reason why Bernie is the wrong guy to have in the Oval Office, The Presidency wasn't made for a one-man-band.

[baldguy]

42. You just proved my point.

Down-ticket progressives need help. Bernie doesn't help them.

[baldguy]

60. And yet they are an essential.

Bernie says he wants to be the leader - he should prove it be helping like-minded candidates win their primaries!

As it is, Clinton has done and is doing more in the last four months to elect real progressive Democrats to Congress to counter the seething horde of the GOP than Sanders has done in his entire life.

[sheshe2]

48. Kicking your post.

Thanks baldguy.

[TrueDemVA]

15. I dont trust the DNC

I want my money to go to Bernie and democrats who represent my values. We have all seen that the DNC represents corporate interest for the most part. If down ticket dems represent traditional democratic values, then I will contribute to them.

The DNC does not represent real democrats.

[Turn CO Blue]

26. Exactly!The DNC gives money to well-known, well-funded candidates in the clique, ignores

Dem candidates in races that we SHOULD be funding.

[tokenlib]

39. The DNC represents the New Dem/Third Way/DLC types who cmae into the party...

...with the Clintons.

[SCantiGOP]

20. TELL HER YOURSELF

And understand how to use caps lock, OK?

[Beacool]

22. Then form another party and run Sanders as your candidate.

He chose to use the resources of the Democratic party, therefore, he should help the down ticket candidates like any other Democratic presidential candidate would do.

Then again, he's not truly a Democrat, just an opportunist who saw an opening and took it.

[Beacool]

25. Then, so be it.

It's not like many of Sanders' supporters consider themselves to be Democrats. He's a socialist, let him run on that party's ticket.

[onehandle]

29. Nadery threats.

From an anonymous Internet ID.

Cool story, bro.

[noretreatnosurrender]

32. You Forgot

to add the part about the DNC agreeing to let him run in the Democratic Primary. Ooops

[Beacool]

35. He's no Democrat, only joined the party to use it's resources.

Once he goes back to the Senate he'll probably revert to his Independent status.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

44. carville did a good job of playing stupid

"Oh, i just don't know why half of the democratic party wants to support someone who's not a democrat"

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

55. Why should we want to support people who oppose our candidate? K&R

[dubyadiprecession]

61. Financially support bernie, but not democratic candidates?

This is the tipping point that tells us, that the republicans are infiltrating the Democratic party.

[d_legendary1]

81. Republicans HAVE infiltrated the Democratic Party

They're the ones who disagreed with the Iran Nuclear deal, support predatory pay day lenders, and support free trade. Its a very scary thought.

[brooklynite]

73. Tell Bernie to formally revoke the Joint Fundraising Agreement he signed with the DNC...

[Scuba]

75. I won't give a dime to the DNC. They'll just spend it on Republican-lite candidates.

[Kip Humphrey]

80. My concern is Hillary spreading millions of corporate cash in attempt to corrupt and buy Democrats

and their super delegate votes. Last I knew, buying votes is a fine example of corruption... as is money laundering (See DNC, 33 State Democratic Committees & the Hillary Victory Fund). How do you define corruption?