Ain't happening!

[timmymoff]

If she walks on stage with Cuomo and pretends she was involved with the fight for $15 I assure you I won't vote for her ass. I already didn't in Illinois, but to allow her to act as if she was part, when she opposed it. Screw her. You can vote for her, I promise you I won't. Enough is enough of this chameleon of a democrat. If she gets the nomination, I assure you, she will not get my vote. And if banned from this group, so be it.

[geek tragedy]

1. Enjoy your last 65 days here. nt

[timmymoff]

2. I lurked for ten years without writing

In a few days I will have as long as it has taken Hillary to look into her releasing her transcripts. But I do appreciate your concern, and also your lack of concern regarding democratic principles. Way to keep growing the party with corporate loyalist's. Why don't Hillary supporters join the RNC and get the shit over with? She is a democrat like Max Baucus or Zell miller at best. You can have her.

[geek tragedy]

3. you are confused as to what "democratic principles" means

"democratic principles" means that the person who gets the most votes wins. It doesn't mean that the candidate with the most smugly self-righteous supporters wins.

You are welcome.

[NWCorona]

5. That's what you think "Democratic principles" means?

[JonLeibowitz]

42. Well it certainly explains a lot about this one.

They're backing the "True Democrat" because they care about "Democratic Principles": the one expected to receive the most votes 2 years ago when fundraising started.

Suddenly everything becomes clearer.

[timmymoff]

6. Democratic principles

does not mean supporting fracking. Never has the democratic party stated " let's sell polluting groundwater worldwide." Democratic principle's mean fighting for labor, not taking credit for a fight you were to chickenshit to involve yourself with. Democratic principles are fair trade not free trade that has been disastrous. If she gets the most votes that's fine, as stated, she will be minus 1 in Illinois.

[geek tragedy]

10. Ok, you're Trump-neutral in the general election then

I will be a proud anti-Trump voter.

[timmymoff]

16. Stop selling fear like the damn gop you claim not to be.

[geek tragedy]

20. General elections are binary choices.

Fear is an emotion, by definition not rational.

It is perfectly rational to point out that in a binary choice, it is one or the other. So if you are expressing a desire that Clinton not win in November, you're not against Trump winning.

[timmymoff]

23. No I am expressing my right to vote or not vote for a candidate.

My non vote is not support of one. Her nomination would be causal to my non vote. She has shape shifted to much. No need to be involved with a back stabbing friend or a back stabbing candidate. I will still vote for the down ticket dems, Lord knows thay will need the help if she is nominated.

[geek tragedy]

26. I said you were Trump-neutral, not pro-Trump. nt

[timmymoff]

28. No, I'm anti corporate dem

[geek tragedy]

30. As far as Trump is concerned, you're not voting to keep him out of office.

Ergo, Trump-neutral.

Binary choice, you can't oppose both. You either pick one, or stay neutral.

[dchill]

33. "If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice."

[geek tragedy]

34. Yes, to remain neutral.

So one either votes for Trump, against Trump, or is Trump-neutral.

[dchill]

36. That's not binary.

[Kittycat]

7. Without commenting on the content of the OP's vote path

You are the one confused with what it means to be a democrat. We don't support the flip flopping actions Hillary is leading us down. We skewered it, rolled it, and blasted it some more for what it was. Bullshit.

[geek tragedy]

8. Politics isn't a purity pageant. nt

[timmymoff]

11. You should be able to tell the differences between

one party and the other, and I will be damned if I can tell Hillary's economic platform or her donor's from the gop's

[geek tragedy]

22. If you can't tell the difference between her policy proposals and the

Republicans', you haven't bothered to do the basics of learning what those proposals are.

Clinton's healthcare plan is vastly superior to Trump's, which is a warned over collection of wingnut tropes.

Anyone who has bothered to look at the two plans knows this.

So, your lack of knowledge and understanding reflects poorly only on yourself.

Go ahead and read their campaign websites. Do a google search for comparisons of their tax plans. Educate yourself.

Then spout off.

[timmymoff]

29. economics

reading comprehension

[geek tragedy]

31. Yes, their economic plans are much different

Your ignorance of that fact is not her fault.

Here's the difference in their tax plans and how they affect the deficit:

http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/03/tax-plan-showdown-hillary-clinton-vs-republicans

[timmymoff]

35. so trump can't run to the left of her on free trade?

He can't run to the left of her on healthcare? I'm well aware of Hillary's stances and continual evolutions. So I stand by my statement. She and the third way are not much different than the gop .

[geek tragedy]

37. No, he absolutely can't run to her left on healthcare.

Go on their websites and compare their plans.

His #1 item: complete repeal of the ACA, including the Medicaid expansion and customer protections.

Trade isn't a left-right issue. Unless you consider Pat Buchaban a leftist.

The problem is that you think outrage is a substitute for knowledge. It isn't.

As it is quite clear you do not know what you are talking about (by the way, Clinton endorsed the NY legislation from the beginning) I will let you have the last outraged word.

[timmymoff]

38. No need.

I am sure Trump has stated he is for a better healthcare plan than Hillary in public, but like both of them, they say one thing do another. You know that though. Her continual evolutions be it economically, trade, healthcare leave many wondering. I know longer wonder because I guess I have judgment to know when someone is pandering. I can see what she's about by paying attention to history and her voting record. also who she will take money from. I stand by my statement. I guess in a few months we may not be able to have these conversations for awhile, but we never did before either

[Recursion]

41. Let me tone down my first response: I don't believe you

I will be damned if I can tell Hillary's economic platform or her donor's from the gop's

I do not believe you are actually that stupid. I think you are lying about that.

[Kittycat]

12. This isn't about purity, it's calling it like it is. Phony, fake

Bullshit. These aren't demococratic principles. They may be your principles, but don't tag our party with that crap.

[geek tragedy]

25. Oh, you just hate Hillsry. You have that right nt

[Kittycat]

32. You think extreme flip flopping is a party plank now.

Take that somewhere else. We aren't buying what you're selling.

[JCanete]

9. We should probably do away with superdelegates then,

unless you're cool with the Democratic Party using an undemocratic nomination system.

[geek tragedy]

13. I favor removing unelected DNC members from that status

Elected officials I'm fine with since they have to face the voters.

And dump the caucuses, and having Iowa and NH always go first.

[JCanete]

21. fair enough, thanks!

[NWCorona]

4. What was the point of that post anyway?

That poster has talked of a purge a few times now lol

Am I missing something?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

14. i heard the same threats in 2008

Made me laugh then too.

[geek tragedy]

15. After June 7 the primary race will be mathematically over

and those who are rooting for the Democrat to lose in November have to leave until the general election is over.

[Ken Burch]

18. HRC doesn't have it won yet.

This is nowhere close to being over.

[geek tragedy]

27. Check back in 15 days then again 7 days after that. nt

[timmymoff]

39. We have been toast since Iowa

The ever changing goalposts of the Clintonians are quite amusing.

[Jitter65]

17. GEEZE she can't even be happy for a positive policy even if it wasn't her own. She also

is for minimum wage increase as are most Democrats. Hers was just different. All will be achieved gradually over the next several years.

[timmymoff]

19. No

She doesn't need to be included in something she wasn't willing to fight for and actively stated she was against. I understand Hillary supporters would be used to her being on both sides of this issue as well, since they continually overlook these kind of things.