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What is with the strange perversion by Bernie Sanders (Original Post) KMOD Apr 2016 OP
Sexism. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #1
OFFS panader0 Apr 2016 #13
dead horse beaten to a pulp - stop with the ungulate necromancy, for goodness' sake! Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #21
I think the word you are looking for is necropugilism Vattel Apr 2016 #75
The effort, I believe, is to revive the dead horse by beating it. That would constitute necromancy. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #79
I totally agree that it is beyond silly. But I am not so sure about your understanding of Vattel Apr 2016 #91
Oh, this sounds like an interesting sub-thread on the origin of a common expression. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #92
Okay, right, so we do agree on that. I guess I got confused when you described this Vattel Apr 2016 #93
Well, there won't be much movement unless the horse is revived. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #95
Okay, I see your point. At least this semantic issue is more significant Vattel Apr 2016 #96
Oh that is for sure! Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #97
Yes, it is in many cases. riversedge Apr 2016 #33
Ridiculous! KPN Apr 2016 #36
Hillary supporters are too anti-semtic for me. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #47
Would you mind providing some evidence leftynyc Apr 2016 #50
The only ones using sex are Hillary supporters. B Calm Apr 2016 #73
Sexism? Amimnoch Apr 2016 #84
Your efforts to excuse the Iraq War Resolution are disgusting. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #94
"Knock knock" "Who is it?" "I'm here to beat your horse." "But my horse is dead!" "The rules say..." cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #87
LOLOL of course! Avalux Apr 2016 #98
Realism. We call 'em like we see em. rachacha Apr 2016 #2
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar Fumesucker Apr 2016 #3
Oh, no - cigars remind me of strange perversions. djean111 Apr 2016 #10
"What this country needs is a really good five-cent cigar" Fumesucker Apr 2016 #23
Colonel "Bat" Guano: "I think you're some kind of deviated prevert." cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #88
He's bizarre and a hypocrite. His campaign has turned sour. His stump speech is livetohike Apr 2016 #4
Actually he has been tailoring it quite well, can't wait until he mentions Panama! hereforthevoting Apr 2016 #6
look weak? Perogie Apr 2016 #15
Boring people don't go from 5% to 45%. Dawgs Apr 2016 #25
They do when they are a demagogue. On some level maybe you realize that now. KittyWampus Apr 2016 #58
+ 1000 livetohike Apr 2016 #59
Nailed it I'm afraid. ucrdem Apr 2016 #90
Here are some examples: Sanders said he would not run a negative campaign. He has been bashing livetohike Apr 2016 #61
i um, have some strange perversions as a Bernie supporter, but that is not it hereforthevoting Apr 2016 #5
Call them as we see them, indeed. djean111 Apr 2016 #7
You noticed that too, eh? We must both be overly cynical. I'm sure it was inadvertant. Scuba Apr 2016 #29
No, there has been a lot of that. djean111 Apr 2016 #31
Would distortion or misrepretentation make you happier? KMOD Apr 2016 #34
My happiness is not relevant. Using "perversion" in your headline is just creepy. djean111 Apr 2016 #37
Oh ffs KMOD Apr 2016 #44
Do you ever feel embarrassed? FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #71
Hillary has no shame, should we expect her supporters to have any? SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #89
Nah. It's still what it is. You know ... KPN Apr 2016 #38
Accuracy. nt hopeforchange2008 Apr 2016 #8
No sexism involved Perogie Apr 2016 #9
You should have seen leftynyc Apr 2016 #51
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #52
What is with the strange perversion by Hillary Clinton supporters? Octafish Apr 2016 #11
Bernie made some strange comments last night about KMOD Apr 2016 #16
Great. If she's the nominee, she'll get my vote. Octafish Apr 2016 #22
Was it "nervous" in the context of losing those 4 caucuses and Nevada and Wisconsin GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #24
She is not going to lose NY. KMOD Apr 2016 #30
LOL leftynyc Apr 2016 #54
Self-delete this ratfucking bullshit. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #64
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #70
/rolleyes Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #86
"Strange perversion" Bonobo Apr 2016 #12
That's pretty rude. KMOD Apr 2016 #17
actually your OP is pretty rude Hiraeth Apr 2016 #19
Your OP is pretty rude. As you intended. n/t djean111 Apr 2016 #35
Truth hurts? morningfog Apr 2016 #67
Pathetic is putting it mildly. / FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #42
projection bigtree Apr 2016 #14
I don't always attempt to portray Hillary Clinton as nervous or scared Hiraeth Apr 2016 #18
... and angry, don't forget angry ... salinsky Apr 2016 #20
Copy-cat attempt at branding by his handlers and marketing team. It worked for Trump, maybe Tanuki Apr 2016 #26
I don't like those snarky laughing smilies but you post evokes..... Armstead Apr 2016 #32
Everyone is saying it. She was simply asked if she would reject FF donations & went off the rail. RiverLover Apr 2016 #27
I don't think there's anything to it firebrand80 Apr 2016 #28
I get that he wants a narrative of momentum, KMOD Apr 2016 #40
But he's been behind the entire time firebrand80 Apr 2016 #48
Especially when he or she has momentum, like Bernie does right now eh? KPN Apr 2016 #41
I don't think "momentum" is a real thing firebrand80 Apr 2016 #46
Of course you don't. KPN Apr 2016 #56
My eyes and ears are not necessarily anatomically perfect FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #39
Is Bernie nervous as well? KMOD Apr 2016 #43
Actually he is pretty relaxed, it seems to me FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #45
We women tend to get nervous or scared under pressure mcar Apr 2016 #49
And according to BSers, a majority of OPs left by Hillary supporters is all about desperation. Sheepshank Apr 2016 #53
Perversion? You are pretty sick eom jillan Apr 2016 #55
Absurd character attacks ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #57
Are you familiar with the term "psychological projection?" That's what they're doing. nt CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #60
Always? GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #62
SUBTEXT: Bernie supporters are perverts. frylock Apr 2016 #63
Seriously In_The_Wind Apr 2016 #65
Projection.. they excel at that. Good question, K. Cha Apr 2016 #66
What's with your strange perversion getting off posting flame bait billshit? morningfog Apr 2016 #68
Very good question, because it's certainly not true. Lucinda Apr 2016 #69
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #72
Almost as strange as people timmymoff Apr 2016 #74
LOL hereforthevoting Apr 2016 #76
The Clinton camp has to be a little nervous bigwillq Apr 2016 #77
First, it's sexism. It's also standard political warfare. nt Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Apr 2016 #80
No offense, but what a stupid post and what stupid responses. Vinca Apr 2016 #81
Oh, dear god... Hissyspit Apr 2016 #82
Maybe... Mike Nelson Apr 2016 #83
It's like this. rogerashton Apr 2016 #85
"Strange Perversion" is more like taking a ride on a convicted pedophile's personal jet TheSarcastinator Apr 2016 #99
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
79. The effort, I believe, is to revive the dead horse by beating it. That would constitute necromancy.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 06:55 AM
Apr 2016

Either way: it has to stop. It is beyond silly at this point. Feel the Bern!

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
91. I totally agree that it is beyond silly. But I am not so sure about your understanding of
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:20 AM
Apr 2016

the meaning of "beating a dead horse." I think the idea is that you trying to hurt the horse by beating it, but it has already been beaten so much that it is dead and so there is no point beating it anymore. I don't think the idea is that you are trying to revive the horse by beating it. If I am wrong, that would be interesting. (By the way, I just made up the term necropugilism.)

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
92. Oh, this sounds like an interesting sub-thread on the origin of a common expression.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:28 AM
Apr 2016

My understanding is that in rural times, reluctant beasts of burden would be beaten to force them into movement again. Such beatings would, at times, verge into cruel animal abuse, and kill the horse (/ mule/ ass). To the best of my understanding, "beating a dead horse" means that you try more of the same failed approach (earlier beatings have already killed the horse) and somehow expect that this time, the animal will magically respond and move again.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
93. Okay, right, so we do agree on that. I guess I got confused when you described this
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:31 AM
Apr 2016

as trying to "revive" the horse. I thought you were talking about bringing it back to life as opposed to just trying to get it to move again.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
95. Well, there won't be much movement unless the horse is revived.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:34 AM
Apr 2016

But it is - again - most silly to believe that what killed the horse will now revive it.

Love,

Betty

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
96. Okay, I see your point. At least this semantic issue is more significant
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:39 AM
Apr 2016

than the issue that the thread is about!

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
50. Would you mind providing some evidence
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:18 AM
Apr 2016

of that for me. I certainly have never seen it on DU but a jury could have taken care of that. I assume you mean they're against Sen Sanders because he's Jewish and I'd like to see some proof of that.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
84. Sexism?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:39 AM
Apr 2016

Is it really sexism that speech patterns, or speech tone is judged on her.. But none of the others?

Is it really sexism that her outfits or makeup is criticized openly, but a certain someone else's sloppy oversized suits gets a complete pass?

Is it sexism that she is guilty of the high crime of having succeeded, completely within the system, and is guilty of some unspoken crime for doing so?

Is it sexism that she is condemned for her vote on the Iraq war (as a junior, first term senator), oftenby the same people who, ironically supported John Kerry (who was also an Iraq war vote, along with the majority of other Democrats that served at that time)?

Is it sexism that anything she says that is critical of one of the men who are running gets examined and criticized, yet all of the other candidates can apparently get away with saying whatever criticisism's they'd like and it's "truth"?


Well, hell, I guess you are right, it is sexism. Worse, just stating that it is apparently warrants no consideration, and complete dismissal by others based on the responses.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
94. Your efforts to excuse the Iraq War Resolution are disgusting.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:33 AM
Apr 2016

You should feel very small for brushing that off as if it was some rookie mistake. Senators are supposed to know better. They are supposed to have the seniority to know right from wrong. Like a certain senator from Vermont did - with regard to Iraq, with regard to Panama, with regard to gay rights, with regard to pretty much every major issue your preferred candidate got DEAD WRONG.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
87. "Knock knock" "Who is it?" "I'm here to beat your horse." "But my horse is dead!" "The rules say..."
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:12 AM
Apr 2016

"all dead horses must still receive their daily beatings."

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
88. Colonel "Bat" Guano: "I think you're some kind of deviated prevert."
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:15 AM
Apr 2016

"I think General Ripper found out about your preversion, and that you were organizing some kind of mutiny of preverts."

Best movie ever made.

livetohike

(21,990 posts)
4. He's bizarre and a hypocrite. His campaign has turned sour. His stump speech is
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:26 AM
Apr 2016

boring. All they have left is to attempt to make Hillary look weak.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
25. Boring people don't go from 5% to 45%.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:41 AM
Apr 2016

Not sure where the hypocrite part comes from, but I don't think like a Clinton supporter.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
58. They do when they are a demagogue. On some level maybe you realize that now.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:55 AM
Apr 2016

Using anger, demonization, empty promises he'd never be able to fulfill.

Sadly, it's the approach Trump has also taken. Anger, demonization, empty promises that your target group want to hear.

Demagoguery- an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side. Demagoguery is a manipulative approach that appeals to the worst nature of people.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
90. Nailed it I'm afraid.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:31 AM
Apr 2016

"The system is rigged" can mean a lot of things including "affirmative action president." It's never struck me as a particularly progressive sentiment and it's strange to hear Democratic elected officials repeat it.

livetohike

(21,990 posts)
61. Here are some examples: Sanders said he would not run a negative campaign. He has been bashing
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:30 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary's character. He talks about transparency, yet he has only released one tax year (and it isn't complete). He rails against Wall Street, yet undoubtedly is invested there through retirement accounts. If Wall Street is so corrupt, why support them with personal investments?

hereforthevoting

(241 posts)
5. i um, have some strange perversions as a Bernie supporter, but that is not it
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:27 AM
Apr 2016

Actually I appreciate that she is expressive at times.

Even when she flipped a lid at the Greenpeace girl i was like "Oooh, at least part human!"

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
7. Call them as we see them, indeed.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:29 AM
Apr 2016

What is bizarre, really, is what you consider a "strange perversion". It almost looks like you just wanted to get Bernie Sanders and strange perversion in the headline.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
31. No, there has been a lot of that.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:48 AM
Apr 2016

and, as far as Hillary & Co. are concerned, we cannot ever be too cynical.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
37. My happiness is not relevant. Using "perversion" in your headline is just creepy.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:52 AM
Apr 2016

As you intended, I am sure.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
71. Do you ever feel embarrassed?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 06:16 AM
Apr 2016

Probably not. Seems to be a common trait among you all. Though I have to say that a lack of shame can be helpful in some ways.

KPN

(15,520 posts)
38. Nah. It's still what it is. You know ...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:53 AM
Apr 2016

if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
51. You should have seen
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:21 AM
Apr 2016

NY when we smoked bin laden. We blew car horns, we threw confetti out windows, we celebrated for a week. Was that strange? I don't think so.

Response to Perogie (Reply #9)

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
16. Bernie made some strange comments last night about
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:34 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary being nervous, and I see posts here all the time about how she's either afraid to debate Sanders, or she's debating Sanders now because she's nervous.

It the strangest thing.

I had the pleasure of seeing Hillary Clinton last night. I can assure you, she was not nervous or scared, she was pumped up and ready to go.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
22. Great. If she's the nominee, she'll get my vote.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:38 AM
Apr 2016

Until then, my Friend KMOD, I will express my reservations at the thought of another four years of conservative government.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
24. Was it "nervous" in the context of losing those 4 caucuses and Nevada and Wisconsin
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:41 AM
Apr 2016

and probably NY ? That kind of nervous?

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
64. Self-delete this ratfucking bullshit.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016

Try and retain at least a shred of dignity. Not easy for q Hillary supporter, I realize...but worth the effort.

Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #64)

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
18. I don't always attempt to portray Hillary Clinton as nervous or scared
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:35 AM
Apr 2016

but, when I do it irritates you

It's so bizarre.

Tanuki

(14,865 posts)
26. Copy-cat attempt at branding by his handlers and marketing team. It worked for Trump, maybe
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:43 AM
Apr 2016

it can work for Bernie. Trump was able to create a soundbite narrative for each one of his opponents (JEB! is low energy, etc.), and his followers obviously bought it, so Tad, Jeff, and Jane decided that Bernie's supporters will be just as easily led.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
27. Everyone is saying it. She was simply asked if she would reject FF donations & went off the rail.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:43 AM
Apr 2016

And the person asking wasn't even a Bernie supporter!



She's losing it just like Bill.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
28. I don't think there's anything to it
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:43 AM
Apr 2016

other than trying to promote the narrative that he has momentum and can still win. It's what any candidate in his position would do.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
40. I get that he wants a narrative of momentum,
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:56 AM
Apr 2016

but he's been calling her nervous throughout his entire campaign. He was saying this way back in September as well.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
48. But he's been behind the entire time
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:14 AM
Apr 2016

People on DU do the same thing. People suggest that "internal polling numbers" or some other secret information must be showing that Bernie is doing better than all the public information suggests he is doing.

When all the tangible signs look bleak, you have to fall back on the intangible, unseen signs that are "really happening," behind the scenes. You have a rhetorical advantage in that situation, because if there is something going on that nobody can see, you can claim anything is happening that you want. You don't have to see any evidence, you just have to "feel" it.

It's like people that try to sell you a product by saying that there's some kind of secret that "they" don't what you to know.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
46. I don't think "momentum" is a real thing
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:08 AM
Apr 2016

We know who the Hillary voters are and who the Sanders voters are at this point. We can pretty much look at a State and call who's going to win it pretty accurately.

Any claim of "momentum" suggests that something has happened that has changed the race. The only "momentum" Bernie has is the result of the primary calendar having States favorable to him in succession. If Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia were happening simultaneously with these latest contests, there wouldn't be any "momentum."

If someone all of a sudden wins a State that we wouldn't expect them to win based on the way the race has gone so far, then it would time to suggest that something in the race has changed. MI looked like it might have been signaling something, but it really just turned out to be a case of bad polling.

KPN

(15,520 posts)
56. Of course you don't.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:39 AM
Apr 2016

Otherwise you might feel as if all hope is lost. MI was just a case of bad polling? So that means Bernie's accomplishment there was meaningless and all the other polls are perfectly right I guess, like in WI where he is leading now, and NY where he is steadily gaining on the anointed Third Way queen (sorry -- that's how I perceive her candidacy -- and I'm obviously not a fan of Third Way -- oh, they have some good ideas but in large part they strike me as a front for corruption).

Anyway, we shall see about momentum soon enough.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
39. My eyes and ears are not necessarily anatomically perfect
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:56 AM
Apr 2016

but they are hardly perversions.

#IAmSick

About to lose her second "inevitable" primary.
100's of millions in rich people money going to waste again
An end to the Clinton money laundering operations
The end of 250,000 speaking fees

Nah. Nothing to be nervous about.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
43. Is Bernie nervous as well?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:02 AM
Apr 2016

After all unless he has landslide wins, which is extremely unlikely, his campaign is over.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
45. Actually he is pretty relaxed, it seems to me
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:06 AM
Apr 2016

Landslide victory after landslide victory. About to beat Her in Wisc, looks good to overtake Her in NY. A nationwide army of small amount donors who provide all the funds needed to overcome the David Brock ratfucking. I mean, I could not imagine a better scenario as Her implodes on Her own.

But you should not worry, Bernie does not keep shit lists like Her. He will represent all the people, even you.

Did you hear? Nevada flipped to Bernie.

mcar

(42,085 posts)
49. We women tend to get nervous or scared under pressure
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:17 AM
Apr 2016

but it's not sexism, not at all. Just fact.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
53. And according to BSers, a majority of OPs left by Hillary supporters is all about desperation.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:21 AM
Apr 2016

I thinking this has to be projection. I have never felt desperate regarding a political campaign...any campaign.

I guess regarding the OP, it could also be a projections of how they hope Hillary supporters feel, because they are certainly feeling that way.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
57. Absurd character attacks ...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:40 AM
Apr 2016

... it tells me that they are getting desperate. They see the same polls and delegate counts that everyone else sees. Bernie and his fans aren't stupid ... they're just hoping against hope for a miracle that will never happen.

Response to KMOD (Original post)

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
77. The Clinton camp has to be a little nervous
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 06:47 AM
Apr 2016

She should have wrapped this up weeks ago. Now it looks like it'll go to June 7.

Response to KMOD (Original post)

Vinca

(50,059 posts)
81. No offense, but what a stupid post and what stupid responses.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 06:57 AM
Apr 2016

I've never heard a Bernie supporter describe Hillary as either nervous or scared. Ever. And when you post it - here we go again - all the Hillary supporters scream "sexism." I swear. You people are driving me out of my mind. Your candidate is a strong woman who would never cry "sexism," but you have a need to demean her and turn her into a whimpering softie.

Mike Nelson

(9,801 posts)
83. Maybe...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:00 AM
Apr 2016

...it's an attempt to portray her as unstable? We don't want to "make her too nervous" because Hillary will lose cognitive skills? I'm not sure. I do think that Bernie probably didn't think it out that way - he just felt it and said it that way. At least, he used some humor in his delivery. If it's a pattern, maybe not... but, if it is planned to portray her as unstable, it won't work.

rogerashton

(3,915 posts)
85. It's like this.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:41 AM
Apr 2016

We keep hearing that H will take off the gloves and go after Sanders in New York and after. Why should she do that? If she is confident that she is winning, no need. Indeed I'm pretty sure it would be a mistake. So why make that mistake and "pivot" to a more negative campaign against Bernie? One hypothesis is that she is nervous that Bernie is gaining on her. Nervous people make mistakes. I would be interested in hearing an alternative hypothesis, if you have one.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
99. "Strange Perversion" is more like taking a ride on a convicted pedophile's personal jet
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:06 AM
Apr 2016

with several underage "massage technicians"...but hey, that's just me, I guess. You keep up the good fight, by all means.

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