What is with the strange perversion by Bernie Sanders

[KMOD]

and his followers, of always attempting to portray Hillary Clinton as nervous, or scared.

It's so bizarre.

[LexVegas]

1. Sexism. nt

[panader0]

13. OFFS

That whine is ridiculous.

[Betty Karlson]

21. dead horse beaten to a pulp - stop with the ungulate necromancy, for goodness' sake!

[Vattel]

75. I think the word you are looking for is necropugilism

[Betty Karlson]

79. The effort, I believe, is to revive the dead horse by beating it. That would constitute necromancy.

Either way: it has to stop. It is beyond silly at this point. Feel the Bern!

[Vattel]

91. I totally agree that it is beyond silly. But I am not so sure about your understanding of

the meaning of "beating a dead horse." I think the idea is that you trying to hurt the horse by beating it, but it has already been beaten so much that it is dead and so there is no point beating it anymore. I don't think the idea is that you are trying to revive the horse by beating it. If I am wrong, that would be interesting. (By the way, I just made up the term necropugilism.)

[Betty Karlson]

92. Oh, this sounds like an interesting sub-thread on the origin of a common expression.

My understanding is that in rural times, reluctant beasts of burden would be beaten to force them into movement again. Such beatings would, at times, verge into cruel animal abuse, and kill the horse (/ mule/ ass). To the best of my understanding, "beating a dead horse" means that you try more of the same failed approach (earlier beatings have already killed the horse) and somehow expect that this time, the animal will magically respond and move again.

[Vattel]

93. Okay, right, so we do agree on that. I guess I got confused when you described this

as trying to "revive" the horse. I thought you were talking about bringing it back to life as opposed to just trying to get it to move again.

[Betty Karlson]

95. Well, there won't be much movement unless the horse is revived.

But it is - again - most silly to believe that what killed the horse will now revive it.

Love,

Betty

[Vattel]

96. Okay, I see your point. At least this semantic issue is more significant

than the issue that the thread is about!

[Betty Karlson]

97. Oh that is for sure!

[riversedge]

33. Yes, it is in many cases.

[KPN]

36. Ridiculous!

[Loudestlib]

47. Hillary supporters are too anti-semtic for me.

[leftynyc]

50. Would you mind providing some evidence

of that for me. I certainly have never seen it on DU but a jury could have taken care of that. I assume you mean they're against Sen Sanders because he's Jewish and I'd like to see some proof of that.

[B Calm]

73. The only ones using sex are Hillary supporters.

[Amimnoch]

84. Sexism?

Is it really sexism that speech patterns, or speech tone is judged on her.. But none of the others?

Is it really sexism that her outfits or makeup is criticized openly, but a certain someone else's sloppy oversized suits gets a complete pass?

Is it sexism that she is guilty of the high crime of having succeeded, completely within the system, and is guilty of some unspoken crime for doing so?

Is it sexism that she is condemned for her vote on the Iraq war (as a junior, first term senator), oftenby the same people who, ironically supported John Kerry (who was also an Iraq war vote, along with the majority of other Democrats that served at that time)?

Is it sexism that anything she says that is critical of one of the men who are running gets examined and criticized, yet all of the other candidates can apparently get away with saying whatever criticisism's they'd like and it's "truth"?


Well, hell, I guess you are right, it is sexism. Worse, just stating that it is apparently warrants no consideration, and complete dismissal by others based on the responses.

[Betty Karlson]

94. Your efforts to excuse the Iraq War Resolution are disgusting.

You should feel very small for brushing that off as if it was some rookie mistake. Senators are supposed to know better. They are supposed to have the seniority to know right from wrong. Like a certain senator from Vermont did - with regard to Iraq, with regard to Panama, with regard to gay rights, with regard to pretty much every major issue your preferred candidate got DEAD WRONG.

[cherokeeprogressive]

87. "Knock knock" "Who is it?" "I'm here to beat your horse." "But my horse is dead!" "The rules say..."

"all dead horses must still receive their daily beatings."

[Avalux]

98. LOLOL of course!

Poor Hillary, always the victim.

[rachacha]

2. Realism. We call 'em like we see em.

[Fumesucker]

3. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar

[djean111]

10. Oh, no - cigars remind me of strange perversions.

[Fumesucker]

23. "What this country needs is a really good five-cent cigar"

[cherokeeprogressive]

88. Colonel "Bat" Guano: "I think you're some kind of deviated prevert."

"I think General Ripper found out about your preversion, and that you were organizing some kind of mutiny of preverts."

Best movie ever made.

[livetohike]

4. He's bizarre and a hypocrite. His campaign has turned sour. His stump speech is

boring. All they have left is to attempt to make Hillary look weak.

[hereforthevoting]

6. Actually he has been tailoring it quite well, can't wait until he mentions Panama!

[Perogie]

15. look weak?

She didn't look weak when she stopped the financial meltdown. So strong and effective.

[Dawgs]

25. Boring people don't go from 5% to 45%.

Not sure where the hypocrite part comes from, but I don't think like a Clinton supporter.

[KittyWampus]

58. They do when they are a demagogue. On some level maybe you realize that now.

Using anger, demonization, empty promises he'd never be able to fulfill.

Sadly, it's the approach Trump has also taken. Anger, demonization, empty promises that your target group want to hear.

Demagoguery- an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side. Demagoguery is a manipulative approach that appeals to the worst nature of people.

[livetohike]

59. + 1000

[ucrdem]

90. Nailed it I'm afraid.

"The system is rigged" can mean a lot of things including "affirmative action president." It's never struck me as a particularly progressive sentiment and it's strange to hear Democratic elected officials repeat it.

[livetohike]

61. Here are some examples: Sanders said he would not run a negative campaign. He has been bashing

Hillary's character. He talks about transparency, yet he has only released one tax year (and it isn't complete). He rails against Wall Street, yet undoubtedly is invested there through retirement accounts. If Wall Street is so corrupt, why support them with personal investments?

[hereforthevoting]

5. i um, have some strange perversions as a Bernie supporter, but that is not it

Actually I appreciate that she is expressive at times.

Even when she flipped a lid at the Greenpeace girl i was like "Oooh, at least part human!"

[djean111]

7. Call them as we see them, indeed.

What is bizarre, really, is what you consider a "strange perversion". It almost looks like you just wanted to get Bernie Sanders and strange perversion in the headline.

[Scuba]

29. You noticed that too, eh? We must both be overly cynical. I'm sure it was inadvertant.

[djean111]

31. No, there has been a lot of that.

and, as far as Hillary & Co. are concerned, we cannot ever be too cynical.

[KMOD]

34. Would distortion or misrepretentation make you happier?

[djean111]

37. My happiness is not relevant. Using "perversion" in your headline is just creepy.

As you intended, I am sure.

[KMOD]

44. Oh ffs

It's a word and it's description fits.

[FlatBaroque]

71. Do you ever feel embarrassed?

Probably not. Seems to be a common trait among you all. Though I have to say that a lack of shame can be helpful in some ways.

[SammyWinstonJack]

89. Hillary has no shame, should we expect her supporters to have any?

[KPN]

38. Nah. It's still what it is. You know ...

if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.

[hopeforchange2008]

8. Accuracy. nt

[Perogie]

9. No sexism involved

just very strange when we see someone laugh about killing another person

[leftynyc]

51. You should have seen

NY when we smoked bin laden. We blew car horns, we threw confetti out windows, we celebrated for a week. Was that strange? I don't think so.

[Octafish]

11. What is with the strange perversion by Hillary Clinton supporters?

Always. The. Victim.

[KMOD]

16. Bernie made some strange comments last night about

Hillary being nervous, and I see posts here all the time about how she's either afraid to debate Sanders, or she's debating Sanders now because she's nervous.

It the strangest thing.

I had the pleasure of seeing Hillary Clinton last night. I can assure you, she was not nervous or scared, she was pumped up and ready to go.

[Octafish]

22. Great. If she's the nominee, she'll get my vote.

Until then, my Friend KMOD, I will express my reservations at the thought of another four years of conservative government.

[GreatGazoo]

24. Was it "nervous" in the context of losing those 4 caucuses and Nevada and Wisconsin

and probably NY ? That kind of nervous?

[KMOD]

30. She is not going to lose NY.

It's a closed primary.

[leftynyc]

54. LOL

You think she's going to lose NY? That's hilarious.

[Lizzie Poppet]

64. Self-delete this ratfucking bullshit.

Try and retain at least a shred of dignity. Not easy for q Hillary supporter, I realize...but worth the effort.

[Lizzie Poppet]

86. /rolleyes

[Bonobo]

12. "Strange perversion"

Good christ, you're pathetic.

[KMOD]

17. That's pretty rude.

[Hiraeth]

19. actually your OP is pretty rude

but, you knew that.

[djean111]

35. Your OP is pretty rude. As you intended. n/t

[morningfog]

67. Truth hurts?

[FlatBaroque]

42. Pathetic is putting it mildly. /

[bigtree]

14. projection

[Hiraeth]

18. I don't always attempt to portray Hillary Clinton as nervous or scared

but, when I do it irritates you

It's so bizarre.

[salinsky]

20. ... and angry, don't forget angry ...

... it's just so unladylike.

Amirite??

[Tanuki]

26. Copy-cat attempt at branding by his handlers and marketing team. It worked for Trump, maybe

it can work for Bernie. Trump was able to create a soundbite narrative for each one of his opponents (JEB! is low energy, etc.), and his followers obviously bought it, so Tad, Jeff, and Jane decided that Bernie's supporters will be just as easily led.

[Armstead]

32. I don't like those snarky laughing smilies but you post evokes.....

[RiverLover]

27. Everyone is saying it. She was simply asked if she would reject FF donations & went off the rail.

And the person asking wasn't even a Bernie supporter!

She's losing it just like Bill.

[firebrand80]

28. I don't think there's anything to it

other than trying to promote the narrative that he has momentum and can still win. It's what any candidate in his position would do.

[KMOD]

40. I get that he wants a narrative of momentum,

but he's been calling her nervous throughout his entire campaign. He was saying this way back in September as well.

[firebrand80]

48. But he's been behind the entire time

People on DU do the same thing. People suggest that "internal polling numbers" or some other secret information must be showing that Bernie is doing better than all the public information suggests he is doing.

When all the tangible signs look bleak, you have to fall back on the intangible, unseen signs that are "really happening," behind the scenes. You have a rhetorical advantage in that situation, because if there is something going on that nobody can see, you can claim anything is happening that you want. You don't have to see any evidence, you just have to "feel" it.

It's like people that try to sell you a product by saying that there's some kind of secret that "they" don't what you to know.

[KPN]

41. Especially when he or she has momentum, like Bernie does right now eh?

[firebrand80]

46. I don't think "momentum" is a real thing

We know who the Hillary voters are and who the Sanders voters are at this point. We can pretty much look at a State and call who's going to win it pretty accurately.

Any claim of "momentum" suggests that something has happened that has changed the race. The only "momentum" Bernie has is the result of the primary calendar having States favorable to him in succession. If Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia were happening simultaneously with these latest contests, there wouldn't be any "momentum."

If someone all of a sudden wins a State that we wouldn't expect them to win based on the way the race has gone so far, then it would time to suggest that something in the race has changed. MI looked like it might have been signaling something, but it really just turned out to be a case of bad polling.

[KPN]

56. Of course you don't.

Otherwise you might feel as if all hope is lost. MI was just a case of bad polling? So that means Bernie's accomplishment there was meaningless and all the other polls are perfectly right I guess, like in WI where he is leading now, and NY where he is steadily gaining on the anointed Third Way queen (sorry -- that's how I perceive her candidacy -- and I'm obviously not a fan of Third Way -- oh, they have some good ideas but in large part they strike me as a front for corruption).

Anyway, we shall see about momentum soon enough.

[FlatBaroque]

39. My eyes and ears are not necessarily anatomically perfect

but they are hardly perversions.

#IAmSick

About to lose her second "inevitable" primary.
100's of millions in rich people money going to waste again
An end to the Clinton money laundering operations
The end of 250,000 speaking fees

Nah. Nothing to be nervous about.

[KMOD]

43. Is Bernie nervous as well?

After all unless he has landslide wins, which is extremely unlikely, his campaign is over.

[FlatBaroque]

45. Actually he is pretty relaxed, it seems to me

Landslide victory after landslide victory. About to beat Her in Wisc, looks good to overtake Her in NY. A nationwide army of small amount donors who provide all the funds needed to overcome the David Brock ratfucking. I mean, I could not imagine a better scenario as Her implodes on Her own.

But you should not worry, Bernie does not keep shit lists like Her. He will represent all the people, even you.

Did you hear? Nevada flipped to Bernie.

[mcar]

49. We women tend to get nervous or scared under pressure

but it's not sexism, not at all. Just fact.

[Sheepshank]

53. And according to BSers, a majority of OPs left by Hillary supporters is all about desperation.

I thinking this has to be projection. I have never felt desperate regarding a political campaign...any campaign.

I guess regarding the OP, it could also be a projections of how they hope Hillary supporters feel, because they are certainly feeling that way.

[jillan]

55. Perversion? You are pretty sick eom

[NurseJackie]

57. Absurd character attacks ...

... it tells me that they are getting desperate. They see the same polls and delegate counts that everyone else sees. Bernie and his fans aren't stupid ... they're just hoping against hope for a miracle that will never happen.

[CalvinballPro]

60. Are you familiar with the term "psychological projection?" That's what they're doing. nt

[GeorgeGist]

62. Always?

[frylock]

63. SUBTEXT: Bernie supporters are perverts.

[In_The_Wind]

65. Seriously

[Cha]

66. Projection.. they excel at that. Good question, K.

[morningfog]

68. What's with your strange perversion getting off posting flame bait billshit?

[Lucinda]

69. Very good question, because it's certainly not true.

[timmymoff]

74. Almost as strange as people

portraying her as a democrat.

[hereforthevoting]

76. LOL

[bigwillq]

77. The Clinton camp has to be a little nervous

She should have wrapped this up weeks ago. Now it looks like it'll go to June 7.

[Firebrand Gary]

78. First, it's sexism. It's also standard political warfare. nt

[Vinca]

81. No offense, but what a stupid post and what stupid responses.

I've never heard a Bernie supporter describe Hillary as either nervous or scared. Ever. And when you post it - here we go again - all the Hillary supporters scream "sexism." I swear. You people are driving me out of my mind. Your candidate is a strong woman who would never cry "sexism," but you have a need to demean her and turn her into a whimpering softie.

[Hissyspit]

82. Oh, dear god...

I'm going catatonic. I'm not going to make it to the convention.

[Mike Nelson]

83. Maybe...

...it's an attempt to portray her as unstable? We don't want to "make her too nervous" because Hillary will lose cognitive skills? I'm not sure. I do think that Bernie probably didn't think it out that way - he just felt it and said it that way. At least, he used some humor in his delivery. If it's a pattern, maybe not... but, if it is planned to portray her as unstable, it won't work.

[rogerashton]

85. It's like this.

We keep hearing that H will take off the gloves and go after Sanders in New York and after. Why should she do that? If she is confident that she is winning, no need. Indeed I'm pretty sure it would be a mistake. So why make that mistake and "pivot" to a more negative campaign against Bernie? One hypothesis is that she is nervous that Bernie is gaining on her. Nervous people make mistakes. I would be interested in hearing an alternative hypothesis, if you have one.

[TheSarcastinator]

99. "Strange Perversion" is more like taking a ride on a convicted pedophile's personal jet

with several underage "massage technicians"...but hey, that's just me, I guess. You keep up the good fight, by all means.