So Bernie's "YUGE" Wisconsin win only netted him +7 delegates on the night?

[UMTerp01]

What in the hell? I think the process needs to be changed because this is when all the momentum talk gets smacked by a freight train by the facts of math. Perhaps the Dems need to go to some winner take all states or some proportional or all winner take all. I don't know. Hillary built such a lead early on that Bernie needed to win by like 30-40 points tonight and needs those kinds of wins throughout. The states coming with huge delegate chunks in NY, CA, PA, MD aren't going to net him that. The demographics alone won't provide him with that kind of win. But there is something to be said about his recent string of wins and if he somehow were to win a majority of states to close this thing out, even if its not by the margins he needs, he makes a case to at least try for supedelegates. I don't think it will happen if Hillary still has the pledged delegate lead but he would have more than made his case.

If you are a Hillary supporter it definitely benefits your candidate because you can just ride it out til the end even though your candidate might be limping to the finish line. You've got math on your side. If you are a Bernie supporter it kind of sucks that this proportional system makes it virtually impossible for him to catch up. Its how Obama won in 08. She just couldn't catch him in the end.

[geek tragedy]

1. Are delegate counts in? nt

[UMTerp01]

3. I saw it on Twitter from a political guy

He said Sanders will only net 7 delegates.

[geek tragedy]

9. NBC is estimating 15 delegates nt

[Carolator]

2. No. He has 45 right now and she has 31.

Difference of 14 delegates, 81% reporting per NYT.

[UMTerp01]

6. Oh ok. But still. Even if it ends up being +20...

It just isn't that big of a dent. So does the system need changing?

[Carolator]

7. He is on a roll.

Pretty damned close to the target.

Does the system need changing? Is the Pope named Francis?

[metroins]

28. Lol.

Close to target doesn't matter.

He lost on Super Tuesday 1.

BS can't make up the deficit and the Mid Atlantic will go all Hillary.

It was over weeks ago, for BS to continue requesting donations was and is disingenuous.

[Carolator]

34. I have heard this before.

Still not buying what you are selling.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. It is called proportional. Net 17 is not bad

He did over perform and this happens in NY...CA is definitely in play. I am waiting for the morning when all, or mostly all delegates have been added.

[metroins]

30. Lol. Over perform

He needed 16% or more to be on track.

[Carolator]

36. Wrong. He needed less than 57% and got 56.4%.

Stop reading bubble gum wrappers...or CNN banners.

http://34justice.com/2016/03/27/bernie-sanders-needs-less-than-57-percent-of-the-remaining-vote-to-win/

NYT says 98% in, and the remaining votes are mainly in counties heavily for Sanders.

[metroins]

37. 538 is trustworthy

Which stated what I said above.

[Carolator]

38. 538 is biased

As has been shown by their poor performance.

[metroins]

39. Lol.

They are fully unbiased.

I'm sorry if reality hurts but 538 is the gold standard.

[Carolator]

41. I'm sorry, but you are wrong about that.

538 has been very wrong this primary season.

They are in the bag for Hillary, and it shows.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/04/is-538-in-the-bag-for-hillary/

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/on-nate-silver-and-538s-12-2-clinton-house-effect/

[metroins]

42. Lol.

I'm sorry but TYT has no credence compared to 538.

I feel bad that you won't figure that out until early July.

[Carolator]

45. Who mentioned TYT?

I posted something completely unrelated.

[metroins]

47. Lol.

[Carolator]

48. Lol.

Feel better now?

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. Sorry but he did

Continue to laugh. For once my state will matter, for both parties mind you

[Trajan]

4. I think you are mistaken ....

The delegates have not been doled out fully yet .... It's not done yet ....

[Carolator]

43. There are 67 Congressional District delegates in Washington State that have yet to be awarded.

And you may recall Sanders crushed in that state.

[Cheese Sandwich]

5. How is it 7 delegates? I thought it would be more like a net 12 or 15?

[Carolator]

10. It's not 7.

It's 16 right now, 44 to 28, per NYT.

And it's not over. It keeps bouncing around.

You are probably seeing someone counting supers, which they are not supposed to do. There are 74 delegates in Wisconsin, plus 18 superdelegates.

ETA: They changed it back to 45 to 31. It keeps moving. WTF?

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Wait until the morning. Pro tip.

I do a procedural news story after each of these. Never do it the same night

[Carolator]

25. Okay, thanks.

I'll check back tomorrow.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

8. Right now Green Papers says it will be 43-33

But that was put up a while ago, I don't know if they updated it as the lead as been expanding. it doesn't look to be the case

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/WI-D#0405

[Carolator]

12. It isn't final yet.

NYT has 44 to 28, then changed to 45 to 31.

[Nonhlanhla]

11. So the complaint now is that the process is too democratic for Bernie to win?

Proportional assigning of delegates is a heck of a lot better than winner-takes all.

[UMTerp01]

14. Not a complaint as much as an observation of how pointless it all seems

If one candidate gets to a point where you still have many delegate rich states left to vote and its virtually impossible to catch them in the pledged delegate lead then its like whats the damn point? Basically, the name of the game is build your lead early and hang on.

[Nonhlanhla]

19. The damn point is democracy

Proportional delegates reflect how each state voted. Tally it all up and you get an approximation of the wishes of the people. I wish we had it in the GE (or better yet, simply majority vote), so that millions would not in effect be disenfranchised.

[UMTerp01]

31. Yeah thats true.

Does seem wrong to not get anything if you happen to lose by a single point. What about just having a series of debates and then just like there is one election day to elect the President, what about one day to elect a candidate from either party and it just be done? Makes me feel like my vote at the end of this month won't make a hill of beans.

[Gwhittey]

17. Silly Goose that person is a Hillary supporter

[UMTerp01]

18. Actually I'm undecided but thanks for playing N/T

[mcranor]

29. Really undecided? What's the big mystery? n/t

[UMTerp01]

35. I'm in the DC Beltway

I am in "the bubble" so to speak of DC politics. So I have been very influenced by the establishment. Whether its fundraisers and other political gatherings I've been to, I"m pretty entrenched in DC beltway politics. I see how it works. I started out solidly Hillary Clinton. But I'm just not so sure Sanders vision works in this country. The kind of socialism he's talking about I just can't see how he pulls it off in the United States. Thats the establishment talking. I'm 38. Its hard to break from it. I don't live way out in the west or way up north. I'm in the center of the political action so its like ingrained in me. Knowing how it works, I just don't see his vision as being realistic given Congress. They are great ideas so long as there is a realistic way to pay for them, which I'm still not convinced of. So its like the angel on one side and the devil on the other. Hillary to me represents more of the same, but I'm not convinced Sanders gets any big ideas pushed through with Republicans in control of Congress. So its that pragmatism keeping me undecided.

[w4rma]

40. It worked for FDR. And the Democratic Party is *still* riding FDR's coattails. (nt)

[UMTerp01]

44. Thats true but we're in such a different time

The Republican party has moved so far right, moved to be so obstructionist that it feels honestly like we could have many cycles of a Democratic President and a Republican Congress and nothing get done because of redistricting. People don't compromise anymore. This is why I don't feel buyer's remorse with Obama. He did what he could do with what he had. I think Bernie can do some things, or at least move us in the right direction though but I think some things will have to be done by the states. I don't see all state colleges being free. I see it as only being a possibility in blue states. Just like $15/hr minimum wage has been done in blue states thus far.

Can't compare FDR days to the way DC politics runs now.

[w4rma]

46. The more things change, the more they stay the same. (nt)

[Sheepshank]

52. great mantra for picking a candidate

.....not

[longship]

13. Blah Blah-de-blah de-blah-blah de-blah de-blah!!!!

[jfern]

15. I don't think we'll get final delegate numbers tonight

[jillan]

16. 14 so far.

[delrem]

22. This was a nice solid win.

56.3/43.4 -- 93% reporting so it will be +12.9 within a point.

I think that number coupled with the wipeouts in Washington, Alaska and Hawaii have created a new reality.
Even "pragmatic" people concerned only about non-issues like "electability" will be crossing over in droves. Actual liberals and progressives and left leaning thinkers will be empowered. I think numbers will shift even more radically in favor of Sanders in the coming few weeks and months.

I'm just so happy with these results!

[delrem]

20. It's up to political parties to establish the proper process in front of an actual election.

Not play it by ear with should have could have arguments as they watch themselves get fucked over by ... usually Republicans.

You want to go with black box machine voting. Then own it. Own your disenfranchisement since you chose it. If you don't like it, do the work and change it.
You want to drag out a year long circus with every venue different, then own it or do the work and change it.
This isn't the time for complaining about the formal procedures the party agreed upon in advance.

[UMTerp01]

21. Good point N/T

[dchill]

26. 14

[SoLeftIAmRight]

27. cut it out

lol

[SHRED]

32. Did this start with McGovern?

This super-delegate invention. This relatively recent creation of this type of delegate.

Did it start with the McGovern insurgency into the status quo Democratic Party at that time?

[G_j]

33. sounds about right

If I recollect.

[ScreamingMeemie]

51. Yes.

That is exactly why we have this mess. I thought I linked you to a great article on it the other day.

[SHRED]

53. Thanks but I don't recall