2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Won 50% of Women; Hillary 49%!
He also won 50% of registered Democrats! So much for him not winning closed primaries... Lol.
He also won 73% of independents!
He won every income bracket by significant margins under $200k. Hillary only won income brackets above that.
Hillary's Firewall is broken!
Full demographics here: http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/wi/Dem
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)bwahahahaha!!!
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Open primaries and caucuses are running out fast.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)when you don't like the data.
thesquanderer
(13,006 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)I'm in a state where we don't declare a party. If I had to register to vote in a closed state, you can bet I'd register as a dem so I have a say in who's representing the left, given that we really only have a two party system. I can't be the only person who thinks that way.
If he won half the registered dems in a state where people have no incentive to register a party affiliation, he's going to win more than half in the states where people have to register to vote in a primary.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(5,186 posts)?
onehandle
(51,122 posts)25% of the U.S. population has their primaries this month.
hereforthevoting
(241 posts)FFS he is more leftist on abortion!
me b zola
(19,053 posts)...Just BAM! I trust women with their own health care. No equivocation. No exceptions when he feels that women need big-brother in their examination room.
No need to take a poll to see how his beliefs will stand up to the voters desires. He states his position and encourages you to join him in the larger cause.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)reproductive health services. Hillary has done a ton of heavy lifting and advocacy over the years. SBS cosigns other people's legislation, and then tells audiences not to think about abortion laws. How kind of him to stick his neck out.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Does that count as "heavy lifiting?"
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Renaming a post office
Renaming part of a highway and some other totally non consequential thing.
Probably afraid not to take a firm stand on anything she couldn't talk herself out of.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)OTC status, aweome. Lecture me more, despite your ignorance.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)Hillary can at times sound as though she stands with us regular people, but when you get right down to it, its all word salad meant to lure regular people into her web.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And yet we continue to reject her. I guess we're all sexists who're going to hell.
Joob
(1,065 posts)It's making me itch like crazy. One time I literally had a tiny spider crawl around on the inside of my screen, and I use one of those big tv screens as my monitor. Agh.
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)I'll just say the bug is there to annoy Her supporters.
Joob
(1,065 posts)Mike__M
(1,052 posts)post #110, for example.
The subsequent appearance of bloody fly swatters, boots, spray cans, etc. was not very well calculated to win support for Her team.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts).
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)They try to get every little jab in that they can.
JVS
(61,935 posts)Hillary has a problem with men, at least in Wisconsin. She only got 35% of men's votes. Even though she also lost women, the bulk of the margin of victory here came from men.
In contrast there was no gender gap between Cruz and Trump. Trump lost both by the same proportion.
That's what I've seen too, she just doesn't do as well with men, and she does better with women.
tralala
(239 posts)shadowandblossom
(718 posts)Do you have a source on that though.
And hey, I'm curious, if it's right, why do you think that is?
tralala
(239 posts)
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As to why, IMO it's because "millenials" are left-wing, and Sanders is the most left-wing of the viable candidates.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)What the heck? Wonder why...
He does better with millenials and I think a part of it is because he's more liberal. I think that's a part of it.
Why do you think he does better with millenial women than men? I'm really just interested. If you don't want to get into it that's cool.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)shadowandblossom
(718 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)and he won 8 out of the last 9 contests. Clinton is going down, and she knows it.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts).
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)shadowandblossom
(718 posts).
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)entitled to lump them in with one another. Agreed?
Tarc
(10,601 posts)RampageSnipa586
(25 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(5,186 posts)Interesting comment.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)And a weak one at that.
Tarc
(10,601 posts)And Clinton would STILL come out on top in the pledged delegate count.
I think you really lack a perspective here on how this race is winding down.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Tarc
(10,601 posts)Just illustrating the extreme, and why Sanders has no chance to close that gap.
Math. Period.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Tarc
(10,601 posts)Sanders' bailiwick (old-timey word, look it up) were the states with either an open caucus, predominately white, or both. They were also mostly low-delegate counts, except for Washington.
We're all but done (Indiana I believe is the last) with those, as the calendar now turns to diverse states with piles of delegates, and they are also closed primaries, i.e. registered Dems only. These are the ones in which Clinton performs best.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)So I expected it in advance. Cookpoliticalreport definitely said things would go down this way and I think fivethirtyeight also said this would happen. So I wasn't surprised by his stream of wins, and neither of those people thought it would change anything. So...
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amborin
(16,631 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)It's a smear.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)Granny-Power!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)"Lelo Franki."
Love ya, me b zola! What we've seen over the years on DU we shall share with them!
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)...wait how much did he win African American voters by again?
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)TIA
w4rma
(31,700 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)And it assumes that every single one of them is a Native American. Many? Most? Probably. But that's not data which can necessarily be extrapolated to the whole state.
http://apps.mprnews.org/election2016/national/wisconsin-d/
100% of the Native Americans I know voted for Clinton but I wouldn't try to claim that is representative of the whole state. Hell, the small villages I live in had 6 times the number of votes as that whole county.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)There's no data which shows us. And the results of one county with a population of 4,500 people is not supportive of either.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)somewhere in the OP
a critical piece of information imo
On the other hand, it one wants to imply that data is nationwide, then omit the state.
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)Do you even know what a closed primary is?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)shadowandblossom
(718 posts)and 61% of men. Wisconsin has very good demographics for Sanders, and Texas liberals had better demographics for Clinton. Lets look at those numbers:
Under 30k = 72% Clinton
30-50k = 61% Clinton
50-100k = 54% Clinton
PS: Wisconsin has open primaries, not closed ones.
pss: we could probably find info from every state they won, respectively, that reflected something we we wanted to show... That doesn't mean it translates nationally.
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/tx/Dem
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)There is evidence that the GOP was part of the Dem vote as right wing judge ...anti gay...was elected at the same time. Wisconsin is an open primary. I lived there. The fact you mention independents shows this.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)others on the Democratic ticket or supported the Republican. Part of it could be crossover vote, the other part indifference to progressive issues... Kinda like the seven percent, or so, of Democrats who voted on the Repub. side in the open primaries in Michigan who were identified in exit polls.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/5/1511160/-Exit-Poll-15-of-WI-Bernie-voters-didn-t-vote-for-Kloppenburg
vintx
(1,748 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)For Bernie that is.