If Hillary has it in the bag, why would she risk upsetting/alienating Bernie supporters?

[Skwmom]

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Could someone please explain the logic to me? I'm not seeing it.

[riversedge]

1. So many Sanders supporters get upset over everything she does.

[morningfog]

18. That's not it. Good try though.

[bvf]

31. I disagree. It wasn't even a good try. n/t

[Buzz Clik]

23. No kidding.

[Rockyj]

45. Because she's at risk period.

[Sheepshank]

47. BINGO....the manufactured outrage is matched by the manufactured insulted/hurt feelings

she cant even brush her hair without someone getting offended here.

And so many have the nerve to talk about Trump being thin skinned.

[Goblinmonger]

50. Let's assume that's true (it isn't)

Does she think she can win the general election without us? Is that her gambit? I know she claims to be a horrible politician, but don't you think she's smart enough to know who she needs voting for her if she wants to actually win the Presidency? Just dismissing this rather large group of people doesn't seem like a good idea. Doesn't it seem like there is something she could do to try and make it so people might like her and vote for her?

[ViseGrip]

55. She sent staff out to say she will "disqualify him" and go after him.

Then Bernie will take care of it. I totally trust Bernie, like most, and don't trust Hillary, like most do not.

[riversedge]

67. LOL. You making stuff up does not make it true.

[SheilaT]

68. It is true that last night one of her campaign staff

said explicitly that going forward she was going to 'Disqualify him. Defeat him. Go after his gun record. Scorched earth now. Party unity later.'


Not made up.

I know, I shouldn't even bother to respond to a Hillarybot who thinks all factual things about her or her campaign that show her as something less than Saint Hillary is made up by her enemies. Nope. She does it all herself.

[TheBlackAdder]

2. Chris Christie had his reelection in the bag, that didn't stop pressure on pols to support him! nt

[Nanjeanne]

3. It's a question I've asked myself many times. Why not be gracious - after all - it's a done deal!

[geek tragedy]

10. what could Hillary do to assuage Bernie's supporters other than

dropping out of the race, endorsing Bernie, and apologizing for her entire career in public service?

[Nanjeanne]

16. She could not support fracking, not support the death penalty, not support regime change. She could

fire David Brock and dismantle her SuperPacs. She could embrace the idea of universal healthcare through a single-payer system that isn't a handout to the insurance companies. She could support a federal $15/hour minimum wage. She could speak out strongly against the settlements in Israel and how she would work toward a two-state solution. She could support reinstating Glass-Steagall.

That's a start!

[Dem2]

19. LMAO!!

Become Bernie, yes, we haven't seen any posts ripping her apart for taking on some of his positions.

Basically you are saying that there is nothing that she can do to make you stop hating her guts.

[Nanjeanne]

21. Oh no. I'd be happy to support her if she did take on his positions. But she hasn't come

out against fracking, against the death penalty, against regime change, against SuperPacs. Or for Glass-Steagall, for single-payer . . . or anything I listed so no need to do it all again.

And I don't hate her guts at all. I just don't align myself with her policies and I don't think her judgement has been sound. I believe the things she will get done are exactly the same things I don't want done - so don't put words in my mouth please.

But thanks for playing!

[HughLefty1]

24. Also we all know she will pivot on TPP...her corporate masters will demand it

Another reason to vote Bernie.

[Nanjeanne]

27. And means-test SS. And agree to raise the age of SS and Medicare.

[Sheepshank]

49. lol....why not just see that Bernie is elected...oh wait n/t

[daleanime]

66. +1

[geek tragedy]

20. She's not allowed to fire David Brock.

She doesn't support fracking, she supports local determinations on it, including approval only if the fracking meets a bunch of criteria that it rarely does.

death penalty--you're mad at her for supporting the death penalty?

She's not going to lie to you and say we can enact single payer on the federal level right away--Bernie Sanders told us in 2010 that it had to begin on the state level and not in Washington DC.

$15 very well may be too high for some areas with low wages and cost of living. If you think someone is a big meanie for holding that opinion, then the obvious retort is "why don't you support a $30/hour minimum wage for the nation?"

She is bad on Israel/Palestine, unfortunately that's also the mainstream position.

I disagree with her on Glas-Steagall, but her overall wall street regulation plan is actually pretty good. And you can even get transcripts.

[Nanjeanne]

25. And I have a candidate to support that I believe is on the right side of more issues - so why would

I support Clinton?

Yes I don't like the death penalty. I'm not mad at her. How silly. I support the candidate that is against killing.

I think Sanders is better on wall street regulation on fracking on $15/hour. I don't think someone is a big meanie for holding any opinion. I don't even know what that means. Why would I support a candidate over a candidate that I agree more with? Why would I support a candidate who's positions change so much I honestly have no idea what she would actually do and who I am very fearful of as far as her judgement on trade agreements, regime change, etc. When President Obama would agree to a Grand Bargain and means-test SS and increase Medicare and SS retirement age - why would I think Clinton won't do the very same things. She has given me no indication that she wouldn't and I believe Sen. Sanders when he says he won't.

Why do Clintonites not understand that Bernie supporters don't like Clinton's positions and many think she is simply a poor candidate that has much more baggage than Sanders in a general election?

[geek tragedy]

29. Hey, I didn't ask you what it would take you to switch sides.

I asked you what it would take for you to stop being pissed at her.

She's not going to adopt Bernie's platform, so what could she do to make it such y'all aren't constantly angry at her?

If the answer is nothing, then don't complain if she doesn't care that you're angry.

[Nanjeanne]

34. Ok - that's easy. Tell her to stop lying and condescending to me.

[geek tragedy]

39. oh, so you want her to stop campaigning

if that means disagreeing with Bernie Sanders.

[Nanjeanne]

43. No. She disagree with him. I like that. I like seeing the differences. Is lying the same?

[geek tragedy]

46. From the nature of my interactions with Bernie supporters, yes

any time she disagrees with Bernie they think it's because:

1) she's a rightwing monster;
2) she's the most corrupt person ever;
3) she's an inveterate liar

and of course, whenever she agrees with Bernie, it's because:

1) she's pandering
2) she's Stealing the Bern
3) she's lying and will double-cross everyone once in office.

the healing can't begin until the fighting ends

[Nanjeanne]

48. OK you win. No answer is going to give you what you want. I'm done.

[geek tragedy]

51. that's how we feel. nt

[kristopher]

30. Well said.

[Dragonfli]

44. Claiming the right to directly coordinate with a campaign is a two edged sword

She sure as hell can fire him.

[Armstead]

58. Forgive me for butting in, but I'm going to butt in

She doesn't support fracking, she supports local determinations on it, including approval only if the fracking meets a bunch of criteria that it rarely does.

Why not just ban it, but allow exceptions if a proposal is proven absolutely safe? Her approach strikes me as waffling in favor of fracking by making it possible as a by-right activity....Sounds trivial but makes a difference when it gets down to greedy zoning boards or state governments.

death penalty--you're mad at her for supporting the death penalty?

I am. I think it is morally wrong.

She's not going to lie to you and say we can enact single payer on the federal level right away--Bernie Sanders told us in 2010 that it had to begin on the state level and not in Washington DC.

Totally disagree with that. I would prefer any president set that as a goal NOW and fight like hell for it....and keep fighting like hell for it as long as necessary....even if it means "incremental" public option as a step. And even if the GOP votes it down. SELL THE DAMN IDEA AND ACTUALLY MEAN IT!.

$15 very well may be too high for some areas with low wages and cost of living. If you think someone is a big meanie for holding that opinion, then the obvious retort is "why don't you support a $30/hour minimum wage for the nation?"

The national minimum wage is a floor. But $15 is the minimum livable wage these days -- and unless it is national we will have areas keeping it low to attract cheapskate employers.

She is bad on Israel/Palestine, unfortunately that's also the mainstream position.

I agree, except I think the public does get frustrated with Israel's overreactions and intransigence sometimes.

I disagree with her on Glas-Steagall, but her overall wall street regulation plan is actually pretty good. And you can even get transcripts.

Her plan is basically what Bernie is saying, ex cept with a lot more words.

[dchill]

53. But that would truly make her...

A progressive who gets things done.

[Gwhittey]

4. Do count on a reaply

Only approved talking points of brock inc. Are posted to by most HRC supporters.

[ibegurpard]

5. maybe she actually thinks they really are Republicans?

Like many of the fools on this board?

[geek tragedy]

6. 1) Bernie supporters are already really pissed at her

2) they won't begin to stop being pissed at her until they've internally processed the fact that she'll be the nominee
3) the quickest way to make (2) happen is to smash Sanders in New York, Pennsylvania, and Maryland so that his supporters can't cling to hope.

Politics is a rough business.

Obama didn't do that in 2008, mainly because he didn't have that option.

[Skwmom]

89. You think internally processing the fact will make them stop being pissed at her?

[Avalux]

7. If she had it in the bag, she would be IGNORING Bernie and his supporters.

Hillary's actions tell us she's desperate, despite the official narrative.

[blm]

8. It's a puzzlement. I posted Monday that some on both sides are acting far too PRECIOUS for

politics.

The constant beratement OF supporters and BY supporters is absolutely stupid. I understand the newly engaged who are experiencing their first primary battle, but, those in the more-seasoned HRC camp taking aim at them are being extremely shortsighted, imo.

[salinsky]

9. I'm seeing a lot of theads with this same basic premise this morning ...

... but little to no substance.

Can someone point to what Hillary did or said that was so egregious.

The only thing I can come up with is she said Bernie is not really a Democrat ...

... and, that's kinda indisputable.

[onehandle]

11. You need to replace your title and text with 'nt' nt

[beaglelover]

12. Oh NO, can't UPSET the fragile Bernie supporters.

Jesus Christ. Bernie supporters really need to put on their big boy pants now. They love to dish it out all day long but when it's thrown back at them they retreat to their safe spaces and play the victim card. Unbelievable!!

[Goblinmonger]

54. That attitude will help as we approach the general election. n/t

[seabeyond]

13. Don't vote. Vote for Trump. I am damn tired of Sanders supporters holding vote up as hostage.

[bvf]

36. Who here said, "Vote for Trump"?

[timmymoff]

37. Who says they will cast a vote for Trump or any republican, why do you make those assumptions?

[Goblinmonger]

56. Yes. Those are the two options.

Thank you for making it clear for me/us.

for the impaired.

[Merryland]

77. I am so damn tired of Clinton supporters feeling ENTITLED to my vote

because I'm a registered Democrat & therefore MUST be loyal. Oh, and must FEAR Cruz & Trump more than I loathe Hillary.

[Sheepshank]

14. It appears to be that BS supporters look for offense at every turn

They are manufacturing extremely thin skins. I think they want to interpret everything as an insult to their sensibilities. It's gonna be impossible to avoid.

[Octafish]

15. ''They have no place to go.''

"Does anyone think they'd vote for Cruz or Trump or any puke in the fall? Please clap."

[Orsino]

17. She knows very well that the party muddles through when there are primary battles.

It'll be okay.

[tokenlib]

75. After over two decades..don't count on it..

..a lot of Dems have had it with the lesser of evil, moderate crap. They are tired of the New Dem/Third Way crowd and the Clintons. This is the year they may not fall in line. Hillary and her people may be in for a rude awakening.

[Buzz Clik]

22. How many Sanders supporters openly and loudly inform the world, "I will never vote for Hillary!"?

So, ask yourself -- why does HRC give a shit about the hardcore Sanders clan?

[bvf]

38. I don't know. How many?

[Goblinmonger]

57. I'm sure you have a list somewhere

just ready for when the much anticipated purge starts.

[Buzz Clik]

59. You're on it.

[Goblinmonger]

60. I don't remember saying that, but

I love being on lists.

[Buzz Clik]

63. ..

[Nye Bevan]

26. Because she knows that there is an overwhelming likelihood that despite all the huffing and puffing,

these folks will end up voting for her anyway. Especially when Bernie endorses her and campaigns for her.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

41. Don't quit your day job to go into bookmaking.

[Merryland]

79. actually I do my own thinking - Bernie's endorsement means not a whit to me.

She's going down.

[Nye Bevan]

85. It's certainly your prerogative to ignore Bernie's opinion

if you think that he is wrong.

[jwirr]

28. Her bags got a hole in the bottom?

[Jefferson23]

32. Because she LOST once before and will not take any chances and she is also going to

use the Republicans are WORSE than me mantra to get your vote. Risking alienating
voters now is irrelevant to her..if she loses the primary she will be finished in politics.
Be careful of people who don't want to be remembered as a two time loser.

She and her surrogates will be throwing anything they can, anything..lets recall
her Bobby Kennedy statements during the last race. She proved she is capable
of doing anything to win.

On edit: Lets remember she is capable of losing too and this is not over yet.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Problem is she probably does not

Same shit happened in 2008

[JoePhilly]

35. The perpetually disgruntled are always upset.

[bvf]

40. Way tautological, that.

[Waiting For Everyman]

42. Her corruption is going to swamp her campaign soon,

and she knows it. I'm pretty sure Sanders knows it too. And Obama.

A lot of shady stuff has been going on in ClintonWorld for a long time, and it's about to all hit the fan.

In answer to your question though, the more desperate she becomes the more stupid things she will do -- she doesn't hold up very well under pressure.

But it's true as you point out, she isn't acting like someone who is confident and assured of victory, and that is a huge tell in itself.

[BernieforPres2016]

52. The enthusiasm of Bernie supporters versus the lack of enthusiasm for her campaign

is a repudiation of Hillary and Bill, particularly by young people, and they're not taking it very well. They remember when they considered themselves young countercultural types and want to pretend they haven't become the sellouts they once despised.

A loss in New York would be a humiliation and a rejection of the Clintons. Bill basically acknowledged that last week.

[tularetom]

61. There are a lot of people who support Bernie simply because they dislike her so much

No matter what kind of sleazy crap she pulls, she won't win those people over. She'll only confirm their opinion of her.

It'll get worse as her desperation and paranoia grow.

[NCjack]

62. Running scared of Bernie. /nt

[WDIM]

64. Because Bernie is going to win the most States

Even if he falls short on the corrupt superdelegates he will win the most States and its going to show the corruption of the DNC and their rigged system. The oligarchs only want the illusion of democracy when democracy works against them they rig it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

65. I'm going with the most obvious explanation. She doesn't have it in the bag.

[GreenPartyVoter]

83. Occam's razor, and all that?

[Alfresco]

69. She assumes most are thinking adults and will do what's best for the party and country.

[SheilaT]

70. She is the Inevitable One,

and should be holding herself far above the petty politics of the primary season.

I mean, after all, Bernie couldn't possibly win a single primary or caucus. Well, maybe New Hampshire, but that's it. And once Hillary swept the South in Super Tuesday of course it would be all over for him and she could move directly into general election mode. Certainly he couldn't do well in a closed primary or caucus, could he? Oh, Colorado's a Western state, so it doesn't really count, and Minnesota is an open caucus and besides, it's right next to Vermont. And he's well behind in the polling in Michigan.

I could go on and on, but we all know what's been happening. I recall reading somewhere last fall that around March 15 everything would shift in Bernie's favor. And it has.

Right now she and her minions are terrified they're going to lose NY. As well the should be. He's going to win Wyoming big in a few more days, and then he'll spend a couple of weeks blitzing around the entire state of NY, while she holds some more fundraisers in the NYC area. Once residents of NY, especially in that vast wasteland outside of the NYC and Westchester County zip codes, once they get to hear what Bernie has to say, and don't have to cough up several thousand dollars to hear it, they'll understand who the better choice really is.

Oh, and I'm calling all of Upstate New York a vast wasteland out of affection, because I was born in Utica, and lived there and in a small town a bit north until I was 14. I've been back a handful of times, and just love that part of the country. It's just that too many people in or near NYC seem to think that nothing worth being aware of exists outside of them. They're wrong, of course. I likewise like NYC, haven't been to visit nearly often enough, but there is a great deal more to this country than it.

[Skwmom]

71. I loved NYC when I visited but coming from a small town upstate NY sounds really nice.

[SheilaT]

72. It was nice.

We moved out to Tucson Arizona when I was fourteen. Mom was getting us kids away from an abusive, alcoholic father. And of course Tucson was so incredibly different that it utterly changed me. I cannot begin to imagine what I'd be like or how my life might have gone had we not moved.

[Skwmom]

73. Glad to hear things worked out for you. Arizona is a beautiful place.

[SheilaT]

74. Far too hot too much of the year for my taste.

As an adult I lived four years in Phoenix and did not care for it.

Plus, it's gotten far more right-wing since I moved away from that city nearly 30 years ago.

Since I went to high school there I do attend class reunions, which is nice.

[Skwmom]

80. I went there a few times on business and vacation and loved the scenery.

[nichomachus]

76. It's called arrogance. That's her principal characteristic

Along with a sense of entitlement - and greed. Don't forget greed. The Clintons have been stuffing their pockets with money since Day One. What makes anyone think they will stop once they're in the White House again?

[lumberjack_jeff]

78. Yup! It's in the bag! Time to coast and work on that pre-convention tan. n/t

[99Forever]

81. Occums Razor says....

....it's because she KNOWS she getting her ass handed to her.

Give it up Clinton. You've already lost.

[killbotfactory]

82. The more delegates he has at the convention

The more clout he has to demand changes from the party.

And he's starting to put the fear of God into them.

[GreenPartyVoter]

87. Amen! #YouSpeakForMeBernie

[tabasco]

84. Because she's got a grubby, greasy, slimy, corrupt campaign manager.

It's the third quarter of the big game and her team is playing dirty to protect a lead. It's back-firing.

[Vinca]

86. She can't help herself.

The woman is a self-admitted terrible politician and doesn't know when to stop shoveling.

[frylock]

88. Because she knows it's not in the bag.