Senator Sanders only gained 3 delegates in Wisconsin

[KMOD]

Last edited Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:17 PM - Edit history (1)

if you include the Supers.

Just an FYI.


Edit to add a link:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/primaries/WI

Sanders 48 delegates, Clinton 45 delegates

[Buzz Clik]

1. Sanders has put the supers in play, so, yeah, we include the supers.

Nice update.

[Gomez163]

7. Sander has no chance at changing any supers.

They aren't going to support non Dems.

[ThePhilosopher04]

10. Of course he does.

Hide and watch. Hide and watch.

[FarPoint]

27. Loyal Democrats/ Superdelegates...

They will not support Sanders...a newbie who had never contributed or invested into Democratic Party. Just won't happen.

[Buzz Clik]

19. Particularly unelectable non-Democrats.

[Land of Enchantment]

26. No, they were decided by the DNC back in August 2015

when they were bought by 33 states. Go fish. And now you can join your friends in IGNORE.

[cherokeeprogressive]

23. Go ahead. Count chickens that haven't hatched yet.

[Buzz Clik]

25. Ok.

[Marr]

2. Look at your latest loss in any way you like. :)

[smiley]

3. You shouldn't include them since they haven't voted yet.

[drm604]

4. According to the New York Times, he gained 48.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/wisconsin

I think you may mean the he narrowed Clinton's lead by 3 delegates, not that he only gained 3.

But I'm not even sure of that. Since Hillary gained 38 and he gained 48, wouldn't that mean that he narrowed her lead by 10?

[Lucinda]

5. I think the correct net number is +6 Bernie when you add in her supers, +10 in regular, but

they apportion delegates weird in WI and there may have been changes I missed today as the dust has settled. They split some areas 3/3 because Bernies margins were not high enough. I think that would have been in Milwaukee.

[Gwhittey]

20. Wait so SD voted already?

[KMOD]

8. Yes, he narrowed her delegate lead by 10,

Chuck Todd reported that he only narrowed her lead by 3 if you count the Super Delegates.

[LiberalFighter]

28. Chuck Todd fails at how delegates are computed.

Sanders couldn't have narrowed the lead by 3 when the automatic delegates were included in the count prior to the primary. If the automatic delegates had declared their support during the primary on Tuesday he would be right. But that is not the case. So, technically Sanders narrowed the lead by 10. Personally, I consider the delegate count without automatic delegates should be the count to use to better gauge the outcome.

[kracer20]

6. Why haven't Washington's delegates been added yet?

Washington · 101 delegates
100% reporting

Bernie Sanders (won)
25
72.7%
19,159

Hillary Clinton
9
27.1%
7,140

[LiberalFighter]

29. You are probably using a source that doesn't know what they are doing.

Try The Green Papers. IMO they do an excellent job keeping up to date.

Total delegates for Washington by TGP is Sanders: 74 -- Clinton 27

[kracer20]

36. Thanks for the tip

My source was a Google search with results from the AP.

[LiberalFighter]

37. For some reason the media don't do a very good job regarding primary results.

[thesquanderer]

9. No super delegates were picked up yesterday.

Some people count supers from the day they announce, though they can change up to the day of the convention, so that is misleading.

Others don't count them until the day of the convention, when they actually fix their vote.

Either way, there's no rationale at all for suddenly including them on the day their state votes.

Since he got 48 new delegates yesterday, and she got 38 new delegates yesterday, he gained 10 delegates on her.

In terms of total delegates, including supers, Hillary has 42 for the state (32 pledged, 4 unpledged/changeable), which still has him leading by 6 (not 3). But the status of the supers--whether you count them or not--did not change. So either way, Sanders picked up 10 more than Hillary did yesterday.

(all figured from Green Papers)

[Tom Rinaldo]

11. Are those newly announced Supers, or were they being included in her delegate totals before?

It makes a real difference. If one were already factoring in the SD's who previously announced support for Hillary in her overall delegate total lead, like Tammy Baldwin, it would be double dipping to count them against Sanders gains last night.

[KMOD]

12. Not sure.

It's what Chuck Todd reported an hour ago.

[Tom Rinaldo]

15. I saw him say that last night also and I wondered about that then too

I suspect most if not all of those SD's were already announced supporters of Hillary. There would be news coverage of it I believe if suddenly 6 more WI Superdelegates came out for Hillary after the primary results came in. I think the Sanders camp would make a big deal of that if 6 Superdelegates waited for WI to vote before "deciding", and then went the opposite way from the voters there.

If I am right about this then I find this "spin" a little sleazy, because MSNBC and CNN have been tallying how far Sanders is behind in overall delegates - demonstrating how much he needs to make up. To then say he only gained 3 delegates when he actually picked up, what is it, eleven new ones is I think intentionally misleading.

[KMOD]

17. I checked the NBC delegate tracker, but I couldn't find any

State delegate counts.

MSNBC has WI delegates, Sander 48, Clinton 45, scrolling on the screen tonight.

[Tom Rinaldo]

24. Thank you for trying n/t

[LiberalFighter]

32. So far I have not seen any network announcements

actually showing the delegate breakdown. They either show a portion of the delegates won or delegates up for grabs and declare who won the state. The networks mislead the viewers.

Based on The Green Papers it should be
Sanders: 48
Clinton: 38 -- automatic delegates 4 -- Total 42

I don't know how they would had come up with 45 for Clinton.

[NWCorona]

14. Never miss an opportunity to double dip!

[DebDoo]

13. So how many times are you going to count the super delegates?

Cause they were already factored in the day Obama won his second term.

[mgcgulfcoast]

16. Seems like super delegates are a way to fix a race

I would like to see the super delegates have to support the state winner.

[LiberalFighter]

33. Automatic delegate comprise less than 15% of all the delegates.

Any candidate needs to demonstrate to the automatic delegates that their campaign is winnable and get them to buy into it. It doesn't help to have the automatic delegates tied into a candidate they do not believe in. Those delegates because of their positions are needed to provide the needed support to win. It doesn't help to antagonize the delegates when their support is needed.

[Demsrule86]

38. It still would not be enough

Bernie will lose and his constant attacks on Hillary hurt all of us.

[reformist2]

21. I know, right? It's so dishonest to include them among delegates won on election night.

But that's all the Hillary camp has left, is the illusion of inevitability.

[Matariki]

18. 48 to 38 in favor of Sanders

FYI

[Alfresco]

22. Hillary-42 BS-48 - 6 unpledged outstanding

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D-PU.phtml

Could be even when all is said and done.

[morningfog]

31. Your link shows 38-48. It will not be even.

[morningfog]

30. That is not true. Why lie? He netted 10 over Hillary.

48-38.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D-PU.phtml

[KMOD]

34. Why are you calling me a liar?

I realize the delegate count is 48-38.

However, NBC is reporting that it's 48-45 when Super Delegates are included. I have provided links.

[morningfog]

35. Yes. It's a lie. Super delegates are not attributed to states.

Bernie better 10 more delegates than Hillary last night.