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Senator Sanders only gained 3 delegates in Wisconsin (Original Post) KMOD Apr 2016 OP
Sanders has put the supers in play, so, yeah, we include the supers. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #1
Sander has no chance at changing any supers. Gomez163 Apr 2016 #7
Of course he does. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #10
Loyal Democrats/ Superdelegates... FarPoint Apr 2016 #27
Particularly unelectable non-Democrats. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #19
No, they were decided by the DNC back in August 2015 Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #26
Go ahead. Count chickens that haven't hatched yet. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #23
Ok. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #25
Look at your latest loss in any way you like. :) Marr Apr 2016 #2
You shouldn't include them since they haven't voted yet. smiley Apr 2016 #3
According to the New York Times, he gained 48. drm604 Apr 2016 #4
I think the correct net number is +6 Bernie when you add in her supers, +10 in regular, but Lucinda Apr 2016 #5
Wait so SD voted already? Gwhittey Apr 2016 #20
Yes, he narrowed her delegate lead by 10, KMOD Apr 2016 #8
Chuck Todd fails at how delegates are computed. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #28
Why haven't Washington's delegates been added yet? kracer20 Apr 2016 #6
You are probably using a source that doesn't know what they are doing. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #29
Thanks for the tip kracer20 Apr 2016 #36
For some reason the media don't do a very good job regarding primary results. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #37
No super delegates were picked up yesterday. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #9
Are those newly announced Supers, or were they being included in her delegate totals before? Tom Rinaldo Apr 2016 #11
Not sure. KMOD Apr 2016 #12
I saw him say that last night also and I wondered about that then too Tom Rinaldo Apr 2016 #15
I checked the NBC delegate tracker, but I couldn't find any KMOD Apr 2016 #17
Thank you for trying n/t Tom Rinaldo Apr 2016 #24
So far I have not seen any network announcements LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #32
Never miss an opportunity to double dip! NWCorona Apr 2016 #14
So how many times are you going to count the super delegates? DebDoo Apr 2016 #13
Seems like super delegates are a way to fix a race mgcgulfcoast Apr 2016 #16
Automatic delegate comprise less than 15% of all the delegates. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #33
It still would not be enough Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #38
I know, right? It's so dishonest to include them among delegates won on election night. reformist2 Apr 2016 #21
48 to 38 in favor of Sanders Matariki Apr 2016 #18
Hillary-42 BS-48 - 6 unpledged outstanding Alfresco Apr 2016 #22
Your link shows 38-48. It will not be even. morningfog Apr 2016 #31
That is not true. Why lie? He netted 10 over Hillary. morningfog Apr 2016 #30
Why are you calling me a liar? KMOD Apr 2016 #34
Yes. It's a lie. Super delegates are not attributed to states. morningfog Apr 2016 #35

FarPoint

(12,087 posts)
27. Loyal Democrats/ Superdelegates...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:44 PM
Apr 2016

They will not support Sanders...a newbie who had never contributed or invested into Democratic Party. Just won't happen.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
26. No, they were decided by the DNC back in August 2015
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:36 PM
Apr 2016

when they were bought by 33 states. Go fish. And now you can join your friends in IGNORE.



drm604

(16,230 posts)
4. According to the New York Times, he gained 48.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:50 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/wisconsin

I think you may mean the he narrowed Clinton's lead by 3 delegates, not that he only gained 3.

But I'm not even sure of that. Since Hillary gained 38 and he gained 48, wouldn't that mean that he narrowed her lead by 10?

Lucinda

(31,142 posts)
5. I think the correct net number is +6 Bernie when you add in her supers, +10 in regular, but
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:55 PM
Apr 2016

they apportion delegates weird in WI and there may have been changes I missed today as the dust has settled. They split some areas 3/3 because Bernies margins were not high enough. I think that would have been in Milwaukee.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
8. Yes, he narrowed her delegate lead by 10,
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:31 PM
Apr 2016

Chuck Todd reported that he only narrowed her lead by 3 if you count the Super Delegates.

LiberalFighter

(49,967 posts)
28. Chuck Todd fails at how delegates are computed.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:15 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders couldn't have narrowed the lead by 3 when the automatic delegates were included in the count prior to the primary. If the automatic delegates had declared their support during the primary on Tuesday he would be right. But that is not the case. So, technically Sanders narrowed the lead by 10. Personally, I consider the delegate count without automatic delegates should be the count to use to better gauge the outcome.

kracer20

(199 posts)
6. Why haven't Washington's delegates been added yet?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:19 PM
Apr 2016

Washington · 101 delegates
100% reporting

Bernie Sanders (won)
25
72.7%
19,159

Hillary Clinton
9
27.1%
7,140

LiberalFighter

(49,967 posts)
29. You are probably using a source that doesn't know what they are doing.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:19 PM
Apr 2016

Try The Green Papers. IMO they do an excellent job keeping up to date.

Total delegates for Washington by TGP is Sanders: 74 -- Clinton 27

thesquanderer

(11,890 posts)
9. No super delegates were picked up yesterday.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:33 PM
Apr 2016

Some people count supers from the day they announce, though they can change up to the day of the convention, so that is misleading.

Others don't count them until the day of the convention, when they actually fix their vote.

Either way, there's no rationale at all for suddenly including them on the day their state votes.

Since he got 48 new delegates yesterday, and she got 38 new delegates yesterday, he gained 10 delegates on her.

In terms of total delegates, including supers, Hillary has 42 for the state (32 pledged, 4 unpledged/changeable), which still has him leading by 6 (not 3). But the status of the supers--whether you count them or not--did not change. So either way, Sanders picked up 10 more than Hillary did yesterday.

(all figured from Green Papers)

Tom Rinaldo

(22,909 posts)
11. Are those newly announced Supers, or were they being included in her delegate totals before?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:38 PM
Apr 2016

It makes a real difference. If one were already factoring in the SD's who previously announced support for Hillary in her overall delegate total lead, like Tammy Baldwin, it would be double dipping to count them against Sanders gains last night.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,909 posts)
15. I saw him say that last night also and I wondered about that then too
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:49 PM
Apr 2016

I suspect most if not all of those SD's were already announced supporters of Hillary. There would be news coverage of it I believe if suddenly 6 more WI Superdelegates came out for Hillary after the primary results came in. I think the Sanders camp would make a big deal of that if 6 Superdelegates waited for WI to vote before "deciding", and then went the opposite way from the voters there.

If I am right about this then I find this "spin" a little sleazy, because MSNBC and CNN have been tallying how far Sanders is behind in overall delegates - demonstrating how much he needs to make up. To then say he only gained 3 delegates when he actually picked up, what is it, eleven new ones is I think intentionally misleading.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
17. I checked the NBC delegate tracker, but I couldn't find any
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 06:11 PM
Apr 2016

State delegate counts.

MSNBC has WI delegates, Sander 48, Clinton 45, scrolling on the screen tonight.

LiberalFighter

(49,967 posts)
32. So far I have not seen any network announcements
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:24 PM
Apr 2016

actually showing the delegate breakdown. They either show a portion of the delegates won or delegates up for grabs and declare who won the state. The networks mislead the viewers.

Based on The Green Papers it should be
Sanders: 48
Clinton: 38 -- automatic delegates 4 -- Total 42

I don't know how they would had come up with 45 for Clinton.

DebDoo

(319 posts)
13. So how many times are you going to count the super delegates?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:41 PM
Apr 2016

Cause they were already factored in the day Obama won his second term.

mgcgulfcoast

(1,127 posts)
16. Seems like super delegates are a way to fix a race
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:54 PM
Apr 2016

I would like to see the super delegates have to support the state winner.

LiberalFighter

(49,967 posts)
33. Automatic delegate comprise less than 15% of all the delegates.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016

Any candidate needs to demonstrate to the automatic delegates that their campaign is winnable and get them to buy into it. It doesn't help to have the automatic delegates tied into a candidate they do not believe in. Those delegates because of their positions are needed to provide the needed support to win. It doesn't help to antagonize the delegates when their support is needed.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
21. I know, right? It's so dishonest to include them among delegates won on election night.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:22 PM
Apr 2016

But that's all the Hillary camp has left, is the illusion of inevitability.
 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
34. Why are you calling me a liar?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:01 PM
Apr 2016

I realize the delegate count is 48-38.

However, NBC is reporting that it's 48-45 when Super Delegates are included. I have provided links.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
35. Yes. It's a lie. Super delegates are not attributed to states.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:09 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie better 10 more delegates than Hillary last night.

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