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Related: About this forumClinton Foundation Donors Got Weapons Deals From Hillary Clinton's State Department
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Israeli officials were agitated, reportedly complaining to the Obama administration that this substantial enhancement to Saudi air power risked disrupting the region's fragile balance of power. The deal appeared to collide with the State Departments documented concerns about the repressive policies of the Saudi royal family.
But now, in late 2011, Hillary Clintons State Department was formally clearing the sale, asserting that it was in the national interest. At press conferences in Washington to announce the departments approval, an assistant secretary of state, Andrew Shapiro, declared that the deal had been a top priority for Clinton personally. Shapiro, a longtime aide to Clinton since her Senate days, added that the U.S. Air Force and U.S. Army have excellent relationships in Saudi Arabia.
These were not the only relationships bridging leaders of the two nations. In the years before Hillary Clinton became secretary of state, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia contributed at least $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, the philanthropic enterprise she has overseen with her husband, former president Bill Clinton. Just two months before the deal was finalized, Boeing -- the defense contractor that manufactures one of the fighter jets the Saudis were especially keen to acquire, the F-15 -- contributed $900,000 to the Clinton Foundation, according to a company press release.
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187
*ON EDIT* More supportive information Courtesy of Eko:
The Saudi transaction is just one example of nations and companies that had donated to the Clinton Foundation seeing an increase in arms deals while Hillary Clinton oversaw the State Department. IBT found that between October 2010 and September 2012, State approved $165 billion in commercial arms sales to 20 nations that had donated to the foundation, plus another $151 billion worth of Pentagon-brokered arms deals to 16 of those countriesa 143 percent increase over the same time frame under the Bush Administration. The sales boosted the military power of authoritarian regimes such as Qatar, Algeria, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, and Oman, which, like Saudi Arabia, had been criticized by the department for human rights abuses.
Much much more at the link:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/hillary-clinton-foundation-state-arms-deals
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)think
(11,641 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)It's only going to get worse if she gets elected. The White House will have to install checkout stands. I wonder if they'll take Apple Pay.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Let American Express, VISA and Mastercard duke it out for the exclusive contract.
Chasstev365
(7,798 posts)NOTHING Hillary has ever done or said is wrong!
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)They donated to the Clinton Foundation by the millions!
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)May get damaged by HRC...makes one believe there truly was a lot behind her appointment to SOS. In the end she may still get her revenge. Of course she goes down,too. Sad state of national affairs.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)He's depending on Hillary to keep his programs going to secure that legacy. She obviously isn't interested in what he's doing except when it helps her.
That's a horrible bet, IMO, but it's all he has, so he'll have to go all in. This need for a legacy seems to be his greatest weakness- and everyone is exploiting it.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Look over there, there's nothing to see here. More GOP lies about the Queen.
Eko
(9,993 posts)"All you have to do is link any (of the millions) of official actions of the State Department and a donation to the Clinton foundation, and you write a story roughly titled X donor to Clinton foundation received generous Y from Clinton State department."
http://breakingtothink.com/2015/11/11/another-lie-about-hillary-debunked-about-those-arms-deals/
A fly-by-night wordpress site doesn't qualify as an authority on anything... much less as a credible source of information.
Have a mainstream source? One that doesn't try to twist imaginary connections?
Eko
(9,993 posts)and the mother jones article gives a link to their data. Here is the article http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/hillary-clinton-foundation-state-arms-deals and the link for the data is on that page which is from the U.S. State Department and Clinton Foundation donor data. I would be happy to link to it but the links is very long.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/hillary-clinton-foundation-state-arms-deals
Even more:
You're not winning an argument by proving my point... did you perhaps just miss it? If anything, you've added legitimacy to this OP. Thank you.
Eko
(9,993 posts)17 out of 20 who donated got an increase in arms deals, lets see 17 divided by 20 equals 85%, so 15% of the time a larger donation did not equal a larger arms deal. Huh, 15% is actually a pretty big deal when trying to prove that something was done because of donations, I wonder if there was a different reason? Probably not, I'm sure those countries were aware that they had a 15% chance that their "bribes" wouldn't work and thought those odds good. It is interesting to note that Ireland's 5 million "bribe" actually landed them with a net loss in arms deals, gosh maybe that was just money so that she wouldn't kill every person in Ireland. Algeria donated 250,000 and got a 274% percent increase, maybe Algerian money smells really really good or something. You see, to prove something there has to be consistency, and there just isn't with this conspiracy theory. By the way, I was not using mother jones commentary to prove my source, I was using their data of which Im sure was easy to overlook as I said "The data comes from a mother jones article,and the mother jones article gives a link to their data."
Thank you.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)So, you cherry pick just the information that suits you and stitch it together to say what you want it to, and think somehow that magically refutes the OP? I think the only one you're fooling here is yourself.
Thanks for disproving your own claim.
Eko
(9,993 posts)"Clinton Foundation Donors Got Weapons Deals From Hillary Clinton's State Department" and I showed where 15% of the time it was not true, so that makes the op not true. Thanks for playing.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Eko
(9,993 posts)However, some will see this "Clinton Foundation Donors Got Weapons Deals From Hillary Clinton's State Department" except for the 15% that did not, and be able to think for themselves that maybe this is not as clear as people think and that there is a reasonable chance that the increases were because of something else.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)The ones with an ounce of reason will realize that 85% of the time (you know, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of time), they can expect Hillary to do the wrong thing... and just generally be corrupt as hell. I'd say it was a nice try to spin it... but it really wasn't. At least you tried, though.... right?
Eko
(9,993 posts)that one could assert to 100% for why the arms went up? Or do you even care about that?
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)And I suppose you think that somehow discounts the corruption, or the article? Nope. Still not buying it. Doesn't pass the sniff test. And I'm done wasting time on you. Feel free to embrace your delusions of "she's not corrupt cause she didn't do it 15% of the time"
So long.
My position is that the donations have nothing to do with the arms sales but instead there are other factors that are being left out.
Eko
(9,993 posts)"Weapons sales by the United States tripled in 2011 to a record high, driven by major arms sales to Persian Gulf allies concerned about Irans regional ambitions, according to a new study for Congress."
"A policy goal of the United States has been to work with Arab allies in the Persian Gulf to knit together a regional missile defense system to protect cities, oil refineries, pipelines and military bases from an Iranian attack.
The effort has included deploying radars to increase the range of early warning coverage across the Persian Gulf, as well as introducing command, control and communications systems that could exchange that information with new batteries of missile interceptors sold to the individual nations.
The missile shield in the Persian Gulf is being built on a country-by-country basis with these costly arms sales negotiated bilaterally between the United States and individual nations."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/world/middleeast/us-foreign-arms-sales-reach-66-3-billion-in-2011.html
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Eko
(9,993 posts)to perceived, although Iran has been a major player over there for a while in Iraq and Syria, I don't think they are the boogeyman some people think they are. I was giving the reason that countries over there increased their arm buys per the congressional study.
Eko
(9,993 posts)"Arms sales by the U.S. jumped 35 percent, or nearly $10 billion, to $36.2 billion in 2014, according to the Congressional Research Service report, which analyzed the global arms market between 2007 and 2014. "
http://time.com/4161613/us-arms-sales-exports-weapons/
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Eko
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amborin
(16,631 posts)Zira
(1,054 posts)offshore tax havens.
Seriously, they were saying that kind of stuff yesterday. And, she's economically educated enough to avoid taxes and put it into tax haves, which is good - in Hillarian view anyway. I bet she's ticket that everyone isn't a turn your brain off and accept corruption person like her supporters. How dare people question her!
Avalon Sparks
(2,751 posts)Didn't bat an eye at the Monica witch hunt.
I've been with DU since Bush stole the whitehouse.
I discounted everything from the right wing smear machine.
Email server? Who cares.
Two for one Clintons in 2016..... What could be better?
What's in the speeches? Ho-hum
How many speeches? How much??? Who sponsored??? WTF?
And just like that, I'm done with them. It's corruption, it's accepting influence money plain and simple.
The amount of cash accepted, the frequency, the specific industries - financial, health insurance, Pharms, Defense industries, Oil and Gas.... It's systemic.
not only do they not have my back, they've accepted large cash payments to the tune of millions to push for and pass legislation that's likely to hurt my bottom line, and/ or well being.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)At least that's what's been said. That and "they all do it" and "put on your big boy pants" and similar crap.
Nope, sorry, this is a whole new level of sophisticated corruption.
And it's a family affair, with Chelsea taking $65,000 for a ten minute talk because the college couldn't afford mom.
And all that money goes to the "family foundation" where it "does good things".
Strange, because a lot of favors have been done for a lot of people and companies by the then Secretary of State and these same parties gave millions to the family foundation before and after their favors.
Add to all this, the ability to run for office and suck up additional support for all the "good work" your state department did.
Uh-mazing.
panader0
(25,816 posts)are starting to come to light. What a mess. Good luck HRC. The corruption is oozing.....
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)That would be hypocritical to proclaim one thing while distributing the very same item around the rest of the world . One could almost consider a character of that persuasion as "untrustworthy" at best .
Zira
(1,054 posts)Also:
Oil Companies Donated To Clinton Foundation While Lobbying State Department
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/oil-companies-donated-clinton-foundation-while-lobbying-state-department-2348832
Here's what I found with a quick google:
Clinton Foundation received subpoena from State Department investigators
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-foundation-received-subpoena-from-state-department-investigators/2016/02/11/ca5125b2-cce4-11e5-88ff-e2d1b4289c2f_story.html
jfern
(5,204 posts)The Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership in Canada takes a lot of money from disreputable people. Canada doesn't require that donors are disclosed. It then gives the money to the main Clinton Foundation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/1100-donors-to-a-canadian-charity-tied-to-clinton-foundation-remain-secret/2015/04/28/c3c0f374-edbc-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html