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Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:59 PM Apr 2016

Clinton Foundation Donors Got Weapons Deals From Hillary Clinton's State Department

Last edited Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:44 PM - Edit history (2)

Even by the standards of arms deals between the United States and Saudi Arabia, this one was enormous. A consortium of American defense contractors led by Boeing would deliver $29 billion worth of advanced fighter jets to the United States' oil-rich ally in the Middle East.

Israeli officials were agitated, reportedly complaining to the Obama administration that this substantial enhancement to Saudi air power risked disrupting the region's fragile balance of power. The deal appeared to collide with the State Department’s documented concerns about the repressive policies of the Saudi royal family.

But now, in late 2011, Hillary Clinton’s State Department was formally clearing the sale, asserting that it was in the national interest. At press conferences in Washington to announce the department’s approval, an assistant secretary of state, Andrew Shapiro, declared that the deal had been “a top priority” for Clinton personally. Shapiro, a longtime aide to Clinton since her Senate days, added that the “U.S. Air Force and U.S. Army have excellent relationships in Saudi Arabia.”

These were not the only relationships bridging leaders of the two nations. In the years before Hillary Clinton became secretary of state, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia contributed at least $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, the philanthropic enterprise she has overseen with her husband, former president Bill Clinton. Just two months before the deal was finalized, Boeing -- the defense contractor that manufactures one of the fighter jets the Saudis were especially keen to acquire, the F-15 -- contributed $900,000 to the Clinton Foundation, according to a company press release.



http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

*ON EDIT* More supportive information Courtesy of Eko:

In the years before Hillary Clinton became secretary of state, Saudi Arabia had contributed $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, and just two months before the jet deal was finalized, Boeing donated $900,000 to the Clinton Foundation, according to an International Business Times investigation released Tuesday.

The Saudi transaction is just one example of nations and companies that had donated to the Clinton Foundation seeing an increase in arms deals while Hillary Clinton oversaw the State Department. IBT found that between October 2010 and September 2012, State approved $165 billion in commercial arms sales to 20 nations that had donated to the foundation, plus another $151 billion worth of Pentagon-brokered arms deals to 16 of those countries—a 143 percent increase over the same time frame under the Bush Administration. The sales boosted the military power of authoritarian regimes such as Qatar, Algeria, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, and Oman, which, like Saudi Arabia, had been criticized by the department for human rights abuses.


Much much more at the link:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/hillary-clinton-foundation-state-arms-deals
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Clinton Foundation Donors Got Weapons Deals From Hillary Clinton's State Department (Original Post) Bubzer Apr 2016 OP
But she's never been influenced because of corporate money... Bubzer Apr 2016 #1
It's been a factor her entire life in politics. think Apr 2016 #3
The sleaze is never ending. nichomachus Apr 2016 #2
LOL azmom Apr 2016 #6
They will put the contract out for bid BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #42
Stop being mean! Chasstev365 Apr 2016 #4
All hail Queen Hillary!!! Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #7
Saudi Arabia got all those fighter jets fair and square! Bonobo Apr 2016 #5
That's right, a deal's a deal! No backsies after payment received. /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #9
I've never been a big fan of Obama, but to think his legacy libdem4life Apr 2016 #8
His "legacy" is in big trouble Hydra Apr 2016 #16
That's how it seems. She's scorching him, too. Onward to victory. n/t libdem4life Apr 2016 #17
The "beat" goes on. nt ladjf Apr 2016 #10
But, But, But, Bernie doesn't want to sue gun makers Politicalboi Apr 2016 #11
Why do people keep pushing republican smears! Eko Apr 2016 #12
... Bubzer Apr 2016 #13
The data comes from a mother jones article Eko Apr 2016 #15
Did you not bother to vet your own source? It confirms my post! Bubzer Apr 2016 #19
Yeah I read that also. Eko Apr 2016 #20
Reach anymore for that, and I'll have to call you gumby. Nope, sorry, not buying it. Bubzer Apr 2016 #21
Huh, the title is Eko Apr 2016 #23
No one with an ounce of reason is going to look at your 15% as a refutation of the OP. No one. Bubzer Apr 2016 #24
some wont for sure. Eko Apr 2016 #25
Sure! They'll be able to think for themselves... Bubzer Apr 2016 #26
I wonder is there is a reason Eko Apr 2016 #27
So your position is she's only corrupt with the overwhelming majority of donors? Bubzer Apr 2016 #28
No at all. Eko Apr 2016 #29
Im sure it was because of bribes and not percieved regional ambition by Iran. Eko Apr 2016 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #35
Changed the title Eko Apr 2016 #36
John Kerry must be getting bribes!!!!!! Eko Apr 2016 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #38
Yes, if only that were possible. Eko Apr 2016 #39
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #40
and from many other legitimate sources amborin Apr 2016 #41
or in true Hillarian speak - it's good business to take money underthe table and save it in Zira Apr 2016 #32
I danced in the street when Clinton won Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #43
Hey, Grow Up! This isn't croquet or badminton. Just real world politics as usual! CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #14
The many deals made by HRC as SoS that benefited the Clinton Foundation panader0 Apr 2016 #18
But they keep saying how anti gun she is . TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #22
If that's not money laundering what is? Zira Apr 2016 #31
Speaking of money laundering jfern Apr 2016 #34
She's corrupt to the core jfern Apr 2016 #33

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
2. The sleaze is never ending.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:06 PM
Apr 2016

It's only going to get worse if she gets elected. The White House will have to install checkout stands. I wonder if they'll take Apple Pay.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
42. They will put the contract out for bid
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:51 PM
Apr 2016

Let American Express, VISA and Mastercard duke it out for the exclusive contract.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
5. Saudi Arabia got all those fighter jets fair and square!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:08 PM
Apr 2016

They donated to the Clinton Foundation by the millions!

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
8. I've never been a big fan of Obama, but to think his legacy
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:14 PM
Apr 2016

May get damaged by HRC...makes one believe there truly was a lot behind her appointment to SOS. In the end she may still get her revenge. Of course she goes down,too. Sad state of national affairs.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
16. His "legacy" is in big trouble
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:37 PM
Apr 2016

He's depending on Hillary to keep his programs going to secure that legacy. She obviously isn't interested in what he's doing except when it helps her.

That's a horrible bet, IMO, but it's all he has, so he'll have to go all in. This need for a legacy seems to be his greatest weakness- and everyone is exploiting it.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
11. But, But, But, Bernie doesn't want to sue gun makers
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:17 PM
Apr 2016

Look over there, there's nothing to see here. More GOP lies about the Queen.

Eko

(9,993 posts)
12. Why do people keep pushing republican smears!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:20 PM
Apr 2016

"All you have to do is link any (of the millions) of official actions of the State Department and a donation to the Clinton foundation, and you write a story roughly titled X donor to Clinton foundation received generous Y from Clinton State department."
http://breakingtothink.com/2015/11/11/another-lie-about-hillary-debunked-about-those-arms-deals/

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
13. ...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:27 PM
Apr 2016

A fly-by-night wordpress site doesn't qualify as an authority on anything... much less as a credible source of information.

Have a mainstream source? One that doesn't try to twist imaginary connections?

Eko

(9,993 posts)
15. The data comes from a mother jones article
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:34 PM
Apr 2016

and the mother jones article gives a link to their data. Here is the article http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/hillary-clinton-foundation-state-arms-deals and the link for the data is on that page which is from the U.S. State Department and Clinton Foundation donor data. I would be happy to link to it but the links is very long.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
19. Did you not bother to vet your own source? It confirms my post!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:39 PM
Apr 2016
In the years before Hillary Clinton became secretary of state, Saudi Arabia had contributed $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, and just two months before the jet deal was finalized, Boeing donated $900,000 to the Clinton Foundation, according to an International Business Times investigation released Tuesday.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/hillary-clinton-foundation-state-arms-deals

Even more:

The Saudi transaction is just one example of nations and companies that had donated to the Clinton Foundation seeing an increase in arms deals while Hillary Clinton oversaw the State Department. IBT found that between October 2010 and September 2012, State approved $165 billion in commercial arms sales to 20 nations that had donated to the foundation, plus another $151 billion worth of Pentagon-brokered arms deals to 16 of those countries—a 143 percent increase over the same time frame under the Bush Administration. The sales boosted the military power of authoritarian regimes such as Qatar, Algeria, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, and Oman, which, like Saudi Arabia, had been criticized by the department for human rights abuses.


You're not winning an argument by proving my point... did you perhaps just miss it? If anything, you've added legitimacy to this OP. Thank you.

Eko

(9,993 posts)
20. Yeah I read that also.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:05 AM
Apr 2016

17 out of 20 who donated got an increase in arms deals, lets see 17 divided by 20 equals 85%, so 15% of the time a larger donation did not equal a larger arms deal. Huh, 15% is actually a pretty big deal when trying to prove that something was done because of donations, I wonder if there was a different reason? Probably not, I'm sure those countries were aware that they had a 15% chance that their "bribes" wouldn't work and thought those odds good. It is interesting to note that Ireland's 5 million "bribe" actually landed them with a net loss in arms deals, gosh maybe that was just money so that she wouldn't kill every person in Ireland. Algeria donated 250,000 and got a 274% percent increase, maybe Algerian money smells really really good or something. You see, to prove something there has to be consistency, and there just isn't with this conspiracy theory. By the way, I was not using mother jones commentary to prove my source, I was using their data of which Im sure was easy to overlook as I said "The data comes from a mother jones article,and the mother jones article gives a link to their data."
Thank you.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
21. Reach anymore for that, and I'll have to call you gumby. Nope, sorry, not buying it.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:21 AM
Apr 2016

So, you cherry pick just the information that suits you and stitch it together to say what you want it to, and think somehow that magically refutes the OP? I think the only one you're fooling here is yourself.

Thanks for disproving your own claim.

Eko

(9,993 posts)
23. Huh, the title is
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:32 AM
Apr 2016

"Clinton Foundation Donors Got Weapons Deals From Hillary Clinton's State Department" and I showed where 15% of the time it was not true, so that makes the op not true. Thanks for playing.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
24. No one with an ounce of reason is going to look at your 15% as a refutation of the OP. No one.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:39 AM
Apr 2016

Eko

(9,993 posts)
25. some wont for sure.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:45 AM
Apr 2016

However, some will see this "Clinton Foundation Donors Got Weapons Deals From Hillary Clinton's State Department" except for the 15% that did not, and be able to think for themselves that maybe this is not as clear as people think and that there is a reasonable chance that the increases were because of something else.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
26. Sure! They'll be able to think for themselves...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:57 AM
Apr 2016

The ones with an ounce of reason will realize that 85% of the time (you know, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of time), they can expect Hillary to do the wrong thing... and just generally be corrupt as hell. I'd say it was a nice try to spin it... but it really wasn't. At least you tried, though.... right?

Eko

(9,993 posts)
27. I wonder is there is a reason
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:02 AM
Apr 2016

that one could assert to 100% for why the arms went up? Or do you even care about that?

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
28. So your position is she's only corrupt with the overwhelming majority of donors?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:08 AM
Apr 2016

And I suppose you think that somehow discounts the corruption, or the article? Nope. Still not buying it. Doesn't pass the sniff test. And I'm done wasting time on you. Feel free to embrace your delusions of "she's not corrupt cause she didn't do it 15% of the time"

So long.

Eko

(9,993 posts)
29. No at all.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:12 AM
Apr 2016

My position is that the donations have nothing to do with the arms sales but instead there are other factors that are being left out.

Eko

(9,993 posts)
30. Im sure it was because of bribes and not percieved regional ambition by Iran.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:28 AM
Apr 2016

"Weapons sales by the United States tripled in 2011 to a record high, driven by major arms sales to Persian Gulf allies concerned about Iran’s regional ambitions, according to a new study for Congress."

"A policy goal of the United States has been to work with Arab allies in the Persian Gulf to knit together a regional missile defense system to protect cities, oil refineries, pipelines and military bases from an Iranian attack.

The effort has included deploying radars to increase the range of early warning coverage across the Persian Gulf, as well as introducing command, control and communications systems that could exchange that information with new batteries of missile interceptors sold to the individual nations.

The missile shield in the Persian Gulf is being built on a country-by-country basis — with these costly arms sales negotiated bilaterally between the United States and individual nations."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/world/middleeast/us-foreign-arms-sales-reach-66-3-billion-in-2011.html

Response to Eko (Reply #30)

Eko

(9,993 posts)
36. Changed the title
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:46 AM
Apr 2016

to perceived, although Iran has been a major player over there for a while in Iraq and Syria, I don't think they are the boogeyman some people think they are. I was giving the reason that countries over there increased their arm buys per the congressional study.

Eko

(9,993 posts)
37. John Kerry must be getting bribes!!!!!!
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:09 AM
Apr 2016

"Arms sales by the U.S. jumped 35 percent, or nearly $10 billion, to $36.2 billion in 2014, according to the Congressional Research Service report, which analyzed the global arms market between 2007 and 2014. "
http://time.com/4161613/us-arms-sales-exports-weapons/

Response to Eko (Reply #37)

Response to Eko (Reply #39)

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
32. or in true Hillarian speak - it's good business to take money underthe table and save it in
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:38 AM
Apr 2016

offshore tax havens.

Seriously, they were saying that kind of stuff yesterday. And, she's economically educated enough to avoid taxes and put it into tax haves, which is good - in Hillarian view anyway. I bet she's ticket that everyone isn't a turn your brain off and accept corruption person like her supporters. How dare people question her!

Avalon Sparks

(2,751 posts)
43. I danced in the street when Clinton won
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 06:15 PM
Apr 2016

Didn't bat an eye at the Monica witch hunt.

I've been with DU since Bush stole the whitehouse.

I discounted everything from the right wing smear machine.

Email server? Who cares.

Two for one Clintons in 2016..... What could be better?

What's in the speeches? Ho-hum

How many speeches? How much??? Who sponsored??? WTF?

And just like that, I'm done with them. It's corruption, it's accepting influence money plain and simple.

The amount of cash accepted, the frequency, the specific industries - financial, health insurance, Pharms, Defense industries, Oil and Gas.... It's systemic.

not only do they not have my back, they've accepted large cash payments to the tune of millions to push for and pass legislation that's likely to hurt my bottom line, and/ or well being.

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
14. Hey, Grow Up! This isn't croquet or badminton. Just real world politics as usual!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:31 PM
Apr 2016


At least that's what's been said. That and "they all do it" and "put on your big boy pants" and similar crap.

Nope, sorry, this is a whole new level of sophisticated corruption.

And it's a family affair, with Chelsea taking $65,000 for a ten minute talk because the college couldn't afford mom.

And all that money goes to the "family foundation" where it "does good things".

Strange, because a lot of favors have been done for a lot of people and companies by the then Secretary of State and these same parties gave millions to the family foundation before and after their favors.

Add to all this, the ability to run for office and suck up additional support for all the "good work" your state department did.

Uh-mazing.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
18. The many deals made by HRC as SoS that benefited the Clinton Foundation
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:47 PM
Apr 2016

are starting to come to light. What a mess. Good luck HRC. The corruption is oozing.....

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
22. But they keep saying how anti gun she is .
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:27 AM
Apr 2016

That would be hypocritical to proclaim one thing while distributing the very same item around the rest of the world . One could almost consider a character of that persuasion as "untrustworthy" at best .

jfern

(5,204 posts)
34. Speaking of money laundering
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:41 AM
Apr 2016

The Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership in Canada takes a lot of money from disreputable people. Canada doesn't require that donors are disclosed. It then gives the money to the main Clinton Foundation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/1100-donors-to-a-canadian-charity-tied-to-clinton-foundation-remain-secret/2015/04/28/c3c0f374-edbc-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html

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