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KMOD

(7,906 posts)
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:40 PM Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders is not qualified to be President of the United States

There is far too much at stake in this Presidential Election.

The Supreme Court is hanging in the balance.

Civil rights and equal justice desperately need to be addressed.

Abortion rights are being eroded.

LGBT rights are constantly under attack.

We still need to improve Health care and Health care access.

We still need sensible solutions to handle Climate change.

College debt is a huge problem.

Addressing poverty, housing and education is at a critical point.

Global conflicts are real and will require sensible, knowledgeable and realistic dialogue and plans.

And as always, we need to improve the economy.

Bernie Sanders platform is weak, and does not do enough to address these many issues.

Hillary Clinton is the only candidate who has the experience, knowledge and experience to start tackling these issues on day one.

This isn't a game. This is real life. And this Bernie Sanders movement is selfish, ignorant and dangerous. Enough.

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Bernie Sanders is not qualified to be President of the United States (Original Post) KMOD Apr 2016 OP
He is qualified to be president. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #1
You alone don't make that determination. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #3
labels mean nothing to us Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #9
Based of some of your posts.... phleshdef Apr 2016 #12
vast majority of democrats disagree with you geek tragedy Apr 2016 #14
Bernie is a true New Deal democrat. It was the Clinton era that pulled the party away from that. phleshdef Apr 2016 #35
The party will embrace the ideas. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #39
They better embrace him or lose new, young voters he inspires. phleshdef Apr 2016 #44
Qualified? KMOD Apr 2016 #15
He's an angry loser who will never be president. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #17
Hillary's not a loser because her M.O. is that she is both bought and buys influence. JudyM Apr 2016 #21
She will be #45. He will go back to Vermont. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #23
And you are The Oracle of All Knowledge And Wisdom JudyM Apr 2016 #24
No just an observer of the obvious. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #25
Observing does not equate to understanding. JudyM Apr 2016 #26
Just watch. No one will defend Sanders on this. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #29
Nice, now you are channeling Trump. phleshdef Apr 2016 #37
You might tell that to your candidate. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #41
My candidate doesn't throw childish tantrums when questioned by young, Green Peace activists. phleshdef Apr 2016 #45
No he throws an entire campaign of them. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #48
Sexist? You are so full of absolute shit. phleshdef Apr 2016 #50
Saying Hillary Clinton isn't qualified is most geek tragedy Apr 2016 #52
You are insulting the feminist cause with your absolute nonsense. phleshdef Apr 2016 #53
Disqualify does not mean unqualified geek tragedy Apr 2016 #58
"She was unqualified." >>> By your standards, you are a sexist. phleshdef Apr 2016 #63
Sarah Palin was genuinely unqualified. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #64
Well I posted a thread earlier that said both are qualified. phleshdef Apr 2016 #65
He was not defending himself. He dived into the gutter to attack her. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #66
He didn't implode. Clinton has already said mean things about him. phleshdef Apr 2016 #67
Yup. KMOD Apr 2016 #38
We know your opinion. berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #4
and i don't think she is Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #5
He certainly is qualified Dem2 Apr 2016 #6
One of our candidates are supremely qualified. KMOD Apr 2016 #16
In your opinion Dem2 Apr 2016 #19
That's weird. KMOD Apr 2016 #34
I am weird! Dem2 Apr 2016 #56
How is she qualified to manage conflicts, given Iraq, Libya and Syria? CanadaexPat Apr 2016 #7
There is no other Presidential Candidate more better prepared KMOD Apr 2016 #18
Handle, or start? CanadaexPat Apr 2016 #20
I feel just the opposite as you. nt The Midway Rebel Apr 2016 #8
Wow. All that and no reason why he was supposedly not qualified... Sheesh revbones Apr 2016 #10
Hillary doesn't get any points for her LGBT record from me as a gay person. seattleite Apr 2016 #11
Funny thing when I look at your list. dogman Apr 2016 #13
Bernie is ignorant and dangerous. KMOD Apr 2016 #28
This borders on silliness, sorry. sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #55
Oh dear, KMOD Apr 2016 #61
No kidding. Good response. I agree completely. Jarqui Apr 2016 #42
Bernie Sanders is qualified to be President of the United States cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #22
He is not presidential material in any way. He's an embarrassment Nt Sheepshank Apr 2016 #27
Indeed. KMOD Apr 2016 #30
Good lord, get the sniffing salts. What a bunch of hyperbolic tripe. morningfog Apr 2016 #31
Bernie and his supporters are very aware this is not a game. They are in it for the Presidency bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #32
I agree with your concerns. smiley Apr 2016 #33
Thank you for creating a checklist SheenaR Apr 2016 #36
OK KMOD Apr 2016 #43
Not a GAME? Oh jeez, but we were having so much fun protesting!! Come on!! Bonobo Apr 2016 #40
I'm sick of it. KMOD Apr 2016 #46
That's too bad ibegurpard Apr 2016 #51
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #54
I am so far beyond sick of Hillary that I haven't the words. Bonobo Apr 2016 #62
Lol. no really, lol. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #47
He's qualified for president mythology Apr 2016 #49
All counts are important.. Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #57
He has foresight SHRED Apr 2016 #59
I love these kinds of posts. frylock Apr 2016 #60

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
3. You alone don't make that determination.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:42 PM
Apr 2016

For my part I don't think Hillary Clinton qualifies to be a Democrat with her proud conservative values.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. vast majority of democrats disagree with you
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:05 PM
Apr 2016

and your Hillary Hating Hero.

He can watch the convention from Vermont.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
35. Bernie is a true New Deal democrat. It was the Clinton era that pulled the party away from that.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:29 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders is just trying to pull it back. And the party better embrace that, nominee Clinton or not, or we are done for.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
44. They better embrace him or lose new, young voters he inspires.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:32 PM
Apr 2016

I'll hold my nose and vote against the Republican in November, no matter what. But I'm about 3 years away from being 40 years old. I understand whats at stake. If the party understands whats at stake, they better not shit on Bernie when this is all over or we will be in serious trouble.

The difference between you and I is I'm not so blinded by loyalty to my candidate to see these bigger pictures.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
48. No he throws an entire campaign of them.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:38 PM
Apr 2016

Very angry man who decided to go sexist in a desperate attempt to salvage his pathetic, angry, bitter losing campaign.

Looking forward to seeing him drummed out of public life.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
50. Sexist? You are so full of absolute shit.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:39 PM
Apr 2016

There is nothing sexist about it. And you don't think there is either. You aren't stupid.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
52. Saying Hillary Clinton isn't qualified is most
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:43 PM
Apr 2016

certainly a sexist dog whistle.

He didn't say she had the wrong ideas. He said she was not qualified.

He and his BernieBros Devine and Weaver knew what they were doing.

They'll raise quite a bit of money off of this.

Glad I don't have to decide whether to vote for him in the fall.

Angry demagogues always show their true selves.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
53. You are insulting the feminist cause with your absolute nonsense.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:47 PM
Apr 2016

First off, her campaign leaked last night that they were going to paint HIM as disqualified.

Secondly, he never once alluded to or said anything about her being disqualified because of her gender. You are pulling that completely out of your ass. You play loose and thin with the concept of honesty and that says a whole lot more about you than it does about ANY other candidate. You have no credibility at this juncture. NONE.

When people said Palin was disqualified, was that dog whistle sexism?

Answer honestly, yes or no.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
58. Disqualify does not mean unqualified
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016

And Sarah Palin was a nitwit with no real relevant experience or time on the national stage.

She was unqualified.

He is going to pay a heavy price for this juvenile stunt of his.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
63. "She was unqualified." >>> By your standards, you are a sexist.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:45 PM
Apr 2016

And disqualified and unqualified do mean the same thing in the context of the banter going back and forth between the 2 campaigns.

You are losing this argument.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
65. Well I posted a thread earlier that said both are qualified.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:52 PM
Apr 2016

Both meaning Clinton and Sanders.

But my point is, Bernie is fighting back against her campaign's announcement that they are going to paint him as unqualified. You act like he has no right to fight back.

Personally, I wish he wouldn't get down in the muck with the Clinton campaign, but that is what is happening and there is nothing sexist about any of the reasons he cited for his "no, she is unqualified" speech. He articulated his reasoning based on her Wall Street ties and her hawkish national security views. That is NOT sexist and you look desperate for claiming as such.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
66. He was not defending himself. He dived into the gutter to attack her.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:58 PM
Apr 2016

Do you really think he could handle Trump if a press report that Clinton planned to say mean things about him caused him to implode like this?

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
67. He didn't implode. Clinton has already said mean things about him.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

And Sanders has been very disciplined in not going against her on non-issues. The Clinton baggage runs deep and he has stayed away from that baggage for the most part. We all know it, even if we don't want to admit it. I don't have a lot against the Clinton's personally, and I've always said, I'll vote for her in November, I'm not a fucking idiot.

Aside from that, Bernie could unleash against Donald Trump in a way that far goes beyond ANYTHING he has said about Hillary Clinton and most of the country would cheer him for it. Donald Trump is dog shit. There is no doubt in my mind that Bernie could justifiably call Donald Trump "unqualified" and it would actually be accepted as true.

Response to KMOD (Original post)

Dem2

(8,164 posts)
19. In your opinion
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:10 PM
Apr 2016

Opinions vary - "qualification" isn't even on my radar, and no amount of bickering will change my view of this topic. If one of them is secretly a child molester or murderer, then I might reconsider.

Dem2

(8,164 posts)
56. I am weird!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016

I like both of our candidates.

I don't like attacking either Democratic candidate.


Sucks being a Democrat here at times.

CanadaexPat

(496 posts)
7. How is she qualified to manage conflicts, given Iraq, Libya and Syria?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:44 PM
Apr 2016

The next President will need to clean up her messes on Day One. And that's real life - just ask the people in those countries who have seen her work up close.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
18. There is no other Presidential Candidate more better prepared
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:09 PM
Apr 2016

to handle the foreign conflicts.

As a bonus, Hillary Clinton is respected and admired by World Leaders and citizens around the globe.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
10. Wow. All that and no reason why he was supposedly not qualified... Sheesh
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:47 PM
Apr 2016

Nothing but a few insults to both Sanders and his supporters.


"Enough." Indeed.

 

seattleite

(79 posts)
11. Hillary doesn't get any points for her LGBT record from me as a gay person.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:49 PM
Apr 2016

The mystery to me is how people can be so delusional as to think putting a status quo politician in the White House is appropriate. Hello, millions of people are dissatisfied with the current state of affairs and voting for a FASCIST. Wake the fuck up!

dogman

(6,073 posts)
13. Funny thing when I look at your list.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:52 PM
Apr 2016

"Civil rights and equal justice desperately need to be addressed."-Who supports the death penalty?
"Abortion rights are being eroded."-Who says we must be willing to limit late term abortions?
"LGBT rights are constantly under attack."-Who was attacking them until the last few years?
"We still need to improve Health care and Health care access."-Who says slowly and incrementally and leave the parasites to profit?
"College debt is a huge problem."-Who wants to spread your debt over 20 years?
"We still need sensible solutions to handle Climate change."- Who wants to continue fracking?
"Global conflicts are real and will require sensible, knowledgeable and realistic dialogue and plans."-Who is more likely to go to war?
Who is ignorant and dangerous?

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
28. Bernie is ignorant and dangerous.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:25 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary Clinton does not support State sanctioned death penalties.

You would be hard pressed to find a woman willing to terminate in her 8th or 9th month of pregnancy, unless her health or the fetus's heath was in danger.

Hillary Clinton has been a big supporter of LGBT rights.

I have no idea what you are referring to with health care. Surely you must know she has been a huge advocate for it for decades.

Bernie's college debt plan is a fantasy. Hillary is offering real help.

I'm in disagreement with Hillary on fracking. I am not for it at all. However, in order to get off of fossil fuels we need a real source of energy to take it's place. Fracking, which I do not care for, is cleaner than coal. We need a lot more attention and resources to get there.

Bernie is against fracking, and against nuclear. That's great, but where does he imagine we will get our energy from? We are still far away from Solar and Wind power.

Hillary is not a war hawk, and I'm tired of this implication. She has been exceptional in promoting dialogue and getting people to the table to work out differences. Nobody does that better.

Bernie is ignorant and dangerous.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
55. This borders on silliness, sorry.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:48 PM
Apr 2016

1) She talked about the unborn child (R talking point)
She knows how to use her words, so no excuse.

2) Until 2013 she was a strong supporter of marriage
between a man and a woman only. (R talking points)

3) Her healthcare plans always supported private
insurance companies as well as big Pharma. She
may call that universal or not.
4)Why do you call Bernie's college plan a fantasy,
when it was almost clearly there before Raygun
stopped it in CA? Her program is minimalist.
5) The planet, including you, cannot wait for incrementalism,
we need a serious Manhatten project for this.
6) no, she did not promote dialogue, her speech about
Iraq, her push about Libya, her insistence to get
militarily involved in Syria point to the exact opposite.

Lastly, Bernie is neither naive nor ignorant. He has shown

to show very good judgment in comparison to hers, including

her idiotic one about a private server for SoS business.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
61. Oh dear,
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:03 PM
Apr 2016

1. Chuck Todd called it an unborn child.

2. http://www.hrc.org/blog/human-rights-campaign-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president

3. Blowing up all of our progress in health care will hurt so many people. This is a huge issue for me. But you don't kill all the progress we have made and start from zero to try again. This is a life or death issue.


4. Because it is a fantasy. C'mon, use you head here.

5. We also need energy. The public will not give it up there power.

6. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-garners-award-for-role-in-easing-the-northern-ireland-conflict/2015/03/16/d80780f6-cbf6-11e4-a2a7-9517a3a70506_story.html

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Jarqui

(10,053 posts)
42. No kidding. Good response. I agree completely.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:31 PM
Apr 2016

I think Bernie's point about judgement is a good one.
- Iraq War
- Panama Free Trade,
- very few flip-flops for Bernie - was on the side of right out the gate while Hillary is riddled with flip-flops

Who is more susceptible to blackmail? The Clinton with all their scandals and the Clinton Foundation or Bernie. It's pretty obvious.

Who is more honest and trustworthy. Hands down, Bernie with hundreds of polls to back that up.

We could go on and on.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
31. Good lord, get the sniffing salts. What a bunch of hyperbolic tripe.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:26 PM
Apr 2016

You never expected him to get this far and now you are all in fits. Good stuff.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
32. Bernie and his supporters are very aware this is not a game. They are in it for the Presidency
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016

and she is the one playing games, lying, debating unethically and trashing Bernie.

smiley

(1,432 posts)
33. I agree with your concerns.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016

And the stakes are high. That's why not supporting Bernie, and settling for Hillary is IMO an incredibly selfish, and dangerous decision. We have a chance in a lifetime to elect a true progressive and that is not Hillary.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
40. Not a GAME? Oh jeez, but we were having so much fun protesting!! Come on!!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:30 PM
Apr 2016

Let us have a little more fun, please!!!

We're just goofing around, we're kids after all!

It's just a game, man! Let us play!!

Fucking condescending bullshit, KMOD. No wonder where that tone came from though.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
46. I'm sick of it.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:35 PM
Apr 2016

You want to talk about condescending?

Bernie Sanders whole campaign has been full of it.

He's a clueless, ignorant, buffoon. And I've had enough.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
51. That's too bad
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:40 PM
Apr 2016

Because its not going to end anytime soon. Your disgusting amoral candidate is not going to walk away with this.

Response to ibegurpard (Reply #51)

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
62. I am so far beyond sick of Hillary that I haven't the words.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:22 PM
Apr 2016

She's a the fakest, most callous and cynical and nauseatingly amoral politician I have ever seen run for the Democratic nomination in 30 years.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
49. He's qualified for president
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:38 PM
Apr 2016

Here are the requirements:

The Constitution gives three eligibility requirements to be president: one must be 35 years of age, a resident "within the United States" for 14 years, and a "natural born Citizen," a term not defined in the Constitution.

Sanders meets them.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
57. All counts are important..
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016

That's why Bernie is the ONLY qualified candidate for the post.

With Hillary, SCOTUS will not repeal Citizens United.

Hillary fails on every single count, and her electability is far weaker than Bernie Sanders in matchups.

Bernie Sanders plattform is stronger than Hillary's, and he's not corrupted like she is. Besides, these issues you address has never been issues Hillary has really cared about.

She don't care about PoC, only their votes.
She is against universal healthcare.
She didn't care about LGBT rights until 2010.

She has been a part of the problem with global conflict.
She is not realistic, nor is she liberal in her approach. She is a war hawk with so many blemishes on her foreign policy record, they should have landed her in a war crimes tribunal together with the Bush crime family.

She has experience in corruption and destroying othert countries.
She certainly feels more at home with NRA lobbyists, Wall Street and arms dealers than with young activists asking simple questions or black kids asking tough questions about her racial dog whistle in the 90's. She's more tired of leftists than donors and voters.

Besides, she plays dirty and plays the victim when being hit back with truths about how she is not qualified to be president.
She will NOT draw new voters in. Instead, she is doing her best to alienate millions of voters.




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