2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLots of people turning from Hillary to Bernie after she said she would disqualify and discredit him.
Wow, On my Facebook, there are many, many people who are angry after hearing the turn her campaign would take and how she would discredit and disqualify Senator Sanders.
They are now supporting Sanders and hope he lobs it right back at her. This is like the sixth time this has happened.
Oh my.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Oh my.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)We all know that Sanders will only win Vermont, and maybe one other state. Look at all those endorsements Clinton has garnered: that should tell us how well she will course to the nomination. It is...
OK, so maybe he won a few more states, but still those complacent millennials, Hell-bound Sluts lusting after Berbie-Bros who are sexist and racist, they have nothing on Clinton. Just you wait until...
OK, we will move the goalposts a few more times, but it will all be over by March 5 - some time later in March - OK, but Wisconsin is in the bag for Clinton...
Anyway, the point is that Clinton is supposed to be inevitable, so anything you read on the Internet is a right-wing conspiracy or negligeable hearsay, unless it is pro-Clinton. But that almost never happens so all the Internet is now a sexist conspiracy by Trump-humping basement-dwellers.
Also 9/11 and a gender.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)I just repeat them slightly more explicitly...
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Bull shit on the fb posts
And bullshit that a single solitary statement is any sort of a catalyst for a mass change in votes.
And bullshit that any supporter for any side is going to be *this* thin skinned, without already being predisposed to manufacturing outrage on a whim
cui bono
(19,926 posts)are what made them change to being a Hillary supporter are complete bullshit.
I agree with you!
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Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I was talking about the bullshit in the op.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)IOKIYSHRC
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cui bono
(19,926 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)Passive aggressively insinuating they are a republican...
Hillary has some of the most toxic supporters I've ever seen
cui bono
(19,926 posts)by his no time out policy.
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TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)Now the whole world can just see the outright bullshit they are peddling . Still it helps Sanders so keep it up Skinner .
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Here you go...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110793046
Can't wait to see how you word your post calling out that FB bullshit!
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DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)there are no Constitutional constraints on Parties that create their own conventions and Primary election process. You and your favored candidate does not have to run under DNC or RNC colors or rules. Go for it.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I'll continue to hold my own counsel and I'll go ahead and participate in the primaries my party has set up.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)Have you thought this through? You are aware if we do create our own party we will be stealing votes from the corporate dems, your life's blood.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan toughness.
amborin
(16,631 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Also, George Tenet getting a Peace Medal. Maybe they both rot in hell.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)secretly adore her. Alan Greenspan was a disciple of the queen Rand and the Clintons loved Greenspan. Greenspan was an idiot but he gave the greedy their excuse to frack the lower 99%. Greenspan admitted he was shocked at the bank failure* of 2008. He admitted he thought greed would raise all boats. Idiot.
*I say failure because that's what it's called but it was far from a failure. If you went to Las Vegas and lost all your money on roulette, and the house took up a collection from the customers (of the working class) and returned your money, would that be a failure or success. (rhetorical).
This war is between the Greedy Class and the Working Classes and Clinton sure as hell not one of us.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)I wish I had something politically esoteric to respond to you, but I am still cracking up over that blimp with the Hillary message affixed to it. I can't quit laughing. Have you seen it?
Regards,
Sam
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)after you see it so I feel my time was worth the search:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511672564
I can't believe so few people commented on it.
Sam
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Authoritarian adulation. Thanks for the link.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)Jarqui
(10,123 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)Do it 'till your satisfied.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)They went from Hillary to Bernie. Why?
They'd rather live in Bernie's world than Hillary's.
senz
(11,945 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)to the biggest bully to stand behind just like jr high.
I tried to explain it here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/127710250
senz
(11,945 posts)I especially liked this observation of yours:
In politics, it's no use trying to reason with an authoritarian. They haven't matured to the point of being capable of reasoning.
One can certainly see that in action here. I've also noticed a symbiosis between narcissists and sycophants. It really is a sick relationship. There is a poster here who has said he would lay down his life for his candidate and for those in his group. It's an existential stand that gives order and meaning to the person's mental universe. It would be nearly impossible to reason that out of a person.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)but when they choose their idol worship over helping those among us that are struggling, that, in my opinion, becomes immoral.
Bad analogy time - Non-progressive candidates are similar to those people that call and ask you to support the local firefighter's assoc. It's a good cause and some will blindly do it with the justification that they are helping a good cause. But the truth is they are doing more damage than good. For every dollar they "donate", 90 cents goes into the pocket of some schyster. But in their bubble of denial they convince themselves they did the right thing and won't hear otherwise. A little research would have shown them the truth and they could have given their dollar directly to the firefighters assoc.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)This is what I've been noticing from many Hillary supporters. By that I mean a LOT.
Look at the single payer fight. They don't even want to try and call it basically a bunch of crap yet confront them on how Hillary's plan with the ACA would still mean people were dying from lack of health care and they will throw every single excuse they can dig up from the Jurassic era at ya.
This is why I'm a liberal. If I wanted an attitude where I was more concerned with myself, I would be a Republican.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)where the subjects come to revere those that dominate them.
People are literally dying before they should because of a lack of health care. More babies under the age of 1 year die in this country from lack of care than any other modern nation and some not-so modern nations. How can an America accept that? How can Democrats accept that? They are afraid to ask for single payer. Afraid their authoritarian masters will get mad at them.
The Masters lied to us when they GAVE us the ADA. They recognized that the insurance industry would still be sucking off their profits while many millions still wouldn't have adequate coverage. They said it was a first step. Yeah, right a first and last step.
senz
(11,945 posts)I have always assumed that they feel overwhelmed by two forces: 1) the power of the MSM and other rightwing media/ pundits to engender fear of government in the American public, and 2) the ability of Republicans to do what they have already done: pack the U.S. legislature with fellow Republicans so that single payer cannot pass the legislature. IOW, they feel it is futile to even try for single payer because we are outgunned.
A sense of futility isn't quite the same thing as a feeling of fear.
However, what they don't realize is that Bernie Sanders is single handedly breaking up the notion that single payer is impossible. His enthusiastic crowds and primary successes counter the rightwing message about the role of government in our lives generally and single payer particularly, and this could make a difference.
I hope I'm being clear about this. I wish Hill supporters would weigh in at this point and tell us whether they are afraid to ask for single payer or if they think it is futile to even try.
HILL SUPPORTERS: please answer the question. We're trying to figure this out.
(also, minor typo in your comment that you might want to fix --you typed ADA when you meant ACA)
seattleite
(79 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)that the person with the superior intellect always wins. For a hint it is not her
Bernie will wipe the floor with her ass, just watch and see
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)No. They want a reason to hate Hillary and not vote for her.
Jackilope
(819 posts)Reason 2. Goldman Sachs and cozy relationship with those that destroy our economy. Not willing to reinstate Glass Steagall.
Reason 3. Campaign of 2008. Sniper fire lies and planting/releasing photo of Obama with suggestion "he is not one of us". Using division.
Reason 4. History of poor judgement, be it her own server, stance on same sex marriage, campaign tactics like destroy for gain, unify party later .... etc.
I am sick and tired of being mislead and lied to -- by Hillary.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Simple decision. Character. #noclass
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I remember very well. I could not believe that some Democrats were acquiescing before the Idiot Bush and His devil side-kick.
Clinton did more than betray her Party, she doubled down with her speech in which she mimicked the Bush lies claiming that Hussein was rebuilding his WMD's including nuclear and was harboring al qaeda terrorists. She let us all down when we needed her the most. Many swore to never to trust her again.
Her followers will tell you that:
1. She was fooled by Bush. He lied to her and she bought it. Really? She believed Bush over those honest people around her were telling her otherwise. The German government said the intelligence was bad. Or
2. She didn't think Bush/Cheney would use the authorization. Really? When that's all Cheney and the neocons were talking about for years.
I think she believes in American Exceptionalism. I think she wanted, like the neocons, to bring democracy to Iraq. In fact she made a statement about giving the Iraqi's the gift of democracy. I am afraid that she will want give the same gift to Iran and/or Russia.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)She's playing a nasty little game and Bernie is such a boy scout he wasn't expecting it. Now he's learning what kind of person his opponent actually is. He has to learn how to fight a dirty opponent without getting dirty himself.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)fight her on her terms. Always take the high road with people like her. And it's not dirty fighting to point out bad decisions like the Iraq vote.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Her campaign is going full monty negative
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Facbook friends can be so fickle in their faith.
Who knows who they'll be worshipping tomorrow?
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Anywhere near the 2.4 million vote deficit he has?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)And clearly, "WAY WAY WAY UP" on my Facebook page is much much more than the realtively tiny "many many people" on your Facebook page.
That's how statistics work.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Ask Nevada and Missouri lol
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Or we could discuss vote totals from primary states.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Bill's outburst in PA and seeing right thru it.
The problem with the Clintons is they replay the same song over and over and over again.
athena
(4,187 posts)Whoever is claiming to be turning away from Hillary was probably never with her in the first place.