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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:18 AM Apr 2016

Thanks To CA Voting Rules, TICKED OFF California Independents Can Make Bernie Sanders a BIG WINNER






Us old Bernie Broads and every other Bernie supporter gotta hang on until the Golden State. Bernie Sanders is slowly chopping away at Hilary’s lead. The last Quinnipac poll for New York shows that Clinton holds a 54% to 42% lead, while the Quinnipac Pennsylvania poll showed Clinton at 50% and Sanders at 44%. This puts Bernie in striking distance in PA, and he may still close the gap substantially in New York. The NY contest looks to be the nastiest primary fight the Democrats have seen in a long time. Bernie may take PA by a decent margin, though.

All this makes the Democratic primary more addictive than meth for politics junkies, and It’s quite possible that neither candidate will have enough pledged delegates to clinch the nomination by California. California voting rules mean Bernie could dominate California, with its 475 delegates. According to Observer.

“..The hidden ball in the 2016 Democratic primaries is that in California independent voters can vote in the Democratic primary but cannot vote in the Republican primary. This fact—which has not been widely reported in the mainstream media that is overly focused on short term news cycles—will work to the considerable advantage of Mr. Sanders and the considerable disadvantage of Donald Trump.

In other words, if Mr. Sanders is within striking range of Ms. Clinton in elected delegates before California votes there is a legitimate chance he could overtake her with a significant victory in California, in which case the issue of the super-delegates would become a cause célèbre throughout the Democratic party and the media...”


http://observer.com/2016/04/clinton-attacks-backfire-sanders-soars-in-wisconsin/

In other words, every California voter who who is angry at “the establishment” and who wants to make a statement has no alternative but to vote for Bernie. They can’t vote for Trump. An open primary that lets independents vote is much more representative of how a general election will go than a closed primary. Bernie’s been the clear winner in open primaries. California is semi-open, which may not be the best case scenario for Bernie, but a semi-open primary is better than a closed primary.

As the Pew Research Center showed, more than 40% of Americans are independent voters. They have no party affiliation, and Bernie does much better with them than Hillary. In Wisconsin, independent voters preferred Bernie over Hillary by 72% to 28%. (CNN) None of this will make the coming weeks any easier for Bernie supporters. There’s much work to be done, and many voters to be registered for most of the remaining primaries and caucuses.

But if it was easy, politics wouldn’t be fun, would it?


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/04/07/1511622/-Thanks-to-CA-Voting-Rules-Ticked-Off-California-Independents-Can-Make-Bernie-a-BIG-Winner
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Thanks To CA Voting Rules, TICKED OFF California Independents Can Make Bernie Sanders a BIG WINNER (Original Post) Segami Apr 2016 OP
Keep the Faith.....Keep It Berning... Segami Apr 2016 #1
This is why the Clinton camp is going crazy with scorched earth... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #2
I believe its one of many reasons.... Segami Apr 2016 #6
She's going scorched earth because AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #10
I feel sorry for her. Desperaton . . . I've liked her in the past but this is about issues. snowy owl Apr 2016 #20
EXACTLY (eom) Samantha Apr 2016 #18
Says the person who doesnt think Obama is qualified to be president. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #28
California is a pretty diverse state. Sanders doesn't do to well those brush Apr 2016 #31
Some of his best states have been very diverse states... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #32
Who said anything about other minorities being brown enough? You did. brush Apr 2016 #33
Hawaii is the most diverse state in the country GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #34
Calm down. "I said "most" diverse states. brush Apr 2016 #36
I think this post is gonna make people nervous NWCorona Apr 2016 #3
ooh, yes. Making people "nervous". KMOD Apr 2016 #7
No. NWCorona Apr 2016 #16
Well it does contain capitalized words libdem4life Apr 2016 #29
Just to be clear- you have to be registered Dem or "no party preference" TDale313 Apr 2016 #4
Check it anyway... with all the reports we are getting nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #8
Yep, me too. n/t TDale313 Apr 2016 #11
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! CALIFORNIA, HEADS UP! Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #17
NPP is what California calls independent jfern Apr 2016 #21
Gawd I hope so flamingdem Apr 2016 #5
He has been coming, we covered the San Diego rally nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #9
True, he's amazing, so much energy flamingdem Apr 2016 #13
They are actually nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #15
on another note: April 13 is deadline to apply to be a delegate and May 1 is the CA caucus to elect amborin Apr 2016 #12
Bernie can carry CA in a big way. We've just got to work it, and there's a lot of upside. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #14
Hilly So Silly: and now willynilly Voice for Peace Apr 2016 #19
I've believed for a long time that CA could be the night the race tips. Kentonio Apr 2016 #22
It will be the first time that I can remember... MoonchildCA Apr 2016 #24
It really does feel like a race full of new opportunities. Kentonio Apr 2016 #37
How unfair!! The democratic party of CA rules give Sanders a chance! HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #23
After last night's lying...they may tip the scale for Hillary. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #25
I don't think her lies were THAT convincing. Kentonio Apr 2016 #39
Great News Politicalboi Apr 2016 #26
OMFG I did not know that CA had an open Dem primary...this is yuuuge!!! nt thereismore Apr 2016 #27
Checked online about my CA registration status and because of a glitch said not registered. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #30
He's going to hang himself before then...just wait. anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #35
And if he continues this flame throwing in the name of "Berning it down" synergie Apr 2016 #38
That's right, we have always been at war with Eurasia. Kentonio Apr 2016 #40
My 80 yr old pissed of CA voter brother never heard of Bernie 6 months ago. Zorra Apr 2016 #41
I have a feeling some in the Clinton camp will be outraged. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #42
Great news! John Poet Apr 2016 #43
 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
2. This is why the Clinton camp is going crazy with scorched earth...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:22 AM
Apr 2016

They are afraid to let Sanders make it to the California Primary unscathed. And numbers are tightening in all the states.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
6. I believe its one of many reasons....
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:25 AM
Apr 2016

They don't want a shiny candidate showing up in California glittering away with folks.....they want to scuff him up as much as possible...


 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
10. She's going scorched earth because
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:29 AM
Apr 2016

she knows that if she doesn't shake things up somehow she's going to lose yet again

she's got to do something

and that's really all she and her staff know how to do

so no matter how risky the tactic, and how obvious to everyone else that it's going to backfire spectacularly, this is the only card in her hand and she's going to play it

just like she played the race card against Obama

"I can't believe Sen. Clinton would say anything that dumb," Rangel told The News as he headed to the House floor, where earlier he had embraced Obama.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
31. California is a pretty diverse state. Sanders doesn't do to well those
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:01 PM
Apr 2016

Even if he does ok in Cali in June, Clinton will also get a ton of delegates there so after her haul in NY, MD and PA, it will be just about over.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
32. Some of his best states have been very diverse states...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:03 PM
Apr 2016

are other minorities not brown enough for you?

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
33. Who said anything about other minorities being brown enough? You did.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:09 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders hasn't done that well in most diverse states. We all know that from following the election so far.

My real point is Clinton will get a ton of delegates from California, Sanders possibly as well, but it won't be enough to close the gap that she will still have, especially after her east coast haul in NY, MD, and PA.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
29. Well it does contain capitalized words
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:31 PM
Apr 2016

and reveal reality. So if some worry, perhaps it is appropriate .

TDale313

(7,822 posts)
4. Just to be clear- you have to be registered Dem or "no party preference"
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:23 AM
Apr 2016

To vote in the Democratic primary. If you're registered for another party (Republican, Green, Independent party- which there is one) you can't. Double check your registration.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
8. Check it anyway... with all the reports we are getting
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:27 AM
Apr 2016

from across the nation... I have by the way

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
17. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! CALIFORNIA, HEADS UP!
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:24 AM
Apr 2016
The deadline for voter registration is May 23. (If you mail it in, it must be postmarked no later than that day.)

To vote for Bernie Sanders, YOU MUST BE REGISTERED AS "NO PARTY PREFERENCE (formerly known as "Decline to State&quot , NOT AS AN "INDEPENDENT." Or, registered as a Democrat, of course.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/political-parties/no-party-preference/
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voter-registration

This needs to be posted in several places at DU (including GD: P, California Forum, Bernie Forum, where else?) and repeated regularly as the deadline approaches. Sanders could lose lots of potential votes from Independents if they don't get this info and re-register.

I can't do this right now. Does someone else want to take it up? Later in April, I'll check from time to time to make sure this info gets posted and re-posted at DU.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
21. NPP is what California calls independent
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:42 AM
Apr 2016

By not as an Independent, you must mean George Wallace's "American Independent" party.

flamingdem

(40,891 posts)
5. Gawd I hope so
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:24 AM
Apr 2016

My cable guy here in California is deciding... Hillary or Bernie. He likes Bernie but just doesn't know.

Bernie needs to come out here because many are on the fence. They need more information.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
9. He has been coming, we covered the San Diego rally
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:28 AM
Apr 2016

god my legs were sore next day... don't start on my neck... me and camera straps don't get along and I had two camera bodies on me... those suckers are heavy.

flamingdem

(40,891 posts)
13. True, he's amazing, so much energy
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:34 AM
Apr 2016

This is a big state, and lots of delegates to snag. I think he could court the Latino vote more

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
15. They are actually
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:40 AM
Apr 2016

more than just a large chunk of the local volunteers are Latino...

Hell, one of his first fans, that was on May 1, of last year... mayday parade, was a newly minted citizen from Culiacan. She was also going to vote Morena in the Mexican elections... she was beyond excited to have a left wing candidate running for office in her first election in the United States. Look at the date again.

I met her at the launch party here in San Diego... beyond committed. She is also volunteering for the campaign of a local Sanders dem running for city hall. Those are the stories that you can only find about if you cover this shit.

That was the same event that I was challenged here by the usual crowd, that the crowd at the North Park theater was just a bunch of white college kids. Ah the beginning of the racist shit we have seen.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
12. on another note: April 13 is deadline to apply to be a delegate and May 1 is the CA caucus to elect
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:29 AM
Apr 2016

delegates

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
19. Hilly So Silly: and now willynilly
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:11 AM
Apr 2016

Her cry to the Voters*, so chilly:



*(including that forty
percent of American
voters who've chosen
to stay independent &
do their own research &
think for themselves: ergo
free from the corporate
sheepthink of Parties
that don't represent them.....)


"That Bernie's no Democrat!
HE isn't qualified!
Don't let Republicans win!!!"

"He causes the Gangs of
New York to get
GUNS! from Vermont!
And his heart is a stone, little people!
His heart is as cold
as a cold frozen
snow covered ice laden
white colored gunloving
childhating
taxcheating cold frozen stone!

That Bernie's no Democrat!
Not a real candidate!
Artless, and old!
heartless, & cold!

Dear voters! Be Loyal!
Vote Democrat Royal!
not Bernie, whatEVER!



 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
22. I've believed for a long time that CA could be the night the race tips.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:08 AM
Apr 2016

We just need to keep working on NY to ensure the race is still close enough for CA to be enough.

MoonchildCA

(1,349 posts)
24. It will be the first time that I can remember...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:22 PM
Apr 2016

In which my vote really counted in a primary, at least in an election that my preferred candidate was still in the race.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
23. How unfair!! The democratic party of CA rules give Sanders a chance!
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:33 AM
Apr 2016

Who ever let THAT place into the union really messed up the entire nation!

Someone call a Whaaaaaaaaaammmbulance!

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
26. Great News
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:29 PM
Apr 2016

And we still have time to get people's shit together before the election. Ca is a Bernie or BUST state.

PufPuf23

(9,855 posts)
30. Checked online about my CA registration status and because of a glitch said not registered.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:47 PM
Apr 2016

I just got off the phone with County Voters Registration.

One need to put the "/" in MM/DD/YYYY.

Also one needs to enter either last four digits of SS# or DL#.

DL# worked but not SS# when I tried internet online while on the phone.

I have been a voter at same address since 2003 and only have vote by mail as live voting was stopped several years ago as very rural.

So I am still registered to vote and person told me getting many similar calls for same reason.

Here is where to check one's CA Voter Registration Status.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/registration-status/

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
35. He's going to hang himself before then...just wait.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:14 PM
Apr 2016

This confused, mean spirited approach is not selling well.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
38. And if he continues this flame throwing in the name of "Berning it down"
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

Pissed off progressives, both registered Dems who do not like what he's doing to their party and Independents who understand why Dems are important at all levels of government will add a few more nails to the coffin of his failed presidential bid.

The sheer desperation that is fueling the negative dishonesty and nastiness he's engaging in, has already harmed him. You folks in the echo chamber don't seem to understand what he, his surrogates and you dedicated followers are doing to yourselves.

But hey, please proceed, and unmask yourselves for what you are, you're unifying progressives against this demagoguery.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
41. My 80 yr old pissed of CA voter brother never heard of Bernie 6 months ago.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

I told him all about Bernie, and he is excited to be voting in a presidential primary election for the first time in his life.

Bernie gives hope to those who previously gave up hope for any chance at real democracy in America.

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