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nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:05 AM Apr 2016

Well that is curious

Clinton is backing down from the food fight.

This is on CNN right now. But this is still pretty hot underneath. For the record, so is Sanders.

This is what makes this primary so special and goes with what I was thinking yesterday. The last thing the Clinton camp expected, since small jabs have received no answer, was the Big Mo and her guns.

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Well that is curious (Original Post) nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 OP
The Big Mo? Myrina Apr 2016 #1
My question exactly. I have no clue what is meant by that. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #2
Big Mo in politics usually means MOMENTUM grasswire Apr 2016 #58
Oh come on! CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #62
The Missouri, a battleship. NV Whino Apr 2016 #8
Even the USS enterprize isn't large enough for her ego. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2016 #31
That is how the Missouri is called nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #9
He said the word "Panama". Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #3
Good point! Jennylynn Apr 2016 #41
^^^this^^^ and it SHOULD GO THERE, but Sanders knows it's early.... ViseGrip Apr 2016 #53
Yes, same thought here... it was a shot across the bow. JudyM Apr 2016 #77
Sanders has lost control of himself and is making direct allegations. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #4
I think Bernie's just fine but um, thank you and every else for the concern.nt nc4bo Apr 2016 #5
"Hillary never claimed that he was not qualified" inchhigh Apr 2016 #6
Remember her comments about Obama Madam Mossfern Apr 2016 #38
She has a long history of this kind of.....stuff.... daleanime Apr 2016 #51
He told the truth NWCorona Apr 2016 #7
EXACTLY! Judgment matters! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #59
Bernie spoke the truth GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #10
Hmm hmm who backed down from the food fight? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #11
"Hmm hmm who backed down from the food fight?" salinsky Apr 2016 #44
Nope...there is another word that comes to mind nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #46
Trojan Horse.. disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #17
Not so.....he is the right person for the Presidency... bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #33
He's a disaster for Democrats and he reminded us of that fact this morning. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #37
It's clear the amount of Clinton baggage makes HER THE disaster of all elections. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #63
That is also a RW talikimg point. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #48
Hillary claimed Bernie voted for the CFMA in a debate as if it wasn't part of an omnibus spending think Apr 2016 #61
Yes, she did. basselope Apr 2016 #71
The party crashing took place about 24 years ago with the DLC nolabels Apr 2016 #75
Yeah, cuz slightly indirect is perfectly ok.... Got it. nt revbones Apr 2016 #79
Id say the Clinton Scream and finger in the chest of a reporter libdem4life Apr 2016 #83
I went to bed thinking that I would wake up to news of her NWCorona Apr 2016 #12
She has gone back, CNN showed the video nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #14
And I happen to agree! NWCorona Apr 2016 #22
Oh yea she is a bit worried..Bernie knows. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #34
And that video of him speaking against it contrasts nicely against Hillary advocating for the deal. NWCorona Apr 2016 #39
I would love to see the quote where she claimed he is not qualified. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #13
Jesus CNN has the sound nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #15
Sorry, but you are incorrect. Shame on Sanders. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #16
Well when the NYT, CNN, the WAPO, tje Washington Times nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #19
They like to play word games... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #26
I choose Door # 1. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2016 #35
CNN has the sound of a reporter saying someone said it... Agschmid Apr 2016 #18
And Morning Joe has the sound three times of her implying it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #20
Move on? This is over? Agschmid Apr 2016 #23
Whoosh!!!!!! nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #24
No not "whoosh". Agschmid Apr 2016 #25
Slowly nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #28
Yup we are done because there is no source here. Agschmid Apr 2016 #29
Just see post #10 on the other thread... DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #32
Just see Segami's post where she notes it an anonymous source. Agschmid Apr 2016 #36
So the CNN reporter who is embedded in Hillary Clinton's campaign said... DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #60
Yup, you got it (talking with that poster is a waste of time) nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #68
I'll go with Segami thank you very much. Agschmid Apr 2016 #76
Okay get going then. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #78
Do you realize how foolish that sounds ? Trust Buster Apr 2016 #21
Her campaign leaked it after WI primary, and she ran with it that night! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #74
Because she knows the not qualified/incompetent charge will stick and pop the mirage of Skwmom Apr 2016 #27
That is part of it. I just expected to take 72 hours nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #30
She didn't back down nadin--she outflanked him. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #40
Oh sorry. It did not look like that.. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #42
Flowers? Motown_Johnny Apr 2016 #45
Did someone mention flowers? nc4bo Apr 2016 #57
It does here in the NY media and in the local Dem party. msanthrope Apr 2016 #47
I will give you the gives voters pause nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #52
Nadin---she's in the Bronx today because Ted Cruz was there yesterday..... msanthrope Apr 2016 #65
And Sanders was there last week nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #69
Nadin....the war is over. Bernie lost. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #72
Well then, why is New York bothering with an election? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #80
I don't have an iggy list, nadin. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #81
Well you should. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #82
And millions have regretted.... daleanime Apr 2016 #64
How is being called out on her statements outflanking? Motown_Johnny Apr 2016 #43
Um, no....I guess you missed her statements this morning. Pure class, and this msanthrope Apr 2016 #49
Pure "politician" tacking to safety. KPN Apr 2016 #66
Very gracious woman. He looks petty in comparison. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #67
Sounded more like she cried Uncle and here's a chewed off olive branch for you Berners. nc4bo Apr 2016 #73
Hillary knows she can't win the war by enticing controversy beedle Apr 2016 #50
Yup nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #56
Maybe she should start arguing for her policies, positions, & programs - and provide details while Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #54
I predicted that the next step from her sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #55
I was just expecting the wait for answer nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #70
 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
62. Oh come on!
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

This is exclusive analysis that has been gifted to us, the denizens of DU.

Embrace it.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
31. Even the USS enterprize isn't large enough for her ego.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:44 AM
Apr 2016

So, no surprise that The Big Mo slowed or tripped her up a tad.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
3. He said the word "Panama".
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:10 AM
Apr 2016

He let her know this can go to another level anytime. Her surrogates are still pushing their luck.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
4. Sanders has lost control of himself and is making direct allegations.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary never claimed that he was not qualified but he made that direct claim of her this morning. Sanders does not exhibit a presidential temperament. He is not a Democrat and he's burning bridges with his words today. He is a Trojan horse that has crashed our Party.

inchhigh

(384 posts)
6. "Hillary never claimed that he was not qualified"
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

This assumption that she somehow just shuts off or ceases to exist the minute the cameras turn off is just maddening. Either she said it in private and is just refusing to deny it in public or she has lost control over her staff.

I don't believe she has lost control of her staff.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
51. She has a long history of this kind of.....stuff....
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:05 PM
Apr 2016

it's part of the reason she has such a large trust issue.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
7. He told the truth
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

And the fact that no one in the media is talking about the substance of his comments tells me I'm right.

Her Iraq vote alone is a disqualifier IMHO.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
11. Hmm hmm who backed down from the food fight?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:23 AM
Apr 2016

At least that is how it looks. Thankfully most folks really do not pay attention (this closely) to this shit.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
17. Trojan Horse..
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:32 AM
Apr 2016

There's that term again.. where have I heard that before - oh, that's right..


"Donald J. Trump withstood the onslaught of the establishment yet again. Lyin' Ted Cruz had the Governor of Wisconsin, many conservative talk radio show hosts, and the entire party apparatus behind him. Not only was he propelled by the anti-Trump Super PAC's spending countless millions of dollars on false advertising against Mr. Trump, but he was coordinating with his own Super PAC's (which is illegal) who totally control him. Ted Cruz is worse than a puppet--- he is a Trojan horse, being used by the party bosses attempting to steal the nomination from Mr. Trump. We have total confidence that Mr. Trump will go on to win in New York, where he holds a substantial lead in all the polls, and beyond. Mr. Trump is the only candidate who can secure the delegates needed to win the Republican nomination and ultimately defeat Hillary Clinton, or whomever is the Democratic nominee, in order to Make America Great Again."

stop using right-wing attacks..

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
48. That is also a RW talikimg point.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:59 AM
Apr 2016

The fact that folks are now adopting republican establishment talking points vis a vis trump is also...fascinating.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
61. Hillary claimed Bernie voted for the CFMA in a debate as if it wasn't part of an omnibus spending
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

bill.

A bill her husband signed into law and a bill nearly everyone in congress voted for.

Legislation her chief economic adviser wrote and pushed for.

That's the kind of honesty and integrity we can expect from Hillary as president....


 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
71. Yes, she did.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:18 PM
Apr 2016

""Scarborough: Do you think he is qualified, and do you think he is capable to deliver on the things he is promising to all these Democratic voters?

Clinton: Let me put it this way, Joe. I think that what he has been saying about the core issues in his whole campaign doesn’t seem to be rooted in an understanding of either the law or the practical ways you get something done. I will leave it to the voters to decide who of us can do the job that the country needs, who can do all aspects of the job, both on the economic domestic issues and on national security and foreign policy."

The Clintonian way... let someone else say, back them up and then claim "I didn't say it".

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
75. The party crashing took place about 24 years ago with the DLC
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016

No need to project either, we already have Bill's outline of how it functions

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
83. Id say the Clinton Scream and finger in the chest of a reporter
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:52 PM
Apr 2016

Qualifies as unpresidential and yes, clearly "losing it".

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
12. I went to bed thinking that I would wake up to news of her
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:23 AM
Apr 2016

Coming out swinging but it's been crickets from team Hillary.

I've never seen Hillary back down... Never. But she has twice already this election cycle. Very odd.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
14. She has gone back, CNN showed the video
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:27 AM
Apr 2016

To discussing policy. And implied, big meanie man. So the talking point of the day likely will be big meanie, burning bridges, and I am the victim.

Having done this long enough as a reporter, dime on dollar that new tactic polled terribly. Nothing in politics is well...accidental. Also him bringing out the big guns likely polled better than they expected.

And yes, this is speculation on my part

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
22. And I happen to agree!
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:36 AM
Apr 2016

Even before the "disqualify and destroy" strategy, Hillary went super negative and Bernie only got stronger! I figure we will figure out team Hillary's next move in a few hours.

I'm really starting to wonder about those Panama Papers. Only with a little digging Hillary's ties started showing and the Clinton's love to exploit loopholes.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
39. And that video of him speaking against it contrasts nicely against Hillary advocating for the deal.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:48 AM
Apr 2016
 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
13. I would love to see the quote where she claimed he is not qualified.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:26 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders, on the other hand, said that of her this morning based on the foolish idea that anyone who accepts special interest money is not qualified to be President. That would disqualify our current president and anyone in this race including Sanders himself. The guy embarrassed himself this morning and showed further evidence that he has no fealty what so ever to this President or the Democratic Party.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
19. Well when the NYT, CNN, the WAPO, tje Washington Times
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:34 AM
Apr 2016

And smaller outlets have said that not only she started it, but both did it (plus I saw it with my own eyes, and she implied this 3 times on Morning Joe...) who do you think I am going to believe? My lying eyes (and all of the above) or a random poster on DU?

Not that you will take it, partisans rarely do...but take a cue from her and best to move on.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
26. They like to play word games...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:41 AM
Apr 2016

Their only argument is she didn't literally say the exact words that "he wasn't qualified" therefore it is okay for her to artfully smear and imply he is not qualified to be president.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
18. CNN has the sound of a reporter saying someone said it...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:33 AM
Apr 2016

Even Segami's thread mentions that it's an anonymous source.

We are being played, and we are letting it happen.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
23. Move on? This is over?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:37 AM
Apr 2016

How about we let the rest of the voters vote.

I know that's a novel idea around here, especially for people who are biased to one side or the other.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
28. Slowly
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:42 AM
Apr 2016

What does this very inside baseball faux scandal has to so with elections? What you are attempting and it is not working, is misdirection and distraction, so absolutely whoosh, and it is on purpose. This fish ain't biting ok. Have a good morning, afternoon, or whatever

We are done.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
29. Yup we are done because there is no source here.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:43 AM
Apr 2016

And everyone is just falling for it.

We should be more curious about things, but it seems we aren't.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
32. Just see post #10 on the other thread...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:44 AM
Apr 2016

... watch the video for yourself again and again.

Embedded reporter in the Clinton Campaign said that the campaign were vowing to disqualify Bernie.

I know it's hard to believe even from Hillary Clinton.

But it's right there in all of its darkness.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
36. Just see Segami's post where she notes it an anonymous source.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:46 AM
Apr 2016

Everyone is taking the bait, and it sucks.

We are being destroyed by the other side, and it's happening right in front of our eyes.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
60. So the CNN reporter who is embedded in Hillary Clinton's campaign said...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:09 PM
Apr 2016

... that sources within the campaign said they will disqualify Bernie...

was lying?

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democrats-unity/index.html

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
68. Yup, you got it (talking with that poster is a waste of time)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:14 PM
Apr 2016


The campaign would have been beyond stupid to openly say it. But sources are sources. And this was not an off the record comment either. They wanted it out.
 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
78. Okay get going then.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:25 PM
Apr 2016

I'm sure you'll be back on the next thread about this.

We all know the truth so it just makes you look dishonest to keep trying.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
74. Her campaign leaked it after WI primary, and she ran with it that night!
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:19 PM
Apr 2016

And the next day, and the next onto guns...sandy hook ....and more b.s. that has sent her numbers tumbling this morning.
So of course she's back to talking policy. The NYT has also put out Bernie's senate bill to break up the banks. The total outline, that of course still has to have the mechanics put in, that he tried to say they are not sure of yet. But, Sanders did write a bill, May 2015 and now the NYT says he's correct, and he is the ONLY one to do this!

It's hard to attack Bernie on anything, especially for the dems, his record is that good! So, she's grasping at anything she can. Sandy Hook was a mistake, a YUGE mistake. Stats show, one percent of guns from VT, end up in NY.

Now...let's talk about the heroin all over VT and where it's coming from. Another epidemic she panders too, if she's really a 'new yawker', and cares about our kids and this health issue. She is a disaster for any party, simply her behavior.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
27. Because she knows the not qualified/incompetent charge will stick and pop the mirage of
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:42 AM
Apr 2016

best qualified ever they have created.

But since Trump is going to go there (it's rumored her nickname is Ms. Incompetent) it would just be putting off the inevitable.

Of course he did tweet about the corruption also so I don't think he will be limiting it to one line of attack.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
42. Oh sorry. It did not look like that..
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:53 AM
Apr 2016

And it is still curious. This little scandal is over. Like most faux scandals it had a short life. RIP scandal. Anybody pitching in for the flowers?

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
57. Did someone mention flowers?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:08 PM
Apr 2016

Carol knows what this ridiculous defeat, destroy and discredit tactic needs to do.

[IMG][/IMG]

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
47. It does here in the NY media and in the local Dem party.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:58 AM
Apr 2016

And it's not a 'scandal'.....its something that has given Democratic women here pause. Millions of New Yorkers voted and sent this very qualified woman to the Senate.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
52. I will give you the gives voters pause
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:06 PM
Apr 2016

Covering elections gives you some insight into this process that is different from the partisans. At that level nothing is an accident. The Clinton campaign is on damage control. Don't trust me, just watch, and try to take the rose colored glasses off. Because you know what...I am willing to bet the new slash and burn tactic...really polled badly.

By the way, why do you think she got in the subway today and went to the Bronx? Did I mention Sanders had an event there last week? I feel sorry for the Secret Service detail though. To those of us who pay attention as procedural, not fans...it is way obvious what she is doing today.

On a larger point, why do you think Cruz is going there, and also Brooklyn? THINK.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
65. Nadin---she's in the Bronx today because Ted Cruz was there yesterday.....
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:13 PM
Apr 2016

It was in all the papers. He got heckled.

She's on the general election.

And why was it a morning visit? Because the game's at 4.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
69. And Sanders was there last week
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:17 PM
Apr 2016

This is a two front war.

Though your media cannot think beyond the last 36 hours...so last week might as well never have happened. Again...try to think

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
80. Well then, why is New York bothering with an election?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:28 PM
Apr 2016

The expense and all. With that shitty attitude no wonder you cannot think. Have an excellent day. And do me a favor. Put me on ignore. I will continue to talk facts, and I know those pesky facts are not going the way you want.

There is more, I care two shits who your party nominates. I am not in the Bernie bandwagon...I know it is hard to believe. But I also don't believe we have an actual working democracy and am looking forwards to the pretend election on June 7 when I can pretend to vote.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
43. How is being called out on her statements outflanking?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:55 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie called her out and she has shut up ever since.


I believe your hero worship is misleading you, again.



 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
49. Um, no....I guess you missed her statements this morning. Pure class, and this
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:59 AM
Apr 2016

has given the story more legs.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
73. Sounded more like she cried Uncle and here's a chewed off olive branch for you Berners.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:19 PM
Apr 2016

Could be wrong.......will wait a few days/rallies to make a final decision.

She knows exactly what she did, so does her conniving crew.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
50. Hillary knows she can't win the war by enticing controversy
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:01 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary has the MSM on her side and believes that as long as it's only the MSM she has to worry about they will always play her as the favorite.

For example so far on MSNBC (the so-called liberal network.) Bernie gave a speech this morning, and MSNBC showed that the speech was happening but stopped the coverage of the speech to talk about the 'unqualified' scandal. They said they would come back to the speech if Sanders said anything about this issue .. which he did, and they came back to the speech ONLY for that part.

So then on to their coverage of Hillary who was taking a 'subway trip' -- they covered the reporters scrum before she entered the station, then covered her whole trip on the subway all the while they had some local politician on explaining how the Clintons were such 'royality' in NY.

Then just a few minutes ago they had the full Cruz speech coverage .. they also had full coverage of a short (mercifully) Trump press conference/speech.


But the difference is that during this fake controversy, social media became active, and that's where Hillary loses big time.

Social media is far bigger than all the MSM outlets combined, and the message is not filtered by back-pocket talking heads and 'journalists' that are more worried about the 'horse race' and 'tone policing' than policies and records.

For example got to twitter and look up #HillarySoQualified hashtag, a tag created by Clinton fans to push her qualifications and which totally backfired when people started actually tweeting her REAL "qualifications", unfiltered .... it was a 'killing field' that Hillary and her corporate stooges were unable to control.

--------------------

This morning Clinton almost 'endorsed' Sanders she was so shocked at the social media reaction.

She needs to stick to policies and hope her delegate lead holds up on its own without dirty tricks.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
54. Maybe she should start arguing for her policies, positions, & programs - and provide details while
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:07 PM
Apr 2016

she's at it as to what those policies, positions, & programs are, how she will get them through a republicon-controlled Congress, and how she will pay for those policies, positions, & programs.

Bernie has done this so why can't Hillary? #WhyCan'tHillary?

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
55. I predicted that the next step from her
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:08 PM
Apr 2016

side will be victimhood.
It is her way:

1) Attack opponent
2) wait for answer
3) If answered by counterattack
play victim.

So much like 2008.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
70. I was just expecting the wait for answer
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:18 PM
Apr 2016

To last a tad longer.

It most have polled that badly

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