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Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:50 AM

 

Sanders: The Lie Exposes The Emptiness

Bernie Sanders lied last night when he quoted Hillary Clinton as having said he was "unqualified" to be President. That is a fact that cannot be disputed.

From the comments that have followed that initial outburst today, both from Bernie and from his campaign team, there is a reading that becomes clear. Someone in the campaign say the Washington Post headline yesterday, and ran with it, without reading the entire article or watching the interview it described. Had they done that, they would have seen that Hillary never used that word, and we could have avoided this trip into the gutter.

What this does is prove the very point that Hillary was making; that Bernie hasn't done his homework on even the core issues of his campaign. If that campaign is only reading headlines, and not actually finding out what the whole story is, it's a damning critique. Bernie will never apologize, because admitting this is humiliating, but it might still be preferable to being publicly branded a liar.

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Reply Sanders: The Lie Exposes The Emptiness (Original post)
CrowCityDem Apr 2016 OP
KPN Apr 2016 #1
Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #2
JDPriestly Apr 2016 #3
Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #7
BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #10
JimDandy Apr 2016 #31
dana_b Apr 2016 #34
msanthrope Apr 2016 #11
MoonRiver Apr 2016 #12
Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #33
MineralMan Apr 2016 #37
winter is coming Apr 2016 #41
nichomachus Apr 2016 #4
Ken Burch Apr 2016 #5
msanthrope Apr 2016 #13
Babel_17 Apr 2016 #6
Lucinda Apr 2016 #20
Babel_17 Apr 2016 #21
Jitter65 Apr 2016 #25
Babel_17 Apr 2016 #29
Ken Burch Apr 2016 #24
Vattel Apr 2016 #8
CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #9
Vattel Apr 2016 #40
Hiraeth Apr 2016 #14
CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #17
Hiraeth Apr 2016 #19
JimDandy Apr 2016 #32
Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #15
Armstead Apr 2016 #16
Lucinda Apr 2016 #18
Joob Apr 2016 #22
CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #26
IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #23
Amaril Apr 2016 #30
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #35
Contrary1 Apr 2016 #38
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #42
Trust Buster Apr 2016 #27
Marr Apr 2016 #28
HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #43
liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #36
Seeinghope Apr 2016 #39
mhatrw Apr 2016 #44

Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:52 AM

1. How many of these threads are you folks going to start?

It ain't working. Give it up.

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Response to KPN (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:56 AM

2. This cannot be said enough. Sanders's true colors for all to see.

 

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Response to KPN (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:56 AM

3. This is Hillary going negative. Today we will find out which DUers read her talking points

first thing in the morning. Whoohoo!

It's show me day on DU. I'm looking forward to seeing the trolls out themselves.

this is great!

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Response to KPN (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:01 PM

7. They realize how many Hillbots have been put on Ignore.

 

Notice how many of the people posting this twaddle are very low post count posters? Draw your own conclusions...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:05 PM

10. Exactly right, I have hundreds on Ignore. This is a new Hillbot.

To the Ignore bin with the rest of them.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:32 PM

31. It's the only reason I see any Clinton threads at all, and then I immediately put them on ignore

One and Done!

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:40 PM

34. me too!

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Response to KPN (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:06 PM

11. As many as we want to. nt

 

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Response to KPN (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:06 PM

12. It's all over the media, not just DU, bwahahahaha!

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:35 PM

33. You can run Bernardo, but you can't hide! LOL!

 

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Response to KPN (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:20 PM

37. As many as they want, actually.

DU allows people to post as they choose to post. You can do the same. I love DU.

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Response to KPN (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:42 PM

41. As many as it takes to crowd everything else out, until the next talking point is devised.

Hope the servers can take it.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:58 AM

4. You should have been here two weeks ago

To see what was going on then. But welcome to DU.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:59 AM

5. She started it when she refused to say that Bernie was qualified

 

There was no good reason for her ever to imply that his qualifications were in question. If she had just said "of course he's qualified" Bernie wouldn't have said anything.

It's exactly the same as her 2008 refusal to admit Barack Obama was not Muslim. She knew perfectly well he wasn't a Muslim and she knows perfectly well that Bernie is qualified.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:07 PM

13. "She started it!" Jeebus, when my daughter says that I make her

 

go to her room.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:01 PM

6. ‘Disqualify’ And ‘Defeat’: Clinton Campaign Attacks Intensify To Halt Sanders’ Win Streak

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/04/07/disqualify-and-defeat-clinton-campaign-attacks-intensify-halt-sanders-win-streak

Following a week where Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign refused to agree to a New York debate unless Bernie Sanders “toned down” his campaign, the Clinton campaign escalated its negative tone against Sanders, with one aide telling CNN their goal was to “disqualify” and “defeat him.”

One day after losing the Wisconsin primary by a sizable margin, Clinton appeared on “Morning Joe.” POLITICO’s Glenn Thrush gave Clinton a flattering interview. The New York Daily News published a cover story headlined, “Bernie’s Sandy Hook shame.” It accused Sanders of callously defending gun manufacturers against a lawsuit brought by relatives of the victims of the Sandy Hook school shooting.

As CNN reported, “It’s the latest chapter in Clinton’s approach to Sanders. She’s tried ignoring him, brushing him aside, gently dismissing his policies.”

“The Clinton campaign has refrained from going nuclear on Sanders, aides say, in large part to keep at least some goodwill alive in hopes of unifying the party at the end of the primary fight,” according to CNN. “No more, a top adviser [said]. The fight is on. Extending an olive branch to Sanders’ supporters ‘will come later.'”

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:12 PM

20. I have yet to see anyone from the campaign saying their goal was to “disqualify” and “defeat him.”

And Sanders and team seem to be doing a fine job of disqualifying and defeating themselves.

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:18 PM

21. The CNN video suggests, strongly so imo, it's being said on background

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #21)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:21 PM

25. Aren't candidates supposed to "defeat" their opponent. What does "disqualify" mean and who said it?

 

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:29 PM

29. Given the context, it appears an aide said it

I can't imagine CNN coming up with that slogan on their own and attributing it to the Clinton campaign.

"Disqualify" is open to interpretation imo. I see it as meaning as portraying him as not being ready for that 3:00 A.M. call. But in Sanders specific case, as not being qualified to make deals happen/move forward his agenda.

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:21 PM

24. Do you really think they would just come out and say it?

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:02 PM

8. You are contradicting yourself. If it was a mistake based on a misleading headline,

 

then it wasn't a lie. You need to do your homework.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:04 PM

9. No

 

It is a lie because it's not true.

It's a lie borne of ignorance, because no one bothered to check if it was true.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:41 PM

40. You need to look up the definition of a lie.

 

"1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood."

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:07 PM

14. I see your point. ::IF::

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:09 PM

17. Wow

 

I can hardly breathe after reading that cogent, well thought out, beautifully articulated rebuttal. [/snark]

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:11 PM

19. catch your breath. there's more.

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #19)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:35 PM

32. LOL

I love a good backhand.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:08 PM

15. The quibbling is stupid, her campaign put it out.

That means it came from her. Nobody is clueless enough not to get that, so beating the dead horse just adds idiotic to that.

Trashing.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:08 PM

16. Bullshit -- She always goes ugly in her devious way

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:10 PM

18. Yep.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:20 PM

22. Yeah she only

Calls him inexperienced, barely a democrat, doesn't answer when asked three times directly, playing coy.
Can Hillary supporters NOT READ in BETWEEN the LINES?

UNQUALIFIED
1.
(of a person) not officially recognized as a practitioner of a particular profession or activity through having satisfied the relevant conditions or requirements.

synonyms: untrained, inexperienced; She essentially has this entire TIME

What?? Because she didn't say the word it's OKAY? Childish word games?

That's the thing about Sanders, he just says it She isn't qualified to be President ESPECIALLY in an election where we don't want money in politics, We don't like TPP, panama Trade act, the iraq war or any other disastrous Trade deals that she'll push for her corporate overlords.

She's been saying he wasn't qualified from the start. It's not easy to pick up what's she's saying unless you're smart enough.
And not one, not one Hillary supporter can tell me, what's so great about these deals that she pushed until recently?

How does this not qualify as incompetence? She qualifies for that.

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Response to Joob (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:22 PM

26. Umm

 

How does that change the fact that Bernie was either grossly incompetent or an inveterate liar last night?

This isn't just about him using the word 'unqualified'. It's about the fact that his entire attack started because of a lie he should have been smart enough and prepared enough to have known wasn't true.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:21 PM

23. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!"

 

I hate it when Clinton people think the rest of us are stupid. Anyone who saw the interview with Scarborough knew what she was inferring, and yes, she is deserving of the smack down she is receiving for her past incompetence and general stupidity.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:32 PM

30. Thanks for saying..........

........what I've been thinking.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:42 PM

35. I hate when Sanders supporters disavow basic sentence structure

 

And can't figure out the meaning of words.

And I get that nuance in conversation can be difficult, I mean Joe said 'unqualified', Clinton responded 'unprepared' for the Daily News interview. I can see how without stopping to actually hear the words of the entire conversation a person could say they're the same thing.

Understanding conversations can be real hard, especially if your predisposed to think of Sanders' Daily News interview as one of his shining moments or something like that.

I really do understand why you're upset.

Btw, I'm not going to write something ridiculous like: are you advocating beating up a woman because you wrote "she is deserving of the smackdown she's getting". I understand the meaning of your words in the context you were expressing even though to do so would feel like I was scoring some kind of posting point for my candidate. You're welcome.


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Response to HillareeeHillaraah (Reply #35)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:48 PM

38. Yeah, kind of like when Hillary said she didn't take money from the fossil fuel industry. n/t

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Response to Contrary1 (Reply #38)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:46 PM

42. huh? N/T

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:24 PM

27. Sanders is a radical and NOT a Democrat.

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:26 PM

28. Hillary's campaign looks ridiculous here.

 

They clearly started the talk about people not being 'qualified', but as soon as they got tapped back, they curl up on the ground and cry?

?v=1

First, you're insulting peoples' intelligence with this crap. Second, nobody likes a whiner. And third, if you're so brittle that words hurt you this much, you shouldn't be insulting other people, much less running for the presidency.

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Response to Marr (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:47 PM

43. That clip is funny.

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:42 PM

36. I wonder how many people I will have to put on ignore today. Good bye.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:08 PM

39. I am compiling my factual list of why Hillary is a horrible choice for President of the United State

 

I don't want to get into the petty garbage that the Hillary Clinton want to keep grabbing at because that is all that they have. This list will show what Hillary Clinton does while she is supposed to be working FOR the American People yet seems to also work for herself. It also shows her bald faced lies about her votes while a Senator.


Wall Street firms funded 14 of her 41 talks. In addition to Goldman Sachs, the list includes Morgan Stanley, Deutsche Bank, Fidelity Investments UBS and Bank of America. Her benefactors also include hedge funds and private equity firms like Apollo Management and Kohlberg, Kravis, Roberts.

Under Clinton's leadership, the State Department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations whose governments have given money to the Clinton Foundation, according to an IBTimes analysis of State Department and foundation data. That figure -- derived from the three full fiscal years of Clinton’s term as Secretary of State (from October 2010 to September 2012) -- represented nearly double the value of American arms sales made to the those countries and approved by the State Department during the same period of President George W. Bush’s second term.


Cheney heaps praise on Hillary Clinton for voting yah on Energy Bill HR 6 Energy Bill 2005. Yet she saying that she voted against it stripping the authority of the EPA to regulate the drilling process called fracturing

The Clinton Foundation received $500,000 from Algeria in 2010 while the country was lobbying the State Department for an increase in weapons export authorization.

Then her vote supporting Bush's war in Iraq.

He vote supporting the Patriot Act.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:51 PM

44. LOL. The Clinton campaign coordinated the entire Sanders NYDN interview smear.

The Clinton campaign announced its intention to "destroy and disqualify" Sanders.

The Clinton campaign proceeded to use Sandy Hook victims as props to smear Sanders. Clinton said Sanders should apologize to the victims of Sandy Hook.

Sanders fought back by saying Clinton was unqualified to be President based on her lack of accountability for her disastrous stances on many of the most important issues that the USA has faced over the last 20 years.

But Sanders is doomed because Clinton simply strongly implied he was unqualified to the point that corporate media headlines declared she had stated that?

It's "gotcha" vs. got accountability.

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