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[daleanime]

1. Part of the reason she's rated so low...

when it comes to trust.

[Avalux]

3. +1 billion.

This latest attack on Bernie will not help with that, only make it worse.

Did you know he's "silly" now? She actually did say that word. Can you imagine if he called her silly?

[JudyM]

35. It's to keep her from spontaneously saying something that will create more problems...

[daleanime]

9. Oh god yes....

if he used that word the 10% who follow the 1% would be screaming for his head in a basket.

[Else You Are Mad]

2. Geez

Reality is so anti-Hillary.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

4. Passing muster in a courtroom vs passing muster in the court of public opinion are different things.

The public doesn't need to meet some arbitrary bar before deciding she's a dishonest person. And so the public has, in fact, decided that she's dishonest, and they've done so in overwhelming numbers.

[morningfog]

8. Exaclty. It's not like these were pleadings to be parsed out with more briefs. She said, she started

it, it was her plan. It backfired, she ran from it.

[notadmblnd]

5. Do it like Faux News does it. Imply it by asking it as a question

So you can deny making the accusation.

[highprincipleswork]

7. Good links! That's what's meant by "artful smear". Innuendo. News. Attempt at plausible deniability.

Funny, though, how these attempts at smear do not seem to be working their usual spell.

More enlightened public, someone telling the truth on the other side for a change, someone not willing to back down?

All of these and more.

When you're fundamentally on the side that people believe in, and have shown your commitment for years, and do not waver from your enlightened positions, and show that your enlightened positions actually predict things like the disaster in Iraq and the Panama Papers, then you've really got something good and solid on your side.

When, on the other hand, you change your position every other day, when you waver and waffle in order to get votes, when you hae shown a great willingness to collude with powers that do not have the average citizen at heart, then you have a built-in weakness.

Witness the hashtag #HillarySoQualified. It has been swamped with much truthtelling as to exactly what Hillary is most qualified for.

I admit she's a brilliant woman. I don't admit that she will ever do anything for positive or for what I truly need and want in the world, and I would like a politician who will fight for me like Bernie Sanders.

[Voice for Peace]

16. A brilliant woman would not campaign as she does.

A brilliant woman would not have voted for the Iraq war. A brilliant woman would have good jusgement more often than not. A brilliant woman would be an inspration. She is not.

[highprincipleswork]

17. Well, you may have a point there.

[JudyM]

36. Brilliance can be overtaken by greed and power-lust.

[ohheckyeah]

10. I see todays talking point is " it depends what the meaning of is is.

I see you all got the memo.

[JimDandy]

11. Meh-the politico article doesn't even speak to your point-it's simply a hit piece on Sanders.

Nothing in it about whether Clinton said Sanders was unqualified. Didn't check the others after that. Unrec.

[WhiteTara]

27. There's not one quote from from Clinton

who is Paul Starr?

[dinkytron]

12. Hillary is the embodiment of "mealy mouthed". Read more for the definition...

adjective. avoiding the use of direct and plain language, as from timidity, excessive delicacy, or hypocrisy; inclined to mince words; insincere, devious, or compromising.

Bernie is not.

[kristopher]

24. You nailed it.

[onecaliberal]

13. She damn sure did say it. This is why people think she's a liar.

K&R

[inchhigh]

14. Said one thing in public

and another thing in private.

You know she thinks it. It's just not credible for her to deny she's ever said it.

[Punkingal]

15. Kick

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. But...she didn't inhale.

[kristopher]

22. Kick

[MisterP]

26. "Clinton lacks a mouth altogether, like a mayfly or a victim of the Matrix's Agents"

[John K]

41. WOW!!

If you read what she actually said you may understand what is going on. She did point a big wagging finger at the FACT that Bernie had just butchered up the NY Daily News interview. A qualified presidential candidate would not do that. There is an implication, which is quite clear. She did not lie. He did make a hash of the interview.

Why did he come out so loud and crass? It looks bad for him. It won't make anyone forget about the bad answers that he gave in the NY Daily News interview.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306

[NurseJackie]

25. Oh, please! GMAFB!! You guys are too funny!!

[Squinch]

28. Except she never did. Bernie DID stoop there, but Hillary didn't.

Enjoy Bernie's three pinocchios!

[HereSince1628]

29. Parsers parse, and to most people parsing doesn't look trustworthy

So I say, Go For It Girl!, Guess whose character is actually in the balance.

[pnwmom]

30. She did NOT say it, and WORDS MATTER. She wasn't making a global judgment on him,

saying that he wasn't "qualified"; she was talking about specific issues that he hadn't prepared on. Those are entirely different things.

[pnwmom]

34. Darling, try putting your thinking cap on. Do you know what "quote unquote" means?

It means he was giving an exact quote. And he was lying.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/sanders-clinton-not-qualified-to-be-president-221666#ixzz45BHZUdMq
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

"Now the other day, I think, Secretary Clinton appeared to be getting a little bit nervous," he began. "We have won, we have won seven out of eight of the recent primaries and caucuses. And she has been saying lately that she thinks that I am, quote unquote, not qualified to be president.

And from Politifact:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/07/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-not-qualified-be-president-hillary-/

Our ruling

Sanders said Clinton "has been saying lately that she thinks that I am 'not qualified to be president.' "
That's the spin some media outlets are putting on it, when Clinton dodged the question of whether or not she thinks Sanders is qualified.
But she's never directly said it, as Sanders specifically alleged.
Because the statement contains some element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression, we rate it Mostly False.

And from Mediaite:

Bernie lied! Hillary actually refused to call him unqualified – three times.

Democratic presidential candidate and independent Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders has initiated a mass fainting spell among the political media by rattling off a list of reasons why he considers rival candidate and current frontrunner Hillary Clinton “not qualified to be president.” The attack has also galvanized Hillary’s supporters, who have responded with the trending hashtag #HillarySoQualified. Unlike a lot of pundits, I’m not that bothered by the charge, I love a smash-mouth campaign, and if it is indeed to be on like Donkey Kong, Hillary Clinton can handle herself.

What is a problem, though, is that Bernie Sanders launched his attack by first telling a big, fat, insane lie about Hillary. Here’s the full context of Bernie’s remarks, but pay close attention to the first part:

As Clinton campaign spokesman Brian Fallon noted on Twitter, Hillary never said that, but it’s actually worse than that. Hillary Clinton not only never said that, she actually was aggressively pressed to say that exact thing, three different times in a row, and like some kind of reverse-Apostle Peter, refused each time:

Now, there are actually some Sanders supporters pointing out, with a straight face, that she also didn’t say he is qualified, or that what she did say wasn’t exactly a compliment, but I’ve got news for you guys: Hillary Clinton is Bernie’s political opponent, it is not her job to compliment him. It also doesn’t change the fact that she did not say what he directly quoted her as saying.


SNIP

[pnwmom]

40. No, HE was lying. She was persistently REFUSING to say he was unqualified,

even though the reporter tried to put those words into her mouth.

Then Bernie indicated that she "quote unquote" said those precise words.

[bobbobbins01]

39. This brings to mind this video:

[vintx]

44. K&R for the TRUTH