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Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:57 AM

So you say you want a revolution? Alright.

Me too.

So exactly how did you want to go about that?

Will it be easier to do with a Democrat in the White House or a right wing republican?

Only two ways for it to work without Bernie, you elect Hillary and push her to the left, or you elect a republican who will blow up the society, government, absolutely everything and cause tremendous harm and death along the way.

Both ways will ultimately get you there, maybe.

So which one?


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Reply So you say you want a revolution? Alright. (Original post)
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 OP
Human101948 Apr 2016 #1
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #3
Human101948 Apr 2016 #6
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #10
Human101948 Apr 2016 #13
onecaliberal Apr 2016 #2
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #5
seattleite Apr 2016 #17
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #18
seattleite Apr 2016 #21
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #24
seattleite Apr 2016 #25
revbones Apr 2016 #4
peacebird Apr 2016 #7
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #8
peacebird Apr 2016 #12
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #15
peacebird Apr 2016 #19
Hiraeth Apr 2016 #9
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #11
peacebird Apr 2016 #14
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #16
peacebird Apr 2016 #22
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #26
peacebird Apr 2016 #29
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #30
peacebird Apr 2016 #31
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #32
peacebird Apr 2016 #33
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #34
Hiraeth Apr 2016 #20
Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #23
Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #27
Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #35
Zephyrbag Apr 2016 #28

Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:59 AM

1. If history teaches us anything it's that the Democratic left are a bunch of "fucking retards"*

 

if they expect to get anything out of a nother Clinton White House.

*Rahm Emmanuel on being pressured by the left (AKA Real Democrats)

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Response to Human101948 (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:00 PM

3. So right wing republican, that is your path to the revolution if Bernie loses?

Just curious, thanks for admitting that, maybe others can too.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:02 PM

6. So Dead Brain Damaged Singer, we should just take what we're served and choke it down?

 

What is your proposal? All I see is some flame bait in the OP.

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Response to Human101948 (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:04 PM

10. You call that flame bait? That makes sense that you would call my desire

to try and reason with Bernie or Bust people, sincerely reason with them, flame bait.

Actually tells me volumes.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:06 PM

13. Oh so innocent are ye...

 

Feigning ignorance is an effective tactic that manipulates the person confronting the behavior into having doubts about the legitimacy of the issue they’re trying to bring to the other person’s attention.

http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/03/10/manipulation-by-acting-dumb/

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:59 AM

2. She WONT be pushed left, for crying out loud, can we please stop with this meme.

Look at her donor list, which one of those has been donating millions out of the goodness of their hearts?

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:00 PM

5. You didnt answer my question.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:07 PM

17. It won't happen with either.

 

There. There's your answer. Hillary will slither around and say whatever she needs to say to get in office. If she gets in office, her puppeteers giving her huge sums of money will make sure that there is NO substantial change. You take their money? You are complicit in this mess.

Vote them out. Vote them ALL out.

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Response to seattleite (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:08 PM

18. Slither? Sounds GOP to me.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:11 PM

21. Actually, just a left-winger who is fed up with this shit.

 

But keep trolling and smearing me, and people like me, and see where that gets you. Have a nice day.

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Response to seattleite (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:12 PM

24. Calling the likely Democratic Candidate names like that isnt someting a liberal does at

a time like this.

As much as I despise most politicians, Clinton's included, I know the difference between the GOP and the Clinton's

Why dont you?

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #24)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:13 PM

25. It's almost as if I'm capable of thinking critically and despising multiple people!

 

Edit: spare me the concern trolling. Not interested. Again, have a nice day.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:00 PM

4. Easier with someone not corrupt. Too bad that's not all the candidates...

 

And the whole pushing to the left? Not going to happen for Hillary.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:02 PM

7. Elect Bernie. Because there is no "push Clinton left", her staff just used a static noise machine to

Prevent reporters from hearing her promises to her wealthy donor/owners last night. What does she promise them? Why not let the people hear it?

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Response to peacebird (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:02 PM

8. You didnt answer my question.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:05 PM

12. I did. It is elect Bernie. That is what I am working toward. BTW Hillary, never.gets.my.vote. Never.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:07 PM

15. So you will choose the right wing republican if Bernie loses. Thanks for answering

It might actually lead to a revolution sooner.

Millions will be harmed tremendously.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:09 PM

19. Bull hockey. I will vote, you will vote. If your candidate fails because she can't convince voters

to support her, that is on HER. She has HUGE unfavorables, polls worse against either R than Bernie, so if she gets the nom and loses, well that's on little Debbie Downer and Camp Weathervane.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:03 PM

9. sounds like you are asking permission.


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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:04 PM

11. Which path if Bernie loses do you choose?

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:06 PM

14. I will write him in.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:07 PM

16. That may actually work

So you will choose the right wing republican if Bernie loses. Thanks for answering

It might actually lead to a revolution sooner.

Millions will be harmed tremendously.

Many will die, many more will suffer horribly, but it might work!

Just the repeal of ACA alone will kill plenty.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:11 PM

22. LOL! Nope, as I said above. If your candidate gets the nom and fails to convince enough voters

to vote for her, that is totally on Camp Weathervane and Hillary.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:14 PM

26. Nope? Nah, you are saying YES to right wing White House if you dont get your way.

I cant get over it, myself, I truly dont know how anyone can claim to be a liberal and take such a shortsighted and selfish position, I honest to god dont.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:19 PM

29. Because I want a president who is not a habitual liar? Not a corporatist who sells out the 99%.

Because I feel HillaryInc is corrupt, she treated national security with appalling carelessness, and has zero judgement as evidenced by her actions in senate then as SecState (Hondouras, Libya, Syria, IWR)

Oh, and her morphing into Sanders on SNL was really funny, but sadly also accurate. As evidenced by her refusal to hand out her transcripts AND her staff aiming a static machine at reporters last night so they couldn't hear what she was promising to her big dollar donors/owners.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:22 PM

30. Uh, other than Bernie (remember, I am a Bernie voter) can you name someone who can

be elected who isnt a liar and corrupt?

Nope, you CAN'T

Why? Because we are a very fucked up and corrupt system, we are probably the best on the planet, but we are woefully fucked up.

You do NOT have a choice of that person once Bernie loses IF he loses, do you!

What do you not get about this?

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #30)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:25 PM

31. Your whole OP is based on Bernie not winning. I call bullhockey - I do not take loyalty oaths

From either Hillary supporters or so called Bernie supporters asking me to swear fealty to Hillary after Bernie loses!

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Response to peacebird (Reply #31)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:26 PM

32. Of course it is based on IF he loses...

So called Bernie voter?

OK, let's do it this way, as you do seem to be sincere, you might actually be a sincere liberal.

Let's both vote for Bernie and continue to work toward him being elected and then after the nominee is picked we pick this up again if necessary.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #32)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:28 PM

33. I am a solid progressive liberal who has voted D for 40 years. We do not need to pick this up later

IF Bernie does not win, everything I have said still stands. I will never.ever.vote.Hillary.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #33)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:29 PM

34. Amazing

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:10 PM

20. fuck a bunch of IF. Go BIG or go home.

I will always take the road less traveled.

The Road Less Traveled
The Road Less Traveled,[6] published in 1978, is Peck's best-known work, and the one that made his reputation. It is, in short, a description of the attributes that make for a fulfilled human being, based largely on his experiences as a psychiatrist and a person.

The book consists of four parts. In the first part Peck examines the notion of discipline, which he considers essential for emotional, spiritual, and psychological health, and which he describes as "the means of spiritual evolution". The elements of discipline that make for such health include the ability to delay gratification, accepting responsibility for oneself and one's actions, a dedication to truth, and "balancing". "Balancing" refers to the problem of reconciling multiple, complex, possibly conflicting factors that impact on an important decision—on one's own behalf or on behalf of another.

In the second part, Peck addresses the nature of love, which he considers the driving force behind spiritual growth. He contrasts his own views on the nature of love against a number of common misconceptions about love, including:
that love is identified with romantic love (he considers it a very destructive myth when it is solely relying on "feeling in love",
that love is related to dependency,
that true love is linked with the feeling of "falling in love".

Peck argues that "true" love is rather an action that one undertakes consciously in order to extend one's ego boundaries by including others or humanity, and is therefore the spiritual nurturing—which can be directed toward oneself, as well as toward one's beloved.

In the third part Peck deals with religion, and the commonly accepted views and misconceptions concerning religion. He recounts experiences from several patient case histories, and the evolution of the patients' notion of God, religion, atheism—especially of their own "religiosity" or atheism—as their therapy with Peck progressed.

The fourth and final part concerns "grace", the powerful force originating outside human consciousness that nurtures spiritual growth in human beings. In order to focus on the topic, he describes the miracles of health, the unconscious, and serendipity—phenomena which Peck says:
nurture human life and spiritual growth,
are incompletely understood by scientific thinking,
are commonplace among humanity,
originate outside the conscious human will.

He concludes that "the miracles described indicate that our growth as human beings is being assisted by a force other than our conscious will" (Peck, 1978/1992,[6] p281).

Random House, where the then little-known psychiatrist first tried to publish his original manuscript, turned him down, saying the final section was "too Christ-y." Thereafter, Simon & Schuster published the work for $7,500 and printed a modest hardback run of 5,000 copies. The book took off only after Peck hit the lecture circuit and personally sought reviews in key publications. Later reprinted in paperback in 1980, The Road first made best-seller lists in 1984 – six years after its initial publication.[5]


more at link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Scott_Peck

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:12 PM

23. Your posed dilemma is false.

Only one candidate offers the hope of a political revolution. His name is Bernie. Annie Oakley offers almost no hope of a political revolution, just more failed Third Way policies and Goldman Sachs appointees. Also no social or economic justice. Worldwide fracking. Not to mention a PNAC perpetual war/regime change foreign policy. I have not voted for a Clintonite in decades and I never will again. Revolution NOT. And I don't say this lightly: a Clinton foreign policy could be more dangerous than a Trump foreign policy.

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Response to Admiral Loinpresser (Reply #23)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:16 PM

27. I actually may agree with the following line

a Clinton foreign policy could be more dangerous than a Trump foreign policy.


Assuming he does what I assume he will do, bow out of it and rely on established, mainstream advisers who may lean toward less intervention.

But on everything else the differences are so wildly different there is no argument you can make other than if you dont get your way, etc.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #27)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:39 PM

35. I can and have made many other arguments.

Some are implied in my response immediately above. Hillary is a proven liar and flip flopper over the decades. Bernie has consistent, credible positions on behalf of the 99%. But you are correct that our differences are wildly different. Btw, it's not about me but us. If the best candidate wins we will have a revolution. If not more of the same policies which have been mostly failing for the last 35 years. It's time for the pendulum to swing back from Reaganism.

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Response to Admiral Loinpresser (Reply #23)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:16 PM

28. absolutely! my deal colonel, nt

 

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