The VATICAN has DEBUNKED the smear already concerning Bernie's invite.

[jillan]

Unbelievable that the hatred for Bernie has come down to this!

Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, the chancellor of the Academy, speaking on the phone from New York, said he extended the invitation to Sanders

“We are interested in having him because we have two presidents coming from Latin America, I thought it would be good to have an authoritative voice from North America,” Sanchez Sorondo said. Asked when he when the invitation was extended, he said, “Quite some time ago.”

So it seems that this lower level employee that put out the hit piece was not aware of conversations going on earlier.



http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation

[silvershadow]

1. Another Clinton Camp hit-job FAIL. nt

[jillan]

2. This one just hit rock bottom.

[silvershadow]

4. So low they are now finding tar sands. nt

[Dragonfli]

71. Soon they will get down below shale level and frakk ture the party /nt

[Jitter65]

19. Just never will admit when Bernie lies. nt.

[jillan]

24. Why don't you contact Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, the chancellor of the Academy & ask him why he

won't admit it that Bernie is "lying"?

I'm sure he would love to hear from you.

[roguevalley]

58. they extended the invitation March 30.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511681664

God, I am loving my life right now. :

[QC]

3. That won't stop anyone from repeating the smear endlessly, though.

You have to admire the message discipline of Team H, if not their ethics.

[TheSarcastinator]

6. the Big Lie technique, Hillarian style!

She learned from the best, apparently.

[QC]

20. It's a technique that crew knows very well. n/t

[RKP5637]

30. Seems like anytime you hear from Hillary or Bill, there's a lie involved. I'm so disappointed in

the Clinton Dynasty.

[QC]

33. I used to support them, and I still think Bill

was a supremely gifted politician and probably the best we could have gotten in the 90s, given how Reaganism was still riding high in the saddle.

I defended him and Hillary during the time of the constant witch hunts and I don't regret that.

So yeah, it makes me sad too to see what's happening now. It makes me wonder if they have changed or if I was just blind back then.

[RKP5637]

53. We did the same. We literally thought Bill walked on water. Now, we're seeing a totally different

story. It has upset us so much, we changed our voter registration from democratic to Independent/Unaffiliated. No way do we want the DNC/DLC/DWS/HRC to think we are in the bag and think they are great. That said, we will vote democratic in the GE, but we will likely have to hold our noses, as the R alternatives are so despicable.

[QC]

61. Maybe they have changed. It's been the better part of thirty years since

they lived in the same world as the rest of us. Living in the bubble of extreme power and wealth changes people.

[RKP5637]

79. I had some friends like that, they lived in a bubble and ignored the rest of the world. I finally

ditched them, they had become so damn obnoxious and privileged acting.

[villager]

27. No it certainly won't. nt

[NWCorona]

5. It's Friday and team Hillary has nothing to go into the weekend with other than bad news

[Jitter65]

21. Why is this bad news for Hillary? Bernie screwed up big time this week. And it is just beginning.

[NWCorona]

26. I'm failing to see the outrage other than coming from team Hillary and the establishment media

I'm not saying that Bernie had the best week ever but he shook it all off while nothing that Hillary did this week stuck. Other than things being flipped back at her. Then we have Bill Clinton, that will marinate over the weekend.

[stillwaiting]

43. Every time they throw shit at Bernie they piss me off even more.

Some unifying figure she is.

[NWCorona]

49. I'm actually starting to find some humor in it

As they are latching on to the weakest arguments.

[revbones]

7. Just juvenile and petty.

The best thing they could have done was just be quiet on this one and let it die down on its own.

I kinda hope their pundits scream about it some more and keep it in the news.

[Sky Masterson]

8. Its all about muddying the Water

That is what Republicans do and that is what Clintons do.

[bigwillq]

9. The "Holy" Water

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

10. Impossible... If she touched any she'd yell out, "It Bern! It Berns!"

[Sky Masterson]

11. Ha!

[geek tragedy]

12. the Vatican Academy works for Clinton? nt

[Sky Masterson]

17. No. I didn't say that

I said that if someone states a truth then it is a common practice to shed doubt on that truth in a practice called "Muddying the Water".

[frylock]

80. Conservatives of a feather...

[salinsky]

13. Q: You're meeting with the Pope??

A: Yup.

The office of the pope moved quickly to distance the pontiff from Sanders’s visit. Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope’s spokesman, said Sanders had been invited “not by the pope but by the pontifical academy of social sciences.” Lombardi told the Italian news agency Ansa: “For the moment there is no expectation that there will also be a meeting with the pope.”

[jillan]

50. Well looky here. Bernie was invited from the Pope.

[salinsky]

70. Pope Marcelo??

The office of the pope moved quickly to distance the pontiff from Sanders’s visit. Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope’s spokesman, said Sanders had been invited “not by the pope but by the pontifical academy of social sciences.” Lombardi told the Italian news agency Ansa: “For the moment there is no expectation that there will also be a meeting with the pope.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation

[CharlotteVale]

14. But their Vatican fairy keeps buzzin' desperately around!

[Jitter65]

15. So Hillary controls the Vatican now? Powerful lady, she. nt

[jillan]

22. What? Huh? Where? I have no idea what Hillary has to do with this.

[Tarc]

16. Your definition of "debunking" doesn't appear to be in the dictionary

We have one Vatican person saying one thing, one saying the other. Perhaps they need to have a conference to sort their message out.

There were other issues here though, such as the Sanders camp...and perhaps sanders himself...painting this as an audience with then Pope, when it is in fact a conference at the Vatican attended by many, and a meeting with the Pope himself isn't in the cards.

You still have some untwisting left to do, there.

[jillan]

25. A low level employee did not know of previous conversations that were going on between the Vatican &

Bernie.

How hard is that to understand?

[RKP5637]

38. K&R !!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[jmg257]

40. Yes - a pretty picture: Bernie said ""Yup" when asked if he was meeting with the Pope.

Maybe he had visions of Papal grandeur?

[Else You Are Mad]

18. Good.

Yet another easily debunked smear against Sanders. After 5 days and 5 smears debunked, I wonder what Hillary's camp will try next. Their rush to get out these new 'scorched earth' campaign has resulted in weak smears with little facts to back them that have almost immediately been disproved -- even by media organizations that back her like NYT did this week.

It is funny how no matter how much they dig, Hillary cannot find anything that sticks.

ETA: yes I know that Hillary doesn't run the Vatican, but she does have some pull with media organizations that report anti Sanders stories like the one at hand.

[pdsimdars]

23. It isn't funny, but every time you see some mud flying at Bernie

all you have to do is wait a minute or two and it turns into a BIG FAT HILLARY LIE.

No wonder her "trustworthiness" is almost the lowest of all candidates except Trump and
Bernie's is the highest. She's earned her position as one of the biggest liars among all candidates.

[jillan]

28. I know. Usually it's the Bernie supporters doing the debunking but this time it was the Vatican!

It's really sad.

[pdsimdars]

87. Bernie supporters and the Vatican are on the same team, huh?

[Waiting For Everyman]

74. Exactly right. nt

[kgnu_fan]

84. I am sad that Hillary became this nasty...

[Surya Gayatri]

29. Tsk, tsk, Bernie. How disappointing. Where is that much vaunted "transparency"?

Sanders earlier on Friday said, “this is an invitation from the Vatican, from a pope that I have enormous respect for in term of the level of consciousness that he’s raising on the need to have morality in our economy."

The office of the pope moved quickly to distance the pontiff from Sanders’s visit. Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope’s spokesman, said Sanders had been invited “not by the pope but by the pontifical academy of social sciences.” Lombardi told the Italian news agency Ansa: “For the moment there is no expectation that there will also be a meeting with the pope.”

He wasn't invited by the Pope.

Bernie lied on that account.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141407275#post259

[jillan]

32. Oh please. He was invited by the Vatican. The Vatican is home of the Pope.

[Surya Gayatri]

39. Spin, baby, spin! Bwaahaaaa!

[jillan]

45. Here's your spin - directly from the Pope himself.....

[jmg257]

57. Sure looks like that is From the Chancelor. What am I missing?

Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo (born 8 September 1942) is an Argentine Catholic bishop and the current Chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences.

[jmg257]

41. Is that why he said he was meeting with the Pope? Cause its the Pope's house? nt

[jillan]

42. Ooopsy - look! Bernie WAS invited by the Pope. Next....

[jmg257]

48. Riiiiggghht....So he is MEETING with THE POPE?!?

Are you stating the Pope is going to the this workshop?

Are they going to "do lunch"?

[jillan]

54. omg.... give it up? Lunch? Bernie is going to Vatican. He was invited by the Vatican & the Pope.

[jmg257]

60. Still haven't answered the question - he IS meeting with the Pope?

[AgingAmerican]

76. Why are Hillary partisans so apoplectic over it?

You guys got caught lying again, best to quit while ahead.

[jmg257]

78. If I see a Hillary partisan, I'll be sure to ask. I'm glad he's meeting the Pope.

That's very exciting! Meeting with THE Pope is a BIG deal!!

[noiretextatique]

81. If he does, what will you say then? Eom

[jmg257]

82. I'll be very happy! Like I said, meeting the Pope is a big deal! nt

[noiretextatique]

85. I think he just might eom

[jmg257]

86. HOly shit - certain people's heads here would explode! nt

[jmg257]

63. Huh I thought Marcelo was an Academy Chancellor - who knew he made Pope? nt

[Surya Gayatri]

47. Well, yeah, I guess, except that the Pope spends a lot of time at Castel Gondolfo, too.

[jmg257]

52. Maybe the Pope will call him up, since Bernie will be in town, and invite him over!

[Surya Gayatri]

66. "That you, Bern? Hey, come on over for a personally guided tour...

and a drink of my own special cocktail, 'Pope's Potion'. You'll love it!"

[jmg257]

67. LOL! A couple old dudes just kicking back, reminiscing about their hippy days.

[Jitter65]

31. The only thing debunked was that the Pope did not extend the invitation. Then there is this:

"However Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, the chancellor of the Academy, speaking on the phone from New York, said he extended the invitation to Sanders, though he declined to say who initiated the contacts." from the article.

"on the phone from New York" sounds to me like the Bishop is in NY and some communication was made between him and Sanders. The invitation was probably extended here and the Bishop had not told Archer about it.

My speculation. Still don't know who initiated the invitation.

[jillan]

34. The Bishop also said that the invitation to Sen Sanders was given awhile ago.

[B Calm]

35. Sanders should sue Blomberg Financial News!

[jillan]

37. Actually it was Bloomberg News that posted the story that Debunked the first one.

[nichomachus]

36. And the stench of desperation from Camp Weathervane becomes more noxious by the day

Those people are disgusting.

[Sheepshank]

44. Bernie attempts to couch the meeting in terms of the Pope's meeting was at their request.

however, the reality is much, much different

The office of the pope moved quickly to distance the pontiff from Sanders’s visit. Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope’s spokesman, said Sanders had been invited “not by the pope but by the pontifical academy of social sciences.” Lombardi told the Italian news agency Ansa: “For the moment there is no expectation that there will also be a meeting with the pope.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation

[jillan]

46. Except there is this....

[QC]

62. AN OBVIOUS FORGERY!!!!11!!!1

[demwing]

51. Isn't there a special place in hell

for people who insinuate that the Pope is a liar?

[jillan]

55. I would hope so.

[riderinthestorm]

56. Papal politics. That's what I thought nt

[mak3cats]

64. This is what really irritates me...

...

The president of the academy said Friday that Sanders didn’t follow proper protocol by failing to contact her office and that his presence threatens to make the event political. The academy’s chancellor said he arranged the invitation and defended the Vermont senator.

“Sanders made the first move, for the obvious reasons,” Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the conference Sanders will attend, said in a telephone interview. “I think in a sense he may be going for the Catholic vote but this is not the Catholic vote and he should remember that and act accordingly -- not that he will.”

If Archer truly felt she was "dishonored" by not being contacted, so be it. But where the hell does the next paragraph come from? Why did she immediately turn it political, and have the audacity to opine on Senator Sanders' motives, and in such a public way? And with such a snotty "not that he will" at the end of it. Has she ever met him? I doubt it. There's something more to this than meets the eye.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation

[w4rma]

65. Hillary is jealous. The Pope snubbed her. She'll wine and dine with Goldman Sachs, instead. (nt)

[NorthCarolina]

68. Wow, was a good try though...gotta give them that I suppose.

It's amazing how they all came together so fast on it too, almost like it was scripted for release at a specific time of day.

[Bobbie Jo]

69. Nobody is contesting this.

Q: "Are you meeting with the Pope?"

Bernie: "Yep."

[Waiting For Everyman]

73. Wow, Hillary et. al. must really be jealous!!!

OMG! It would be funny if it wasn't pathetic. They are really losing their shit! I go away for a couple hours and they're having apoplexy fits of, again... more damn QUIBBLING!

Quibble, quibble, quibble.

Here's all I have to say to that mess: if you ask someone the time and they say it's 12:01 and your watch says 12:02, that is not lying. Everything ever uttered by someone you don't like is not lying. Get a grip!

You, in fact, are exaggerating -- so, according to your definition, you're lying too. Anybody can play that game, and it circles the drain and goes nowhere.


Time to fill up my DU Trash Can again. That thing is getting a workout.
My hat's off to you jillan and to those with the patience to respond to the over the top fit throwing.

[AgingAmerican]

75. Like true right wingers their echo chamber will never let their lie die

[upaloopa]

77. Bernie is not going to see the Pope which is what you all said this morning

You smeared yourselves

[kgnu_fan]

83. kick