2016 Postmortem
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New York: Bernie Sanders Is Our Last Chance
We wont see a presidential candidate like Bernie again in our lifetimes. As I heard these words, spoken by a woman at a Sanders campaign event recently, I felt a chill go through me. Because I knew she was right. We wont.
We wont see another presidential candidate who refuses to take campaign donations from the wealthy and the corporate elite. We wont see another candidate with the courage to take on Wall Street. We wont see a candidate with the guts to tell the American people that they have lost their democracy. We wont see another candidate who mentions the working class and the poor in his speeches. We wont see another candidate sounding the alarm bells over global warming.
It is no wonder that the wealthy owners of the New York Times and Washington Post and other media organs have reacted to Sanders insurgency with such fury, emptying their stables of talent each day in an effort to run him down and exterminate him politically. Its like watching the Wicked Witch in The Wizard of Oz, standing in the window of her castle, arms outstretched, sending her flying monkeys hurtling through the sky on a mission to destroy her would-be destroyers. ......
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)He'll be 75 when he takes the oath of office.
BlueStateLib
(937 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)thanks.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Pretty much proved you are a Republican with that statement.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Yeah, right, anyone who doesn't like Sanders is a Republican. It's easier to say that than to think about why he is unpopular with certain sections of the liberal base, I guess.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)He's proved he cares just as much as HRC does about fighting racism, if not more.
He's proved he was against homophobia decades before HRC herself ever was.
He's proved he is MORE pro-choice than HRC(it isn't Bernie talking about accepting a constitutional amendment banning abortion so long as there are a few trivial "exceptions".
And he has supported every gun control measure other than corporate liability-he would have supported that if they had excluded small gun manufacturers(the kind that never make semi-automatic weapons)or small gun shops(the kind that never SELL semi-automatic weapons).
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Either his way or the highway. If you disagree, he will accuse you of being The Establishment. I can live without that.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If you disagree with her, you are treated as if you have no right to be in this party and to expect to be heard. I can live without.
It IS Establishment to insist that the Democratic base(which represents the majority of the American people)must settle for nothing but increments(and that the increments must be tiny, as all increments are).
It IS Establishment to treat activists with a mixture of suspicion and contempt.
It IS Establishment to blame the party's problems on "idealists" when the real reason we ended up with half-measures in 2009-10 and a loss of Congress after that was that the party leadership demobilized the idealists as soon as the 2008 election was over and told them to go away and let "the grown-ups" make deals.
It IS Establishment to accept the idea that corporate power should be able to set the limits on what range of political opinion is considered "acceptable" and "mainstream" and that corporate power should, essentially, have a veto on the range of policy options a government may or may not consider.
It IS Establishment to act as if we have no alternative but to stay in perpetual, unwinnable wars in the Middle East and, eventually, Ukraine as well..
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)That is the game plan. When you can't make a legitimate argument, derail the conversation to something unprovable, right?
You called me a nasty name and said that there was no way anyone can dislike Saint Sanders. I said, yes, there is. He is divisive, he calls people names when he disagrees with their opinions (like you just did!). And now you want to talk about something Hillary Clinton did, because you know I am right.
Just accept that some people do not like Bernie Sanders, even some liberal, activist peeps (and I don't just play on on the interwebs, either). People can take identical information and come to different conclusions and still be good people. Why is that so hard to understand?
Ukraine? WTF? You are off on a tangent.
Dem2
(8,178 posts)I choose to be optimistic.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)there will be no harvest later.
Dem2
(8,178 posts)He may or may not be the leader to take us down the path, but he's shown the way IMO.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)smiley
(1,432 posts)The PTB are terrified of this campaign. Their bias for the establishment candidates has reached epic proportions of transparency. And there's a good chance we could see many more politicians like him if he is elected. This political revolution doesn't end with Bernie.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)He's done very well and other like-minded individuals will surely follow in his footsteps in future elections.
Martin Eden
(15,629 posts)I'm hopeful there will be more great public servants like Bernie Sanders who are able to make a serious bid for the White House. Whether that happens in my lifetime (I'm 58) depends on how long that takes and how long I live.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Now that we have joined the GPA we have to.
Martin Eden
(15,629 posts)... (mayors, governors, congressman, senators) who actually serve the public interest, as opposed to politicians bought by corporations.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)so they are exempt from the mandatory privatization and globalization regulations.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)the effects of incrementalism over several decades and the result is that the majority of people have in fact are worse off.
Many boomers join with the millennials to affect real change! We have lots in common
"...There are many reasons to find Hillary Clinton repugnant as a politician: her support for the Iraq War in 2003 and for the Honduran military coup in 2009, her ties to Goldman Sachs and Big Pharma, her support for neoliberal trade and economic policies that hurt working people, children, and the poor, her depiction of Edward Snowden as a traitor, her support for fracking, her past mockery of the women who accused her husband of sexual assault, and so on. But the worst thing about Hillary is simply that she represents the status quo.
Perhaps, twenty or thirty years ago, it was still plausible to argue that voting for the lesser evil might usher in the kind of changes that our society desperately needs. But not today. Not with fascism rising again in Europe, and perhaps now even here in the United States. Not with the hollowing out of our democracy by corporate money. Not in the face of an unprecedented ecological emergency. If a Trump presidency is unthinkable, a Clinton presidency is unacceptable.
Critics of Sanders dismiss his policy proposals, like a single-payer health care system or free higher education (rights long ago established in Europe) as pie in the sky. But in reality, it is Clintons supporters who are engaging in wishful thinking. Last month, Oxfam reported that the richest 62 individuals now own as much wealth as the poorest 3,500,000,000 human beings, half of the whole species. To believe that such a system can be reformed, or that Hillary will give us the incremental change we need to disrupt this monumental theft of the worlds resources, is dangerous self-delusion...."
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)it will be extremely hard to once again vote for the lesser of two evils, been there done that.
What have we achieved, a shrinking middle class, numerous citizens incarcerated for minor offenses, millions of people suffering overseas because of our policy of regime, not to mention the people (terrorists) that have been spawned because of our meddling into their affairs ... many times for resources or control of a region
One thing I can say is that the younger generation is not as swayed by party loyalty as us older people, they see the consequences of just going along and are taking a stance. They have time on their side and are looking towards a longer a game, I applaud their efforts, change does not come easy!
When we marry the rights and concerns of all people we move forward, we cannot give into those who seek to divide.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Critics of Sanders dismiss his policy proposals, like a single-payer health care system or free higher education (rights long ago established in Europe) as pie in the sky. But in reality, it is Clintons supporters who are engaging in wishful thinking. Last month, Oxfam reported that the richest 62 individuals now own as much wealth as the poorest 3,500,000,000 human beings, half of the whole species. To believe that such a system can be reformed, or that Hillary will give us the incremental change we need to disrupt this monumental theft of the worlds resources, is dangerous self-delusion...."
I think the number of voters who will refuse to vote for anyone but Bernie will continue to increase as we get closer to the nomination. Hi11ary's campaign has been textbook neoliberal, and I fear that her DNC-driven monolith will rob the Hoi Polloi of our greatest candidate for POTUS. We cannot give up because of those fears. We MUST get Bernie elected.
veronique25
(74 posts)superdelegates, and politicians already in power -- and running for office -- can be the dna of bernie's america of economic and cultural equality
each of us is one leg of the caterpillar of democracy which everyone must help turn into a cultural butterfly
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)I couldn't resist.
Holly_Hobby
(3,033 posts)lostnfound
(17,520 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)please america - do not let this chance slip away
Nay
(12,051 posts)election. I expect that many millennials will choose this option, and I hope they at least come out to vote if only to use this option. It would send a message.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)this election will not end their fight
JudyM
(29,785 posts)My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)I think the momentum he's started will inspire lots of younger people to start getting serious about politics.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Then I think a new third party will likely emerge and the Dems will merge with GOP eventually.
Joob
(1,065 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)out of the race so the party can unite.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)His name was Jesse Jackson.
Beacool
(30,518 posts)It ain't going to happen. Hillary is the choice of more registered Democrats than Sanders. She has 2.4M more votes than he does to prove it. Aside from being around 250 pledged delegates ahead of him. Why would she drop out?
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Willfully blind and corrupt federal judges and prosecutors
Even with the fact we have confessions
All the manifest injustice stops when POTUS Bernie Sanders....gets to pick a new/ honest U.S.A.G.
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Help U.S. Bern one...you're our only hope
B Calm
(28,762 posts)SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies!
Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness!
Earthquakes, volcanoes. The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
Sid
Baobab
(4,667 posts)but isn't an economic disaster enough. That will happen. And the effects on families will be incalculably horrible.
With no jobs, and no future hope of jobs, millions of people will have to leave the country, but to go where? Where will they go?
Nobody will be welcoming Americans after Trump. Places like Panama or Mexico are not friendly to the US poor.
Have you ever been to countries where there are practically no jobs at all, except tourism, prostitution and crime? The whole nation may eventually become a huge ghetto with little walled off pockets of glittering affluence.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Then again, you weren't playing yourself on that show.
dr60omg
(283 posts)I am 60 years old and like others who are my age: I will never see a candidate like Sanders in my lifetime. This is remarkable and I hope we don't squander this last opportunity
Bleacher Creature
(11,504 posts)Don't worry. I have a feeling we'll be seeing more like Bernie again.
Avalon Sparks
(2,751 posts)Or don't you have any?
Trenzalore
(2,575 posts)He found a way to raise money successfully so he will be copied.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)So i think you're underestimating his ability substantially.
He has consistently been right on issues that lots of others have gotten wrong. Going back 3 decades-
He's a back bencher from a liberal state where you can say whatever you want to from the left and still get elected.
handmade34
(24,017 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,752 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)by several people. We are so lucky to have him.
athena
(4,187 posts)I've thought this for a while now. If Hillary can't win this, no woman can.
rurallib
(64,688 posts)Unless you are in your 70s, there may well be another woman running for the White House in about 8 years. On the democratic side i would propose Kamala Harris may be future material, possibly Donna Edwards.
Unfortunately I am guessing the GOP will be working hard to advance a woman. This is there way of proving they are not an 'old, white haired men's club.' Don't puke, but look at someone like Joni Ernst. Very probably someone no one has heard of yet.
Qutzupalotl
(15,824 posts)Effective where she is, but if she had jumped in, she'd be running away with this thing by now. She just didn't want to oppose Clinton.
athena
(4,187 posts)And you don't know her reasons for not running because she chose not to share them.
Sorry, but the reality is that if Hillary does not win this thing, we will have no female president for a long, long time -- certainly not in our lifetime.
Qutzupalotl
(15,824 posts)She's still young.
athena
(4,187 posts)Only two years younger than Hillary.
If she was going to run, now would have been the time. She chose not to.
Qutzupalotl
(15,824 posts)I'm sure she will be drafted in some future cycle, but only when Hillary is out of the picture.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)That power does not exist right now. Sanders would have zero effectiveness. In that context, I don't understand the point of the OP.
lostnfound
(17,520 posts)The amendment king could accomplish some good stuff but most of all might tell the truth about what goes on in washington
handmade34
(24,017 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,639 posts)NT