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Baobab

(4,667 posts)
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:52 PM Apr 2016

“We won’t see a presidential candidate like Bernie again in our lifetimes.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-sanbonmatsu/new-york-bernie-sanders-is_b_9629028.html



New York: Bernie Sanders Is Our Last Chance


“We won’t see a presidential candidate like Bernie again in our lifetimes.” As I heard these words, spoken by a woman at a Sanders campaign event recently, I felt a chill go through me. Because I knew she was right. We won’t.


We won’t see another presidential candidate who refuses to take campaign donations from the wealthy and the corporate elite. We won’t see another candidate with the courage to take on Wall Street. We won’t see a candidate with the guts to tell the American people that they have lost their democracy. We won’t see another candidate who mentions the working class and the poor in his speeches. We won’t see another candidate sounding the alarm bells over global warming.

It is no wonder that the wealthy owners of the New York Times and Washington Post and other media organs have reacted to Sanders’ insurgency with such fury, emptying their stables of talent each day in an effort to run him down and exterminate him politically. It’s like watching the Wicked Witch in The Wizard of Oz, standing in the window of her castle, arms outstretched, sending her flying monkeys hurtling through the sky on a mission to destroy her would-be destroyers. ......
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“We won’t see a presidential candidate like Bernie again in our lifetimes.” (Original Post) Baobab Apr 2016 OP
He is very possibly our last and only chance yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #1
^This. So MUCH. AzDar Apr 2016 #9
it took Nazi atrocities and a lifetime to create him. We won't see this his like again, most likely roguevalley Apr 2016 #17
and even then, he'll probably only make it through one term...so he has to get to work quickly anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #18
Same thing was said about Obama BlueStateLib Apr 2016 #64
I never said that, for sure yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #65
Great news! wildeyed Apr 2016 #2
You LIKE the idea of not seeing anyone else like Bernie? Ken Burch Apr 2016 #36
HAHAHAHA! wildeyed Apr 2016 #38
There's actually no reason good reason for any sector of the party to dislike or distrust him. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #47
He is divisive. wildeyed Apr 2016 #50
HRC is equally divisive. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #53
And we pivot to something Hillary Clinton did..... wildeyed Apr 2016 #57
I hope he's the 1st of many new progressive leaders Dem2 Apr 2016 #3
If we fail to prepare the soil now... daleanime Apr 2016 #5
I think he's doing a great job of paving a path to the future Dem2 Apr 2016 #6
He needs to be, for sure. bettyellen Apr 2016 #43
I couldn't agree more. smiley Apr 2016 #4
Definitely not true oberliner Apr 2016 #7
Bernie has inspired young people, and I expect some of them to fill his shoes Martin Eden Apr 2016 #23
Privatization will greatly reduce the ranks of public servants soon Baobab Apr 2016 #25
By "public servants" I mean elected officials ... Martin Eden Apr 2016 #26
Politicians are basically "services conducted as an exercise of governmental authority" Baobab Apr 2016 #30
Totally agree, as a boomer I can finally get behind a candidate that has a bold vision, we have seen slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #8
Well said. As a boomer as well, my vote for Sanders is one I look forward to. EndElectoral Apr 2016 #11
SO looking forward to voting FOR someone ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #15
This: chervilant Apr 2016 #33
let's start by supporting the campaigns of all superdelegates who support bernie's america! veronique25 Apr 2016 #10
No...there is another...sky...wa....lk...er..... Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #12
That's how I feel too...I'm 60 n/t Holly_Hobby Apr 2016 #13
53 here, an engineer - I agree lostnfound Apr 2016 #59
I have waited my whole life to vote for Sanders SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #14
Just remember that any voter can write in any candidate in the general Nay Apr 2016 #31
i think many of them are in this for the long haul SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #40
We ALL need to get on the phones and canvass. For him. Since we feel this way. It matters. JudyM Apr 2016 #16
I wouldn't say that My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #19
Not if Hillary gets the nomination. Baobab Apr 2016 #24
He's the only one keeping me in this party nt Joob Apr 2016 #20
I'm 65 years old and I been waiting a lifetime for a guy like Bernie. Hillary needs to drop B Calm Apr 2016 #21
You had a guy like Bernie run for President twice in the 1980s oberliner Apr 2016 #34
Hmmmm, nope. Beacool Apr 2016 #58
For 15 years we've been foghting Romney, his Bain Cap., their partner Goldman Sachs laserhaas Apr 2016 #22
I wish I could recommend this op 10000000000 times! B Calm Apr 2016 #27
The world is literally going to end if Bernie is not elected... SidDithers Apr 2016 #28
Surely you must be joking Baobab Apr 2016 #32
You were funny on SCTV. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #37
Wonderful post . Sign not in my lifetime dr60omg Apr 2016 #29
Unprepared? Weak on policy details? Ineffective in his current job? Bad temperament? Bleacher Creature Apr 2016 #35
How about backing up your claims with some examples? Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #39
You will see 3 next election cycle Trenzalore Apr 2016 #41
Bernie has been part of the political scene for decades.. Baobab Apr 2016 #45
Meh Trenzalore Apr 2016 #46
... handmade34 Apr 2016 #52
True, but the genie is out of the bottle and Bernie's political revolution will outlive him. Scuba Apr 2016 #42
Especially with all the support Sanders has with the younger generations! nt LostOne4Ever Apr 2016 #44
I've heard the same sentiment expressed azmom Apr 2016 #48
If Hillary loses, we won't see a female president within our lifetimes. athena Apr 2016 #49
I think there are a couple of excellent women on the horizon rurallib Apr 2016 #55
Elizabeth Warren! Qutzupalotl Apr 2016 #56
Elizabeth Warren is not running. athena Apr 2016 #61
She can run in a future cycle. Qutzupalotl Apr 2016 #62
She's 66 years old. athena Apr 2016 #63
She chose not to this time. Qutzupalotl Apr 2016 #67
Being a President is not like being a king. A President needs power within the legislature. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #51
Cabinet appointments. Truth telling platform. Prioritization lostnfound Apr 2016 #60
there have been lots of Bernie's over the years... handmade34 Apr 2016 #54
Who? NT Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #66

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
17. it took Nazi atrocities and a lifetime to create him. We won't see this his like again, most likely
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:21 AM
Apr 2016
 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
18. and even then, he'll probably only make it through one term...so he has to get to work quickly
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:10 AM
Apr 2016

He'll be 75 when he takes the oath of office.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
36. You LIKE the idea of not seeing anyone else like Bernie?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:56 AM
Apr 2016

Pretty much proved you are a Republican with that statement.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
38. HAHAHAHA!
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:35 PM
Apr 2016

Yeah, right, anyone who doesn't like Sanders is a Republican. It's easier to say that than to think about why he is unpopular with certain sections of the liberal base, I guess.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
47. There's actually no reason good reason for any sector of the party to dislike or distrust him.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:49 PM
Apr 2016

He's proved he cares just as much as HRC does about fighting racism, if not more.

He's proved he was against homophobia decades before HRC herself ever was.

He's proved he is MORE pro-choice than HRC(it isn't Bernie talking about accepting a constitutional amendment banning abortion so long as there are a few trivial "exceptions".


And he has supported every gun control measure other than corporate liability-he would have supported that if they had excluded small gun manufacturers(the kind that never make semi-automatic weapons)or small gun shops(the kind that never SELL semi-automatic weapons).

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
50. He is divisive.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:10 PM
Apr 2016

Either his way or the highway. If you disagree, he will accuse you of being The Establishment. I can live without that.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
53. HRC is equally divisive.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:17 PM
Apr 2016

If you disagree with her, you are treated as if you have no right to be in this party and to expect to be heard. I can live without.

It IS Establishment to insist that the Democratic base(which represents the majority of the American people)must settle for nothing but increments(and that the increments must be tiny, as all increments are).

It IS Establishment to treat activists with a mixture of suspicion and contempt.

It IS Establishment to blame the party's problems on "idealists" when the real reason we ended up with half-measures in 2009-10 and a loss of Congress after that was that the party leadership demobilized the idealists as soon as the 2008 election was over and told them to go away and let "the grown-ups" make deals.

It IS Establishment to accept the idea that corporate power should be able to set the limits on what range of political opinion is considered "acceptable" and "mainstream" and that corporate power should, essentially, have a veto on the range of policy options a government may or may not consider.

It IS Establishment to act as if we have no alternative but to stay in perpetual, unwinnable wars in the Middle East and, eventually, Ukraine as well..

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
57. And we pivot to something Hillary Clinton did.....
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:55 PM
Apr 2016

That is the game plan. When you can't make a legitimate argument, derail the conversation to something unprovable, right?

You called me a nasty name and said that there was no way anyone can dislike Saint Sanders. I said, yes, there is. He is divisive, he calls people names when he disagrees with their opinions (like you just did!). And now you want to talk about something Hillary Clinton did, because you know I am right.

Just accept that some people do not like Bernie Sanders, even some liberal, activist peeps (and I don't just play on on the interwebs, either). People can take identical information and come to different conclusions and still be good people. Why is that so hard to understand?

Ukraine? WTF? You are off on a tangent.

Dem2

(8,178 posts)
6. I think he's doing a great job of paving a path to the future
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:03 PM
Apr 2016

He may or may not be the leader to take us down the path, but he's shown the way IMO.

smiley

(1,432 posts)
4. I couldn't agree more.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:00 PM
Apr 2016

The PTB are terrified of this campaign. Their bias for the establishment candidates has reached epic proportions of transparency. And there's a good chance we could see many more politicians like him if he is elected. This political revolution doesn't end with Bernie.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. Definitely not true
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:06 PM
Apr 2016

He's done very well and other like-minded individuals will surely follow in his footsteps in future elections.

Martin Eden

(15,629 posts)
23. Bernie has inspired young people, and I expect some of them to fill his shoes
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:35 AM
Apr 2016

I'm hopeful there will be more great public servants like Bernie Sanders who are able to make a serious bid for the White House. Whether that happens in my lifetime (I'm 58) depends on how long that takes and how long I live.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
25. Privatization will greatly reduce the ranks of public servants soon
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:46 AM
Apr 2016

Now that we have joined the GPA we have to.

Martin Eden

(15,629 posts)
26. By "public servants" I mean elected officials ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:55 AM
Apr 2016

... (mayors, governors, congressman, senators) who actually serve the public interest, as opposed to politicians bought by corporations.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
30. Politicians are basically "services conducted as an exercise of governmental authority"
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

so they are exempt from the mandatory privatization and globalization regulations.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
8. Totally agree, as a boomer I can finally get behind a candidate that has a bold vision, we have seen
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:16 PM
Apr 2016

the effects of incrementalism over several decades and the result is that the majority of people have in fact are worse off.

Many boomers join with the millennials to affect real change! We have lots in common


"...There are many reasons to find Hillary Clinton repugnant as a politician: her support for the Iraq War in 2003 and for the Honduran military coup in 2009, her ties to Goldman Sachs and Big Pharma, her support for neoliberal trade and economic policies that hurt working people, children, and the poor, her depiction of Edward Snowden as a “traitor,” her support for fracking, her past mockery of the women who accused her husband of sexual assault, and so on. But the worst thing about Hillary is simply that she represents the status quo.


Perhaps, twenty or thirty years ago, it was still plausible to argue that voting for “the lesser evil” might usher in the kind of changes that our society desperately needs. But not today. Not with fascism rising again in Europe, and perhaps now even here in the United States. Not with the hollowing out of our democracy by corporate money. Not in the face of an unprecedented ecological emergency. If a Trump presidency is unthinkable, a Clinton presidency is unacceptable.


Critics of Sanders dismiss his policy proposals, like a single-payer health care system or free higher education (rights long ago established in Europe) as “pie in the sky.” But in reality, it is Clinton’s supporters who are engaging in wishful thinking. Last month, Oxfam reported that the richest 62 individuals now own as much wealth as the poorest 3,500,000,000 human beings, half of the whole species. To believe that such a system can be “reformed,” or that Hillary will give us the “incremental change” we need to disrupt this monumental theft of the world’s resources, is dangerous self-delusion...."



slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
15. SO looking forward to voting FOR someone ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:20 AM
Apr 2016

it will be extremely hard to once again vote for the lesser of two evils, been there done that.

What have we achieved, a shrinking middle class, numerous citizens incarcerated for minor offenses, millions of people suffering overseas because of our policy of regime, not to mention the people (terrorists) that have been spawned because of our meddling into their affairs ... many times for resources or control of a region

One thing I can say is that the younger generation is not as swayed by party loyalty as us older people, they see the consequences of just going along and are taking a stance. They have time on their side and are looking towards a longer a game, I applaud their efforts, change does not come easy!

When we marry the rights and concerns of all people we move forward, we cannot give into those who seek to divide.







chervilant

(8,267 posts)
33. This:
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:18 AM
Apr 2016
Critics of Sanders dismiss his policy proposals, like a single-payer health care system or free higher education (rights long ago established in Europe) as “pie in the sky.” But in reality, it is Clinton’s supporters who are engaging in wishful thinking. Last month, Oxfam reported that the richest 62 individuals now own as much wealth as the poorest 3,500,000,000 human beings, half of the whole species. To believe that such a system can be “reformed,” or that Hillary will give us the “incremental change” we need to disrupt this monumental theft of the world’s resources, is dangerous self-delusion...."


I think the number of voters who will refuse to vote for anyone but Bernie will continue to increase as we get closer to the nomination. Hi11ary's campaign has been textbook neoliberal, and I fear that her DNC-driven monolith will rob the Hoi Polloi of our greatest candidate for POTUS. We cannot give up because of those fears. We MUST get Bernie elected.
 

veronique25

(74 posts)
10. let's start by supporting the campaigns of all superdelegates who support bernie's america!
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:46 PM
Apr 2016

superdelegates, and politicians already in power -- and running for office -- can be the dna of bernie's america of economic and cultural equality

each of us is one leg of the caterpillar of democracy which everyone must help turn into a cultural butterfly

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
14. I have waited my whole life to vote for Sanders
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:56 PM
Apr 2016

please america - do not let this chance slip away

Nay

(12,051 posts)
31. Just remember that any voter can write in any candidate in the general
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:11 AM
Apr 2016

election. I expect that many millennials will choose this option, and I hope they at least come out to vote if only to use this option. It would send a message.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
40. i think many of them are in this for the long haul
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:47 PM
Apr 2016

this election will not end their fight

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
16. We ALL need to get on the phones and canvass. For him. Since we feel this way. It matters.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:27 AM
Apr 2016


My Good Babushka

(2,710 posts)
19. I wouldn't say that
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:10 AM
Apr 2016

I think the momentum he's started will inspire lots of younger people to start getting serious about politics.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
24. Not if Hillary gets the nomination.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:44 AM
Apr 2016

Then I think a new third party will likely emerge and the Dems will merge with GOP eventually.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
21. I'm 65 years old and I been waiting a lifetime for a guy like Bernie. Hillary needs to drop
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:30 AM
Apr 2016

out of the race so the party can unite.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
34. You had a guy like Bernie run for President twice in the 1980s
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:18 AM
Apr 2016

His name was Jesse Jackson.

Beacool

(30,518 posts)
58. Hmmmm, nope.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:59 PM
Apr 2016

It ain't going to happen. Hillary is the choice of more registered Democrats than Sanders. She has 2.4M more votes than he does to prove it. Aside from being around 250 pledged delegates ahead of him. Why would she drop out?

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
22. For 15 years we've been foghting Romney, his Bain Cap., their partner Goldman Sachs
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:21 AM
Apr 2016

Willfully blind and corrupt federal judges and prosecutors

Even with the fact we have confessions

All the manifest injustice stops when POTUS Bernie Sanders....gets to pick a new/ honest U.S.A.G.
.
Help U.S. Bern one...you're our only hope

SidDithers

(44,333 posts)
28. The world is literally going to end if Bernie is not elected...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:58 AM
Apr 2016

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies!

Rivers and seas boiling!

Forty years of darkness!

Earthquakes, volcanoes. The dead rising from the grave!

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

Sid

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
32. Surely you must be joking
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:15 AM
Apr 2016

but isn't an economic disaster enough. That will happen. And the effects on families will be incalculably horrible.

With no jobs, and no future hope of jobs, millions of people will have to leave the country, but to go where? Where will they go?

Nobody will be welcoming Americans after Trump. Places like Panama or Mexico are not friendly to the US poor.

Have you ever been to countries where there are practically no jobs at all, except tourism, prostitution and crime? The whole nation may eventually become a huge ghetto with little walled off pockets of glittering affluence.

dr60omg

(283 posts)
29. Wonderful post . Sign not in my lifetime
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

I am 60 years old and like others who are my age: I will never see a candidate like Sanders in my lifetime. This is remarkable and I hope we don't squander this last opportunity

Bleacher Creature

(11,504 posts)
35. Unprepared? Weak on policy details? Ineffective in his current job? Bad temperament?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

Don't worry. I have a feeling we'll be seeing more like Bernie again.

Trenzalore

(2,575 posts)
41. You will see 3 next election cycle
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:53 PM
Apr 2016

He found a way to raise money successfully so he will be copied.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
45. Bernie has been part of the political scene for decades..
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:25 PM
Apr 2016

So i think you're underestimating his ability substantially.

He has consistently been right on issues that lots of others have gotten wrong. Going back 3 decades-

Trenzalore

(2,575 posts)
46. Meh
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:37 PM
Apr 2016

He's a back bencher from a liberal state where you can say whatever you want to from the left and still get elected.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
42. True, but the genie is out of the bottle and Bernie's political revolution will outlive him.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:02 PM
Apr 2016

azmom

(5,208 posts)
48. I've heard the same sentiment expressed
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:53 PM
Apr 2016

by several people. We are so lucky to have him.

athena

(4,187 posts)
49. If Hillary loses, we won't see a female president within our lifetimes.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:55 PM
Apr 2016

I've thought this for a while now. If Hillary can't win this, no woman can.

rurallib

(64,688 posts)
55. I think there are a couple of excellent women on the horizon
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:32 PM
Apr 2016

Unless you are in your 70s, there may well be another woman running for the White House in about 8 years. On the democratic side i would propose Kamala Harris may be future material, possibly Donna Edwards.

Unfortunately I am guessing the GOP will be working hard to advance a woman. This is there way of proving they are not an 'old, white haired men's club.' Don't puke, but look at someone like Joni Ernst. Very probably someone no one has heard of yet.

Qutzupalotl

(15,824 posts)
56. Elizabeth Warren!
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:51 PM
Apr 2016

Effective where she is, but if she had jumped in, she'd be running away with this thing by now. She just didn't want to oppose Clinton.

athena

(4,187 posts)
61. Elizabeth Warren is not running.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:03 PM
Apr 2016

And you don't know her reasons for not running because she chose not to share them.

Sorry, but the reality is that if Hillary does not win this thing, we will have no female president for a long, long time -- certainly not in our lifetime.

athena

(4,187 posts)
63. She's 66 years old.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:15 PM
Apr 2016

Only two years younger than Hillary.

If she was going to run, now would have been the time. She chose not to.

Qutzupalotl

(15,824 posts)
67. She chose not to this time.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:19 AM
Apr 2016

I'm sure she will be drafted in some future cycle, but only when Hillary is out of the picture.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
51. Being a President is not like being a king. A President needs power within the legislature.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:14 PM
Apr 2016

That power does not exist right now. Sanders would have zero effectiveness. In that context, I don't understand the point of the OP.

lostnfound

(17,520 posts)
60. Cabinet appointments. Truth telling platform. Prioritization
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:55 PM
Apr 2016

The amendment king could accomplish some good stuff but most of all might tell the truth about what goes on in washington

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