If Bernie shows up at the conference he will look very cynical. If he pulls out

[hill2016]

he will look just as cynical.


Talk about a self-inflicted wound!

And he gets out of NY just before the primary!!

[IamMab]

1. It really is a sight to behold. Total unforced error.

In this summary, I saw a great quote.
https://storify.com/Cajsa/sanders-and-the-vatican-story

adage w campaign people: it’s not your enemies that beat you, it’s your friends.

First Devine and Weaver covering their own posteriors before the campaign was even over, then the bungled response to a clickbait WaPo headline, and now this.

And this man expects to be President.

[hobbit709]

4. I sense changes in your future.

[Fumesucker]

2. To squelch an ugly rumor, Hillary will ~not~ be going to Hong Kong while Bernie is in the Vatican

No, Hillary is going to be at George Clooney's house for a glittering star studded fund raiser there, it is one of her surrogates, Gary Gensler, who will be collecting the payoffs donations in Hong Kong.

Just wanted to clear that up.

[hobbit709]

3. The stench of fail permeates this OP.

[RashaMZak]

9. It's an odeous stench that carries to any topic where the OP has that exact same avatar, I notice.

[AgerolanAmerican]

30. Operation Backfire continues

I can only imagine the mental state of the Clinton camp right now, feeling forced down the low road when even they must know full well that it's going to hurt her more than it hurts him. It's a political Jonestown unfolding before our eyes.

[jmg257]

5. Hey - its not dinner "with hollywood's most glamorous couple" - but it works for Sanders.

Let's see - Vatican invite or San Francisco pimp dinner?

[beam me up scottie]

20. LOLOLOL!

[BeyondGeography]

6. Why was this ever considered to be a good idea?

To Rome and back three days before a must-win primary. Bizarre.

[Hoyt]

7. He's not very good at 3-Dimensional Politics.

[TheBlackAdder]

11. I don't know about that. A lot here are losing their collective shit, with sudden concerns for him.

[Hoyt]

13. Well he did try to turn an invite to a small conference into a whole lot more than it is.

[TheBlackAdder]

17. Time will tell how insignificant that "small conference" is, but the whiners are losing their shit.

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It reeks of sour grapes, yet that perception somehow eludes the whiners.


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[Hoyt]

19. Come on, if Clinton had said she was meeting with the Pope, you guys

would want her indicted.

[TheBlackAdder]

24. You guys? I'm a poli-sci neutral, who is a solid Dem. I will vote for either Dem candidate.

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I smack down Sanders supporters from time to time, defending HRC's Mass. win the other day.

When stuff is right, it's right. When it's wrong, it's wrong.



Recently, most of the dumb shit seems to be coming from from the HRC side of the house. Many seem to focus and beat to death stupid trivial shit that doesn't mean anything, flooding the GD P with spam crap, over and over. Each OP feeds another, furthering the tension of some of the members. I see a level of neurosis coming over a few, based on their stressful posts, frequency, and obsession.

It's really unbecoming to see play out, and getting a little excessive.


Fight the battles worth fighting, so you voice is more powerful. All this little neener-neener stuff invalidates your posts.



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[Hoyt]

28. Pretending you are meeting with the Pope is a big deal. I too will vote for

Sanders if he wins.

[TheBlackAdder]

31. None of us have the internal communications that were passed, so seeing this concern is silly.

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The SBS guys do it too, harp on some dumb thing, but like the other day...

There must have been 10 Sanders Token OPs for every Hillary Swipe OP. There is a serious imbalance in this behavior.


The small campaign stupidity that goes on, happens in every campaign. I ignore it. But, when I'm here and see incessant OPs spamming the same stupid shit, it doesn't cast a good light on those that do it. It's getting to the point where I'm posting dumb memes because the breakdown of discourse has turned many OPs farcical. I give a few OPs a pass, but when the dumb shit doesn't settle down after an hour or so, I try to convey to knock the stupid stuff off, but no one listens anyway. People are too caught up in their own campaigns, extending them to their own personhood. Religion and politics works in the same centers of the brain, and even if a person is an atheist, they can hold political beliefs as strong and narrow as a fundamentalist or evangelical.


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[nadinbrzezinski]

34. I am actually finding this to be a fascinating poli sci excercise

but the way they are losing it... (And by that I mean Clinton Core Posters), tells me this is hardly an error and they are planting the seeds to counter the horrific optics

She having a cozy dinner with donors in San Fran, a very exclusive dinner, and her CFO having a 2700 affair in Hong Kong...

While their opponent is at one of those conferences on income inequality, a serious issue in world politics. this is why they are trying hard to at least neutralize the optics

[TheBlackAdder]

35. I've clued a couple of Poli-Sci/Psych Majors to this site for their thesis research.

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When Sanders would lose, their side went into a frenzy, when Clinton's side would lose, same thing.

But, there is another psychological anomoly that seems to present itself lately, and it's getting worse.


Watching human nature unfold, mostly following honor's/doctorate level research and instruction, is fascinating.


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[nadinbrzezinski]

36. Yup, and the complete and total cognitive disonance is fascinating

What amazes me is how they tell me I support one side over the other. I suppose that is why I am trying to get credentials to cover the Cruz rally (shh, that is what reporters do).

But there is another pattern that is emerging that is even more disturbing than the dissonance.

[Avalux]

18. Bernie will be speaking about the idolatry of money. No big deal, right?

I am amazed how Hillary Inc. is trying so hard to pretend this doesn't matter. Deep down inside they know it does.

[Hoyt]

21. My understanding is he is not speaking, but I could be wrong. Maybe you have a link.

[Avalux]

22. Here you go:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/08/bernie-sanders-vatican-visit-pope-francis?CMP=twt_gu

[Hoyt]

26. Here's the official proram. No speech listed. Maybe they'll find him a slot

as the 20 or so participants are checking out on the last day.

Conference programme:

http://www.pass.va/content/dam/scienzesociali/booklet/centesimus_annus.pdf


BTW, not a very diverse group there.

[noretreatnosurrender]

29. Thank God!

But he's damn good at building a movement of citizens to take on the corrupt establishment.

[Hoyt]

32. Yeah by promising them fantasies and pretending to be summoned by the Pope.

[noretreatnosurrender]

37. Your Brand of Spin May Work

on some of the Hillary supporters here but most of us here developed our critical thinking skills a long time ago. We don't need an anonymous person on the internet to explain to us about the Vatican invitation or about the anti-establishment movement that is coalescing around Bernie. We're quite capable of recognizing the truth on our own but thanks for the effort.

[cyberswede]

8. From The Atlantic

Even so, the simple fact of Sanders’s visit is remarkable: As a fairly progressive non-Catholic, he’s a curious choice of a speaker for a group of academically minded priests. In the middle of a tight race to the Democratic convention and presidential nomination, it’s also striking that he’s taking precious time off the campaign trail for a jaunt to Rome.

Jeffrey Sachs, a Columbia University professor who is presenting at the event, said in a phone interview that he helped the Vatican reach out to Bernie Sanders in March, and he doesn’t know why Archer alleged that the Sanders campaign initiated the gig. “The academy sent the invitation, it’s pure and simple,” he said. “A lot of people in the Vatican respect him a lot. He is speaking in the same kind of moral themes that Pope Francis, and the social teachings of the Church, promote, which is a moral economy.” A representative who works with Sachs also passed along an official invitation from Sanchez Sorondo to Sanders dated on March 30. But even though the invite appeared to come from an official Church body, that doesn’t mean it came from Pope Francis, and a spokesperson for the Vatican said it hasn’t been confirmed whether the senator and the pontiff will have a sit-down in Rome.

But although the venue isn’t much like the small-town high-school gymnasiums where Sanders has spent much of his time in recent weeks, this is another moment of Bernie being Bernie: taking any chance he can to decry the ills of the capitalism and the global economy, and to advance his vision of social justice.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/bernie-heads-to-the-vatican/477471/?utm_source=SFTwitter

[TM99]

12. Will Clinton look bad taking oodles

of cash in the Bay Area at a Clooney supported venture capitalists home?

Why isn't she staying in NY?

[Logical]

14. Lol, this is your brilliant analysis? Nt

[slipslidingaway]

15. Sanders called Hillary's bluff about more debates in late January, she almost begged for another ...

debate before the NH, but the Sanders said 'not so fast'

He agreed to the debate in NH if she would agree to three additional debates, one in Michigan, one in California and another in NY, hopefully in Brooklyn before the NY primary.

The debate will be held in Brooklyn, before the NY primary.

Sanders has rather good negotiating skills IMHO.

[GreatGazoo]

16. This going to help us win in November

No need for concern.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

23. thread #612 of hillbot poutrage spam about Bernie going to the vatican

Tune in tomorrow for more outrage when Bernie orders chicken soup and they scream " what about the chickens?? Won't someone think of the chickens!!?"

[oldandhappy]

25. now we know why he said no to some of the suggested debate dates

[HERVEPA]

27. If you leave this post up, you will look stupid. Talk about a self-inflicted wound.

[oasis]

33. He'll go. It's worth the coverage that comes with the trip. nt

[Blue_In_AK]

38. LOL LOL

You really do crack me up.