I don't get it. Why are so many HRC supporters so frantically belittling Sanders' Vatican invite?

[Marr]

A US politician was invited to speak on the idolatry of money and the problems it presents to our world. I would think that's something Democrats would see as an unambiguously positive event.

I don't understand this reaction we're seeing; these frenzied attempts to rip it apart, to belittle the gesture and all involved. What gives?

[Armstead]

1. It hit a nerve methinks

If Clinton were going it would be touted as evidence of her international stature

[madokie]

104. Spot on

Bernie is the person who can turn this pay to play otherwise called the united states of america around. Actually gives me hope. Gives me hope for the most important person in my life and thats my 9 year old Grand Daughter

[RKP5637]

130. K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[Yurovsky]

132. Yep... Won't be anything left for the next generation...

if the Big Banks, Wall Street, & corporate elite are allowed to continue to eviscerate the working-class and poor of America. 1% shouldn't own everything and force the rest of us to beg for scraps. Bernie will put a stop to this, and redirect this party and country back towards focusing on social and economic justice.

[RKP5637]

137. If this nation continues its current trend, most of the populace will be uneducated and living in

poverty. I think it will lead to a mass rebellion leaving the US looking like other countries that have fallen apart. Looking at the Trump phenomena, one can already see that happening. Also, I do wonder if HRC can win the GE. There are so many political dynamics going on, and HRC is running as the establishment, when millions and millions of people of all stripes are fed up with the establishment and frankly the Clintons. Many do not want a political dynasty.

[redwitch]

126. Yup. No doubt about that.

It has just gotten silly.

[nashville_brook]

147. heck, it'd be touted as evidence of divine intervention

[jwirr]

149. A gentle honest Senator from a small state is invited to

make a speech that a SOS might very well consider it her place to make on a world problem that she thinks is her job.

Think about it. She has been in place to deal with world policy matters and here the Senator from a small state is asked to represent us in this conference on world problems.

Oh my. Anyone get their toes stepped on?

[Joe the Revelator]

2. Because Bill was a big racist fool yesterday, and they badly needed to change the subject.nt

[awake]

103. + 1000

Bingo

[Warren Stupidity]

136. Dead center bullseye.

[krawhitham]

173. +1,000,000

[dchill]

174. The Exacto Distracto!

Your shirt's on fire! Now it's out...

[pdsimdars]

185. Nice idea but I don't think so, they would have smeared Bernie no matter what esle was happening

[morningfog]

3. Because they operate on pure hate.

[revbones]

4. It's not the candidate they decided to back. nt

[CentralCoaster]

5. Jealous. They think that Hillary would be far more deserving of this honor.

And it's eating them alive.

The lies about inviting himself, and now they're celebrating the news that the Pope will be away from the Vatican when Bernie is visiting.

Well, that's little consolation but if it cheers them up I guess that's good. It's been a shitty week for Hills.

But a great week for us and for Bernie. Maybe the Pope will pop in after all!

[dr60omg]

40. Except he is not leaving until the 16th

So maybe they ought to learn how to fact check this is silly stuff. If that is all they have they are truly pathetic.

[CentralCoaster]

41. Yup, Pope in Greece 14th-15th, Bernie event is 15th-16th. There's a chance for a meeting.

And thank goodness if there is one.

Bernie and the Pope, a meeting of the minds with a shared vision for the future.

Were it the other candidate, we'd see a hoard of press, and her posing with his Holiness and a selfie stick.

[noiretextatique]

159. I am confused: Did the Pope push back his Greece trip?

I read that a some point here today?

[noiretextatique]

161. Pope is going to Greece on the 16th eom

[Zira]

48. I have a feeling it's going to be a bad year for them. If Hill wins all hell will break lose over

those non elected superdelegates. I won't be a Dem anymore if she gets to steal this election, and I've only seen the DNC do election fraud this year. The only thing keeping me registered at all, is Bernie.

[oldandhappy]

55. yup!

Keeping my Dem registration until I can vote Bernie in the primary, then changing to Indie. DNC and DWS have driven me away.

[w4rma]

62. If you want to get back at them, vote against every "New" Democrat in every primary hereafter. (nt)

[RKP5637]

133. I voted for Bernie and then changed my voter registration to Unaffiliated/Independent. The democratic

party has left me. I am not part of the DNC/DLC/DWS/HRC machine. I will vote for HRC if I have to, but I am not a fan!

[beam me up scottie]

6. Anti-intellectualism, jealousy, deflection from Bill's rant yesterday.

Take your pick, it really is quite a spectacle.

[TM99]

37. You can add Clintons

utter lack of moral authority to the mix.

While he is speaking on economic justice, she will be wallowing in insane wealth with the Clooney's at a fundraiser at a venture capitalists swanky home in the Bay Area.

[Peace Patriot]

47. I'm hoping there's a subversive at that $$$$$$$ Clooney dinner!

Someone with a hidden iPhone. Maybe one of the waiters or scullery maids? Or a discontented 'trophy wife'? Or some high rolling jokester who just likes popping peoples' balloons? SOMEBODY STEP UP! I want to hear the dirty jokes of the uber-rich about the poor and Pope St. Francis and St. Bernie. O-o-o-oh, wouldn't you like to be a fly on that gold-papered wall?! Maybe some enterprising guerrilla reporter or BLM or Occupy activist? "Occupy Clooney!"

[99th_Monkey]

176. Given how the 2016 election is going, this could easily happen

I'm with you. Active imagination.

[Zira]

49. +10000, that is exactly what is going on.

[nichomachus]

7. The stench of desperation

Had Hillary been invited, the Hillaryites would be screaming that it was the equivalent of canonization. They are falling apart, just like her shopworn campaign.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

27. It must be late.

I read shopworn as "showporn." It works out the same I guess.

[islandmkl]

69. your word is more appropriate, i believe...

[840high]

160. ....

Like your word

[notadmblnd]

8. The green eyed monster is very very ugly.

nt

[dogman]

9. It's the Hillary Hornets.

The hive is threatened, the queen has called for an all out attack.

[840high]

164. Those hornets drank too much hater-aid.

[TDale313]

10. They feel the need to trash anything good Bernie does or has done.

And let's face it- this is a big deal and is centered around economic justice- the central message of his campaign and a huge weakness for her.

[timmymoff]

11. Maybe it's none of these and they just feel like the vatican Berned them.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

12. the hillary supporters here are a sad lot

they have no understanding of reality - they want to stay on the road to destruction

[kgnu_fan]

13. insecurity of scared ego

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

14. It is simple...

All that needs to be said. They've spent all day trying to tear down this awesome moment with every absurd attack they could conjure. They just look jealous.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. Because the "optics" of being invited to an international conference

on economic justice (to which Hillary was not invited) are favorable to Bernie - especially since while Bernie will be talking about the idolatry of money, Hillary will be at that $350,000 fundraiser at George Clooney's place, rubbing shoulders with the rich and famous and collecting the big donations. Their panties are in such a bunch over this that they can barely move.

[kennetha]

108. There aren't going to be any optics

It's not open to the public. Doubt it will be open to the press.

Where would the optics come from?

[retrowire]

114. it's all over the news right now isn't it?

optics

[demwing]

16. They have seen the very real potential for losing New York

And a full-scale, four-alarm, hair-on-fire, shit-storm panic erupted.

Finally, without regard to what they admit, they have felt the Bern.

[DemocracyDirect]

24. Facing the likelihood of winning less states than Bernie Sanders does.

With Missouri and Nevada flipping, Bernie has won more States now.

And with Wyoming coming tomorrow.

Gasp!

[enigmatic]

64. If Bernie wins New York, Hillary is done.

If Bernie wins, the dam will burst just like it did for Obama in 2008, where the momentum was unstoppable and all Hillary's campaign could do was to stand by helplessly, flinging poo.

That's why the New York Debate will see Hillary throwing everything she has at Bernie. Everything. It will be ugly. And it will help her lose the primary, and ultimately, the nomination. She won't be able to help herself.

[pangaia]

155. I kinda think maybe for the NY debate,

Bernie should a modified game plan.. something Hillary and her handlers will never be expecting, stick to what he does so well,, but.. add a little twist.. a new angle on the truth..
I have no idea what it would be...

[melman]

17. Subway tokens, ping pong

something stupid every day. Doesn't matter what.

[Kalidurga]

28. And every time it turns out Hillary had a worse moment

Swipe swipe swipe swipe swipe

[GreatGazoo]

18. The media coverage of this thing going into the NY primary is going to be untouchable

Remember how McCain looked during this ?

[kennetha]

109. Barack Obama gave a Major Speech

Bernie is going to a closed academic conference, attended by 30 academics.

I suppose he could try to arrange some public appearances elsewhere. Not in the Vatican though. Ain't going to happen.

[GreatGazoo]

129. I can't go into details but get ready to be surprised (again) next week.

[kennetha]

134. Let me guess,

Sachs and he are trying to use Sach's connections in Italy to get him to give a public speech somewhere to cover their proverbial behinds, so that Bernie doesn't look so foolish. I mean especially if he plans on taking his traveling press corp with him, he's gotta do something to generate some optics.

[Kelvin Mace]

19. It's what they do

[Warren DeMontague]

20. they're convinced that if they can just find the right talking point, people wont support him

they don't understand that it's about issues, not point scoring.

[bjo59]

46. Exactly.

[RufusTFirefly]

21. You're right. You don't get it.

Opposing the idolatry of money rejects everything the Clinton era Democratic Party is predicated upon.

And don't even get me started on "Blessed are the peacemakers" !

[BernieforPres2016]

22. Because it elevates Bernie's stature and makes him look like Presidential material

The Queen and the MSM have been pretending that she looks down on this race from on high; Bernie was supposedly just a token opponent.

There are 5 Presidential candidates still in the race and the Vatican invited one. This is about as close to an endorsement from the Vatican as any political candidate will ever get. And this Pope is a rock star, as his U.S. trip last year showed.

And Bernie's trip to the Vatican occurs leading up to primaries in 5 of the 7 most heavily Catholic states in the U.S.

I would have loved to have seen the expressions on Bill's and Hillary's faces when they heard the news. Clearly, they had no idea it was coming or they would have leaked a rumor and launched a campaign to try to stop it.

[kennetha]

110. You really believe this?

This make him look like a putz, not a president.

This is one of the dumbest political moves in a primary ever.

[retrowire]

116. lmao this makes him look like a putz?

why you so mad? XD

[kennetha]

123. you mean, mad as in angry, or mad as in stark raving mad?

I'm neither. I'm amused.

[retrowire]

124. When someone is amused, they sit back and observe.

When they aren't happy with the results, they jump in.

You're jumping a lot in this thread. lol

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. Because team Hilly didn't get there first.

[anotherproletariat]

25. Because he was on the view this morning billing it as if he was summoned by the pope...

when in actuality he was invited by the organizers of a conference to speak about the relationship between economics and Catholic doctrine that happens to be in the Vatican...while the pope is away visiting Greece. It looks like he was being purposefully misleading (even if he didn't intend to), which is a huge thing for a candidate who bases his entire image on being trustworthy and above-the-fray.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

31. "purposely misleading even if he didn't mean to"

Doubleplusgood

[Silver_Witch]

33. Actually the Pope is traveling the next day - not the day of the conference.

[islandmkl]

71. if he was a Clinton he would say he was 'almost' invited by the Pope...

[Fast Walker 52]

92. I think I just hurt myself, rolling my eyes so hard

[Native]

156. same interview where he also said he had "a lot in common with the Pope" - what an ego!

When asked if he was meeting with the Pope, he says, "Yup." And when asked what he has in common with the Pope, he says, "We have a lot in common." And he says it very matter-of-factly - like there is no doubt in his mind that the two of them have a lot in common. Must be all the sharing of ideas and conversations and get to know you meetings they've had. Or maybe Bernie was secretly raised by Jesuits. How could anyone presume to have "a lot in common" with the Pope? That is so totally bizarre to me.

[noiretextatique]

163. Q: Are you meeting the Pope?

A: Yup. Pope will be there. Greece trip pushed back to the 16th. Purposely misleading

[amborin]

26. pure serendipity, apparently, but it's an implicit mockery of HRC and what she represents;

so that has enraged them; plus, the furor also distracts from the Panama Papers.

[Kalidurga]

29. #Hoodgate #IdolatryOfMoneyGate #PanamaPapersGate

And close to 65% of New Yorkers are Catholic. I didn't know this. So, yes this was a brilliant move on Bernie's part although I am pretty sure it wasn't calculated I think it was more a thing where he was invited cuz it's up his ally so he is going.

[hopeforchange2008]

88. I agree!

The hrc supporters ridicule sincerity because their idol rejects it.

[whatchamacallit]

30. Desperate batshitery

[EffieBlack]

32. Bernie Underground is an interesting place

where people ask why HRC supporters do something and then a couple of dozen Bernie supporters line up in the thread to explain their motivations - and, of course, each "explanation" is a pejorative that merely repeats the same old anti-Hillary smears.

Nothing like watching a group of fans gather together to talk amongst themselves, ask and answer their own rhetorical questions and satisfy themselves that they are indeed on the side of good and everyone else is a lying, corrupt fool. And, of course, Bernie's so dreamy ...

Fascinating.

[TM99]

38. So lone Clinton supporter

why the fuss then?

Is it the moral juxtaposition? Is it the optics going into a state with a high Catholic population? Is it to distract us from 'discredit & disqualify'? Or perhaps it is to distract us from Bill's racist rants?

[whatchamacallit]

67. *crickets*

[noiretextatique]

90. All of the above: petty, childish, desperate, dishonest

Take your pick.

[Dawgs]

72. Hillary supporters are free to use the site as much as anyone else.

And they can answer the question and respond to posts they don't like as well. It is GDP.

Maybe you should more concerned that you are the only that's willing to respond for your side.

[Uponthegears]

87. IF

this OP had been posted in the Bernie group, you would have a point. Lord knows we see that all the time in both the Bernie and Hillary groups.

BUT IT WASN'T

It was posted out here in a forum where EVERY Hillary supporter is free to come in here and post a response, fettered only by the practical necessity that they be able to defend their position. For example, YOU could have given us the "real reasons" Hillary supporters have tried everything from falsely claiming that Bernie "invited himself" to belittling the Pontifical Academy itself. Yes, you would have been criticized, BUT all you would need have done to counter that criticism was to support your position with facts.

Of course, YOU DIDN'T

YOU chose to attack an open forum discussion as "one-sided" when the ONLY reason it is "one-sided" is because your side doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to join the discussion stand up for itself.

WHINING is no substitute for substance.

[noiretextatique]

89. Bullshit...this rejection of reality was/is pathetic and petty

And the idiots deserve every bit of ridicule they get.

[uponit7771]

150. but but a damn bird landed on his podium !!! /sarcasm <--- cause this is needed around here

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. They are trying to neutralize the optics truly

that is what is going on

[Califonz]

35. George Orwell described it best 70 years ago:

"All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia."

[Loudestlib]

36. The real reason?

There are a lot of Catholics in New York. Any positive relationship between Sanders and the Vatican could sway a lot of votes.

[jmg257]

39. Why ? Because while Sanders is "invited to speak on the idolatry of money/the problems it presents"

Clinton will be charging $353,000 to sit with her & the glamorous Clooneys at a dinner in the Bay Area.

Kind of obvious, isn't it?

[PufPuf23]

42. Petty is as petty does. eom

[jeff47]

43. Lots of claims of jealousy, petty and such. The real reason

is one of the few claims Clinton makes about why she would be better is she has experience in foreign policy.

Sanders having a chat with the Vatican starts to undermine that advantage. So it must be attacked at all costs.

[Aerows]

61. Quite astute of an observation there

That makes a lot of sense.

[polly7]

80. That, and her foreign policy consisted of bringing war, suffering and fracking to the undeserving.

Completely opposite to the goals of this conference and Sanders ideology.

She doesn't want people to discuss any of that until AFTER the coronation.

[berningman]

93. I think it an all of the above situation. I haven't heard an explanation that doesn't fit the bill

yet. Unless it's coming from 1 of the unhinged.

[polly7]

95. Agree. and this is a great thread!

[suffragette]

179. Yes and it's demonstrating that foreign policy can be about discussion, consensus

And building positive relations to achieve goals that would benefit most people, not just the wealthy.

There's more to foreign policy than constant conflict and battle.

[TheFarS1de]

44. Between this and the bird ...

they know the optics are fantastic for Sanders going into the later stages . And when you look at the percentage of Catholics in the upcoming states it becomes crystal clear it is pure jealousy of how well this fell into place for him .

They are simply trying to destroy anything decent in this nomination process and to hell with the actual outcome .

[OZi]

45. Somebody might get some positive media attention

that Hillary may not be able to evolve her way into replicating.

[JI7]

50. most of them are doing it to annoy and rile up Sanders supporters

i guess you can call it shit stirring

[CoffeeCat]

56. I'll never understand the payoff for them

What is the big Holy Grail for them?

So they mock us or denigrate Bernie's accomplishments, or rile someone up. So what? What then? What they try so hard to do makes no difference in our lives, in their candidate's life or in the outcome of this race.

Why do they do it?

[stillwaiting]

74. Many don't like us. They really don't.

Many HRC supporters like Republicans more than they like us.

Just like their candidate.

[berningman]

96. ding ding ding

[frylock]

168. They hate the left more than they hate the right.

[AgingAmerican]

51. Apparently orders came down from above telling them to go full Monte negative.

[oldandhappy]

52. Maybe knee-jerk reaction re anything not focused on their beloved?

Kind of like the repubs against the president?

[Zira]

53. They can't handle that their candidate is too corrupt and they are losing.

At this point they are betting on 1. voter suppression, and 2. joining Hillary's scorched earth by attacking everything Bernie.

It must suck to support such a dishonest 1% corpratist and have to go against an actual honest candidate for the 99%.

They are on the wrong side of history and that is probably consistent for them.

[Fla Dem]

142. OMG, What a scathing retort! Bernie acolytes are truly amazing!

[myrna minx]

54. It's really bizarre, actually.

[Zira]

60. Start using the red x on them. I found it turns it into a Liberal Democratic board.

I also stopped seeing the gunnuts after the first week here when I discovered that x. Lovely x. Lovely site. I nearly left because of the Hillarians, gunnuts, racists against muslim, etc. Now its as liberal as Common Dreams - where I usually hang.

[silvershadow]

58. She is in free-fall, and they know it. Plus, the Vatican turned down the Clinton Foundation

for an invite, according to The Hill. Ouch.

[peacebird]

83. That, and Catholicism is the majority religion in NY and a number of other upcoming states...

[Aerows]

59. Summation.

[enigmatic]

63. Great song.

Love the original, faster version:

[Sky Masterson]

65. Because they've got NOTHING!

A shallow crippled poll-driven candidate who seems to be plagued with a shitty voting record and her negatives are only barely above trumps. I think they WANT to lose. I think they believe Clinton can beat Trump without them even considering that Trump is not going to be the candidate.

[B Calm]

66. Hillary's campaign took a big hit with Bill Clinton pointing his finger at BLM. They thought

they could change the news by making up shit about Bernie. So sad, especially if they want us all to unite. Hillary needs to drop out or I'm afraid this election will be lost.

[silenttigersong]

68. Perhaps, if anyone recalls

Sen.Sanders named Climate Change as the greatest threat ,as did Pope Francis .

[rosesaylavee]

70. They have nothing to promote.

Secy. Clinton has no new policies or new ideas. She is suggesting her administration will provide more of the same in a time of crisis for the majority of the citizens in this country and the world at large. Her lack of vision will either tank her bid to be President or, if she wins the White House, will tank her administration. I am sure she is concerned that she wasn't invited and if she had been, what on earth could she have said at such a gathering?

[Joob]

73. I'm focusing on issues, any one that doesn't bring up issues gets ignored. nt

[2pooped2pop]

75. the pope declined an invite to the Clinton

Foundation gala. I guess that's what I call a Bern.

[riversedge]

76. One reason--Host: You're meeting with the POPE? Bernie: "Yup" (sitting nodding)

X-post--from April 8 show


On The View today-Sanders said he was going to meet with the POPE
One of hosts said to the audience--.....

Host: You're meeting with the POPE?
Bernie: "Yup" (sitting nodding)

Then the host told the audience --Pope Francis has invited Bernie sanders...Clap clap


Sanders said he was meeting with the Pope. Then when the host told the audience he said nothing--He just nodded ...!!(very short You-tube clip
WHOW!

PS--Sanders is NOT meeting with Pope Francis

[Myrina]

77. Because the driving force behind her campaign is

"ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!!!!!" and anyone or anything - even the Pope - who doesn't feed that ego is considered a traitor or saboteur.

[stone space]

78. Discussions of Idolatry on DU are difficult.

Many folks here on DU object to such discussions, even atheists who one might expect to be sympathetic as a group to the struggles against False Gods.

Part of it stems from the fact that even atheists can get caught up in Idolatry.

[hobbit709]

79. they're jealous because no one wants Hillary to speak on that subject.

[JTFrog]

81. Why can't we just keep religion out of our politics?

The most disgusting things happen when politicians mix church and state.

[Tarc]

82. The better questino is why are Sanders people gleeful about attending a conference hosted

by the Vatican, who, while not as virulent as it has been under previous Popes, is still very much anti-choice and anti-gay rights?

[noiretextatique]

97. I am not gleeful...but it is interesting

To see the reaction of Hillary supporters. At least you are more inventive than most.

[DrDan]

84. I don't think his invitation is being belittled - it's the false claim that he will be

meeting with the Pope, and that the invitation came from the Pope

[WolverineDG]

85. Jealousy

it's the same way they acted in 2008. All offended because (a) someone dared to run against HRC & (b) people dared to support them instead of doing what their betters told them to do.

You'd think Hillary would have spent the past 8 years developing a different campaign strategy instead of the passive-aggressive rehash of 2008, but nope.

[Fla Dem]

144. Oh yes we are so jealous that HRC isn't attending an academic seminar

in Rome, when she could be back in NY campaigning. Oh woe is us.

[WolverineDG]

182. Thank you for proving my point. nt

[AgerolanAmerican]

86. Because she is mathematically inevitable

and this is how she plans to unite the party for the general election

or something like that

[Zira]

140. I think the party is divided more than ever before. The DNC corruption means they are losing a good

half if not 60-70%. This voter suppression of Dems has pretty much ended them. How can we be part of a political party that wants themselves to elect the presidential nomine and not us? They aren't for us. The Hillarians just haven't figured it out yet because in this election the DNC corruption favors their candidate. Brighter voters would reject the corruption completely because the next election will only be the DNC choice and it will be luck if it is a democratic voter's choice. It won't be any luck for me because I'm refusing the 1% candidates and that's the only way the DNC is going to pick.

The corruption is too painfully obvious. It's a wonder anyone would stay.

[Fast Walker 52]

91. yeah, it's insane-- I guess they have nothing more important to go with

[ucrdem]

94. He isn't scheduled to speak and he isn't meeting the pope.

The pope will be of town. So Bernie turned a little feather into a big wad of phony baloney.

[noiretextatique]

98. No...the pope is in town

You sound bitter and petty, typical.

[ucrdem]

99. Verb tense matters. nt

[noiretextatique]

158. The Pope postponed his trip

He will be at the Vaticam during the conference. Is that the right tense?

[mythology]

100. Because sometimes politics is stupid

It's become so tribalized that it's hard for one group to admit anything positive about another. It's stupid the amount of bickering over whether the invite was from the pope or if Sanders will meet the pope. This is a good thing. People should just let it be.

[haikugal]

101. Probably because Hills didn't get an invite...

[99Forever]

102. One word.

Jealousy.

[BainsBane]

105. I think it's fantasitc

I look forward to hearing his carefully researched academic paper presented at the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences on the 25th anniversary of Centisimus Annus. Two weeks isn't much time to put together an academic research paper, but knowing Bernie's profound grasp of the the text, I'm sure he can do it.

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[Lizzie Poppet]

106. Two reasons:

One: they're shitting themselves over the optics. Bernie attends a Vatican conference on economic and social justice...and the same time Hillary's accepting legal bribes and hobnobbing with celebrities. Ouch.

Two: it's a great way to try and deflect from Bill's horrible, doubled-down-on gaffe with #BLM.

[kennetha]

112. There won't be ANY optics

Closed conference, attendance 30 academics.

Surely the won't allow this to be turned into a Bernie photo op.

So, what optics?

[Lizzie Poppet]

115. Any photo of Bernie there will do.

Any pic that evokes the gulf between the candidates illustrated by their respective activities that day will do. Denying that these are horrible optics for Hillary is borderline delusional.

[kennetha]

117. back at ya bud.

How would you like to make a little bet, that the campaign won't go through with this fiasco.

[Lizzie Poppet]

119. I suppose that's a possibility.

But I'd be surprised if it came to be.

[Marr]

145. Which campaign? /nt

[retrowire]

118. everybody already knows it's happening

there's your optics. so sorry Hillary wasn't invited.

[kennetha]

120. The optics of him lying about it on The View and Morning Joe

looking so smug and self-satisfied, as if he had actually been blessed and endorsed by the Pope himself?

Those optics?

[retrowire]

121. he was invited.

and sure, you can keep pushing those optics if you'd like. not like we have proof the Pope won't see him, he will be in town on the 15th after all.

still, Hillary shlubs with celebrities for money while Bernie speaks about immorality. I'll keep speaking that truth, you keep pushing your hopes that Bernie won't meet the Pope.

[kennetha]

122. he was invited because one of his supporters lobbied to get him invited

but Bernie misunderstood the nature of the invitation.

A small, closed conference that was already set, with speakers all lined up, Jeff Sachs wrangles him a last minute invitation, to merely attend the conference as one of 6 "other participants." Though he gets to be part of the discussion, for sure, he wasn't even invited to SPEAK. Actually sort of humiliating for the would be leader of the free world. But Bernie is so eager to play this up as something big. He clearly thought it would be the news of the day.

It's kind of pathetic and makes him look like a putz rather than as a potential president.

[retrowire]

125. You know what's pathetic?

A potential leader of the free world hob nobbing with celebrities for fundraising.

[kennetha]

107. Actually, he wasn't even invited to speak

He's was invited to be one of the "other participants" in a closed conference, to be attended by a grand total of 30 mostly academics. He'll get a chance to join the intimate discussion, after others speak, but he's basically going as a hanger on.

[Fumesucker]

111. All this sturm und drang over a nothingburger

I appreciate the entertainment..

[quantumjunkie]

113. K&R

[Buzz Clik]

127. There's this, with Sanders blaring the trumpet of his personal invite from the Pope himself

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511689087

That's why.

[RKP5637]

128. I would think many would support it, it's what this world needs! It's a reason I changed my

voter registration from democratic to Unaffiliated/Independent. I will still vote democratic, but I do not care for the "new" democratic party of DNC/DLC/DWS/HRC. I don't want to be counted as one of the herd.

[Zira]

139. True. I'm changing for the same reason.

[RKP5637]

141. Yep! And both the parties are minorities in the US per Gallup, so many are fed up with them.

[Doctor_J]

171. They think only of Mrs. Clinton, not at all of the party or the 99%

[RKP5637]

172. It's a very very very selfish stance they take. n/t

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

131. No kidding?! Fascinating!

[Hoyt]

135. The conference is fine. Pretending you have been summoned by the Pope during NY election is sleazy.

30+% in NY are Catholics. Don't kid yourself that this is a political stunt, and a clumsy one at that.

Conference programme: http://www.pass.va/content/dam/scienzesociali/booklet/centesimus_annus.pdf

[artislife]

138. I know that most fundies only tolerate Catholics

when they vote for the things they want, but don't really consider them Christians.


Wow....this reminds me of something.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

143. He's doing it for the $250k speaking fee. Wait...wrong politician.

[840high]

167. Hillary said at one time she

speaks to God. Wonder what she charges him?

[Petrushka]

178. DUzy!

[cui bono]

146. Because they don't have principles. They only have idolatry.

Most of the same posters did the same with Obama. Blindly support and defense no matter if it goes against what Dems are supposed to stand for and fight for.

Issues be damned, just as long as there's pics to post and gush over. It's PoliTiger Beat.

.

[RoccoR5955]

148. Desperation

That is all.
Oh, did I forget to mention that someone told me that the Vatican did ask Clinton to speak, but her speaking fees were too high for them.

[matt819]

151. It's (fill in the blank) derangement syndrome

If Bernie says, factually, that it's a sunny day, HRC supporters will trot out and opposing forecast. They micro analyze every nuance, and they're usually wrong. It's a mystery. If she is the nominee, it will be hard to line up side by side with these people. And vice versa I expect. Sad state of affairs.

[krispos42]

152. A) The Clintons have become very rich

B) The Clintons have become very rich by charging organizations that have tons of cash 5-6 figures for speaking engagements at their organizations.

C) The Clintons, having become very rich, no longer see the problem of massive wealth and income inequality as a problem. They have grown into their money.

D) The Clintons, running for office and no longer having any issue with the purpose of the conference of wealth/income inequality, therefore see their political opponent as AGAINST something their opponent is FOR, and thus attack him.

E) Clinton supporters, by definition, are largely (at minimum) satisfied with the Clintons views on things in general, and thus are largely in line with the Clintons being AGAINST something their opponent is FOR, and thus also attack him.

Doubtless some Clinton supporters are uncomfortable with attacks on Sanders on this issue, but they are also uncomfortable with being in opposition to Clinton, and thus are silent or nearly so on this topic when there are other topics for which they can be very enthusiastic about Clinton.

[pangaia]

153. The PNAC and the bankers just got skunked..

[brush]

154. Because he agreed on "The View" on national TV that the Pope invited him.

That was not true.

Plus, I'm wondering with pure amazement at why in the world is Sanders going out of the country 4 days before the New York primary, the MOST important one to date and the one where he could finally catch up in the delegate count?

And to an obscure academic conference where the Pope won't be instead of campaigning hard in the streets of New York?

[NurseJackie]

180. Yep! Their paragon of virtue and honesty LIED about something so easily disproved... why?

It's less about he "invite" than it is about the LYING and obvious intent to deceive. And even if he was "confused" about where the invite came from (or who did the actual inviting) that doesn't speak very well for him either. Considering that he repeated the same lie twice (View and Morning Joe) it's also not a plausible defense for his campaign to claim that he misspoke or didn't hear the question properly.

Under any other circumstances, this would be a non-event. But its Bernie's supporters who have put him up on this pedestal and now we can more easily see his clay feet.

[snowy owl]

157. Maddow today repeating "disqualify" meme after HRC said let it go. Negative, negative, negative .

It is becoming the "lie" of the land in Clintonville. Everything negative they can throw gets thrown. They rip it all. No matter how informative, how factual, they go negative.

I guess she now has Sat 3-4 to throw more dirt. Desperate.

[senz]

162. They've gone absolutely nuts with this. Multiple OPs slamming Bernie over it.

They want to twist it into a negative and then elevate it into a major scandal.

Like candidate, like supporter.

[reddread]

165. because the nervous reactions continue for a while

after the deathstroke

[frylock]

166. Purely out of envy.

They are grinding their teeth because their candidate was not even considered to attend.

[ucrdem]

169. How does crowing about a trip to the Vatican speak truth to power, anyway?

He's not even scheduled to speak.

[totodeinhere]

175. We are not "crowing" about it.

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We are discussing negative comments made about Bernie's trip to the Vatican coming from Hillary supporters.

[Doctor_J]

170. Mostly because they are out of options

Bernie will be speaking with the Vatican about global poverty/wealth imbalance while Hillary charges people over a $175,000 each to have dinner with her. They have taken to a 100% smear campaign, and every attack boosts Bernie's stature, campaign, and determination.

[Odin2005]

177. Wall Street was offended, that is all there is too this "outrage".

Third Wayers obey their corporate masters.

[lostnfound]

181. Haters, who don't care about a decent Democratic politician or any of us millions that support him?

no wisdom, no peace.

[JoePhilly]

183. We should talk about people Bill met 40 years ago

... cause that's far more relevant.

[pdsimdars]

184. It clearly shows who is working for good and who is on the other side.