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slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:32 AM Apr 2016

Write in candidates, I understand that 42 states allow write in candidates...

last week my 25 year old son said that he could no longer vote for Clinton in the GE, for numerous reasons, and he joined many of his friends who feel the same way.

This is a reality that many of the millennials are facing today, they are aware of the consequences of just voting for a party and want someone with a broader view and not sure how to vote in November.

Going along with the status quo is not inspirational.

Our party needs to inspire, Sanders has done that, Clinton not so much.

So I told him that he could write in candidate or maybe vote for Stein, there is no convincing him to vote for Clinton.

Any other advice?









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Write in candidates, I understand that 42 states allow write in candidates... (Original Post) slipslidingaway Apr 2016 OP
Tell him to do all possible to help Bernie get the nomination. SheilaT Apr 2016 #1
He has contributed money as has my daughter ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #7
What??? SheilaT Apr 2016 #23
We vote in the June primaries, or aka we never have a say, so we look more towards the GE ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #25
Okay, so Clinton isn't an option. SheilaT Apr 2016 #29
Vote Democratic for congress. uppityperson Apr 2016 #2
Think he will, but surprised to hear him say emphatically last week that he will not vote ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #10
The president is only 1 race on the ballot though most publicized. And you don't have to vote for uppityperson Apr 2016 #36
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #18
We relegate the next generation at our own peril ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #26
A lot of us who live in blue and red states feel like our votes don't count. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #27
The younger generationr are not as constrained by labels ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Apr 2016 #3
He will not forget this election, but also not bowing down to corprate interests :) nt slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #11
Good deal. nt :) silvershadow Apr 2016 #12
Tell him to get ready rusty fender Apr 2016 #4
Why? Did Bernie bow out? nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #13
Seriously! The middle class has been losing ground for decades, that is what I wil tell him ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #15
I think the point is, that doesn't drive millenials. Zira Apr 2016 #20
Tell him about the 2000 election and it's outcome. nt DesertRat Apr 2016 #5
Silly! Hillary didn't run then. revbones Apr 2016 #6
All they had to do was choose between ultrapure Nader and two candidates he said didn't have... Hekate Apr 2016 #9
Fracking queen Hillary will certainly take us into more bogus military conflict. seattleite Apr 2016 #35
Tell him he's been lied to if he "can't" vote for Hillary. That is ludicrous. nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #8
No way, do you think people are robots without looking at the facts .... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #16
Tell him to consider the (awful) alternatives Rhiannon12866 Apr 2016 #14
I give the millennials kudos for recognizing the truth and what the alteratives have brought ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #21
My point was the fact they have managed to steal elections Rhiannon12866 Apr 2016 #38
the stealing was what made it close MisterP Apr 2016 #34
That and the fact that there were people in power who managed to disenfranchise so many who voted Rhiannon12866 Apr 2016 #40
when voter caging wasn't punished, they started dismantling the VRA MisterP Apr 2016 #41
I agree that this was absolutely unconscionable Rhiannon12866 Apr 2016 #42
I see that voting for down ballot Dems has been covered: Check. OZi Apr 2016 #17
Thx and I agree that leaving a mark is better than staying home, it was just so revealing when ... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #22
Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #19
I will pass this along, you always have the best quotes .... slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #24
Write in candidates? carburyme Apr 2016 #30
If Clinton wants us to unite, why are her supporters making up crap about Bernie B Calm Apr 2016 #31
That's unfortunate. I would be really disappointed if anyone in my family DanTex Apr 2016 #32
voting for a write in canidate is pretty useless Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #33
Kicked Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #37
PUMA's of 2016. seabeyond Apr 2016 #39
Doesn't sound like he needs any advice to me. Seems as though he's got it together. nt NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #43
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
1. Tell him to do all possible to help Bernie get the nomination.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:33 AM
Apr 2016

He can phone bank, if nothing else.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
7. He has contributed money as has my daughter ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:03 AM
Apr 2016

strange this, I thought my son would comply more readily with his vote, but after last week he said no way. He intends to not vote, as many of his friends.

Strange thing is that the millennial generation are as not easily convinced that voting for the lesser of two evils is something that wish to engage.

Thx

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
23. What???
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:12 AM
Apr 2016

What exactly is his rationale for not voting?

Both of my sons are Millennials, and the older one has already participated in the Kansas Caucuses, and the younger one will be voting in Oregon.

So if your son wants Bernie to be President, which is what I gathered, does he not understand why he needs to vote?

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
25. We vote in the June primaries, or aka we never have a say, so we look more towards the GE ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:50 AM
Apr 2016

Last week he said he would not vote for Clinton in the GE, which was a total turn around from what he said earlier to stop the Repubs.

After months of thinking he would vote for Clinton, he was finally turned off and said he would not vote for Clinton ... we explored alternatives with him

Many of his friends had already reached that conclusion, so the choice is, not vote, vote for Stein or write in Sanders.

Clinton is not an option.



 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
29. Okay, so Clinton isn't an option.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 06:13 AM
Apr 2016

Is Sanders? If so, he should be voting for Sanders in his primary. I'd be saying the same if the candidates were reversed.

And I likewise live in a state that doesn't vote until June 7. And in all honesty, regardless of which candidate you prefer, I'm pretty certain this won't be over until the final primaries, so VOTE!

If he chooses not to vote in his primary, he may well help assure that Clinton (the candidate he does not like) wins. He doesn't want that. He needs to vote.

And trust me, I'd be saying this if he were a Clinton supporter, and despairing over her potential to win. Giving up in the primary season is Not A Good Thing.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
10. Think he will, but surprised to hear him say emphatically last week that he will not vote ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:26 AM
Apr 2016

if Clinton is the nominee, he has a decent grasp on what might happen if he does, last month he would have voted for Clinton without question.

We need to remember that the next generation is looking towards a more distant future, and as we once were, feeling a little invulnerable

But we also cannot diminish the large voting block that they represent.








uppityperson

(116,020 posts)
36. The president is only 1 race on the ballot though most publicized. And you don't have to vote for
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:14 PM
Apr 2016

everything. If you can't bring yourself to vote in 1 race, there's lots more things that deserve attention.

And it's not like a test where you have to fill every answer. Find something local, whether position or item. But to not vote for anything because of one race is awful.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
26. We relegate the next generation at our own peril ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:17 AM
Apr 2016

my daughter has been paying our tech bill for over a year as we pay med expenses. She is a relatively new doc and we were able to pay for college at the time.

So happy to see the younger and older generations coming together for a common cause!

We're all in this world together, on some level, and the sooner we realize this the better. It astounds me that some think our nation can survive without a strong middle class. We can either do this somewhat gently or not gently, although Sanders has dubbed this a political revolution, that is much more tame than we might see in coming years as we fight for natural resources.






beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
27. A lot of us who live in blue and red states feel like our votes don't count.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:20 AM
Apr 2016

It's frustrating and I completely understand why kids are fed up too.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
28. The younger generationr are not as constrained by labels ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 05:30 AM
Apr 2016

they are more focused on issues and not as inclinined to pandering politicians.

Should be interesting!



Response to slipslidingaway (Original post)

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
15. Seriously! The middle class has been losing ground for decades, that is what I wil tell him ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:55 AM
Apr 2016

but I do not even have to tell him, he has seen this with his own eyes as we use our retirement saving to try and pay off medical bills, he has seen this for the last seven years. That being said we are VERY, extremely! fortunate to have been able to save something, there are many people we have met along the way who had no safety not and have died because their insurance would not cover a certain procedure or facility.

There are systemic inequities, whether they be along economic, racial, gender or age, we need to strive for a better balance. Thinking along party and a "d vs an r label' is a fools errand.










 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
20. I think the point is, that doesn't drive millenials.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:24 AM
Apr 2016

They don't have to vote for the lesser evil. Face it, all this vote lesser evil has only gotten us the most corporately corrupt presidents - each worse than the last.

It's not working. And, we still got two Republicans houses by voting for the lesser evil.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
6. Silly! Hillary didn't run then.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:01 AM
Apr 2016

So nobody had to choose between an honest person like Bernie and a lying corrupt corporate stooge like Hillary in the Democratic primary then.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
9. All they had to do was choose between ultrapure Nader and two candidates he said didn't have...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:24 AM
Apr 2016

....a dime's worth of difference between them.

How did that work out for us? You think Al Gore would have refusd to read his Presidential Daily Briefings? You think Gore would have taken us into a bogus war, or tied us ever more closely to non-renewable energy sources?

I understand Millenials are too young to remember how we got here, so it really would be doing them a good deed if those of us who do remember it clearly gave them a big economy-size clue about the genuine differences between the Democratic Party platform and the GOP platform, among other things.

 

seattleite

(79 posts)
35. Fracking queen Hillary will certainly take us into more bogus military conflict.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:03 PM
Apr 2016

You need to stop patronizing millennials. Period.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
16. No way, do you think people are robots without looking at the facts ....
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:04 AM
Apr 2016

gosh you are not even allowing for a modicum of critical thinking here, no way in hell I would take your suggestion.




Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
14. Tell him to consider the (awful) alternatives
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:54 AM
Apr 2016

Any Democrat is better than what they are offering. And point out what happened in 2000 when the vote was close enough that it was possible to steal an election.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
21. I give the millennials kudos for recognizing the truth and what the alteratives have brought ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:48 AM
Apr 2016

us over the last several decades, the middle class, a force that once lifted our nation, and that has been shrinking.

The major parties play games, they keep us well tendered to a label, of course that is easy, we see that time and again.

So no, but I will point how the 'little people' continue to relegated to some minor players. We are tired of being a pawn in their game, that goes for young, old, people of any color or sexual orientation.

If I misconstrued your post then I am sorry, but to me a label does not define a person nor their actions.

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
38. My point was the fact they have managed to steal elections
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:00 PM
Apr 2016

Makes it even more important that everyone gets out and votes! There is power in numbers, though I tend to agree with you.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
34. the stealing was what made it close
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:01 PM
Apr 2016

there's only one candidate running in '16 who relies on voter caging anymore

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
40. That and the fact that there were people in power who managed to disenfranchise so many who voted
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:04 PM
Apr 2016

That's another reason we need to get out and vote in numbers like never before!

Rhiannon12866

(255,525 posts)
42. I agree that this was absolutely unconscionable
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:16 PM
Apr 2016

Another reason why the ability to nominate Supreme Court justices is so incredibly essential!

OZi

(155 posts)
17. I see that voting for down ballot Dems has been covered: Check.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:17 AM
Apr 2016

I see that the Nader spoiler myth has been brought up without mentioning things like how many Dems voted for Bush instead of Gore or even how many Dems didn't even bother to vote in that election: Check.

My advice is make sure he at least votes. Write-in, leave blank, anything as long as he makes the effort to make it to the polls.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
22. Thx and I agree that leaving a mark is better than staying home, it was just so revealing when ...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:06 AM
Apr 2016

he went from never elect a Repub to I cannot vote for her, even though several friends had already made up their minds.

Interesting times for sure!

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
19. Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:19 AM
Apr 2016
Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost. John Quincy Adams

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
24. I will pass this along, you always have the best quotes ....
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:18 AM
Apr 2016

Thx

Core beliefs can not easily be shaken.

carburyme

(147 posts)
30. Write in candidates?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 06:30 AM
Apr 2016

This OP title alone does not belong here at DU. Asking for fucking advice who to write in? You and your son need take showers because you've been brainwashed so bad.

My son is a millennial too, voted for Sanders in primary but has the smarts to see through the evils of GOP and knows well that Clinton is better choice should Sander doesn't get the nomination. You all are losing your way and better wake up.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
31. If Clinton wants us to unite, why are her supporters making up crap about Bernie
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:00 AM
Apr 2016

and his invitation to Rome and guns? Yesterday the news was Bill Clinton pointing his finger at BLM.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
32. That's unfortunate. I would be really disappointed if anyone in my family
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:23 AM
Apr 2016

decided to help Trump become president. Hopefully it's just a phase, and he'll come to his senses before November.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
33. voting for a write in canidate is pretty useless
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:40 AM
Apr 2016

The odds of anybody actually reading that vote to see who he voted for is far far less than 1%.

Also, write in canidates must register in most races.

If John smith won, what happens if a state has 6 john smiths.

Usually the only place where write in canidates dont have to regisrer are very small local races where everyone knows each other.

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